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Well, duh

I wish it was a much larger percentage, but it’s clear that Donald Trump’s weak, insincere attempts to disguise his encouragement of white supremacists are not working with a majority of Americans.

A Public Religion Research Institute poll published Monday found that 54 percent of Americans think Trump’s decisions and behavior as president have encouraged members of white supremacist groups.

Trump has faced criticism?for not consistently condemning white supremacism, including when he initially said that “both sides” were to blame for violence at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., last August.

The poll released Monday also found that 58 percent of Americans disapprove of Trump’s performance as president, including 42 percent of people who strongly disapprove. The poll found that 41 percent of Americans approve of his performance.

Additionally, nearly seven in 10 Americans think Trump has?hurt the dignity of the presidency or wish that he would behave more similarly to his predecessors.?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:19:33am
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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:20:30am
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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:22:34am

Gillum’s got Trump’s number.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:26:07am

Fox responds to Drudge.

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EPR-radar  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:27:29am

Trump is a demagogue. That’s all there is to it.

Naturally, it will likely be many years (if ever), before this simple fact is reported on by the mainstream media.

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Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:28:49am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Fox “News” is the media empire Joseph Goebbels would have created if he had had the technology available. Fox “News” needs to be destroyed.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:33:30am

Left hanging on the end of the last thread because it was long and I am slow.

We’re constantly told we should talk to Republicans to understand their needs or wants. I agree as far as anyone seeking office should be a representative of all or his constituents.

So I gave that a try in the post office this morning when I was mailing a water sample to the state lab. There were two other people there, the postmistress and the gun shop owner.

After doing my business mailing the package to the state water lab, I opened with concern about this morning’s package bomb sent to CNN and the list captured of a number of prominent Democratic politicians and media personalities. Here’s how that went.

After simply mentioning the news, and expressing concern for both the intended target and the people in the Post Office who had to handle these packages, I got some whataboutism, both from the postmistress and the gun shop owner.

In my mentioning the package bomb this morning, I only mentioned the list and my concern. I did not make it a political statement.

The postmistress immediately interpreted that as “Doesn’t Trump have the right of free speech?”

I said, sure as far as that goes. But Mr. Trump has a special duty as President of all Americans to be careful in the words he chooses. He represents all of us, both those who voted for him and those who didn’t.

The gun shop owner first questioned if these were real or fake bombs, so I explained that ATF and the FBI had already determined they were real; the bomber seemed to have failed only in using poor-quality batteries.

“Well if they were fake what’s the problem?”

I pointed out it doesn’t matter if a bomb is real or fake (but appears real). It is illegal to mail either one, to which the postmistress chimed in “Yup.”

I then pointed out that any high-profile attack, regardless of who did it or why, tends to spawn local copycats.

I don’t think anyone here would go so far as to send me a mail bomb, but everyone in the county knows I am a Democratic village trustee. If some chowderhead in the local area decides to try the same stunt locally, he’d risk our postmistress and anyone else in the mail stream, our local rural mail delivery clerk, and maybe my elderly neighbour (who’s mailbox is affixed to the same post as mine). Some local guy trying to get famous through terror could injure or kill a whole bunch of people. The same if they sent it to a local radio station or newspaper.

That caused a change in attitude, when I put it in terms of “it could be you.”

I’m sure I didn’t make two brand-new Democratic voters, but I got them to think about this violence a different way (I hope).

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:38:16am
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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:39:16am

USA Today gets blunt. Pittsburgh shooting: It’s too late for Trump to be credible on uniting US against hate

“It’s a terrible, terrible thing what’s going on with hate in our country, frankly, and all over the world. And something has to be done.”

If only the person who said that had any self-knowledge or credibility. If he had the first, he’d start by apologizing for all he has done to fuel hatred in the past three years, and he’d cancel his remaining political rallies or tone them way, way down. If he had the second, we’d believe him. But he doesn’t. There’s no way to trust what President Donald Trump says, especially on civility and reconciliation.

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:41:08am

re: #9 makeitstop

Not blunt enough.

Trump is the match to the bomb throwers among the right wing extremists to follow through on their dystopian right wing racist and fascist fantasies of stripping rights from nonwhites and putting women in their place while elevating white Christians to their rightful place.

Trump signals his support every single day. His policies further white nationalism and white supremacy. He attacks minorities and the press almost daily.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:41:44am

re: #8 lawhawk

Trump to travel Tuesday to Pittsburgh after synagogue massacre, says White House

This is more about showing up the religious leaders who said Trump isn’t welcome than it is about any type of concern about the victims or their families.

I hope he is shunned when he goes to Pittsburgh, and it’s covered by every network.

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dangerman  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:42:23am

A.A. Milne (of Pooh fame) wrote a locked room mystery published in 1922
It was…not bad

The Red House Mystery

it’s at Project Gutenberg (link at the bottom of the wiki article)

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Teddy's Person  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:42:40am

re: #8 lawhawk

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I hope Pittsburghers greet him thusly:

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:42:57am

re: #2 jaunte

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Mexico has a higher vaccination rate than the USofA

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:43:57am

re: #9 makeitstop

From last thread:

I had to check the date on this one, evergreen tweet.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:45:51am

From the PRRI release:

There are large differences between racial and ethnic groups on this issue. About seven in ten black (72%) and Hispanic (68%) Americans, compared to less than half (45%) of white Americans, believe that the president’s conduct has encouraged white supremacist groups. Among white Americans, those with a four-year college degree are more likely than those without a degree to say that Trump’s decisions and behavior as president have encouraged white supremacist groups (58% vs. 38%).

So, once again, uneducated white people are the problem. Everyone else sees it, INCLUDING the white supremacists, who count Trump as an ally, if not a full-fledged member.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:46:06am

re: #11 makeitstop

This is more about showing up the religious leaders who said Trump isn’t welcome than it is about any type of concern about the victims or their families.

I hope he is shunned when he goes to Pittsburgh, and it’s covered by every network.

Didn’t he already victim-blame for the synagogue not being armed or something?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:46:40am

re: #17 Sir John Barron

Didn’t he already victim-blame for the synagogue not being armed or something?

First words out of his mouth.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:48:15am

re: #17 Sir John Barron

Didn’t he already victim-blame for the synagogue not being armed or something?

That was literally the first public statement he made.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:48:40am

re: #14 b.d.(soros funded)

Mexico has a higher vaccination rate than the USofA

Pretty much every country in the Americas does. Something something state-sponsored healthcare… .

I need to go to Scottsbluff to deliver a water sample to the local lab. Back later.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:49:04am

re: #16 Blind Frog Belly White

I urge you to read the whole PRRI article. It is STARK, the way the country is becoming divided into uneducated whites on one side, and everyone else on the other. Stark, and scary.

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:50:16am

re: #20 Anymouse ??

Pretty much every country in the Americas does. Something something state-sponsored healthcare… .

I need to go to Scottsbluff to deliver a water sample to the local lab. Back later.

Not just state-sponsored healthcare but the anti-vaxxers that seem unique to the Stupid Movement in the US.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:51:22am

re: #19 makeitstop

That was literally the first public statement he made.

Imagine if President Obama had said…oh never mind.

/

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:52:03am

re: #21 Blind Frog Belly White

I urge you to read the whole PRRI article. It is STARK, the way the country is becoming divided into uneducated whites on one side, and everyone else on the other. Stark, and scary.

Is this really any different than it ever was? Or is the difference now that uneducated white people are being driven by some sort of resentment at a changing world?

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:53:32am

If I were a relative of any of those killed in this right wing domestic terror attack, I’d absolutely denounce Trump and refuse to meet with him.

And for the record, if I’m killed in gun violence or a mass shooting or right wing domestic terror incident, I sure as fuck want my family and friends to make it political - and go after those who prevented gun control and refused to take steps to make it safer for all of us.

Trump gutted the CVE group, reducing its funding - mostly because the LEO group was correctly identifying that right wing extremists were the threat we had to be on the watch for.

Turns out, the FBI and LEOs were right - right wing nutters are on the rise and are pushing more terror attacks and condoning and inciting others to violence, and it starts with Trump. He’s the one equating goddamned fucking Nazis with the people who protest them. Trump’s the one who blames the victims because they didn’t have guns to defend themselves from a guy with an AR-15 who murdered 11 people and shot 3 cops too. I shouldn’t have to carry a gun to shul (or church or school, or a movie theater, or anywhere else). It’s the politics of fear to think that this is normal.

The US is only country on planet where this kind of violence occurs regularly that isn’t a war zone. It’s like clockwork.

And Trump and the GOP refuse to stop it because they’re beholden to the compromised NRA.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:54:56am

re: #24 KGxvi

Is this really any different than it ever was? Or is the difference now that uneducated white people are being driven by some sort of resentment at a changing world?

I think the divide is growing. The GOP has long encouraged the divide, but Trump pours gas on it and tosses lit matches.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:55:49am

“sympathy for monarchism and bio-realist Republicanism”
Every one of these ass-hats think they’re gonna be the feudal lords, and not some peasant in the stables shoveling crap

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:55:59am
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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:57:28am

re: #27 FormerDirtDart ????

Biorealist republicanism?

So, he thinks he’ll be privileged to be in the elite while everyone else suffers for scraps?

Same as always…

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:58:13am

re: #28 makeitstop

The Habeas Corpus clause is in Article I, making it a congressional power rather than a presidential power.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:58:44am

re: #27 FormerDirtDart ????

“sympathy for monarchism and bio-realist Republicanism”
Every one of these ass-hats think they’re gonna be the feudal lords, and not some peasant in the stables shoveling crap

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“Bio-realist”? I’m gonna assume that means scientific racism, a la ‘The Bell Curve’.

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:58:44am

re: #7 Anymouse ??

Left hanging on the end of the last thread because it was long and I am slow.

We’re constantly told we should talk to Republicans to understand their needs or wants. I agree as far as anyone seeking office should be a representative of all or his constituents.

So I gave that a try in the post office this morning when I was mailing a water sample to the state lab. There were two other people there, the postmistress and the gun shop owner.

After doing my business mailing the package to the state water lab, I opened with concern about this morning’s package bomb sent to CNN and the list captured of a number of prominent Democratic politicians and media personalities. Here’s how that went.

[Embedded content]

Do you think this will hurt you this election? I bet the chatter is getting around.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:58:48am

Here comes the next wingnut freakout…

Coming soon to a RW propaganda outlet near you.

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sagehen  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:59:13am

re: #25 lawhawk

I shouldn’t have to carry a gun to shul (or church or school, or a movie theater, or anywhere else). It’s the politics of fear to think that this is normal.

The US is only country on planet where this kind of violence occurs regularly that isn’t a war zone. It’s like clockwork.

And Trump and the GOP refuse to stop it because they’re beholden to the compromised NRA.

Pretty sure the Orthodox CAN’T carry a gun on Sabbath. They can’t even carry house keys or cash. (there’s a few Orthodox in my building; they walk downstairs on Saturday mornings, the doorman holds their keys while they’re out for services and pushes elevator buttons for them when they’re ready to go home.)

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:00:42pm

re: #33 makeitstop

Here comes the next wingnut freakout…

Coming soon to a RW propaganda outlet near you.

Ah, well that balances everything out then. Buncha bombs mailed to Dems, now this one anti-GOP episode.

/

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:02:16pm

re: #35 Sir John Barron

Ah, well that balances everything out then. Buncha bombs mailed to Dems, now this one anti-GOP episode.

/

I wouldn’t rule out friendly fire, actually. It’s worth a few bullets through your own windows to get a week’s worth of talking points.

/half

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:02:18pm

re: #11 makeitstop

This is more about showing up the religious leaders who said Trump isn’t welcome than it is about any type of concern about the victims or their families.

I hope he is shunned when he goes to Pittsburgh, and it’s covered by every network.

He will be shunned by the decent folks.

There will still be a big turnout because there are assholes that will back him and want to show up the Jewish citizens and their leaders.

The Trumpheads will travel from all over Pennsylvania and it wouldn’t surprise me if a bunch of Ohioans from the Youngstown/Warren area make it too.

I hope I am wrong.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:02:39pm
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Anymouse ??  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:02:50pm

re: #24 KGxvi

Is this really any different than it ever was? Or is the difference now that uneducated white people are being driven by some sort of resentment at a changing world?

Many people with less than a college education have always been able in larger numbers to be corralled by a demagogue. The problems are multi-faceted, but the blame goes on the demagogue, not the people who are convinced by his lies and hate.

Critical thinking skills are generally not taught in elementary or high school. They could be, but when you have a group like the Texas GOP putting in their party platform they oppose teaching critical thinking in primary or secondary school because it undermines parental authority, the party is stating its official position is to keep people from being able to discern what’s true from what’s unproven or what’s false.

That makes that group ripe for picking by a demagogue.

Case in point: Kellyanne Conway trying to retcon the attack on Tree of Life Synagogue (and the last one on the Emanuel AME Church) into an attack on “religion” or religious belief, which she asserts is rising in the USA.

That’s a dog whistle to every person who’s been taught by a preacher that “atheists and secularists” (never mind secularism has nothing to do with that) are a threat to God-believing people.

Couple that with the constant fear generated by conservatives against the other, and you’ve now deflected the cause of the attacks. It’s not because the Charleston shooter hated African-Americans and the Pittsburgh shooter hated Jews. It’s because there is an attack on religion.

Never mind that of all religious groups by percentage of the group atheists commit the fewest crimes, they are painted as “evil” and “trying to attack religion.” If you view that as an existential crisis, it becomes “get the atheists before they get us.”

On a different attack some months ago, a local fellow wrote a letter blaming mass shootings on atheists. I fired up my “oh hell no” pen and took his letter apart in a rebuttal.

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:02:59pm

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

I think the divide is growing. The GOP has long encouraged the divide, but Trump pours gas on it and tosses lit matches.

Since Obama was elected, gay marriage allowed, and a woman ran for president (and won the popular vote), uneducated whites are realizing their control is slipping away. And allowing assault weapons isn’t scaring people the way they’re supposed to, so they’ve turned to a dictator-wanna-be to stay in power.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:03:04pm

But, you know, an overwhelming majority of the people who voted for him voted for him, so Checkmate, Libtard!

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:03:04pm

re: #37 ObserverArt

He will be shunned by the decent folks.

There will still be a big turnout because there are assholes that will back him and want to show up the Jewish citizens and their leaders.

The Trumpheads will travel from all over Pennsylvania and it wouldn’t surprise me if a bunch of Ohioans from the Youngstown/Warren area make it too.

I hope I am wrong.

Buncha red MAGA hats, some “Lock Her Up” chants, and he goes on to the next campaign rally.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:03:28pm
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sagehen  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:03:29pm

re: #30 KGxvi

The Habeas Corpus clause is in Article I, making it a congressional power rather than a presidential power.

But Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus, so it’s a Republican tradition!!!

//

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:05:16pm

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

I think the divide is growing. The GOP has long encouraged the divide, but Trump pours gas on it and tosses lit matches.

Right, the divide’s been there for a long time, but it hasn’t been fed from the person at the top.

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Alephnaught  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:06:27pm

re: #27 FormerDirtDart ????

“sympathy for monarchism and bio-realist Republicanism”
Every one of these ass-hats think they’re gonna be the feudal lords, and not some peasant in the stables shoveling crap

[Embedded content]

Am I off-piste in thinking that this person might possibly think of “bio-realist” in similar terms to “race realist”?

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Anymouse ??  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:06:35pm

re: #32 ObserverArt

Do you think this will hurt you this election? I bet the chatter is getting around.

I don’t know. Everyone in town already knows where I stand and what party I belong to. I also had my candidate questionnaire in the paper last week (available on the right hand bar of LGF).

In my conversation in the Post Office I was careful not to lay blame, but I find it interesting the postmistress immediately jumped to “doesn’t Trump have free speech.”

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:06:35pm

re: #34 sagehen

Pretty sure the Orthodox CAN’T carry a gun on Sabbath. They can’t even carry house keys or cash. (there’s a few Orthodox in my building; they walk downstairs on Saturday mornings, the doorman holds their keys while they’re out for services and pushes elevator buttons for them when they’re ready to go home.)

Pretty sure that Jews are able to carry as necessary within an eruv, and for their safety/security.

The restrictions for carrying (working) on Shabbat depends on the nature of the action.

But at same time, Jewish congregations could hire armed security, or have local police present. Our congregation has the latter, and we’ve got a bunch of security measures in place.

It’s insane.

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:07:44pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:07:55pm

The proper response is to tell her to show us the plan, or shut the fuck up, because the plans he’s supported don’t.

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:08:04pm

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

I think the divide is growing. The GOP has long encouraged the divide, but Trump pours gas on it and tosses lit matches.

The divide has always been there, I think. Some educated whites have always been sympathetic to uneducated whites; some have cynically used them for power.

Given how much things have changed in the last 20 years (in technology, in demographics, and in the culture wars), I’m not sure the divide wouldn’t have grown even without Trump. During the pre-Civil War era and then during Jim Crow, poor/uneducated white people could look at minorities and say “well, at least I’m better off than them.” It was changing slowly, but in the last 20 years or so, the change sped up. Trump has focused the rage and resentment, he’s distilled it in populism, but I do believe if it wasn’t him, it’d be someone else carrying the Pat Buchannan Honorary Tiki Torch of White Nationalism.

And to think, in 2000 Trump left the Reform party because of Bechannan and Duke…

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:08:34pm

re: #24 KGxvi

Is this really any different than it ever was? Or is the difference now that uneducated white people are being driven by some sort of resentment at a changing world?

I don’t think it is much different. The difference is the Big Mouth in the oval office giving them a voice and cover…so out they come.

The resentment, bigotry and all their other gripes are historically the same. They just had to shut up because they would get shouted down and put in their place. And they wouldn’t get the media coverage because they were contained and quieted.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:09:58pm

re: #29 lawhawk

Biorealist republicanism?

So, he thinks he’ll be privileged to be in the elite while everyone else suffers for scraps?

Same as always…

re: #31 Blind Frog Belly White

“Bio-realist”? I’m gonna assume that means scientific racism, a la ‘The Bell Curve’.

I was reading it as male pattern low pigment ethno-superiority, barefoot and pregnant women, closeted right-less LBGT citizens

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:10:39pm

Tweet got deleted - so this post got whacked…

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:10:47pm

re: #50 Blind Frog Belly White

POTUS’s health care plan would protect preexisting conditions, but doesn’t answer why Trump admin. is supporting lawsuit & take regulatory action that would undercut protections under O’Care

— Jordan Fabian

“Ocare a complete disaster, failing…will replace with something really Big and Terrific.”

/

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:11:12pm
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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:11:34pm
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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:13:57pm
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Belafon  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:14:09pm

re: #47 Anymouse ??

“No, actually, as president, his speech is limited. He’s the head of the executive, whose job is to protect our speech. He is limited by the constitution and laws because he is the government.”

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Anymouse ??  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:15:13pm

Never forget that it was the Murdoch family & Roger Ailes who invented a “War on Xmas” to vilify Jews - a @FoxNews calumny Trump endorsed.

— Frank Rich

Actually not true. The War on Christmas was invented by the John Birch Society after Henry Ford printed The International Jew. The JBS took that book and distributed it to members and politicians, noting there was a War on Christmas.

All FOX did was resurrect original JBS propaganda. It was Goldwater who invited the JBS in to the GOP, which gave them access to the head of a major political party.

When FOX came on the air, they just took the JBS propaganda and spread it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:16:49pm

re: #51 KGxvi

The divide has always been there, I think. Some educated whites have always been sympathetic to uneducated whites; some have cynically used them for power.

Given how much things have changed in the last 20 years (in technology, in demographics, and in the culture wars), I’m not sure the divide wouldn’t have grown even without Trump. During the pre-Civil War era and then during Jim Crow, poor/uneducated white people could look at minorities and say “well, at least I’m better off than them.” It was changing slowly, but in the last 20 years or so, the change sped up. Trump has focused the rage and resentment, he’s distilled it in populism, but I do believe if it wasn’t him, it’d be someone else carrying the Pat Buchannan Honorary Tiki Torch of White Nationalism.

And to think, in 2000 Trump left the Reform party because of Bechannan and Duke…

I think without Trump, they’d be far more restrained, and the divisions would not be as deep. Trump appealed to every single part of their pathology - not just racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism and xenophobia, but boiling resentment at being called out on their racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism and xenophobia. He told them that all the racist, sexist, anti-intellectual and xenophobic things they thought were not only not BAD, but that they weren’t racist, sexist, anti-intellectual and xenophobic.

They love him because he encourages and justifies every single bad impulse they have, and he didn’t speak in coded language. No other Republican leader would have done that, so no other Republican leader would have empowered them like that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:17:10pm

re: #34 sagehen

Pretty sure the Orthodox CAN’T carry a gun on Sabbath. They can’t even carry house keys or cash. (there’s a few Orthodox in my building; they walk downstairs on Saturday mornings, the doorman holds their keys while they’re out for services and pushes elevator buttons for them when they’re ready to go home.)

Carrying a weapon on Sabbath is permitted for pikuach nefesh (protection of life). This is why IDF active soldiers and reservists carry weapons everywhere they go, including on Sabbath. BTW Israel has some very strict gun laws, unlike the RW meme that everybody there is armed to the teeth.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:19:47pm

re: #62 The Vicious Babushka

Carrying a weapon on Sabbath is permitted for pikuach nefesh (protection of life). This is why IDF active soldiers and reservists carry weapons everywhere they go, including on Sabbath. BTW Israel has some very strict gun laws, unlike the RW meme that everybody there is armed to the teeth.

Anecdotally, when I visited Israel, there were numerous IDF soldiers who were armed. There wasn’t a single civilian walking around like it was a John Wayne movie with a six shooter strapped to his or her hip.

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:20:48pm

re: #62 The Vicious Babushka

Carrying a weapon on Sabbath is permitted for pikuach nefesh (protection of life). This is why IDF active soldiers and reservists carry weapons everywhere they go, including on Sabbath. BTW Israel has some very strict gun laws, unlike the RW meme that everybody there is armed to the teeth.

If the US adopted Israeli gun control rules, there’d be such a cry from the right wing, you’d hear the howling from Mars.

Israel has some of the toughest gun control rules in the world.

They require lots of training just to get to carry, and then need specific reasons to carry.

Israelis must meet a detailed list of criteria (Hebrew link) to be allowed to own a firearm. They must ask the state for a license, are permitted only one gun at a time, and must even ask for permission to sell their gun. And the Firearms Licensing Department is no rubber stamp: Roughly 40 percent of requests are rejected.

Indeed, before even requesting a license, Israelis must meet minimum age requirements, be in good health and of sound mind, and have no criminal record, among other preconditions.

There’s more. Once they are granted the right to carry a gun, Israelis are limited to just 50 bullets in their possession at any given time. They must shoot or return old bullets before they can buy new ones, a process that can only take place at tightly regulated shooting ranges where each bullet’s sale is carefully registered. The types of guns permitted also depend on the reason for the license - i.e., a veterinarian may only purchase a gun approved by the government for the killing of animals, a hunter’s license only permits the purchase of a firearm from an approved firearms list kept by the Parks Authority, and so forth.

In other words, as the Public Security Ministry explains on its website, Israeli law “does not recognize a right to bear arms, and anyone wanting to do so must meet a number of requirements, including a justified need to carry a firearm.” There is no inkling of a belief among Israelis that citizens should be permitted to own guns as a check on government power — that is, as a limit to the sovereignty of the state expressed in its monopoly on violence.

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:22:26pm

re: #63 Anymouse ??

That’s an accurate view - few if any civilians (people out of a uniform) carry. Those that do are tightly regulated.

Soldiers are armed (and trained in use). Same with border guards and local police.

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:23:18pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

I think without Trump, they’d be far more restrained, and the divisions would not be as deep. Trump appealed to every single part of their pathology - not just racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism and xenophobia, but boiling resentment at being called out on their racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism and xenophobia. He told them that all the racist, sexist, anti-intellectual and xenophobic things they thought were not only not BAD, but that they weren’t racist, sexist, anti-intellectual and xenophobic.

They love him because he encourages and justifies every single bad impulse they have, and he didn’t speak in coded language. No other Republican leader would have done that, so no other Republican leader would have empowered them like that.

That’s probably mostly true. But I also wouldn’t be surprised a Clinton presidency would have resulted Steve King somehow becoming a legitimate 2020 contender.

I think we are just at a point in history where this is all coming to a head again. We slipped in 2016, but we can still prevail this year and in 2020.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:23:45pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

Way back in early 2016, maybe even 2015, Josh Marshall correctly identified Trump’s most enthusiastic supporters as those who had been most reliant on white privilege. That is, the folks who had come to believe that a high-paying job without higher education, in the place they were already living, was their birthright, when in fact it was largely an accident of history and largely not shared with nonwhites. As the high-paying jobs in manufacturing went away, they found themselves competing with everyone else, and boy, do they resent that!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:27:22pm

re: #66 KGxvi

That’s probably mostly true. But I also wouldn’t be surprised a Clinton presidency would have resulted Steve King somehow becoming a legitimate 2020 contender.

I think we are just at a point in history where this is all coming to a head again. We slipped in 2016, but we can still prevail this year and in 2020.

I really think Trump is a unique character, and that should not be underestimated. One of the reasons why Trump won the nomination was that there was no way to out-crazy him. Even Huckabee was unable to run to the Right of Trump, because he couldn’t pull off the brazen lying and bullshitting. Nobody can.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:30:03pm

Damn, her week is just starting.
Karma is going to be a hell of a bitch

re: #228 goddamnedfrank

Racist white lady exposed again.

Wait til the networks, and local stations pick up the story

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Charles Johnson  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:30:45pm
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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:32:22pm

re: #68 Blind Frog Belly White

I really think Trump is a unique character, and that should not be underestimated. One of the reasons why Trump won the nomination was that there was no way to out-crazy him. Even Huckabee was unable to run to the Right of Trump, because he couldn’t pull off the brazen lying and bullshitting. Nobody can.

I hope you’re right.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:32:31pm

re: #68 Blind Frog Belly White

This reminds me of the debate about whether Germany would have gone as batshit crazy if it weren’t for Hitler. The more I watch Trump, and the unique hold he has on his base, how he pushes every single one of their buttons, over and over and over, the more I think that Germany without Hitler maybe remilitarizes, but probably doesn’t go down the same path as they did in reality.

The thing we have going for us is that uneducated white people are a minority in America, whereas they were a majority in Germany.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:33:14pm

re: #71 KGxvi

I hope you’re right.

If you read my next post, I ain’t all that hopeful.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:36:21pm

Hucka-be-lyin’-again.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:37:08pm

re: #74 jaunte

Hucka-be-lyin’-again.

“The President received more votes than almost anyone!” just doesn’t sound as good.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:38:06pm

re: #15 b.d.(soros funded)

From last thread:

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I had to check the date on this one, evergreen tweet.

Trump will make him Ambassador to Russia.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:38:33pm

re: #34 sagehen

Pretty sure the Orthodox CAN’T carry a gun on Sabbath. They can’t even carry house keys or cash. (there’s a few Orthodox in my building; they walk downstairs on Saturday mornings, the doorman holds their keys while they’re out for services and pushes elevator buttons for them when they’re ready to go home.)

Then they should hire an armed security service.////

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:40:08pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:40:24pm

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

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But, you know, an overwhelming majority of the people who voted for him voted for him, so Checkmate, Libtard!

She meant an overwhelming majority of “real Americans”, you know, whites.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:40:33pm

re: #25 lawhawk

If I were a relative of any of those killed in this right wing domestic terror attack, I’d absolutely denounce Trump and refuse to meet with him.

And for the record, if I’m killed in gun violence or a mass shooting or right wing domestic terror incident, I sure as fuck want my family and friends to make it political - and go after those who prevented gun control and refused to take steps to make it safer for all of us.

Trump gutted the CVE group, reducing its funding - mostly because the LEO group was correctly identifying that right wing extremists were the threat we had to be on the watch for.

Turns out, the FBI and LEOs were right - right wing nutters are on the rise and are pushing more terror attacks and condoning and inciting others to violence, and it starts with Trump. He’s the one equating goddamned fucking Nazis with the people who protest them. Trump’s the one who blames the victims because they didn’t have guns to defend themselves from a guy with an AR-15 who murdered 11 people and shot 3 cops too. I shouldn’t have to carry a gun to shul (or church or school, or a movie theater, or anywhere else). It’s the politics of fear to think that this is normal.

The US is only country on planet where this kind of violence occurs regularly that isn’t a war zone. It’s like clockwork.

And Trump and the GOP refuse to stop it because they’re beholden to the compromised NRA.

I’d pretend to be a Trump lover, and sing his praises during the Secret Service interview. Thrn when face-to-face with Trump on live TV I’d lay I to him with a piece of my mind.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:41:54pm

Bibi’s down with the new fascist.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:42:21pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:43:16pm

re: #79 Big Beautiful Door

She meant an overwhelming majority of “real Americans”, you know, whites.

Pretty sure they don’t count my pasty white ass among REAL? Americans, what with the atheism and the college education and all.

EDIT: to clarify - not disagreeing with your point. Simply refining.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:43:24pm

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

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But, you know, an overwhelming majority of the people who voted for him voted for him, so Checkmate, Libtard!

I’ve seen this several times recently—rwnjs claiming that Trump got 65 million votes (that was HRC).

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William Lewis  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:44:50pm

re: #64 lawhawk

Yep.

But we could drastically tighten things up without even coming close to the 2nd Amendment simply by adopting laws like those in the Czech Republic (lots of gun makers, and a strong shooting and hunting community there too). They are, in many ways, some of the most lenient in Europe but they’d still be a vast improvement here.

Details Here on Wiki

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:47:06pm

Trump will probably just fly over Pittsburgh in a chopper and then get the hell out of dodge.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:47:25pm

re: #84 Barefoot Grin

I’ve seen this several times recently—rwnjs claiming that Trump got 65 million votes (that was HRC).

Yeah, but she was so fiendishly clever she got 3 million illegal aliens to vote for her without leaving any evidence while being so stupid she only had them vote in states she had no chance of losing.
//

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:47:58pm
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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:48:09pm

re: #86 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t know; I think he likes gloating at people in pain.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:48:56pm

Market taking a beating again today..

Netflix down 8%
Amazon down almost 9%

Hope people look at their 401K before voting - so much winning..

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Kragar  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:49:38pm
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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:49:46pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:50:20pm

I have been suspended from Twitter, the grounds sem to be because I was previously suspended (unfairly IMHO) and got a new account. My recent Tweets contained a lot of anti Nazi stuff including calling Trump a tyrant for attacking the “lugenpress”. Maybe that’s the real reason. I filed an “appeal’ but I am not optimistic.

Twitter

Hello Deadwin Mix,

Your account, the_edwin_mix has been suspended for violating the Twitter Rules.

Specifically, for:

Violating our rules against evading permanent suspension.

Note that if you attempt to evade a permanent suspension by creating new accounts, we will suspend your new accounts. If you wish to appeal this suspension, please contact our support team.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:51:16pm

re: #83 Blind Frog Belly White

Pretty sure they don’t count my pasty white ass among REAL? Americans, what with the atheism and the college education and all.

EDIT: to clarify - not disagreeing with your point. Simply refining.

Correct, I should’ve said “christian Whites”, or maybe just Republicans, since no real American would be a registered Democrat./

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William Lewis  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:51:34pm

re: #72 Blind Frog Belly White

This reminds me of the debate about whether Germany would have gone as batshit crazy if it weren’t for Hitler. The more I watch Trump, and the unique hold he has on his base, how he pushes every single one of their buttons, over and over and over, the more I think that Germany without Hitler maybe remilitarizes, but probably doesn’t go down the same path as they did in reality.

The thing we have going for us is that uneducated white people are a minority in America, whereas they were a majority in Germany.

Germany without Hitler would have been much like prewar Poland or post war Argentina - a fascist hell hole claiming everything they do is anti-Communism but still nowhere near as bad or as expansionist. To cross from a just another right wing fascism requires a leader with a full cult of personality - Hitler & Mussolini for example. Franco was probably with them too but Juan Carlos is a decent man and destroyed them. Peron, Pinochet, Thatcher tried and came close but there were enough other traditions surviving to prevent a total replacement by the New Order.

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Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:53:42pm

re: #72 Blind Frog Belly White

This reminds me of the debate about whether Germany would have gone as batshit crazy if it weren’t for Hitler. The more I watch Trump, and the unique hold he has on his base, how he pushes every single one of their buttons, over and over and over, the more I think that Germany without Hitler maybe remilitarizes, but probably doesn’t go down the same path as they did in reality.

The thing we have going for us is that uneducated white people are a minority in America, whereas they were a majority in Germany.

Goebbels had a PhD. Lots of early Nazis were highly educated. So were the corporate leaders, the military leaders, and political leaders who flocked to him.

I would say that this country is far less educated than Germany in the 1930s was.

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:56:47pm

re: #68 Blind Frog Belly White

I really think Trump is a unique character, and that should not be underestimated. One of the reasons why Trump won the nomination was that there was no way to out-crazy him. Even Huckabee was unable to run to the Right of Trump, because he couldn’t pull off the brazen lying and bullshitting. Nobody can.

Huckabee sure has been trying since the elections though. Failing, but trying all the same.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:56:52pm
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KerFuFFler  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:56:56pm

So, it has been a rough few days for our family. My son moved with his wife and 2 1/2 year old son to Squirrel Hill 3 months ago. They live a couple of blocks from the temple where the slaughter transpired. That is not their temple, but talk about being a little too close to home.

Their son attends a daycare run by another congregation nearby. My son and his wife were distraught dropping him off at his daycare that now has to have armed guards posted. I am thankful our grandson is too young to understand and feel fearful, but it breaks my heart that my son and his wife and Jewish households across the country are forced to confront the grim reality of the hatefulness that has gained traction in our country.

I have decided to join our town’s interfaith council that promotes understanding and toleration by organizing shared activities and projects. Whether working together raising funds or sponsoring events, the shared activities are a great way to develop trust, friendships and a sense of common purpose among people of different backgrounds. I hope some of you may consider joining such an initiative or starting something similar where you live. At times like this people often wonder, “what can we do?” So I figured I’d just suggest this as a possibility. This is the best way I can think of to thwart Trump’s hateful agenda. That, and of course, vote.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:57:57pm

US government was broadcasting antisemitic propaganda provided to it by Judicial Watch.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:58:29pm

I love how the media is almost out of fucks to give when it comes to SHS.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 12:58:30pm

re: #96 Skip Intro

Goebbels had a PhD. Lots of early Nazis were highly educated. So were the corporate leaders, the military leaders, and political leaders who flocked to him.

Yeah. Same thing can be said of Trump. But I wasn’t talking about the higher ups. I was talking about the base to whom Hitler appealed, and how he was able to build a cult of personality around himself. In some ways, Trump may be more frightening becausein many ways, he’s really his own Goebbels.

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Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:00:56pm

re: #101 Eclectic Cyborg

I love how the media is almost out of fucks to give when it comes to SHS.

But still they show up to get spanked.

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:01:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:01:45pm

re: #81 makeitstop

Bibi’s down with the new fascist.

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Bibi is a fascist himself so no surprise there.

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Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:02:12pm

re: #102 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. Same thing can be said of Trump. But I wasn’t talking about the higher ups. I was talking about the base to whom Hitler appealed, and how he was able to build a cult of personality around himself. In some ways, Trump may be more frightening becausein many ways, he’s really his own Goebbels.

Hitler had to buy newspapers to spread his propaganda. Fox hasn’t cost Trump a nickel, and is 100s of times more effective.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:05:11pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:06:54pm

re: #102 Blind Frog Belly White

He is more frightening because he creates his own reality and his cult believes it 100%. Pre Hitler Germany was a total mess. They’d just lost a war they were told they were winning. Reparations and hyperinflation wiped out German’s savings. Jobs were hard to find, there was revolution in the streets, and the government kept falling.

None of that happened her, yet to listen to Trump and his propagandists he came along at the worst time ever in the history of the US and was exactly who was needed to put things right. Him, and only him.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:10:51pm

re: #98 Patricia Kayden

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This is just getting too weird

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:12:14pm
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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:13:43pm

And, the MOSE Project isn’t expected to be finished until 2022

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:15:16pm
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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:15:33pm
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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:17:48pm

Drudge’s Twitter feed is getting flooded with tweets calling him a liberal and asking if he cashed the Soros checks.

The Red Hats will turn on anyone. Even their most devoted propagandists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:19:32pm

re: #37 ObserverArt

He will be shunned by the decent folks.

There will still be a big turnout because there are assholes that will back him and want to show up the Jewish citizens and their leaders.

The Trumpheads will travel from all over Pennsylvania and it wouldn’t surprise me if a bunch of Ohioans from the Youngstown/Warren area make it too.

I hope I am wrong.

My suggestion for the leaders is that they show up, stare at him without blinking, and refuse to speak, shake his hand, or do any social interaction beyond stares of disgust (or pity, if they are so inclined).

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:19:50pm

re: #114 makeitstop

Drudge’s Twitter feed is getting flooded with tweets calling him a liberal and asking if he cashed the Soros checks.

The Red Hats will turn on anyone. Even their most devoted propagandists.

How do we get them to turn on Trump?

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:20:17pm

re: #114 makeitstop

Drudge’s Twitter feed is getting flooded with tweets calling him a liberal and asking if he cashed the Soros checks.

The Red Hats will turn on anyone. Even their most devoted propagandists.

They are just driving more and more people away from Trump. Drudge has followers that might follow along with his thinking.

We are 8 days from election and Trump continues to dig a hole for the Republicans to fall into.

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danarchy  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:23:27pm

re: #109 Eventual Carrion

This is just getting too weird

Eh, he works for MSNBC now, I am sure it is all about keeping the paychecks flowing for him.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:25:04pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:25:23pm

re: #116 KGxvi

How do we get them to turn on Trump?

Unpossible.

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:25:24pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

My suggestion for the leaders is that they show up, stare at him without blinking, and refuse to speak, shake his hand, or do any social interaction beyond stares of disgust (or pity, if they are so inclined).

Or turn their backs on him when he enters and goes to speak.

He needs to be cut down to size. He won’t show it, he is too arrogant to do that, but he will be seething and then the next day he will be even more an ass about it all.

I hope in the next week he gets attacked so damn much he really loses it and lets all that hate out to the point it costs in the elections and it puts more force on the Republicans in office, who will wimp out and hurt themselves in the election too.

I’d love to look back on the past week and the next two as a time America decided a President was no longer worthy and forced him out.

Will it happen? Who knows. But we didn’t think he would be elected either and that happened. Maybe it is time the universe corrects that mistake.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:26:25pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:27:26pm

re: #116 KGxvi

How do we get them to turn on Trump?

They’d have to all look like Ivanka.

Oh, wait! You said ‘turn on Trump’, not ‘turn Trump on’.

Nevermind.

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danarchy  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:28:22pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

My suggestion for the leaders is that they show up, stare at him without blinking, and refuse to speak, shake his hand, or do any social interaction beyond stares of disgust (or pity, if they are so inclined).

As satisfying as that might be, it isn’t likely.

The rabbi who was presiding during the services when the shooting occurred has already said:

“The president of the United States is always welcome,” he said. “I’m a citizen, he’s my president. He is certainly welcome.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:30:05pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

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I think we could turn them back with 150 miles of concertinas, all playing “Lady Of Spain”.

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:30:44pm

Wow, Nicole has Bari Weiss on and she said she felt strange covering the Pittsburgh murders because she grew up only a few blocks away and her Bat Mitzvah was in the Tree of Life Temples.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:35:00pm
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wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:40:45pm

re: #127 jaunte

[150 miles of concertina wire ready to use]

Do they measure that stretched out, or all coiled up? Do they wear gloves when they measure it? Is this some of that work they try to get immigrants to do?

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:41:24pm

re: #128 wrenchwench

I wondered if they measured just one strand.

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:41:52pm

re: #127 jaunte

and another 700 miles between Texas and the Pacific Ocean…

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:42:18pm

150 miles of wire, but you could just step over it.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:42:31pm

Right Wing Fantasy.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:42:38pm

A former ICE agent says migrants might have smallpox and leprosy.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:42:38pm

re: #98 Patricia Kayden

No disease any refugee might bring to America is as dangerous as the disease of fear, bigotry and hatred now being spread in America by Fox.
— Bill Kristol

Wow, shots fired.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:43:17pm

re: #132 DodgerFan1988

Right Wing Fantasy.

Don’t they have jobs?

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:43:18pm

re: #132 DodgerFan1988

Bikers stranded at border due to gas shortage.

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:43:50pm

re: #134 Sir John Barron

Wow, shots fired.

Does he no longer appear on Fox? Because I have always associated his sneering shiteating grin with FNC

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:44:21pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

A former ICE agent says migrants might have smallpox and leprosy.

They “may”. Maybe the former ICE guy is “former” because he’s a wacko nutjob. Maybe.

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:44:40pm

re: #132 DodgerFan1988

Southern Boarder? Someone staying at a Southern locale?

Boarder ≠ Border.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:45:10pm

re: #137 KGxvi

Does he no longer appear on Fox? Because I have always associated his sneering shiteating grin with FNC

Not for long if he has been. But he’s been critical of Drump for a long time. Can’t imagine there’d be a spot on Faux for that.

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:45:40pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

Smallpox, which was pretty much eliminated as a threat due to worldwide vaccination. Leprosy?

They’re pulling out all the stops trying to gin up the fear to 11ty among the know nothing xenophobic bigot brigade.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:45:43pm

re: #136 jaunte

Bikers stranded at border due to gas shortage.

George Soros bought up all the gas stations and won’t sell to DJT bikers, I bet.

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wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:46:08pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

A former ICE agent says migrants might have smallpox and leprosy.

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Not to worry, they are pretty much vaccinated, they won’t catch those things when they come across our border.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:46:29pm

re: #141 lawhawk

Smallpox, which was pretty much eliminated as a threat due to worldwide vaccination. Leprosy?

They’re pulling out all the stops trying to gin up the fear to 11ty among the know nothing xenophobic bigot brigade.

MS-13 gangbangers of ISIS with leprosy.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:46:48pm

Bikers were to patrol border, but too proud to ride dirt bikes.

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whitebeach  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:47:33pm

re: #116 KGxvi

How do we get them to turn on Trump?

I dunno, dead girl, live boy? Not sure dead girl would do it with this crowd. And live boy would probably turn Fox into a raving advocate for gay rights, certainly for gay Rights.

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:47:38pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:47:47pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

A former ICE agent says migrants might have smallpox and leprosy.

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Former ICE agent is a fucking moron. I used to work for one of the guys who started his career in the field, successfully eradicating smallpox in the Third World.

(To prove the vaccine was safe, he re-jabbed himself in every town they went to. If smallpox ever returns, Don Francis will survive, even if nobody else does)
(Matthew Modine played him in “And The Band Played On”)

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:48:08pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

A former ICE agent says migrants might have smallpox and leprosy.

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Law enforcement officers are never the people to resist an authoritarian ruler creating a police state.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:48:40pm

re: #144 Sir John Barron

MS-13 gangbangers of ISIS with leprosy.

They had to leave Honduras because business was dropping off?

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:49:35pm

re: #150 Blind Frog Belly White

Give this man a hand, folks.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:50:26pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

A former ICE agent says migrants might have smallpox and leprosy.

What did the pro-caravan guest say?

Ha ha just kidding. I know Fox didn’t put on a “pro caravan” or pro-human being guest.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:51:00pm

re: #141 lawhawk

Smallpox, which was pretty much eliminated as a threat due to worldwide vaccination. Leprosy?

They’re pulling out all the stops trying to gin up the fear to 11ty among the know nothing xenophobic bigot brigade.

Next the GOP will start selling pomanders to ward off the miasma. Seriously, these assholes suck up all the phlogiston in the room.
//

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:51:40pm
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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:52:31pm

Lou Dobbs Disease.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:53:40pm

re: #139 lawhawk

Southern Boarder? Someone staying at a Southern locale?

Boarder ≠ Border.

Why, I do declare, that surely is a passel of bikers!

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wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:54:09pm

re: #154 jaunte

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Lots of US citizens go to Mexico for health care. It’s a big border industry.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:55:58pm

re: #101 Eclectic Cyborg

I love how the media is almost out of fucks to give when it comes to SHS.

After excoriating Michelle Wolf for calling her out on her lies at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner. So the media have finally figured things out, huh? **rolls eyes**

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:56:19pm

re: #157 wrenchwench

I recall reading something a while back about Mexico being a regular stop on the circuit for semiretired people who were still working for Amazon distribution hubs and the like, living in campers, and driving south of the border for less expensive drugs and healthcare.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:56:49pm

Our never-retired gig economy.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:57:22pm

re: #154 jaunte

“The invasion of illegal aliens is threatening the health of many Americans. Highly-contagious diseases are now crossing our borders decades after those diseases had been eradicated in this country.”

Yeah but maybe they would threaten the health of poor and minority Americans who don’t own guns and who aren’t really Americans anyway.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:57:53pm

re: #101 Eclectic Cyborg

I love how the media is almost out of fucks to give when it comes to SHS.

Almost

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:58:36pm

So my mom and a cousin of mine were sharing George Soros is bankrolling the caravan theories the day that the bomb showed up in Soros’ mailbox.

I tried to engage my mom on that last night.
Hey Mom….those conspiracy theory things that ***** posted the other day about George Soros? That mass murder gunman cited exactly the same stuff before he went and murdered 11 people today…..This is where this sort of stuff leads. People believe this nonsense about a Jewish banker paying money for refugees and now a LOT of people are dead and four cops got shot as well. Thank God none of them died too.

…. We have to shut this craziness down. The next guy who send bombs to political donors may make sure the bombs work…and the next one may be a far left type who sends them to the Koch Brothers or Shelden Adelson who donate to the GOP. We gotta stop it now. Please say something to ***** if he does that again.

That was a fucking mistake. My mom:

So now you’re saying ***** has something to do with this crazy nut?
I do have something I want to share with you. I’m sure you remember the verse saying first you must first remove the splinter from your own eye before removing the log from your neighbors. To take it one step further: In order to hate the sin in the world, first you must hate the sin in yourself. Think about it.

I’m confused…

I’m saying we that it is a dangerous lie and nobody should be sharing it. It is encouraging really bad people to go and do horrible things. I’m not at all sure what it is you want me to consider mom, because I’m not sharing conspiracy theories…and ***** actually did.

I get educated….

What I want you to think about is the sin, not just in the world culminating in these atrocities, but also the sin in your own life. You constantly rant and rave about what you perceive as the sins of the world, all of which you can realistically do very little about. In order to hate the sin in the world, you must first hate the sin in yourself. But you ignore your own sins. My greatest concern is that you get right with God. I know, from personal experience, that once you do, everything around you will fall in place. You just might see that God is really in control. He doesn’t enable the atrocities, but he is allowing each person to sign their own death warrant. You know, you can not count on tomorrow. There is a story of a man who made a large purchase that would, he thought, set him up for life—not knowing that he would no longer have that life. Are you ready to meet God and explain all that you do?

I have no idea where in the world to go with this. I asked my mom to stop sharing anti Semitic conspiracy theories and she tells me I have to stop being a sinner to understand that it is all OK.

All right, mom. I thought I would try to talk to you. Sorry to have bothered you

I think this pretty much kills any possibility I had of trying to have any real relationship with my folks. They are gone, and I can’t bring them back.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:58:44pm

re: #160 jaunte

Our never-retired gig economy.

I can see a special on Fox Business Channel: “America’s On-The-Go Seniors! Starting new businesses to pay rent and avoid eating cat food!”

(Though really, cat food is probably more expensive than human food)

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dangerman  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:59:22pm

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

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But, you know, an overwhelming majority of the people who voted for him voted for him, so Checkmate, Libtard!

do we actually even know this?
i mean that all those people who actually voted for him were…people?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 1:59:57pm

re: #163 Scottish Dragon

So sorry you have to endure this.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:00:31pm

The consequence of removing humans from the loop - the way Silicon Valley does, so all its creations can “scale” without incurring the cost of you know, actually hiring humans to work …

Means that algos can’t spot when humans are being assholes to each other.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:01:04pm

re: #165 dangerman

do we actually even know this?
i mean that all those people who actually voted for him were…people?

I have to keep reminding myself of it, but, yeah.

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dangerman  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:01:37pm

re: #47 Anymouse ??

I don’t know. Everyone in town already knows where I stand and what party I belong to. I also had my candidate questionnaire in the paper last week (available on the right hand bar of LGF).

In my conversation in the Post Office I was careful not to lay blame, but I find it interesting the postmistress immediately jumped to “doesn’t Trump have free speech.”

he has exactly the same “free speech” as everyone else

and that means he also has the same responsibilities as everyone else

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dangerman  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:03:43pm

re: #50 Blind Frog Belly White

The proper response is to tell her to show us the plan, or shut the fuck up, because the plans he’s supported don’t.

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more and more people are going directly for “lie”

it took all this time, and there arent nearly enough yet.
still…movement.

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wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:04:51pm

re: #170 dangerman

still…movement.

Contradiction of terms alert.

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Joe Bacon ??  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:05:00pm

re: #163 Scottish Dragon

I deal with the same bullshit from my brainwashed family.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:05:53pm

re: #131 jaunte

150 miles of wire, but you could just step over it.

Concertina wire is approximately 1 meter tall. The most typical employment method is the “triple standard” fence. two rolls on the base, one on top.
50 meters/yards of fence requires 9 roll of concertina, 20 pickets (10 if you’re cutting corners), and 2 rolls of barbed wire (1 if cutting corners). Though, I prefer the addition of a third line of barbed wire across the top. It prevents easy depression of the obstacle.

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freetoken  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:06:32pm

re: #163 Scottish Dragon

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:06:47pm

re: #172 Joe Bacon ??

I deal with the same bullshit from my brainwashed family.

I’ve basically given up trying to talk politics with my family any more. It’s just not worth it.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:08:12pm

re: #173 FormerDirtDart ????

So, I wonder if the 150 miles refers to a single roll, or a full fence.

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Jay C  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:10:35pm

re: #91 Kragar

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“Cherrypicking”??

When it comes to Stupid Divisive Trump Shit, there are so many “cherries” on the tree, the branches are bent down to the ground, and you can’t come near it without stepping on heaps of them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:11:34pm

Okay, so the troops will be on the border at election time. While the caravan - if it still is going - will be maybe 1/3 of the way up Mexico?

“The boys will be home by Christmas!”

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:12:39pm

re: #178 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, so the troops will be on the border at election time. While the caravan - if it still is going - will be maybe 1/3 of the way up Mexico?

“The boys will be home by Christmas!”

We will be greeted as liberators…..

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:14:14pm

Not all Texans.

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:14:25pm

Meanwhile, the Dow lost another 245 points (just shy of 1%) in another day of volatile trading (it had been up as much as 650 points earlier in the day). Nasdaq lost another 1.6% and is only about 50 points over where it opened the year around 7000 points (having lost 1000 points this month). The S&P500 lost a little more than a half percent today, and is now 70 points below where it started the year (it opened the year at about 2715 and is now at 2641).

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:15:02pm

re: #176 jaunte

So, I wonder if the 150 miles refers to a single roll, or a full fence.

I would assume single roll. So, just under 16,000 rolls of concertina

As I tweeted at you.
The wire will likely be used for temporary detention facilities, not the border.
Though, I could also see it used at ports of entry, to make them look more imposing, less inviting. In hopes that refugees will to cross illegally. So asylum requests can be rejected

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:15:47pm

re: #178 Blind Frog Belly White

How many of those troop are on shore leave heading to Tijuana?

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dangerman  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:16:09pm

re: #85 William Lewis

Yep.

But we could drastically tighten things up without even coming close to the 2nd Amendment simply by adopting laws like those in the Czech Republic (lots of gun makers, and a strong shooting and hunting community there too). They are, in many ways, some of the most lenient in Europe but they’d still be a vast improvement here.

Details Here on Wiki

ill say it again, we could tighten things up by going hard after only those people who actually screw up and lose control of their weapons.

accidental discharges, kid took your gun to school, all those questionable shooting scenarios.

they’ve proven their irresponsibility. demonstrated it for all to see. that they are careless and reckless.

so take their freedom, finances and future.

take their weapons, their future 2a rights, fine them hard, jail them a long time

then maybe the rest of the gun owners might grow the fuck up and take some goddamn personal responsibility

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wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:17:49pm

re: #182 FormerDirtDart ????

I would assume single roll. So, just under 16,000 rolls of concertina

As I tweeted at you.
The wire will likely be used for temporary detention facilities, not the border.
Though, I could also see it used at ports of entry, to make them look more imposing, less inviting. In hopes that refugees will to cross illegally. So asylum requests can be rejected

How many rolls to build a wall? Was the steel made in Mexico?

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:18:58pm

re: #182 FormerDirtDart ????

I would assume single roll. So, just under 16,000 rolls of concertina

As I tweeted at you.
The wire will likely be used for temporary detention facilities, not the border.
Though, I could also see it used at ports of entry, to make them look more imposing, less inviting. In hopes that refugees will to cross illegally. So asylum requests can be rejected

I can also see them employing tactical fencing in areas of rough terrain. Where they have traditionally not emplaced hard barriers due to difficulty in construction.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:19:45pm

re: #183 KGxvi

How many of those troop are on shore leave heading to Tijuana?

Is it still shore leave if you’re in the Army?

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:20:17pm

re: #174 freetoken

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:20:43pm

Good article here. A scientist decided to write about politics, and lived to regret it.

At the Mountains of Political Madness

One would think that a week after a Middle Eastern despot had his goons dismember a critical journalist while he was still alive as the American right ran interference for this act of barbarism, smearing the journalist’s memory and praising the despot’s wealth as President Trump free-associated about how awesome assaulting reporters is, the media would finally shake itself out of its stupor. But instead, we woke up to op-eds about how Trump is bound to keep winning unless the Dems “hit him back hard,” forgetting the 7,832 pieces they wrote the week before lamenting “the left’s incivility” and regurgitating Republican conspiracy theories about violent, Jew-led leftist mobs on loan from 1930s Germany.

Similarly, the day after CNN’s offices were evacuated to secure and remove a pipe bomb, one of those sent to people on Trump’s hit list and featuring a far right Tea Party meme on its casing, the media dutifully played clips of Democrats arguing to not let the GOP monopolize the national discourse and be willing to confront elected leaders while the right wing huffed and puffed about “false flags” and insinuating that the media more or less deserved it, sticking to whataboutism even after Cesar Sayoc Jr. — or, as he’s known on social media, the MAGA Bomber — allegedly tried to kill journalists and prominent liberal politicians and financiers, clearly and obviously inspired by Trump’s rhetoric. And as a kicker, it took Trump all of a few hours after Sayoc’s arrest to double down on his conspiratorial bloviation and go on to spout doomsday fantasies about Democrats at his rally that night.

Instead of standing up for themselves and the majority of Americans, they cowered in fear of being accused of “having a liberal bias” even though this is the charge leveled at them for merely existing and having the temerity to do anything other than pipe straight-up Republican propaganda praising Emperor Trump I of House MAGA and his glorious and righteous work of “restoring America” in a style not too dissimilar from North Korea or China. And their fear of right wing rage is so great, they seldom push back on their nonsense-spewing GOP guests, who erupt in tirades and hysterical shrieking at the slightest provocation.

Lots more at the link.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:21:24pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:22:08pm

re: #178 Blind Frog Belly White

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Okay, so the troops will be on the border at election time. While the caravan - if it still is going - will be maybe 1/3 of the way up Mexico?

“The boys will be home by Christmas!”

But the painting will be done for the base and it will be up by the elections showing Trump is doing something about the caravan.

Trump is an Impressionist.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:22:13pm

re: #178 Blind Frog Belly White

So, to be clear, there will be images of the troops arriving on the weekend before the elections.
— Glenn Thrush

Just all about making Amercia Great Agen.

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ckkatz  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:22:30pm

re: #99 KerFuFFler

So, it has been a rough few days for our family. My son moved with his wife and 2 1/2 year old son to Squirrel Hill 3 months ago. They live a couple of blocks from the temple where the slaughter transpired. That is not their temple, but talk about being a little too close to home.

Their son attends a daycare run by another congregation nearby. My son and his wife were distraught dropping him off at his daycare that now has to have armed guards posted. I am thankful our grandson is too young to understand and feel fearful, but it breaks my heart that my son and his wife and Jewish households across the country are forced to confront the grim reality of the hatefulness that has gained traction in our country.

I have decided to join our town’s interfaith council that promotes understanding and toleration by organizing shared activities and projects. Whether working together raising funds or sponsoring events, the shared activities are a great way to develop trust, friendships and a sense of common purpose among people of different backgrounds. I hope some of you may consider joining such an initiative or starting something similar where you live. At times like this people often wonder, “what can we do?” So I figured I’d just suggest this as a possibility. This is the best way I can think of to thwart Trump’s hateful agenda. That, and of course, vote.

My heartfelt sympathy to your son, daughter-in-law and grandson.

I grew up about 3/4 of a mile from there. While I attended Rodef Shalom and not Tree of Life, I knew many who did attend Tree of Life.

I will say that part of Squirrel Hill is quite beautiful. And there is a lot to commend it. One brother went to high school with Frances Arnold, who won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry this year. My sister went to grade school with Fred Rogers’ son and Robbie Marshall.(Hollywood Director) I also found Pittsburgh a wonderful place in Spring summer and Fall. Winter not so much, though.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:26:11pm

re: #191 ObserverArt

But the painting will be done for the base and it will be up by the elections showing Trump is doing something about the caravan.

Trump is an Impressionist.

“Hey, Mad Dog? Don’t we have some troops we were gonna use for joint exercises with South Korea? Are they doing anything for the next few months? Well, they can dig holes and fill them up again in Texas as well as they can in Korea.”

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whitebeach  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:26:14pm

re: #173 FormerDirtDart ????

Concertina wire is approximately 1 meter tall. The most typical employment method is the “triple standard” fence. two rolls on the base, one on top.
50 meters/yards of fence requires 9 roll of concertina, 20 pickets (10 if you’re cutting corners), and 2 rolls of barbed wire (1 if cutting corners). Though, I prefer the addition of a third line of barbed wire across the top. It prevents easy depression of the obstacle.

US troops stand strong against leprous brown-skinned MS-13 ISIS pole vaulters.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:29:26pm
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dangerman  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:31:01pm

re: #164 Blind Frog Belly White

I can see a special on Fox Business Channel: “America’s On-The-Go Seniors! Starting new businesses to pay rent and avoid eating cat food!”

(Though really, cat food is probably more expensive than human food)

its a plot by the cat overlords

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dangerman  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:31:53pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

Contradiction of terms alert.

well played

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stpaulbear  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:34:07pm

re: #163 Scottish Dragon

I have no idea where in the world to go with this. I asked my mom to stop sharing anti Semitic conspiracy theories and she tells me I have to stop being a sinner to understand that it is all OK.

All right, mom. I thought I would try to talk to you. Sorry to have bothered you.

I think this pretty much kills any possibility I had of trying to have any real relationship with my folks. They are gone, and I can’t bring them back.

I’ve got a sister one year younger than me (I’m 64) that’s acting like that too. Filled with hatred but you’re the problem because you won’t accept JC into your life, and you’re going to spend eternity in burning hell. I send her birthday cards but I never speak with her any more.

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:34:55pm

re: #196 jaunte

Daniel Dale ?
@ddale8
Fox also did this DISEASE!!! thing in 2014, when there was the surge of unaccompanied minors. I’d forgotten that Trump himself used it in the first month of his campaign in 2015. pic.twitter.com

4:41 PM - Oct 29, 2018

Fox doesn’t have any new tricks, they rely on the well-worn because sadly they are still effective.

Most of it is as old as man too. Making your people scared of others bolstered by religion has caused many a war and a lot of carnage throughout history.

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sagehen  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:35:32pm

Frontline tonight and tomorrow (check your local PBS listings, or available on-line) —

a 2-part special “The Facebook Dilemma”.

The Facebook Dilemma | Facebook’s “Surveillance Machine” | FRONTLINE

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dangerman  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:36:48pm

re: #172 Joe Bacon ??

I deal with the same bullshit from my brainwashed family.

i am very thankful for my entire family and my in-law family

we rarely talk about politics directly, there is great harmony, lots of respect, and i’d guess not a whole lot of disagreement anyway

and there are multiple religions going on with no preaching, dehumanizing or disowning/casting out

my first set of inlaws wow now more than 25 years ago were absolutely toxic

i am so happy with the current lot that i tell them often how lucky i know i am that they embrace me and are embraced by me

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:37:38pm

re: #200 ObserverArt

Fox doesn’t have any new tricks, they rely on the well-worn because sadly they are still effective.

Most of it is as old as man too. Making your people scared of others bolstered by religion has caused many a war and a lot of carnage throughout history.

It is, however, ironic that white people are worried that migrants from Central America, who are largely Native American, would be bringing smallpox.

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dangerman  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:39:03pm

re: #180 jaunte

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Not all Texans.

we have armadillos but i’ve never seen that done here

one not pinned on florida man

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:39:08pm

re: #203 Blind Frog Belly White

Perhaps they’ll give us infected blankets. You know, as a peace offering.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:43:35pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:44:18pm

re: #37 ObserverArt

He will be shunned by the decent folks.

There will still be a big turnout because there are assholes that will back him and want to show up the Jewish citizens and their leaders.

The Trumpheads will travel from all over Pennsylvania and it wouldn’t surprise me if a bunch of Ohioans from the Youngstown/Warren area make it too.

I hope I am wrong.

I just heard on CNN that tomorrow is the day of the funerals. Where is he going?

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:45:28pm

re: #203 Blind Frog Belly White

It is, however, ironic that white people are worried that migrants from Central America, who are largely Native American, would be bringing smallpox.

Yep, just returning to their old homelands.

As far as irony, it only works on people able to understand the situation and the history of your particular example. Complete dumbasses so often have no feel for irony. They would first need to fully understand what the hell they are saying.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:48:08pm
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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 29, 2018 • 2:52:13pm

re: #195 whitebeach

US troops stand strong against leprous brown-skinned MS-13 ISIS pole vaulters.

Pole vaulters shouldn’t have much trouble clearing a triple standard.
Hell, easiest way to breach concertina obstacles is with a 6-to-10 foot ladder. lay it at angle against the fence and walk/run up it and jump to the ground on the other side.
And, if they were lazy/supplied, and didn’t add barbwire strands, just body breach. One person throws themselves on the wire, depresses it, and everyone else runs across them.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:02:23pm

re: #196 jaunte

For those of you who remember Lou Dobbs from CNN, you’ll recall his claim that migrants were bringing leprosy to the U.S. way back then. They are nothing but liars who push nonsense with impunity.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:08:38pm
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stpaulbear  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:11:26pm

re: #212 FormerDirtDart ????

So is Trump going to order them to shoot people on the Mexican side of the border?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:12:27pm

re: #213 stpaulbear

So is Trump going to order them to shoot people on the Mexican side of the border?

I’m going to go ahead and say he his…on November 5.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:14:28pm

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m going to go ahead and say he his…on November 5.

You mean when the caravan is still hundreds of miles away?

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Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:16:26pm

re: #213 stpaulbear

So is Trump going to order them to shoot people on the Mexican side of the border?

That was the Ann Coulter plan.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:18:16pm

So SHS doesn’t think that calling CNN the enemy of the people is inappropriate after last week? Really?

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:18:27pm

re: #213 stpaulbear

So is Trump going to order them to shoot people on the Mexican side of the border?

wouldn’t that constitute an act of war?

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plansbandc  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:18:47pm

Huckleberry Fib is damn near as horrible as the orange bag.

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:20:07pm

So, Trump is turning this Caravan? into an international crisis and Genghis Soros is paying for the Mongols to invade.

And where are all those Republicans expressing how nutty this is and how this makes America look to the world, even though we don’t look good now.

We are fortifying an internationally recognized border point of entry to scare a group of immigrants. And we are announcing we are prepared to shoot.

I can’t believe anyone would ever have to type that.

Damn, this country has really lost the plot. I as well all of us knew he would be bad, but he really is going all out to be as bad as he can.

And to add to it, he is being backed by his party even if it by their own wimpish reluctance to confront him.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:20:41pm

re: #207 Stanley Sea

You know Trump has no problem upstaging funerals. He wants all eyes on him. Narcissist-in-Chief.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:21:22pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:21:34pm

re: #221 Patricia Kayden

You know Trump has no problem upstaging funerals. He wants all eyes on him. Narcissist-in-Chief.

“Remember how I was supposed to LOSE Pennsylvania?…….”

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Mike Lamb  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:22:55pm

re: #219 plansbandc

Huckleberry Fib is damn near as horrible as the orange bag.

In some ways worse…Trump is hardwired to a festering asshole. Sanders is choosing to be a lamprey on his bloated ass.

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:23:18pm

re: #215 Blind Frog Belly White

You mean when the caravan is still hundreds of miles away?

If I was Mexico, I’d work to give them a place to stay until after the first of the year. Then release them with assistance into the American legal proceedings in smaller numbers.

Don’t even let them get within a couple hundred miles.

I’d do it as another “fuck you” to Trump and the Republicans.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:24:56pm
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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:27:48pm

re: #223 Blind Frog Belly White

“Remember how I was supposed to LOSE Pennsylvania?…….”

I’m imagining the ad lib to follow, something along the lines of:

but now I’d win by at least nine more votes, probably more… what? oh, they said not to say that, but you know what? those people don’t vote for me anyway. that’s ok, that’s ok, we don’t need them anyway…

and sadly, I’m not even sure that’d be enough to cut into his base at the end of the day.

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:28:38pm

re: #196 jaunte

In fairness, they are worried about their children and grandchildren catching the brown.

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:33:21pm
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BigPapa  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:33:56pm

So I’ve been wondering what Glenn Greenwald is gonna do with an obviously anti-LGBT fascist coming to power, one that Greenwald has criticized harshly.

As detestable as he is I have no desire for him to suffer at the hands of a dictator. If he travels to the US I wonder if INTEL will be waiting for him. He has to know he’d be much better off in a US prison than a Brazilian one.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:35:46pm

re: #230 BigPapa

So I’ve been wondering what Glenn Greenwald is gonna do with an obviously anti-LGBT fascist coming to power, one that Greenwald has criticized harshly.

As detestable as he is I have no desire for him to suffer at the hands of a dictator. If he travels to the US I wonder if INTEL will be waiting for him. He has to know he’d be much better off in a US prison than a Brazilian one.

He’s going to continue to sit in his sanctuary and explain how the US is worse.

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BigPapa  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:37:20pm

He still lives in Brazil. He’s gotta be worrying about the knock on the door in the middle of the night.

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whitebeach  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:40:42pm

re: #210 FormerDirtDart ????

Pole vaulters shouldn’t have much trouble clearing a triple standard.
Hell, easiest way to breach concertina obstacles is with a 6-to-10 foot ladder. lay it at angle against the fence and walk/run up it and jump to the ground on the other side.
And, if they were lazy/supplied, and didn’t add barbwire strands, just body breach. One person throws themselves on the wire, depresses it, and everyone else runs across them.

Lieutenant: OK, men, you all called heads except Riley. He called tails. Heads it is. Riley, hit that razor wire so we can run over you.

Riley: Fine with me sir. I may get cut up and bruised a little, but at least I can go back to the rear and have some coffee instead of running at them enemy machine guns.

Platoon (pause): Hey, Loot, flip again. Best two out of three.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:41:14pm

Okay, so just so y’all understand my family: I posted that picture of the bikers ostensibly heading toward “The Southern Boarder”.

An hour later, at exactly the same time, my Idiot Brother and I BOTH comment,

“Prepare to rappel, boarders”

Great minds, and all that.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:42:51pm

Evening Lizardim.

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plansbandc  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:44:51pm
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:46:42pm
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MsJ  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:48:54pm

re: #230 BigPapa

So I’ve been wondering what Glenn Greenwald is gonna do with an obviously anti-LGBT fascist coming to power, one that Greenwald has criticized harshly.

As detestable as he is I have no desire for him to suffer at the hands of a dictator. If he travels to the US I wonder if INTEL will be waiting for him. He has to know he’d be much better off in a US prison than a Brazilian one.

Meh. ˉ\_(ツ)_/ˉ WhatEv’s.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:52:39pm

re: #233 whitebeach

Lieutenant: OK, men, you all called heads except Riley. He called tails. Heads it is. Riley, hit that razor wire so we can run over you.

Riley: Fine with me sir. I may get cut up and bruised a little, but at least I can go back to the rear and have some coffee instead of running at them enemy machine guns.

Platoon (pause): Key, Loot, flip again. Best two out of three.

When I was a Squad Leader, one of my guys loved to do it. I got him a strip of old tent canvas, and he always had it ready when ever we were training. He must have done a few dozen breaches for me. Until a couple idiots from another platoon tried not to step in the middle of his back, and kicked him in the gnads,

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 29, 2018 • 3:59:45pm

A judge in Ecuador has ruled against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, rejecting his request to loosen new requirements that he says are meant to push him into leaving his asylum in the country’s embassy in London.

The judge, Karina Martínez, found that stricter rules recently imposed by the South American nation’s embassy - such as requiring Assange to pay for his internet and clean up after his cat - do not violate his asylum rights because authorities have the right to decide what is and isn’t allowed inside the building.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:00:36pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:01:51pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:02:28pm

re: #242 Targetpractice

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From the “no shit, Sherlock” department.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:03:04pm

re: #230 BigPapa

So I’ve been wondering what Glenn Greenwald is gonna do with an obviously anti-LGBT fascist coming to power, one that Greenwald has criticized harshly.

As detestable as he is I have no desire for him to suffer at the hands of a dictator. If he travels to the US I wonder if INTEL will be waiting for him. He has to know he’d be much better off in a US prison than a Brazilian one.

As a former officer who speaks Portuguese and who has traveled extensively in Brazil; and is highly conversant with that country’s history, politics, and culture; I have analyzed this situation in some depth. I conclude that Mr. Greenwald is up shit creek without a paddle.

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BigPapa  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:03:33pm

re: #242 Targetpractice

Ew.. yuck

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:04:43pm

re: #241 FormerDirtDart ????

So Adams County is where it belongs - Pennsyltucky.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:05:00pm

Stupid people tricks

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:07:57pm

re: #247 FormerDirtDart ????

Okay, people, that disclaimer at the start of every Mythbusters episode about, “Don’t try this at home?” THEY’RE FUCKING SERIOUS.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:08:02pm

Who could have imagined?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:08:08pm

re: #247 FormerDirtDart ????

Stupid people tricks

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Looks like a duel between wizards.

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can't think of a decent username  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:08:32pm

Y’all seen this yet? Two pastors at a religious freedom event quoted scripture at Jeff Sessions. They got escorted out by security and booed by other attendees.

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:09:29pm

re: #249 Single-handed sailor

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Who could have imagined?

Virtually every economist who didn’t have an (R) next to his name.

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Joe Bacon ??  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:13:15pm

re: #230 BigPapa

So I’ve been wondering what Glenn Greenwald is gonna do with an obviously anti-LGBT fascist coming to power, one that Greenwald has criticized harshly.

As detestable as he is I have no desire for him to suffer at the hands of a dictator. If he travels to the US I wonder if INTEL will be waiting for him. He has to know he’d be much better off in a US prison than a Brazilian one.

His Pal Putin will take good care of him.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:13:56pm

re: #249 Single-handed sailor

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Who could have imagined?

Well, it sparked investments in the 1%.

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:14:25pm

Speaking of the economy, remember how the wingnuts have spent virtually every day since June screaming “Q2 4.2%! WE’RE IN A BOOM!”? And notice that they haven’t said shit about Q3?

Yeah, that’s because Q3 slowed to 3.5%. And the economic forecast for Q4 is looking even poorer because of that trade war we’re “winning.”

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MsJ  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:16:58pm

re: #242 Targetpractice

They both want sex with animals??

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:17:41pm

re: #256 MsJ

They both want sex with animals??

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:18:22pm

re: #255 Targetpractice

Speaking of the economy, remember how the wingnuts have spent virtually every day since June screaming [wingnut”Q2 4.2%! WE’RE IN A BOOM!”[/wingnut]? And notice that they haven’t said shit about Q3?

Yeah, that’s because Q3 slowed to 3.5%. And the economic forecast for Q4 is looking even poorer because of that trade war we’re “winning.”

Best back-to-back economic growth EVAR!! Well, okay. Not EVAR. But the best in YEARS!! How many years? Um….4. Four years. Since 2014. You know, when B*r*ck *b*m* was President.

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William Lewis  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:21:39pm

re: #244 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

As a former officer who speaks Portuguese and who has traveled extensively in Brazil; and is highly conversant with that country’s history, politics, and culture; I have analyzed this situation in some depth. I conclude that Mr. Greenwald is up shit creek without a paddle.

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Soak him for big bribes till he’s too broke to pay, then jail and worse? Or simply ship him back to the US? No matter, being gay in Brazil is about to get extremely dangerous.

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plansbandc  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:24:11pm

Voted today. Really really REALLY want Grisham to be our next Governor. The last thing we need is another R Governor.

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:24:47pm

re: #255 Targetpractice

Speaking of the economy, remember how the wingnuts have spent virtually every day since June screaming [wingnut”Q2 4.2%! WE’RE IN A BOOM!”[/wingnut]? And notice that they haven’t said shit about Q3?

Yeah, that’s because Q3 slowed to 3.5%. And the economic forecast for Q4 is looking even poorer because of that trade war we’re “winning.”

I’ve got this feeling things are going to go bad next year. I mentioned up above, the stock markets are slightly below where they started the year. The unemployment numbers haven’t changed, nor apparently have real wages for a year and a half (at least). Economic growth seems to be falling off. Inflation, though still historically low, is ticking up ever so slightly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:25:17pm

For DoRango fans, since I’ve not been posting so many pics….

Here’s Dory, thinking she’s a cat:

Rango, my walkin’ buddy, checking out the comments on Canine Facebook

And later that day, Rango went outside and Dory followed him like a bratty, tag-along little sister, and then when Rango lay down in the sun, she wanted to be like him….

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Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:25:51pm

re: #244 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

As a former officer who speaks Portuguese and who has traveled extensively in Brazil; and is highly conversant with that country’s history, politics, and culture; I have analyzed this situation in some depth. I conclude that Mr. Greenwald is up shit creek without a paddle.

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Maybe Greenwald can move to the Ecuadoran Embassy in London and Assange can move to Brazil. Everybody wins!

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:30:14pm

re: #261 KGxvi

I’ve got this feeling things are going to go bad next year. I mentioned up above, the stock markets are slightly below where they started the year. The unemployment numbers haven’t changed, nor apparently have real wages for a year and a half (at least). Economic growth seems to be falling off. Inflation, though still historically low, is ticking up ever so slightly.

It’s the usual economic cycle with our political system: A Democrat got us on a steady if unexciting economic recovery, to which Republicans declared “That’s just not enough! We can do better!” and dumped rocket fuel (tax cuts & deregulation) on it. So the economic recovery was boosted for a shorter period, but the growth that was once sustainable is now overheating the economy. I would not be surprised if we’re in correction territory in the NYSE before New Years.

And by 2020, we’ll be told that Donny deserves a “second chance” to get the economy ticking at 4% annually like he promised, he just didn’t expect Democrats to so badly foul up the economy.

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Alephnaught  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:33:58pm

re: #222 jaunte

Where is this picture in the tweet coming from? Because, I’m pretty sure it’s not the US/Mexico border…

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:37:18pm

re: #264 Targetpractice

It’s the usual economic cycle with our political system: A Democrat got us on a steady if unexciting economic recovery, to which Republicans declared “That’s just not enough! We can do better!” and dumped rocket fuel (tax cuts & deregulation) on it. So the economic recovery was boosted for a shorter period, but the growth that was once sustainable is now overheating the economy. I would not be surprised if we’re in correction territory in the NYSE before New Years.

And by 2020, we’ll be told that Donny deserves a “second chance” to get the economy ticking at 4% annually like he promised, he just didn’t expect Democrats to so badly foul up the economy.

The weird thing is, the rocket fuel didn’t seem to really do anything. I think it’s all the fucked up trade nonsense that has really hurt us. That and the fact that you can only run so long at capacity, at least if you’re not seeing any sort of real wage growth.

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Teddy's Person  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:37:38pm

re: #251 can’t think of a decent username

Y’all seen this yet? Two pastors at a religious freedom event quoted scripture at Jeff Sessions. They got escorted out by security and booed by other attendees.

I watched that earlier. Jeff Sessions is garbage.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:38:39pm

re: #264 Targetpractice

It’s the usual economic cycle with our political system: A Democrat got us on a steady if unexciting economic recovery, to which Republicans declared “That’s just not enough! We can do better!” and dumped rocket fuel (tax cuts & deregulation) on it. So the economic recovery was boosted for a shorter period, but the growth that was once sustainable is now overheating the economy. I would not be surprised if we’re in correction territory in the NYSE before New Years.

And by 2020, we’ll be told that Donny deserves a “second chance” to get the economy ticking at 4% annually like he promised, he just didn’t expect Democrats to so badly foul up the economy.

“After 8 years of a living hell under Obama, Trump completely turned things around!”

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:39:40pm

re: #266 KGxvi

The weird thing is, the rocket fuel didn’t seem to really do anything. I think it’s all the fucked up trade nonsense that has really hurt us. That and the fact that you can only run so long at capacity, at least if you’re not seeing any sort of real wage growth.

In absence of the trade war, Donny might have been able to sustain the higher growth at least long enough to get through reelection. As-is, he’s creating a chaotic market that has no idea what the fuck to do because the traditional order has been totally upended by a petulant child who could walk out tomorrow and announce he’s placing a ban on all things made in China in the twisted belief that will move Beijing to bend a knee to him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:41:49pm

re: #266 KGxvi

The weird thing is, the rocket fuel didn’t seem to really do anything. I think it’s all the fucked up trade nonsense that has really hurt us. That and the fact that you can only run so long at capacity, at least if you’re not seeing any sort of real wage growth.

It did a little. It goosed GDP growth a smidgen, allowing for the best back-to-back quarters since…Obama. But all the analysts still see growth for the year in the 2-3 range. Gas prices won’t help growth, and rising interest rates and trade wars won’t either. Plus, you know, a lot of corporate America was sitting on enormous piles of cash they could have used anytime but didn’t. So absolutely zero surprise they haven’t used the influx from tax cuts, either.

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can't think of a decent username  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:43:37pm

re: #267 Teddy’s Person

I watched that earlier. Jeff Sessions is garbage.

The “Ah’m being attacked by the Bible” is irritating enough, but the other preachers booing people quoting the Bible are even worse…

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Teddy's Person  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:47:10pm

re: #271 can’t think of a decent username

The “Ah’m being attacked by the Bible” is irritating enough, but the other preachers booing people quoting the Bible are even worse…

When I watched it, I couldn’t tell if people were booing the ministers’ quoting the bible or booing because security escorted said ministers out of the room. I’ll have to watch again once I have the stomach for it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:49:10pm

The coin is starting to drop, even for dedicated Federalist Nichols.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:53:45pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:54:07pm

Worth noting that the same VP is a big fan of Conversion Therapy for gays. If you can’t beat them, beat them into joining you.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 29, 2018 • 4:59:13pm

White Jesus failed her badly. SAD.

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austin_blue  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:00:49pm

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

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Worth noting that the same VP is a big fan of Conversion Therapy for gays. If you can’t beat them, beat them into joining you.

Jews, gays, Demoncrats, whatever. All can be converted to the True Path Of Pence, the wise and wonderful.

Praise be.

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MsJ  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:00:54pm

re: #276 Patricia Kayden

White Jesus failed her badly. SAD.

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Womp womp.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:01:08pm

I’ll go back to the top of the thread and read, but I had an interesting discussion with the former chairman (mayor) of my village board. He is a staunch Republican supporter.

As someone noted on a previous thread, my Post Office discussion would spread within seconds across town, and wondered how that would affect my re?lection.

The mayor emeritus came by my house just as my wife and I were leaving to the water lab. He stopped to tell me that he thought I would win the election here in a landslide, considering what I do on the village board and my work on the water system, along with my answers to the questionnaire in the paper on positions affecting the village.

He also noted my Nazi-curious neighbour had gone round town a couple weeks ago knocking on every door (he didn’t come to mine quelle surprise) seeking votes and mostly was told to take a hike.

He went on to complain about our state senator passing out BS about healthcare (he is running for re?lection, alas there was no Democrat on the ballot to oppose him), praised the service he gets at the VA and is wondering why the GOP is trying to tank that, and talked about the plunging stock market essentially wiping out his mother (she is very old as our former mayor is a Vietnam vet). As our state senator is also Vietnam vet, he said he’s not sure he can trust those of his generation (and particularly Vietnam vets) to act in the interest of constituents.

So that was a surprise, as he specifically came to me to tell me that. Perhaps that talk was worthwhile at the Post Office. I thanked him for coming by my house and chatting.

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MsJ  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:01:27pm

re: #277 austin_blue

Jews, gays, Demoncrats, whatever. All can be converted to the True Path Of Pence, the wise and wonderful.

Praise be.

????????

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MsJ  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:04:20pm

re: #279 Anymouse ??

Good for you. Changing hearts and minds one vote at a time. You’re very good at it. Congratulations!!

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MsJ  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:05:24pm

re: #279 Anymouse ??

BTW, When OA asked you that this morning, that was the first thing that came to my mind when I read your exchange. I’m really glad it went well.

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ckkatz  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:07:18pm

re: #279 Anymouse ??

I’ll go back to the top of the thread and read, but I had an interesting discussion with the former chairman (mayor) of my village board. He is a staunch Republican supporter.

As someone noted on a previous thread, my Post Office discussion would spread within seconds across town, and wondered how that would affect my re?lection.

The mayor emeritus came by my house just as my wife and I were leaving to the water lab. He stopped to tell me that he thought I would win the election here in a landslide, considering what I do on the village board and my work on the water system, along with my answers to the questionnaire in the paper on positions affecting the village.

He also noted my Nazi-curious neighbour had gone round town a couple weeks ago knocking on every door (he didn’t come to mine quelle surprise) seeking votes and mostly was told to take a hike.

He went on to complain about our state senator passing out BS about healthcare (he is running for re?lection, alas there was no Democrat on the ballot to oppose him), praised the service he gets at the VA and is wondering why the GOP is trying to tank that, and talked about the plunging stock market essentially wiping out his mother (she is very old as our former mayor is a Vietnam vet). As our state senator is also Vietnam vet, he said he’s not sure he can trust those of his generation (and particularly Vietnam vets) to act in the interest of constituents.

So that was a surprise, as he specifically came to me to tell me that. Perhaps that talk was worthwhile at the Post Office. I thanked him for coming by my house and chatting.

There is a talent to be able to talk to everybody while still appearing sincere and believable.

I lack that talent. And I am impressed whenever I see it done well. It sounds like your mayor is a devout, and successful, practitioner of it.

Iirc, Machiavelli in his “The Prince” discusses the need for this talent.

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William Lewis  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:07:34pm

re: #279 Anymouse ??

I’ve always said that the only valid form of evangelism is by doing - living a way that inspires people. You do that politically and it’s working. Good for you.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:08:41pm

re: #277 austin_blue

Jews, gays, Demoncrats, whatever. All can be converted to the True Path Of Pence, the wise and wonderful.

Praise be.

Blessed be the fruit.

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ckkatz  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:12:46pm

re: #279 Anymouse ??

And congratulations on your work within your community! It sounds like you are slowly succeeding in persuading folks.

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gocart mozart  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:14:56pm

Don’t Be A Lawyer - feat. Burl Moseley - “Crazy Ex-Girlfriend”
Twenty years old, pretty smart kid
Didn’t know what I wanted to do
So I took the LSAT
And just like that
I got accepted at Glendale U

Everyone said it was a real safe bet
A prestigious and lucrative vocation
So I set off on a journey
To become an attorney
Without a moment’s hesitation

But here’s some free advice I’m givin’
When it comes to decidin’ what to do for a livin’

(Chorus 1)
Don’t be a lawyer!
Don’t do it! Quickest way to ruin your life
Don’t be a lawyer!
Not worth it! It’ll leave you dead inside

The job is inherently crappy
That’s why you’ve never met a lawyer who’s happy
It’s a guaranteed soul destroyer
Don’t be a lawyer

(Verse 2)
Law school debt
Daily regret
Is that really what you dreamed as a kid?
Or did you hope one day
That you’d find a way
To spend four years workin’ on a pharmaceutical company’s merger with another pharmaceutical company?

Your only expertise
Is runnin’ up fees
Speakin’ legalese like a dick
But it’s not too late
To avoid this fate
Find any other job to pick

Sure, your parents might think you’re a failure
But no one’s ever said, “First, let’s kill all the tailors.”

(Chorus 2)
Don’t be a lawyer!
I’m serious, it really, really sucks
Don’t be a lawyer!
No one you work with looks like Ally McBeal

There are so many other professions
That don’t turn you into Jeff Sessions
Just say no to the lawyer employer
No, don’t be a lawyer

(Bridge)
[AJ]
What about human rights law?

[JIM]
No money, no, no money

[AJ]
Environmental law?

[JIM]
No money, even less money

[AJ]
Immigration law?

[JIM]
No money, plus it’s a bummer

[AJ]
Okay, but what if you make it to the Supreme Court?

[JIM]
It’d be great to be on the Supreme Court
But you’ll never be on the Supreme Court
There’s truly no chance of that happenin’

(Spoken Interlude)
[LAWYER]
The preceding song in no way reflects the views of CBS and the CW network
Ah, screw it

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austin_blue  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:18:05pm

re: #285 Blind Frog Belly White

Blessed be the fruit.

Of Thy Womb, Jesus.

// Agnostic.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:20:35pm

re: #288 austin_blue

Of Thy Womb, Jesus.

// Agnostic.

Or as Dad used to say (in a fake Irish accent), “Hail Mary, full of grease, may the lard be with you”

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Anymouse ??  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:21:03pm

re: #2 jaunte

What is this sudden concern for TB (aside from the usual racist dogwhistle in this country for two hundred years that “immigrants bring disease” and OMYGODTERRORHORROR-HAIRONFIRE)?

I have latent TB. TB is not as common as it was one hundred years ago, but it was certainly not stamped out in this nation.

According to WHO, the incidence rate of TB for Guatemala has steadily dropped, and is now 2 per 100,000 people. Honduras has also dropped and is 4.5 per 100,000. El Salvador is 1.5 per 100,000. The United States is at 0.2 per 100,000.

So the incidence is higher in those nations vis the USA. Canada is also higher (0.3 per 100,000).

So if we had a so-called caravan with 100,000 people in it, you could expect to find four or five people with TB or latent TB (which is not contagious).

It’s almost as if physicians couldn’t find that if you set up proper processing, considering the long lead time.

And if they came here “legally” (meaning we’d rather they didn’t, but if they did, buy a plane ticket or something), anyone with TB could still bring it in.

Other nut jobs are bringing up the alleged incidence of other diseases to make the big scary conservative claim “they’re diseased.”

Gaa I am so sick of scaremongering. who.int
(Tuberculosis by country)

And by the way, TB is fairly easily driven into latency with antibiotics. That’s why we have them.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:30:45pm

re: #283 ckkatz

There is a talent to be able to talk to everybody while still appearing sincere and believable.

I lack that talent. And I am impressed whenever I see it done well. It sounds like your mayor is a devout, and successful, practitioner of it.

Iirc, Machiavelli in his “The Prince” discusses the need for this talent.

I’m not very good at that; I express myself better through writing. That said, I try to be sincere.

If someone comes to me with a question (especially outside a board meeting) and I can’t answer it, I will write it down and tell the person “I don’t know, but I’ll get back to you with an answer.” I then make sure I follow up on that and get them the answer. They might not like it, but they got it.

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:32:27pm

re: #290 Anymouse ??

White people worry about brown people being “plague rats” who will bring in a new disease/epidemic that will wipe out millions.

Meanwhile, Native Americans just roll their eyes and make a wanking motion about the white man worrying about “illegals” bringing in diseases.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:36:09pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:36:19pm

re: #291 BigPapa

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Video

Good video and all as expected.

He’s right the media needs to not invite Conway on and if she asks ignore her.

Really it should be the same for anyone that has been with Trump and still protects him, say like Anthony “The Mooch” Scaramucci.

And as far as Sarah Huckebee’s Sanders…send in one press pool writer and one camera to the press room briefings. Ask the same questions over and over and let Sarah ignore it. Then pack up and walk out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:40:56pm

JFC

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:44:46pm

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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Don’t Christians usually preach against selling your soul?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:45:18pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

A former ICE agent says migrants might have smallpox and leprosy.

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Did you say “ex-leper”?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:45:47pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:46:17pm

re: #298 ObserverArt

Good video and all as expected.

He’s right the media needs to not invite Conway on and if she asks ignore her.

Really it should be the same for anyone that has been with Trump and still protects him, say like Anthony “The Mooch” Scaramucci.

And as far as Sarah Huckebee’s Sanders…send in one press pool writer and one camera to the press room briefings. Ask the same questions over and over and let Sarah ignore it. Then pack up and walk out.

Like I said yesterday, if they’re gonna have these morons on for interviews, they need to either say or run a disclaimer somewhere in the show that they’re contractually bound by Trump not to disparage him in any way. That way, viewers know that when they’re polishing his ass, it’s because they could get sued if they didn’t.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:46:25pm

re: #301 Targetpractice

Don’t Christians usually preach against selling your soul?

pretty sure none of the “true believers” involved in this event has a soul

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:46:50pm

re: #303 The Vicious Babushka

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Exactly. There’s a word for ‘Messianic Jews” - Christians.

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:47:15pm

re: #296 gocart mozart

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I’m liking Chicano Batman. They have a unique R&B soulful Latino vibe and fun lyrics.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:51:57pm

re: #306 Blind Frog Belly White

Exactly. There’s a word for ‘Messianic Jews” - Christians.

Reform, Conservative, Orthodox, Hasidic, Secular, Reconstructionist, Humanist, are all different streams of Judaism that may or may not agree on some aspects of belief & observance.

There is no “Christian” stream of Judaism. That is Christianity. Full stop.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:52:23pm

A nuber of my FB friends post rescue dogs in their areas. One caught my eye, not so much because the dog is cute - they’re ALL cute! - but because the description suggested either an alternative method of reproduction in dogs, or a human with no clue how genetics work.

“2/3 chihuahua 1/3 miniature Italian greyhound.”

I’m curious how they came up with the fractions.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:53:50pm

re: #309 The Vicious Babushka

Reform, Conservative, Orthodox, Hasidic, Secular, Reconstructionist, Humanist, are all different streams of Judaism that may or may not agree on some aspects of belief & observance.

There is no “Christian” stream of Judaism. That is Christianity. Full stop.

Gazackly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:54:26pm

the moron is off and blathering:

and of course…

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:54:38pm

The Kedoshei Pittsburgh are martyrs of the highest level, because they were murdered while at prayer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:55:52pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

that @BlacksForTrump5 account is a shiny new one

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:56:55pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

the moron is off and blathering:

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What normal people consider “FAKE NEWS” = media sources that do not report the truth.

What Trump considers “FAKE NEWS” = media sources that do not kiss his ass all the time.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 29, 2018 • 5:57:12pm

re: #250 Blind Frog Belly White

Flareon vs. Vaporeon!

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William Lewis  Oct 29, 2018 • 6:01:28pm

re: #303 The Vicious Babushka

I’ve read and studied the Pirke Avot and other really basic Jewish sources as a way to illuminate and understand the origins of the Christianity I claim to profess. When I do so, I feel I respect that tradition. But this little freak disrespects everybody - Jew, Christian, Jesus and G*d - with his pretense. His hate for Jews is little different than that of the shooter on Saturday and his goal is the same.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 29, 2018 • 6:09:19pm

re: #83 Blind Frog Belly White

Pretty sure they don’t count my pasty white ass among REAL? Americans, what with the atheism and the college education and all.

EDIT: to clarify - not disagreeing with your point. Simply refining.

Or mine, what with the atheism and DSA membership. On the other hand, there’s the disabled veteran thing. Schrodinger’s ‘Murican?

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uriel  Oct 29, 2018 • 7:48:15pm

re: #316 GlutenFreeJesus

Flareon vs. Vaporeon!

Now you’re just being silly. Vaporeon clearly wins that fight.


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