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Today we learned that suspected explosive devices were also sent to Joe Biden and Robert De Niro.

It’s quite obvious that these crude pipe bombs were sent to the very targets Donald Trump has been viciously smearing and attacking for years, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Maxine Waters and CNN.

So naturally, the Trump-thing came out strongly today with one of his trademark barely coherent, weirdly capitalized tweets — taking the side of the bomber. Yes, really.

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bratwurst  Oct 25, 2018 • 11:46:23am

I have a hard time with CNN’s incredulity over this. The guy has never accepted responsibility for anything negative in his entire life ever. Did they REALLY think he was going to begin with confessing that he played a major role in poisoning political discourse?

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 25, 2018 • 11:47:28am
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Scottish Dragon  Oct 25, 2018 • 11:48:11am

The civility police were out in force on Morning Joe today.

I’m not interested in civility anymore.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 25, 2018 • 11:49:10am

Also, Avenatti really needs to STFU for awhile. His 15 minutes are up.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 11:50:24am

From this WaPo article on Megyn Kelly posted in the last thread. A revelation as to what NBC News head Andy Lack was thinking when he hired her. Ugh!

Lack is an idiot. A highly paid idiot.

…cut…

Before coming to NBC, Kelly had garnered glowing coverage — including a Vanity Fair cover — for her question in an early debate to then-candidate Donald Trump about his demeaning comments about women. After Trump’s election, NBC hired several conservative personalities seemingly to better connect with the conservative electorate that ushered Trump into office.

Lack reportedly offered Kelly a three-year, $69 million contract for an undefined role. “We are lucky to have her,” Lack said the day she was hired. Though other executives were involved in wooing Kelly to NBC News, Lack was the person most associated with her arrival at the network.

“I think she became, in NBC’s eyes, a ‘voice of moderation’ because of the question she posed to Trump in a 2015 debate about the debasing rhetoric he’s used in talking about women,” Bill Grueskin, professor at Columbia Journalism School, said in an email. “That was a good question, but it didn’t, and doesn’t, absolve her of the insensitive, bordering on idiotic, things she’s said about racial issues.”

…cut…

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gocart mozart  Oct 25, 2018 • 11:51:28am
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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 11:53:23am

re: #4 Scottish Dragon

Also, Avenatti really needs to STFU for awhile. His 15 minutes are up.

He really has gotten the big head. I heard him say he is considering a run for President because there are no Democratic politicians currently able to take on Trump. I guess he figures American needs another arrogant asshole to take on the current one in office.

Wrong. He may be on the left, but he would still present big problems.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 25, 2018 • 11:55:39am

If Donnie was potus on 9/11, he would have blamed the Twin Towers for being too tall.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2018 • 11:56:06am
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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2018 • 11:56:25am

re: #7 ObserverArt

He really has gotten the big head. I heard him say he is considering a run for President because there are no Democratic politicians currently able to take on Trump. I guess he figures American needs another arrogant asshole to take on the current one in office.

Wrong. He may be on the left, but he would still present big problems.

His remark that the next Dem presidential nominee ‘had better be a white male’ really bothers me.

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Jay C  Oct 25, 2018 • 11:56:35am

re: #8 Dr. Matt

If Donnie was potus on 9/11, he would have blamed the Twin Towers for being too tall.

Or the vibrations from all those dancing Muslims in New Jersey….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 11:58:58am

re: #7 ObserverArt

He really has gotten the big head. I heard him say he is considering a run for President because there are no Democratic politicians currently able to take on Trump. I guess he figures American needs another arrogant asshole to take on the current one in office.

Wrong. He may be on the left, but he would still present big problems.

I’m not even remotely convinced we need an asshole on the Left to defeat Trump. And even if we did, would it be worth it?

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Dr. Matt  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:01:51pm

Not sure why anyone is surprised that NBC hired the devout racist Megyn Kelly. This is the same parent company that has employed Donnie, Savage-Weiner, Hugh Hewitt, Coulter, Cenk Uygur, Ed Schultz, Pat Buchanan, Tucker Carlson, etc…..and fired Phil Donahue for opposing war.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:02:00pm

re: #10 makeitstop

His remark that the next Dem presidential nominee ‘had better be a white male’ really bothers me.

I hadn’t heard that one. Yikes. He has issues. I bet with all the Megyn Kelly stuff on NBC, Avenatti might have a hard time making it back on any MSNBC shows like Ari Melber or Lawrence. I already get the feeling Rachel is not a fan.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:03:04pm
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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:05:03pm

re: #14 ObserverArt

I hadn’t heard that one. Yikes. He has issues. I bet with all the Megyn Kelly stuff on NBC, Avenatti might have a hard time making it back on any MSNBC shows like Ari Melber or Lawrence. I already get the feeling Rachel is not a fan.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:06:12pm

Kelly was cutting into the bottom line and I’ll bet never had the ratings to carry a mainstream show. It’s about the dollars.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:06:19pm

re: #2 Scottish Dragon

It’s not a cold civil war when someone is sending bombs that could have killed their intended targets had there been less luck involved.

It’s a domestic terrorist carrying out a political agenda - assassinating Trump’s political rivals.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:07:05pm

thetakeout.com

For those who object to pineapple on pizza, an alternative product: clam flavour candy canes.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:08:04pm

re: #13 Dr. Matt

Not sure why anyone is surprised that NBC hired the devout racist Megyn Kelly. This is the same parent company that has employed Donnie, Savage-Weiner, Hugh Hewitt, Coulter, Cenk Uygur, Ed Schultz, Pat Buchanan, Tucker Carlson, etc…..and fired Phil Donahue for opposing war.

I bet Andy Lack is surprised now. Obviously what you commented is true. It shows what we many feared, that news is not about facts as much as entertainment meant to draw viewers any way they can.

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:08:40pm

He’s running, for sure.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:09:33pm

re: #10 makeitstop

His remark that the next Dem presidential nominee ‘had better be a white male’ really bothers me.

I understand the point he’s making. It’s not that only white males should be President, but rather that the American electorate won’t take anyone else seriously.

But I think he’s really missing the boat, because he’s thinking of the electorate wrong. You will never get Trump’s supporters to abandon him. I do not believe there is ANYTHING he can do to lose them, which makes it even more certain that there’s nothing we can do to win them. That leaves the everybody else. Since you don’t have to worry about not appealing to racists and misogynists - they already love Trump - a woman and/or Person of Color can be pretty much the Anti-Trump. Hell, they might not even have to be that exciting, because, I don’t know about you, but I’m sick to death of the constant drama.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:09:46pm

On our second date I sat drunk on a pile of dirty clothes and watched my beloved eat spinach straight out of a can. (On our first date she peed in her pants “accidentally”).

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:09:52pm

re: #19 Anymouse ??

thetakeout.com

For those who object to pineapple on pizza, an alternative product: clam flavour candy canes.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:10:36pm

re: #17 Amory Blaine

Kelly was cutting into the bottom line and I’ll bet never had the ratings to carry a mainstream show. It’s about the dollars.

If you have the chance, read the WaPo article I linked in #5 above. You would be correct and the article adds to the issues. She was not liked by anyone it seems.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:10:36pm

re: #19 Anymouse ??

thetakeout.com

For those who object to pineapple on pizza, an alternative product: clam flavour candy canes.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:10:49pm

Ten tweets:

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:12:52pm
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sagehen  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:15:06pm

re: #5 ObserverArt

From this WaPo article on Megyn Kelly posted in the last thread. A revelation as to what NBC News head Andy Lack was thinking when he hired her. Ugh!

Lack is an idiot. A highly paid idiot.

Reminder: Andy Lack is the one who wanted desperately to can Maddow, O’Donnell and Chris Hayes, but was stymied by their huge ratings.

From last year:

NBC’s Andy Lack Should Resign Immediately (Updated)

You may remember Lack as the man in charge when Melissa Harris-Perry’s show was abruptly canceled after she criticized both MSNBC’s treatment of her show and of her as a Black woman at the network. Or you may remember him as the man in charge of the network that killed Ronan Farrow’s explosive story about Harvey Weinstein’s alleged history of raping, abusing, and sexually harassing untold numbers of women (later published by the New Yorker). You may remember Lack as the guy who downplays The Last Word With Lawrence O’Donnell, even though it draws the second-largest audience at MSNBC after Rachel Maddow.

and

With Trump In The White House, MSNBC Is Resisting The Resistance
For a TV executive, Andy Lack has an unusual problem: sky-high ratings.

Lack has targeted the network’s progressive programming since arriving at the network in spring 2015. He started with the daytime shows: Shows from Alex Wagner, Joy Reid and Ronan Farrow, as well as “The Cycle,” were canceled and replaced by straight news. (At the end of 2015, my own contract with MSNBC, which ran for three years, was not renewed; I had no interaction with Lack.) Lack brought in Chuck Todd to host a 5 p.m. show. He canceled Al Sharpton’s 6 p.m. show, and ran one from Bloomberg’s Mark Halperin and John Heilemann in its place.

The Halperin-Heilemann program, which has since been canceled, was a hard-to-watch ratings disaster. Lack moved Van Susteren, formerly of Fox News, into the slot. That show has also been a ratings wreck. Across the board, shows that Lack has put his stamp on and moved to the center or to the right have not performed as well as the ones he has left alone, despite MSNBC’s ability to get the media-industry press to write flattering stories about the network’s “dayside turnaround.”

“Every hour that Andy has not touched are the strongest hours on the network. Everything he has touched is lower rated,” said one well-placed insider.

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Alephnaught  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:15:45pm

Music sanity check.

Just found out there’s a late 80s indie band called Fat Tulips who did a tune called “Where’s Clare Grogan Now?”.

Fat Tulips - Where’s Clare Grogan Now?

In today’s music, here’s a Swedish band called ViVii…

Iframe

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:15:46pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ?
@Green_Footballs
Amazing. This statement shows how utterly steeped in racism the culture that produced Steve King really is. It’s like oxygen, the natural order of things. They aren’t even aware of it.

Oh, they are aware of it. They are just trying to be coy and gather momentum by not being overt about what they are up to.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:15:49pm

I saw a headline today “Trump can’t unite America because he hates half of America”, or words to that effect.

I realized that this is really the problem. Obama was called ‘polarizing’ because half of America hated HIM, not for any policies, but just for being President.

Trump? He really only wants to be President of the slightly less than half of America that loves him, and anyone who doesn’t love him, he hates. The only way he sees unity is where everyone unites around him. He doesn’t think HE should reach out. After all, he’s President, so everyone should love him.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:17:25pm

re: #3 Scottish Dragon

The civility police were out in force on Morning Joe today.

I’m not interested in civility anymore.

Mika got on my last nerve with her civility crap and both sides do it nonsense. I’m going to take a break from watching Morning Joe because this country is going through too much right now and I don’t want to hear any blame shifting from people on the left.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:17:44pm

So, lying doesn’t make you “a liar” if it’s part of an intentional strategy to deceive … or something.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:18:18pm

re: #29 sagehen

Reminder: Andy Lack is the one who wanted desperately to can Maddow, O’Donnell and Chris Hayes, but was stymied by their huge ratings.

From last year:

NBC’s Andy Lack Should Resign Immediately (Updated)

and

With Trump In The White House, MSNBC Is Resisting The Resistance
For a TV executive, Andy Lack has an unusual problem: sky-high ratings.

I said it earlier…I bet Lack is being looked at by the even bigger people at NBC. I hope they realize he is a liability and boot him.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:20:50pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

So, lying doesn’t make you “a liar” if it’s part of an intentional strategy to deceive … or something.

We need to get rid of all the Trump flotsam like Anthony Scaramucci. He needs to not be heard from again.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:20:55pm

re: #33 Patricia Kayden

Mika got on my last nerve with her civility crap and both sides do it nonsense. I’m going to take a break from watching Morning Joe because this country is going through too much right now and I don’t want to hear any blame shifting from people on the left.

Today was the first morning I have watched the news in nearly 4 weeks. I put on MSNBC and it was just as bad as I remembered. I will continue my morning routine with music or SportsCenter.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:21:02pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:22:57pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

Why is the Mooch still a thing? It’s odd how much traction Conservatives get even when they fail. I don’t see the same on the Left.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:23:51pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:26:26pm

“Mainstream media needs to clean up its act.”

This is not so subtle code for: “Start doing more positive stories about me or this shit’s gonna continue.”

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Skip Intro  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:26:26pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

So, lying doesn’t make you “a liar” if it’s part of an intentional strategy to deceive … or something.

[Embedded content]

So how many Scaramuccis passed between his statements?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:27:32pm
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dangerman  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:28:18pm

re: #31 ObserverArt

Oh, they are aware of it. They are just trying to be coy and gather momentum by not being overt about what they are up to.

a+

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Alephnaught  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:28:34pm

Villagers - Courage (Official Video)

This was the first song on the encore at the Villagers concert at the Glasgow Garage just one week ago,

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:29:52pm

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw a headline today “Trump can’t unite America because he hates half of America”, or words to that effect.

I realized that this is really the problem. Obama was called ‘polarizing’ because half of America hated HIM, not for any policies, but just for being President.

Trump? He really only wants to be President of the slightly less than half of America that loves him, and anyone who doesn’t love him, he hates. The only way he sees unity is where everyone unites around him. He doesn’t think HE should reach out. After all, he’s President, so everyone should love him.

a small fix to para 2

as to para 3, trump wouldnt care if no one loved him as long as he got to keep being president. his problem is he needs votes.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:30:56pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

So, lying doesn’t make you “a liar” if it’s part of an intentional strategy to deceive … or something.

[Embedded content]

anthony, shoo. nobody’s listening to your idiocy

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:32:03pm

re: #46 dangerman

a small fix to para 2

as to para 3, trump wouldnt care if no one loved him as long as he got to keep being president. his problem is he needs votes.

I disagree. I think the man desperately needs to be loved. That’s why he does the rallies, and largely only visits places where he’s loved. Sure, he loves a fight, but even more than that he loves the adulation. It’s not the power of the presidency he loves. It’s the constant attention.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:34:22pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:35:08pm

“Michael Avenatti tells Time Magazine’s @mollyesque that the Democratic nominee for President in 2020 should be a white male.”

And Avenatti is a white male. What are the odds?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:35:27pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

So, lying doesn’t make you “a liar” if it’s part of an intentional strategy to deceive … or something.

[Embedded content]

Yeah, I think the thing is that Trump simply says what he wants to be true, and what he thinks will work in the moment, and yes, part of that is to ‘trigger the Libs’, because that works with the people whose love he needs. He doesn’t know or care what’s true. He’s a guy who’s gotten away for 7 decades with saying whatever he wants and never suffering serious consequences for it. That’s why I would give an arm to have that fucker under oath with Mueller, because he can’t tell the truth, and he’d perjure himself over and over.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:35:29pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

This actually makes sense in the twisted squirrel-on-LSD logic of Trumpism, where being intentionally shitty and mendacious to “own the libs” is viewed as a valid tactic and their leader can never own up to being wrong. For them it’s better to be truly awful than admit ignorance.

trumps problem doesnt stem from ignorance

it’s from
- spouting known untruths with reckless disregard(what was called lying until a few hours ago)
- and spouting nonsense because hes’ to lazy to seek the truth first
that’s not ‘ignorance’. it’s playing fast and loose knowing full well what he’s doing

he is not inquisitive
he does not care what is ‘true’
he only cares about what he ‘says’

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:35:54pm

Megyn Kelly continues to get the kid glove treatment from other village members. Now it’s Fox’s fault she said all those blatantly racist things.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:36:47pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

“Mainstream media needs to clean up its act.”

This is not so subtle code for: “Start doing more positive stories about me or this shit’s gonna continue.”

sorry, first amendment don’t say that

still, i’ll play: fox, hannity, rush, and alex jones first. lead by example

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:37:05pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

“SEE WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!”

Or 11th dimension chess

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:38:40pm
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Alephnaught  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:39:06pm

More Connor O’Brien from Villagers. Here is he backing the very brilliant John Grant on a live version of Grant’s excellent tune “Glacier”. (NSFW: There’s some John Grant swearing in the second verse.)

John Grant & Conor O’Brien - Glacier

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:43:13pm

re: #50 BlueSpotinAL

“Michael Avenatti tells Time Magazine’s @mollyesque that the Democratic nominee for President in 2020 should be a white male.”

And Avenatti is a white male. What are the odds?

The odds that he’s a misogynistic bigot too? That’s approaching 100%.

An entitled white guy who thinks that he deserves to be heard because he’s white and a guy.

And that someone who isn’t white and a guy is somehow less capable of getting their agenda/point across.

You know things are bad when Darth Vader facepalms
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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:43:48pm

womp womp

Sorry, you’ll have to pay me to attend. Couple grand ought to do it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:44:31pm

re: #59 makeitstop

womp womp

[Embedded content]

Sorry, you’ll have to pay me to attend. Couple grand ought to do it.

That’ll be a hell of a fundraiser, what with the tickets being free and all.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:45:21pm

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

Isn’t he saying that because of White privilege, Whites carry more weight when they make identical arguments as people of color? That’s actually true so I don’t have a problem with him saying that.

P.S. He shouldn’t run for President though. He needs to stay in his lane as a lawyer and outspoken Trump critic.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:46:34pm

re: #52 dangerman

trumps problem doesnt stem from ignorance

it’s from
- spouting known untruths with reckless disregard(what was called lying until a few hours ago)
- and spouting nonsense because hes’ to lazy to seek the truth first
that’s not ‘ignorance’. it’s playing fast and loose knowing full well what he’s doing

he is not inquisitive
he does not care what is ‘true’
he only cares about what he ‘says’

Trump’s problems start with his abject refusal to accept facts or logic and to substitute his own addled worldview and conspiracy mongering word salad instead.

He’s a liar and has always been one.

He’s a con artist and has always excelled at picking his marks. Currently, that means the GOP base, especially angry white guys who aren’t millionaires. His marks think that GOP policies favor them, when they really screw them in the long term (they ignore the basic math/logic). They think denying minorities their rights somehow improves their lot, all while the GOP seeks to gut the safety net, shift the burdens from millionaires to everyone else, and leave everyone but those with capacity to pay with the bill.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:49:53pm

re: #59 makeitstop

womp womp

[Embedded content]

Sorry, you’ll have to pay me to attend. Couple grand ought to do it.

LOL. Bannon is having a really hard time grifting. He’s just too odious. Poor thing.

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VegasGolfer  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:50:25pm

re: #61 Patricia Kayden

Isn’t he saying that because of White privilege, Whites carry more weight when they make identical arguments as people of color? That’s actually true so I don’t have a problem with him saying that.

P.S. He shouldn’t run for President though. He needs to stay in his lane as a lawyer and outspoken Trump critic.

This is a calm well spoken reply. Thank you.
But people will continue to react in faux outrage (my opinion of course).

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:51:25pm

re: #59 makeitstop

My mother’s in that part of Tampa this week; I told her to look out for a sleazy-looking guy wearing three shirts

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:52:00pm

re: #64 VegasGolfer

This is a calm well spoken reply. Thank you.
But people will continue to react in faux outrage (my opinion of course).

In the abstract, he’s right, of course.

But it bothers me because it just seems like a pretty blockheaded thing to say.

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gwangung  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:54:55pm

re: #61 Patricia Kayden

Isn’t he saying that because of White privilege, Whites carry more weight when they make identical arguments as people of color? That’s actually true so I don’t have a problem with him saying that.

That’s conventional wisdom, and if you go by that, he’s not wrong.

But he’s not right, either, in that this wisdom is stronger in older voters, but not younger voters. Of course, given the low voting rates for younger voters, you can win an election using this “wisdom”….but there’s a window for that….and it’s closing rapidly.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:54:58pm

re: #61 Patricia Kayden

Isn’t he saying that because of White privilege, Whites carry more weight when they make identical arguments as people of color? That’s actually true so I don’t have a problem with him saying that.

P.S. He shouldn’t run for President though. He needs to stay in his lane as a lawyer and outspoken Trump critic.

No, he’s going way beyond that and saying that it’s literally the reason that we need a white guy as the next Democratic nominee. He’s summarily dismissing the entire roster of minority and women contenders simply because they don’t look like him. There’s no salvaging that point of view, no matter how much it’s wrapped in acknowledging systemic racism & sexism as real forces in society.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:57:00pm

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

Ok. Got it.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:57:25pm
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:58:13pm

re: #67 gwangung

Oddly, he’s ignoring the fact that someone with the name Barack Hussein Obama won two terms not too long ago.

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gwangung  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:59:17pm

re: #71 Patricia Kayden

Oddly, he’s ignoring the fact that someone with the name Barack Hussein Obama won two terms not too long ago.

Yup. Kinda odd, that….

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ckkatz  Oct 25, 2018 • 12:59:29pm

re: #62 lawhawk

Trump’s problems start with his abject refusal to accept facts or logic and to substitute his own addled worldview and conspiracy mongering word salad instead.

He’s a liar and has always been one.

He’s a con artist and has always excelled at picking his marks. Currently, that means the GOP base, especially angry white guys who aren’t millionaires. His marks think that GOP policies favor them, when they really screw them in the long term (they ignore the basic math/logic). They think denying minorities their rights somehow improves their lot, all while the GOP seeks to gut the safety net, shift the burdens from millionaires to everyone else, and leave everyone but those with capacity to pay with the bill.

Lawhawk - Good to see you back!

I think that Harry Frankfurt coined the phrase “Bullshit” for people like Trump.

“Frankfurt determines that bullshit is speech intended to persuade without regard for truth. The liar cares about the truth and attempts to hide it; the bullshitter doesn’t care if what they say is true or false, but rather only cares whether their listener is persuaded”

en.wikipedia.org

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:00:01pm

re: #71 Patricia Kayden

Oddly, he’s ignoring the fact that someone with the name Barack Hussein Obama won two terms not too long ago.

And that Hillary won the popular vote and only lost due to suppression of minority voters and foreign election interference.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:00:13pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:01:26pm

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

No, he’s going way beyond that and saying that it’s literally the reason that we need a white guy as the next Democratic nominee. He’s summarily dismissing the entire roster of minority and women contenders simply because they don’t look like him. There’s no salvaging that point of view, no matter how much it’s wrapped in acknowledging systemic racism as real.

Yes. He signed it with his statement. He said exactly what he meant. That is Avenatti.

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:04:16pm

Daniel Dale is in Pennsylvania today. His timeline right now is pretty funny.

More random observations on his TL.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:04:31pm

re: #5 ObserverArt

From this WaPo article on Megyn Kelly posted in the last thread. A revelation as to what NBC News head Andy Lack was thinking when he hired her. Ugh!

Lack is an idiot. A highly paid idiot.

They were eyeing those Fox News ratings with $$ in their eyes. Obviously no-one thought about the fact that obviously racist punditry which doesn’t cause a ripple at Fox News would be problematic on an NBC news show.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:08:20pm

re: #10 makeitstop

His remark that the next Dem presidential nominee ‘had better be a white male’ really bothers me.

The Democratic nominee better be popular and able to to motivate the Democrat’s core constituencies, especially African-Americans to turn out. The fact that Obama got a clear majority of the votes in both of his runs shows that the nominee does not have to be white. And Clinton nearly won despite being very unpopular, so the nominee doesn’t have to be male.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:12:22pm

re: #21 makeitstop

He’s running, for sure.

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He has zero chance of being the GOP nominee in 2020; the party belongs entirely to Trump.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:13:40pm

re: #78 Big Beautiful Door

They were eyeing those Fox News ratings with $$ in their eyes. Obviously no-one thought about the fact that obviously racist punditry which doesn’t cause a ripple at Fox News would be problematic on an NBC news show.

When dubyah was still popular and Fox was destroying the other two channels, MSNBC and CNN both desperately attempted to become Foxlite by having conservative shows and regularly incorporating conservative viewpoints on all programs. They never learn.

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Skip Intro  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:15:12pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:15:51pm

LOL

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:17:29pm

re: #80 Big Beautiful Door

He has zero chance of being the GOP nominee in 2020; the party belongs entirely to Trump.

That will not deter Ohio Johnny.

He will run because he thinks he has the chops, experiences and the background to bring back all the NeverTrumpers and they will be enough to get the nomination.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:18:25pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

LOL

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Infosec is only important as a club to bash HRC, not as something to practiced.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:21:06pm

re: #80 Big Beautiful Door

He has zero chance of being the GOP nominee in 2020; the party belongs entirely to Trump.

But he can be out there throwing barbs at Donnie, “asking questions” and otherwise causing problems for him.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:21:12pm

re: #85 Blind Frog Belly White

Infosec is only important as a club to bash HRC, not as something to practiced.

It starts at the top - Trump uses an unsecured iphone, which means anyone can track his whereabouts and actions with the right tech. And China and Russia have that kind of tech.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:22:29pm

re: #33 Patricia Kayden

Mika got on my last nerve with her civility crap and both sides do it nonsense. I’m going to take a break from watching Morning Joe because this country is going through too much right now and I don’t want to hear any blame shifting from people on the left.

Maybe I watched a different show. The Mika I saw this morning was observing that Trump was laughing at us for expecting him to be a leader.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:22:53pm

re: #59 makeitstop

womp womp

Sorry, you’ll have to pay me to attend. Couple grand ought to do it.

The only fund-raiser to lose money

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TedStriker  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:23:23pm

re: #4 Scottish Dragon

Also, Avenatti really needs to STFU for awhile. His 15 minutes are up.

No shit.

When he went from fighting for his clients against Trump and his machine to parlaying that newly-minted fame into preening and posturing for a major political run, he got on my shit list.

Dude, you ain’t earned that shit yet…STFU and STFD, Michael.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:25:00pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:25:13pm

re: #89 Sir John Barron

The only fund-raiser to lose money

Fund-razer.

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EPR-radar  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:26:33pm

re: #84 ObserverArt

That will not deter Ohio Johnny.

He will run because he thinks he has the chops, experiences and the background to bring back all the NeverTrumpers and they will be enough to get the nomination.

Every single Republican except for the handful of rich plutocrats that truly run the party is delusional, one way or another. Kasich’s version of this universal reality-avoidance is the quaint belief that Republicans are somehow different from and more civilized than the infinitely reprogrammable hate-mob they have proven to be under Trump.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:28:22pm

re: #91 jaunte

US to send 800 troops to border in security theater that will do nothing to stop this group of people.

If they go to a border crossing, they have the legal right to request asylum. If they have a valid visa/passport, they can enter. If they don’t they’ll be turned away.

If they try crossing at somewhere other than a border crossing, they’d be illegally entering the US.

Same as always.

None of this required 800 troops going to the border. It’s all for show and BS claiming that there’s a crisis when none exists (and hasn’t existed in years because border crossings are down since the GWB days). Crossings are at multiyear lows even before Trump took office.

Trump’s pushing the white nationalist bandwagon for all it’s worth, since that’s what it’ll take to keep control of Congress - getting the angry white base to vote in the midterms.

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TedStriker  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:28:39pm

re: #19 Anymouse ??

thetakeout.com

For those who object to pineapple on pizza, an alternative product: clam flavour candy canes.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:28:46pm
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jaunte  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:29:54pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:30:21pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:31:14pm

re: #84 ObserverArt

That will not deter Ohio Johnny.

He will run because he thinks he has the chops, experiences and the background to bring back all the NeverTrumpers and they will be enough to get the nomination.

If Kasich runs he should be honest about his nonexistent odds should do it simply as a Democratic spoiler, to do as much damage to Trump as possible, and I don’t know how he does that within the modern atavistic GOP. Especially considering that he’s not going to get jack shit in terms of fundraising.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:32:20pm

I want to metaphorically bomb the Republican party.

I think a combination of Beto O’Rourke and Andrew Gillum with some Kamala Harris mixed in would be a good device.

I hope other Democrat candidates are watching how they are going about handling Trump and the Republicans.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:32:41pm

re: #98 gocart mozart

I see a lot of ads like that in Houston, that use the name “Nancy Pelosi” as a magical incantation without any further elaboration. Talk about demonizing a political opponent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:32:44pm

re: #94 lawhawk

in addition, that caravan is nowhere near the US border yet

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sagehen  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:32:49pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

And that Hillary won the popular vote and only lost due to suppression of minority voters and foreign election interference.

(and James Comey)

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TedStriker  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:33:20pm

re: #96 DodgerFan1988

Because, at their core, conservatives are scared, spoiled children.

Scared of everyone and everything that isn’t like them and ready to lash out when they don’t get their way.

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Interesting Times  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:34:36pm

re: #97 jaunte

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And yet the damn polls keep showing Rafael Cruz ahead >_< Any possibility the “likely voter” models they’re using might be off…?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:34:42pm

re: #94 lawhawk

US to send 800 troops to border in security theater that will do nothing to stop this group of people.

If they go to a border crossing, they have the legal right to request asylum. If they have a valid visa/passport, they can enter. If they don’t they’ll be turned away.

If they try crossing at somewhere other than a border crossing, they’d be illegally entering the US.

Same as always.

None of this required 800 troops going to the border. It’s all for show and BS claiming that there’s a crisis when none exists (and hasn’t existed in years because border crossings are down since the GWB days). Crossings are at multiyear lows even before Trump took office.

Trump’s pushing the white nationalist bandwagon for all it’s worth, since that’s what it’ll take to keep control of Congress - getting the angry white base to vote in the midterms.

WRT that, my understanding is that the law allows asylum seekers to enter a country outside of an entry port, and then turn themselves in to CBP.

In any case, 14,000 people are not going to cross the border en masse and disappear. And it’s not like 14,000 people with embedded journalists reporting constantly will be hard to follow, either.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:35:15pm

re: #105 Interesting Times

Texas is a very Republican state, and Republicans are avid voters.

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:35:41pm

re: #98 gocart mozart

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I’m ashamed to have to share a state with those bigots.

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sagehen  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:35:46pm

re: #80 Big Beautiful Door

He has zero chance of being the GOP nominee in 2020; the party belongs entirely to Trump.

If he can hamstring Trump and weaken him for the general, I’m okay with that. Go Kasich. Rah Rah.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:36:05pm

re: #97 jaunte

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Ohio’s requests for mail-in ballots and early voting is way up too. That is a good sign. I know Franklin County/Columbus seems very active as they are showing about a 35% increase over other mid-terms years.

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EPR-radar  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:37:02pm

re: #104 TedStriker

Because, at their core, conservatives are scared, spoiled children.

Scared of everyone and everything that isn’t like them and ready to lash out when they don’t get their way.

The right likes to think of the US as the land of the free and the home of the brave (as if these qualities are absent elsewhere), while shackling their minds with their propaganda and cultivating their cowardice as a virtue.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:37:03pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

in addition, that caravan is nowhere near the US border yet

I know. The Right remind me of the Henchman in “Austin Powers” who - eventually - gets run over by a steamroller.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:37:55pm

re: #105 Interesting Times

And yet the damn polls keep showing Rafael Cruz ahead >_< Any possibility the “likely voter” models they’re using might be off…?

Yes. See Virginia’s most recent gubernatorial election.

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banditqueen  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:40:33pm

re: #64 VegasGolfer

Your assessment is along the lines of the argument that ‘we can get the trump supporters to vote for us if we just give them someone who looks like them’.
—Does this mean that any white male will do—Bernie, Michael Moore, Biden, Avenatti? How will we get along without these guys? //
—Does this mean that the African-Americans and now even white women who have largely built the 2018 midterm blue wave don’t have political focus, clout, or energy? After all, Hillary did get the most votes 11/2016 and Obama won re-election twice.
—Does this mean that the racist white male who won the electoral college with the help of the Russians and voter suppression actually really won?
—Does this mean that we just have to keep co-signing the “sad but true” conventional wisdom despite the above?
Nah, I don’t think so.

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Mattand  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:41:21pm

re: #3 Scottish Dragon

The civility police were out in force on Morning Joe today.

I’m not interested in civility anymore.

My Facebook post from yesterday:

“Trump spends the better part of two years labeling Clinton and CNN as enemies of the state, and surprise surprise, they both get bombs mailed to them.

“Please take your “Both sides are equally bad” bullshit and shove it up your fucking ass.”

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:42:04pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

If Kasich runs he should be honest about his nonexistent odds should do it simply as a Democratic spoiler, to do as much damage to Trump as possible, and I don’t know how he does that within the modern atavistic GOP. Especially considering that he’s not going to get jack shit in terms of fundraising.

I agree, but do not count him out as far as a good run. And fund raising will be no problem for him. I bet he is already getting backers contacting him. He has huge connections to the Republican machine.

I have said it before, I hate him, but I have learned to never count him out politically. He is tough and resilient. Calling him out just gets him revved up.

He sure isn’t scared of Trump. In fact I bet he relishes the idea of taking him on.

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EPR-radar  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:43:10pm

re: #115 Mattand

My Facebook post from yesterday:

“Trump spends the better part of two years labeling Clinton and CNN as enemies of the state, and surprise surprise, they both get bombs mailed to them.

“Please take your “Both sides are equally bad” bullshit and shove it up your fucking ass.”

Trump’s line is actually ‘enemy of the people’, which is worse.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:43:21pm

re: #104 TedStriker

Because, at their core, conservatives are scared, spoiled children.

Scared of everyone and everything that isn’t like them and ready to lash out when they don’t get their way.

Scared they have to share their pennies with anyone.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:46:09pm

So, a funny thing happened to me on Facebook yesterday. WEEKS AGO, I had posted about Trump and Trumpkins that ‘The loudest howler monkeys have the smallest balls’, and last night, WEEKS LATER, FB informed me that they were blocking that comment because it violated their ‘Community Standards’ for hate speech.

I mean, it’s a literally true scientific finding, which I first saw on Facebook. But more than that, blocking it weeks after it was posted is stupid. Nobody is following the thread it was posted on anymore. It’s really closing the barn door after the horse escapes.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:48:12pm

re: #119 Blind Frog Belly White

So, a funny thing happened to me on Facebook yesterday. WEEKS AGO, I had posted about Trump and Trumpkins that ‘The loudest howler monkeys have the smallest balls’, and last night, WEEKS LATER, FB informed me that they were blocking that comment because it violated their ‘Community Standards’ for hate speech.

I mean, it’s a literally true scientific finding, which I first saw on Facebook. But more than that, blocking it weeks after it was posted is stupid. Nobody is following the thread it was posted on anymore. It’s really closing the barn door after the horse escapes.

It’s Facebook. Expect less and you will be pleased.

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Mattand  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:50:22pm

So here’s my theories on Megyn Kelly’s seemingly unforced error regarding blackface:

1) She wants to get out of her contract and instead of just quitting, she’s creating an out that allows her to sue NBC for more money.

2) She wants to go back to Fox, and this is her sending up a not subtle flare that she know her audience and theirs, and would be more than happy to come back, sexual harassment be damned.

3) She’s an inveterate racist who absorbed the racist teachings of her family; specifically the idea that blackface was somehow not a big deal in all the time she’s been on this planet.

4) She’s way, waaaaay fucking stupider than I gave her credit for.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:50:31pm

re: #116 ObserverArt

I agree, but do not count him out as far as a good run. And fund raising will be no problem for him. I bet he is already getting backers contacting him. He has huge connections to the Republican machine.

The problem isn’t fundraising connections, it’s that the people Kasich knows are cowards who have profited from this administration’s tax cuts. The last thing they want is to be seen as traitors by a potentially re-elected and highly vindictive Trump. The only way their sense of self interest tilts towards backing a challenger is if Trump already appears fatally wounded, and since the GOP base has been more than willing to condone multiple Trump scandals that would have destroyed any other President I don’t see the mental calculus changing. At this point even if Mueller comes back with incontrovertible proof of a conspiracy with Russia and a recommendation for impeachment I think it will only harden his support within the GOP, because literally nothing matters to them anymore except venting their white nationalist spleens.

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TedStriker  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:52:25pm

re: #121 Mattand

So here’s my theories on Megyn Kelly’s seemingly unforced error regarding blackface:

1) She wants to get out of her contract and instead of just quitting, she’s creating an out that allows her to sue NBC for more money.

2) She wants to go back to Fox, and this is her sending up a not subtle flare that she know her audience and theirs, and would be more than happy to come back, sexual harassment be damned.

3) She’s an inveterate racist who absorbed the racist teachings of her family; specifically the idea that blackface was somehow not a big deal in all the time she’s been on this planet.

4) She’s way, waaaaay fucking stupider than I gave her credit for.

5) She’s just fucking evil.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:53:16pm

re: #120 ObserverArt

It’s Facebook. Expect less and you will be pleased.

More bemused than anything else, really. But the other thing is - Facebook is where I learned of my great grandnephew’s birth. I didn’t get any calls or texts, just my niece posting that her daughter had given birth - and then the expected shitload of pictures, of course!

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Jay C  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:54:11pm

re: #123 TedStriker

re: #121 Mattand

So here’s my theories on Megyn Kelly’s seemingly unforced error regarding blackface:

1) She wants to get out of her contract and instead of just quitting, she’s creating an out that allows her to sue NBC for more money.

2) She wants to go back to Fox, and this is her sending up a not subtle flare that she know her audience and theirs, and would be more than happy to come back, sexual harassment be damned.

3) She’s an inveterate racist who absorbed the racist teachings of her family; specifically the idea that blackface was somehow not a big deal in all the time she’s been on this planet.

4) She’s way, waaaaay fucking stupider than I gave her credit for.

5) She’s just fucking evil.

6) All of the above

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:55:12pm

re: #79 Big Beautiful Door

The Democratic nominee better be popular and able to to motivate the Democrat’s core constituencies, especially African-Americans to turn out. The fact that Obama got a clear majority of the votes in both of his runs shows that the nominee does not have to be white. And Clinton nearly won despite being very unpopular, so the nominee doesn’t have to be male.

your first line is true however both obama and clinton were….before

2020 will have to do all that while facing trump and the unified orchestrated drowning out he can whip his cult fan club to produce

(and no im not saying it has to be a white male)

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gocart mozart  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:55:44pm
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dangerman  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:56:25pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

LOL

It’s hard out there for a deplorable wanting to Make America Date Again

The Trump lovers dating app called Donald Daters exposed all of the personal information ( names, photos, login tokens, private messages) of its users

this happened on day one
the day the app was launched

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2018 • 1:59:58pm

re: #127 gocart mozart

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whiskey

yep, sounds about right

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:00:16pm

re: #121 Mattand

So here’s my theories on Megyn Kelly’s seemingly unforced error regarding blackface:

1) She wants to get out of her contract and instead of just quitting, she’s creating an out that allows her to sue NBC for more money.

2) She wants to go back to Fox, and this is her sending up a not subtle flare that she know her audience and theirs, and would be more than happy to come back, sexual harassment be damned.

3) She’s an inveterate racist who absorbed the racist teachings of her family; specifically the idea that blackface was somehow not a big deal in all the time she’s been on this planet.

4) She’s way, waaaaay fucking stupider than I gave her credit for.

3 and 4 are nicely complementary, and really explain a lot. I think she also spent too much time at Fox and absorbed the Right Wing conventional wisdom that anything the Left gets upset about is really a nonissue.

I mean, there are ways to approach the ‘blackface’ issue that wouldn’t get you in trouble, like, for instance, stating that when you were growing up, blackface wasn’t a big deal, but apparently now it is, and you’d really like to know more about why that is. That’s better than saying “It’s not a big deal because it wasn’t a big deal when I was a kid”, and then having to apologize.

But the FoxNews mentality is to dismiss the concerns of nonwhite, nonmale nonChristians as “Identity Politics” out of hand.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:02:32pm

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

The problem isn’t fundraising connections, it’s that the people Kasich knows are cowards who have profited from this administration’s tax cuts. The last thing they want is to be seen as traitors by a potentially re-elected and highly vindictive Trump. The only way their sense of self interest tilts towards backing a challenger is if Trump already appears fatally wounded, and since the GOP base has been more than willing to condone multiple Trump scandals that would have destroyed any other President I don’t see the mental calculus changing. At this point even if Mueller comes back with incontrovertible proof of a conspiracy with Russia and a recommendation for impeachment I think it will only harden his support within the GOP, because literally nothing matters to them anymore except venting their white nationalist spleens.

I think you have a good take. No argument from me. But I will stay say do not count Kasich out.

I am not aware of all the big money players, but there is one biggie right here in his hometown area…metro Columbus.

I don’t know if you caught it, but it was reported a few weeks back and posted here that Les Wexner left the Republican party and went Independent. Les has backed Kasich before.

He gave him over a million in his last run. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if Les can use his considerable clout to bring in others that wouldn’t be concerned about any Trump fallout. I think some of the people, maybe even the Kochs know the problems Trump gives them.

What happens if they shake their money fists at all the Republicans and threaten all of them if they don’t help run Trump out? Even if they don’t do that, they can probably use all their underground connections to fund a Kasich run and still look like they aren’t.

Hmmm. I wonder if Les knows Sheldon???

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:03:35pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

whiskey

yep, sounds about right

what a great idea
i think i will

bbl

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:05:02pm

re: #127 gocart mozart

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From the year I was born:

nonword noun
non*word | \?n?n-?w?rd \
Definition of nonword
: a word that has no meaning, is not known to exist, or is disapproved

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:05:21pm

re: #130 Blind Frog Belly White

3 and 4 are nicely complementary, and really explain a lot. I think she also spent too much time at Fox and absorbed the Right Wing conventional wisdom that anything the Left gets upset about is really a nonissue.

I mean, there are ways to approach the ‘blackface’ issue that wouldn’t get you in trouble, like, for instance, stating that when you were growing up, blackface wasn’t a big deal, but apparently now it is, and you’d really like to know more about why that is. That’s better than saying “It’s not a big deal because it wasn’t a big deal when I was a kid”, and then having to apologize.

But the FoxNews mentality is to dismiss the concerns of nonwhite, nonmale nonChristians as “Identity Politics” out of hand.

She keeps repeating in her latest media statements that she has never been PC.

So…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:08:08pm

re: #134 ObserverArt

She keeps repeating in her latest media statements that she has never been PC.

So…

Exactly. The idea that it’s a bad thing to simply not be an asshole, and be sensitive to what others find offensive and why - that I don’t get.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:08:17pm
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TedStriker  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:10:21pm

re: #66 makeitstop

In the abstract, he’s right, of course.

But it bothers me because it just seems like a pretty blockheaded thing to say.

He may have been technically correct as a matter of social commentary, but the optics completely suck.

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KingKenrod  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:12:43pm

re: #97 jaunte

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I was hoping to see white flight suburbs in Collin and Fort Bend lagging, but it looks like they are keeping pace a little ahead of the larger blue counties.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:13:20pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Megyn Kelly continues to get the kid glove treatment from other village members. Now it’s Fox’s fault she said all those blatantly racist things.

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Mattand  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:13:47pm

re: #134 ObserverArt

She keeps repeating in her latest media statements that she has never been PC.

So…

I pointed that out in the comment I left in the Politico article about this story. That is such a huge effing tell when a bigot really, really wants to say something ignorant and somehow try to not suffer blowback for it.

It’s their magic Freeze Peach Get Out of Jail Free card. I’m so fucking sick of people trying to use political incorrectness to mask what shitty bigots they really are. Just own it; I’ll still think you’re a garbage person, but at least you’ll be honest about where you’re coming from.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:15:37pm

re: #135 Blind Frog Belly White

Exactly. The idea that it’s a bad thing to simply not be an asshole, and be sensitive to what others find offensive and why - that I don’t get.

Isn’t that the epitome of the word ‘privilege’, to be able to just ignore everyone else?

She has that down, the thought never crossed her mind until her earnings were threatened. Then it was time to roll out an apology that wasn’t an apology.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:17:51pm

re: #141 ObserverArt

Isn’t that the epitome of the word ‘privilege’, to be able to just ignore everyone else?

She has that down, the thought never crossed her mind until her earnings were threatened. Then it was time to roll out an apology that wasn’t an apology.

And the nature of privilege is that it’s invisible to the privileged, and assumed to be The Natural Order Of Things.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:19:06pm

re: #127 gocart mozart

I got:
Black Power
Doppler radar
Hallucinogen
New York minute
Never mind
Trickle-down theory

among others.

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gocart mozart  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:22:41pm

re: #143 jaunte

You got black power, I got Black Panther

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Jay C  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:23:58pm

re: #139 Anymouse ??

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Heh. I think the Washington Examiner meant to say NBC was hiring a “…pretty, compliant face…”: but with Megyn Kelly, “complaint face” fits just as well.

Also, the WashEx is a RW rag: their take is hugely unlikely to be unbiased.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:25:26pm

re: #131 ObserverArt

I think you have a good take. No argument from me. But I will stay say do not count Kasich out.

I am not aware of all the big money players, but there is one biggie right here in his hometown area…metro Columbus.

I don’t know if you caught it, but it was reported a few weeks back and posted here that Les Wexner left the Republican party and went Independent. Les has backed Kasich before.

He gave him over a million in his last run. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if Les can use his considerable clout to bring in others that wouldn’t be concerned about any Trump fallout. I think some of the people, maybe even the Kochs know the problems Trump gives them.

What happens if they shake their money fists at all the Republicans and threaten all of them if they don’t help run Trump out? Even if they don’t do that, they can probably use all their underground connections to fund a Kasich run and still look like they aren’t.

Hmmm. I wonder if Les knows Sheldon???

Les Wexner may be a Bill Kristol type of Republican. He may be someone who would have leverage with Sheldon. Much of the non-theocratic donor class wants all the Trump financial benefits, wants us to be a feudal society with them in charge, but not a fan of Trump’s immigration policies or nationalism or Putin love fest or particularly against affirmative action.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:25:46pm

Many of mine were scientific terms, like ‘eukaryotic’ and ‘poly-A’.

Seems appropriate.

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plansbandc  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:26:52pm

re: #57 Alephnaught

Love John Grant!!

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:38:16pm

Jesus, Steve. Just put the Waffen uniform on and be done with it already.

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sagehen  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:38:58pm

re: #127 gocart mozart

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reality check
S corporation
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:44:26pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:46:53pm

re: #119 Blind Frog Belly White

You got reported by a Trumperoid.

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freetoken  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:47:39pm

So, Grassley wants to criminalize women who come forward with claims of attacks/abuse.

This ought to fix things.

/

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:49:04pm

re: #151 Single-handed sailor

Stone should save any and all pardons for his own dang self.

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Teddy's Person  Oct 25, 2018 • 2:56:21pm

re: #127 gocart mozart

Words in print from the year I was born:

baby boomer
bar code
disco
fetal position
sexism
zip code

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Chrysicat  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:01:55pm
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:03:34pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:06:09pm

re: #145 Jay C

Heh. I think the Washington Examiner meant to say NBC was hiring a “…pretty, compliant face…”: but with Megyn Kelly, “complaint face” fits just as well.

Also, the WashEx is a RW rag: their take is hugely unlikely to be unbiased.

Megyn Kelly has resting racist face.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:06:43pm

re: #82 Skip Intro

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And she’ll tell you all about how Jesus and Santa are White men. No, really. Not even joking.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:07:13pm

re: #127 gocart mozart

Words in my year:

break through
buzzword
clinical trial
crawl space
ground zero
over-the-hill
poster boy
wall-to-wall

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:09:33pm

re: #104 TedStriker

Because, at their core, conservatives are scared, spoiled children.

Scared of everyone and everything that isn’t like them and ready to lash out when they don’t get their way.

Hateful, scared, spoiled children.

Hateful is job #1.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:10:29pm

re: #149 makeitstop

Jesus, Steve. Just put the Waffen uniform on and be done with it already.

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Every time I see a comment like this, I just have to put up this Photoshop.

I’m not trying to ‘cause a big s-s-sensation…
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:11:17pm

JFC

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:12:10pm

Real Americans know that turn and around are two different words.

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plansbandc  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:12:43pm

re: #157 Patricia Kayden

That was a fertile blocking ground. Thank you!

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Anymouse ??  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:14:42pm

re: #94 lawhawk

US to send 800 troops to border in security theater that will do nothing to stop this group of people.

If they go to a border crossing, they have the legal right to request asylum. If they have a valid visa/passport, they can enter. If they don’t they’ll be turned away.

If they try crossing at somewhere other than a border crossing, they’d be illegally entering the US.

Same as always.

None of this required 800 troops going to the border. It’s all for show and BS claiming that there’s a crisis when none exists (and hasn’t existed in years because border crossings are down since the GWB days). Crossings are at multiyear lows even before Trump took office.

Trump’s pushing the white nationalist bandwagon for all it’s worth, since that’s what it’ll take to keep control of Congress - getting the angry white base to vote in the midterms.

A person may present themselves for asylum anywhere along the border. It is not illegal. A person may present themselves for asylum while in the USA proper, or on sovereign soil (such as an embassy or legation, a US Navy vessel, &c). There is no requirement to present yourself at a customs house.

Crossing the border for the purpose of evading a customs house for declaration of goods is a felony (smuggling). Otherwise, it is a civil offence punishable by a fine and removal absent a credible claim for asylum (unless you’re a citizen, removal doesn’t apply).

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fern01  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:19:36pm

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

I disagree. I think the man desperately needs to be loved. That’s why he does the rallies, and largely only visits places where he’s loved. Sure, he loves a fight, but even more than that he loves the adulation. It’s not the power of the presidency he loves. It’s the constant attention.

He only loves a fight if he has the bodyguards to fight for him. Wimp No 1

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:19:48pm

RWW News: Rick Wiles Says Democrats Can’t Wait To ‘Spill Blood In America’

(Putin loving nutcase Rick Wiles) Christian TV host: If Dems win the midterms, they’ll ‘burn down churches and kill thousands of Christians’

Along with disseminating bizarre and religiously apocalyptic conspiracy theories, Rick Wiles likes to make predictions (that so far haven’t come true). This summer, he appeared on his TruNews TV show and warned that a plot was underway to kidnap President Trump from the White House and behead him — all orchestrated by MSNBC host Rachel Maddow. Now, his latest prediction is even more dire.

On last night’s edition of his show Wiles did his part to get people motivated to vote in this November’s midterm elections, and what’s a better way to get people motivated than to freak them out about an impending second holocaust?

“This Marxist-communist Antichrist revolution that is in full bloom in the United States of America, this thing is anti-Christian,” Wiles declared in a video clip flagged by Right Wing Watch.

“They hate God,” he continued, presumably referring to Democrats. “These people are against God. These people love to abort babies. They love to promote sexual immorality. Everything that drives them is in opposition to God and his moral laws. That is the centerpiece of their agenda.”

Wiles likened a potential blue wave in the midterms to past ‘Marxist-communist’ takeovers where the next move was to “immediately kill the pastors.”

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:19:55pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:21:10pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

Donald J. Trump
?
@realDonaldTrump
To those in the Caravan, turnaround, we are not letting people into the United States illegally. Go back to your Country and if you want, apply for citizenship like millions of others are doing!

1:31 PM - Oct 25, 2018
77.9K
37.5K people are talking about this…..

Trump and his acolytes are working hard on turning us into a white nationalist Christian theocracy, where those who do not share their narrow vision of our nation will not be welcome.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:21:40pm
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Anymouse ??  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:22:19pm

I knew they would weigh in, they can’t help themselves.

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fern01  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:23:04pm

re: #61 Patricia Kayden

Isn’t he saying that because of White privilege, Whites carry more weight when they make identical arguments as people of color? That’s actually true so I don’t have a problem with him saying that.

P.S. He shouldn’t run for President though. He needs to stay in his lane as a lawyer and outspoken Trump critic.

And anyone who is against trump/republicans - is my kind of person. Dems just have to spend their time attacking the GOP where it hurts. Attacking their own is a massive waste of time and energy.

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Jay C  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:23:08pm

re: #168 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Wiles likened a potential blue wave in the midterms to past ‘Marxist-communist’ takeovers where the next move was to “immediately kill the pastors.”

Even worse, the “next move” is more likely to be to point-and-laugh at these imbecile “pastors”, and then ignore them. That’s likely the real horrorshow they fear…

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:25:58pm

re: #174 Jay C

Even worse, the “next move” is more likely to be to point-and-laugh at these imbecile “pastors”, and then ignore them. That’s likely the real horrorshow they fear…

No — their real fear is a change to the tax law that would no longer exempt their churches from taxes.

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Joe Bacon ??  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:26:49pm

re: #168 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

If only someone would sue that Pulpit Pimp…

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piratedan  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:28:51pm

re: #171 Patricia Kayden

who knew that GOP politicians would lie about damn near anything when it came to their positions in elections? Shocked, shocked I say….

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:32:30pm

“…The Gateway Pundit’s obsession with “virile” Honduran refugees harks back to centuries of racist fearmongering about brown and black sexuality “
wehuntedthemammoth.com

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Joe Bacon ??  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:33:22pm

re: #178 jaunte

“…The Gateway Pundit’s obsession with “virile” Honduran refugees harks back to centuries of racist fearmongering about brown and black sexuality “
wehuntedthemammoth.com

It’s probably one of SMOTI’s fantasies

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:35:23pm

re: #179 Joe Bacon ??

“Theyz comin’ fer our wimmen!”

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freetoken  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:36:36pm
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VegasGolfer  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:38:23pm

re: #181 freetoken

The chicken who voted for colonel sanders is complaing?
Cry me a river.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:39:55pm

re: #157 Patricia Kayden

…so it is up to us to “normalize” Trump- a man who by his first actions hired his own personal family members as government staff, who refused to release his reportedly fraudulent income tax returns, hired known racists and White Power associates in his administration, constantly demonizes anyone seen as the slightest threat to his personal glory, pardons armed racists who threatened law enforcement officials, and on and on and on on a daily basis.

Fuck you and your “Normalization” Dinesh DSouza.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:42:36pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:42:48pm

re: #183 Rocky-in-Connecticut

…so it is up to us to “normalize” Trump- a man who by his first actions hired his own personal family members as government staff, who refused to release his reportedly fraudulent income tax returns, hired known racists and White Power associates in his administration, constantly demonizes anyone seen as the slightest threat to his personal glory, pardons armed racists who threatened law enforcement officials, and on and on and on on a daily basis.

Fuck you and your “Normalization” Dinesh DSouza.

Dinesh approves of everything Trump has done: he is a white supremacist (somehow he doesn’t think that he may be targeted by those who want to make America totally white) and racist to the core.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:47:09pm

Dallas Morning News, famously Republican-leaning, enthusiastically endorses Beto O’Rourke for Senator.

dallasnews.com

They are brutal on poor Ted.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:50:16pm

re: #175 Hecuba’s daughter

No — their real fear is a change to the tax law that would no longer exempt their churches from taxes.

See also the Freedom from Religion Foundation Supreme Court case coming up challenging the parsonage exemption to the tax code as government support of religion.

There’s more than one reason the GOP wanted to carefully consider ram through an ultra-religious conservative judge.

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BigPapa  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:53:26pm

re: #186 Anymouse ??

Dallas Morning News, famously Republican-leaning, enthusiastically endorses Beto O’Rourke for Senator.

dallasnews.com

They are brutal on poor Ted.

AM Radio yakker going on about Beto losing by double digits. I think it will be a lot closer than that. Not sure Beto will win.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:53:54pm

re: #127 gocart mozart

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:56:18pm

In which Newt Gingrich speaks the silent part out loud.

Aw, fuck. I mean, there really ISN’T a silent part anymore, is there? Or dogwhistles. I kinda miss the days when the Right would at least make a halfhearted attempt at figleafing.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:56:31pm

re: #168 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Just like we did during the Bowling Green Massacre after Barack Obama was elected (twice).

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Anymouse ??  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:57:34pm

re: #185 Hecuba’s daughter

Dinesh approves of everything Trump has done: he is a white supremacist (somehow he doesn’t think that he may be targeted by those who want to make America totally white) and racist to the core.

Same with Tila Tequila.

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whitebeach  Oct 25, 2018 • 3:59:49pm

re: #127 gocart mozart

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A-bomb, cold war, guided missile.

Also TV, press secretary.

Plus a whole bunch of other really heavy terms, not least of which is superorgasm.

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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2018 • 4:00:59pm

re: #188 BigPapa

AM Radio yakker going on about Beto losing by double digits. I think it will be a lot closer than that. Not sure Beto will win.

Record turnout on first day of voting in El Paso, where Beto started on the city council, or whatever they call it there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 25, 2018 • 4:01:30pm

re: #157 Patricia Kayden

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Hell, I’m surprised Dinesh isn’t saying the incivility began with that famous Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest. That usually about his speed.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 25, 2018 • 4:04:04pm

The latest “I’m an entitled jerk and you have to bow to my wishes” navel-gazing from Slate:

slate.com

I Got Shushed at a Yo-Yo Ma Concert
The churchlike atmosphere audiences expect is killing classical music.

Take a hike, Kaya Oakes. If for some reason I got to hear a Yo-Yo Ma concert live, I’d damn sure shush you too.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 4:05:42pm

re: #193 Anymouse ??

Same with Tila Tequila.

A big part of the problem is that we even know Tila Tequila and Dinesh D’Souza.

The fringe used to be on the fringes.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 25, 2018 • 4:06:07pm

re: #192 Anymouse ??

Just like we did during the Bowling Green Massacre after Barack Obama was elected (twice).

Feed them to the lions during a halftime show. True, lions are expensive and skittish to handle, but imagine what we could get for the TV rights.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 25, 2018 • 4:07:43pm

re: #198 ObserverArt

One of those people had a massive aneurysm and started getting whackety-schmackety rather than just normal reality-star ignorant and dramatic.

The other is Dinesh D’Souza.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2018 • 4:09:47pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2018 • 4:10:27pm

re: #200 The Ghost of a Flea

One of those people had a massive aneurysm and started getting whackety-schmackety rather than just normal reality-star ignorant and dramatic.

The other is Dinesh D’Souza.

See how much you know!

: )

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CarolJ  Oct 25, 2018 • 4:17:17pm

re: #197 Anymouse ??

Hasn’t classical music for the last century been like this? I mean people were told to be quiet back when I was a kid with the kiddie concerts. And kids are pretty noisy just by being kids. But somehow we (and our teachers) managed to settle us down enough to hear. And if anything, adult classical music was even more formal with the audience making no noise louder than a cough. Classical music (and some jazz too) was for grownups to savor the music and absorb every note.

I swear, some people want to take their crude habits from rock concerts to something like Yo Yo Ma. I’m not getting dressed up and paying a nice price for tickets to hear YOU.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2018 • 4:29:33pm

re: #188 BigPapa

AM Radio yakker going on about Beto losing by double digits. I think it will be a lot closer than that. Not sure Beto will win.

Beto ran the best race he could in an extremely red state where voter suppression tactics are being employed as well. I’m hoping that we see more of him in the future. I would love to see him run for President, tbh. He reminds me of Presidents Obama and Kennedy — youthful, passionate and articulate.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 25, 2018 • 4:36:29pm

Political incivility against Rep. Jeff Fortenberry (R, NE-1). (Twiter screenshot)
Image: cd5706030aca056de869dd06d74aabda98f71e620c08eed7599230e9cf6894ad.jpg

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Anymouse ??  Oct 25, 2018 • 4:37:36pm

re: #200 The Ghost of a Flea

One of those people had a massive aneurysm and started getting whackety-schmackety rather than just normal reality-star ignorant and dramatic.

The other is Dinesh D’Souza.

She wasn’t just a reality star, she’s also a porn actress.

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gocart mozart  Oct 25, 2018 • 4:42:56pm

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