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teleskiguy  Oct 29, 2018 • 10:32:35pm

Oooooh Biker

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wheat-dogg  Oct 29, 2018 • 10:33:23pm

Whenever I see Trump I want to scream at the top of my lungs that I hate his guts.

His 9/11 lie also pisses me off, not just because I’m a New Yorker but also because it is so demonstrably untrue. Yet his idiot base will go along with it, because Fearless Leader said the NYSE was open on 9/12, buh-leve me!

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 29, 2018 • 10:34:19pm

re: #1 teleskiguy

Good choice.

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plansbandc  Oct 29, 2018 • 10:34:48pm

Ruth Vader Ginsburg

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wheat-dogg  Oct 29, 2018 • 10:40:45pm

OT, but interesting to me as an expat, college grads with ginormous student loan debts are skipping town to work overseas.

cnbc.com

It’s not just recent college grads who have discovered the advantages of working abroad. Many teaching gigs in Asia offer either free lodging or rent assistance, and public transport is often more convenient than driving a car. Those were two of my biggest expenses while living the States, and without those costs, I was left with more disposable income working in China for a fraction of my US income than I was in the States. I crunched the numbers, and I was amazed.

My own kids are lucky enough to have their student loans under control. My daughter will pay her last installment this year, and her husband (who has a well paying job) will finish his in two more. My son, currently between jobs, had a lots of scholarship and grant money, so his payments are not so bad. One of the students interviewed by CNBC had to pay $700 a month to service her loan. Holy sheet.

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whitebeach  Oct 29, 2018 • 10:41:13pm

re: #1 teleskiguy

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I think the originals had a few communication problems too. But I like this Cleo’s kiss-my-asp look.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 29, 2018 • 10:43:34pm

re: #1 teleskiguy

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These Cleopatra costumes never fail to amuse me. The one thing we know for sure about Cleopatra VII’s appearance is that she was a redhead. (The last of the Ptolemies, and the first one to bother learning to speak Egyptian.)

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Anymouse ??  Oct 29, 2018 • 10:45:14pm

Left hanging on the last thread because I was watching the Cobert clip then went back to the previous thread and forgot where I was:

re: #90 Odie Hugh Manatee

re: #94 Anymouse ??

Fighting the good fight across the country, a few people at a time. Hopefully things will improve in your area if there are more folks like the sous-chef you described.

Democrats, according to conventional wisdom, aren’t supposed to fight back. (We also don’t own guns and hate fiscal responsibility.)

When presented with pushback against obvious lies, Republicans are left flailing, because they’ve swallowed too much of their own propaganda; they don’t know how to respond.

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teleskiguy  Oct 29, 2018 • 10:48:55pm

Dirty humor of a sexual nature behind the click.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 29, 2018 • 10:52:49pm

I was notified that I had been CL’d on the last thread, so one more time… with feeling! :)

We’ve had that bullshit anti-Semitic crap infest our local Republican party here in our small town of Brookings, OR. A local MAGAhead printed up a flyer they are passing out at their usual red tent on our main drag and posting all over the utility poles all over town (against public ordinances but little details like that don’t bother Republicans). The flyer rails against local terrorists known as “INDIVISIBLE 97415” (IOW, local pink hat wearing women who banded together after the Trump protests) who are funded by “GEORGE SOROS”, backing local “DEMOCRAT CANDIDATES” and working to defeat the “TRUMP AGENDA”. Lots of exclamations, bolding, italics, underscoring and yellow highlighting included for extra emphatic emphasis!!! Oh, and some more !!!!!

A good friend of ours who happens to be the sous chef at a local restaurant heard about the flyer and decided to head on over to have a talk with them. Let’s just preface this by saying that he’s not the kind of guy you interrupt and he took advantage of that. I can’t even begin to tell his story but the part where he looks at a the old ladies working the tent and asking them “So you’re OK with your daughters and granddaughters just cooking and having babies and no rights of their own?” just killed me. He told them that their Soros story was “bullshit” and anti-Semetic to boot. He also brought up Republicans embracing white nationalists and encouraging them to act out. He said that every time the men started spluttering, he just cut them off and rolled on over them. He ended it by telling them to check out the bumper stickers on his truck, all local Democrats he is backing. He ended it by saying good bye and walking away while they spluttered (but dared not call him back).

I’m now working on a Republican friend of ours who is starting to get pretty uncomfortable with the direction of his party. This guy is a racist (GOB from JAW-JA) a former prison guard in Cali and even he’s starting to distance himself from voting Republican. I’m working to get him to at least change his registration to small “i” independent. He’s not a bad guy in the sense that once he figured out that I’m not a racist, he cut the bullshit out. We have some pretty good/spirited conversations but he is a person who changes his mind when presented facts, which is sadly a rarity among conservatives.

I haven’t been commenting much because pain (OK, more pain) has made sitting for any length of time very uncomfortable. It seems that an MRI that I insisted I get (over my doctor’s advice) shows extensive disc narrowing in my lower spine from L1 to L4, with impingement at L3. The Doc thought more exercise would fix things up but after a couple of weeks of that I told him that while exercising is good, I’m in reasonable fit shape. My other question to him was when would the grinding and pain in my lower spine stop? He finally agreed to the MRI and the day afterward his nurse called me, gave me the results and told me that they were referring me to a neurosurgeon. The neuro is now reviewing the MRI and we’re waiting for his recommendation.

At least the Doc finally let loose the painkillers (5 Mg. Oxycodone 4X a day) which when combined with 400 Mg. of Advil 3X a day, allows me to keep moving and getting shit done. I’ve also added in 225 Mg of CBD (75 Mg. 3X a day), which makes a big difference in keeping the inflammation down. I’m still able to work and get stuff done around the house but I have to be careful or I’ll be flat on my back again. Sitting for any length of time sucks though but that’s the least of my problems…lol!

Regarding the synagogue shooting; Trump, the Republican party, Fox News, and the knuckledragging base (like our locals) who have been pushing the bullshit Soros conspiracy stories have the victims blood on all of their hands. They can proudly proclaim “We built this!” when it comes to the hate and division they have sown across our nation. There is no deniability here, the killer himself said that the Soros stories, inflammatory lies about the migrant caravan and Trump not stopping the caravan prompted him to attack the synagogue and kill Jews. He was reading and hearing about all of these horrible people who were coming to invade his country and since Trump and the Republicans wouldn’t act to save us, he was going to do it all by himself!

The MAGAbomber? That’s Trump’s baby, 101% of the way. Trump’s rants inspired the MAGAbomber to make a list of people that he was going to bomb, just to show his love for Adolph Jr. in the White House.

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teleskiguy  Oct 29, 2018 • 10:55:30pm

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wheat-dogg  Oct 29, 2018 • 10:57:51pm

re: #7 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

These Cleopatra costumes never fail to amuse me. The one thing we know for sure about Cleopatra VII’s appearance is that she was a redhead. (The last of the Ptolemies, and the first one to bother learning to speak Egyptian.)

As a yoot, I vaguely remember some National Geographic depictions of ancient Egyptian women wearing rather filmy garments, enough to expose their breasts. (Young boys tend to notice these things.) Given the climate in Egypt, it would make sense to wear a little as possible.

IIRC, Spartan women were known for wearing only a bolt of cloth that fit around the head and was tied with a belt around the waist. They reportedly wore nothing underneath. They could also probably kill any man who tried to take a peek.

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teleskiguy  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:03:24pm

There was a school shooting today. In North Carolina.

This is the only tweet that showed up in my feed that reflected this fact.

Kids shooting kids in school over pointless squabbles. It’s just a thing that happens. It’s not even news.

16-year-old charged with murder in shooting death of classmate at North Carolina high school | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:08:38pm

re: #8 Anymouse ??

Sometimes some pushback is all that is needed. My wife has a friend that I’ve mentioned here before. Her friend doesn’t like to come over as much lately since I tend to talk politics at times (appropriate times, she just doesn’t like what I’ve said). They recently went out with another friend of theirs, a older lady who has no qualms about talking about stuff that makes my wife’s friend uncomfortable (their older friend is an avowed Democrat who despises Trump). My wife told me afterward that they both plied their uncomfortable friend with the latest in Trump and Republican crap and this time she tried the “But I’m not like that!”, to which they responded with “We know! Why are you voting for this crap?!”

Her defense was that she was voting as her husband did. They pointed out that no matter what he says, public perception is that Republicans are snuggling up to white nationalists, anti-Semites and outright NAZI sympathizers while attacking minorities, immigrants and women’s rights and our very form of government. My wife doesn’t know if she will change her mind but the good news is that her friend says that she’s tired of her husband listening to Fox News all day and night and then ranting about it afterward (He’s retired, she’s taking a break from work).

If we can reach out to the ones not in it too deep and get through to them, we can reduce the numbers of the Republican base.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:09:39pm

re: #12 wheat-dogg

As a yoot, I vaguely remember some National Geographic depictions of ancient Egyptian women wearing rather filmy garments, enough to expose their breasts. (Young boys tend to notice these things.) Given the climate in Egypt, it would make sense to wear a little as possible.

IIRC, Spartan women were known for wearing only a bolt of cloth that fit around the head and was tied with a belt around the waist. They reportedly wore nothing underneath. They could also probably kill any man who tried to take a peek.

When I was in elementary school our library had every National Geographic from 1888 to 1968. I perused them all over the 3rd-6th grade.

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whitebeach  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:11:14pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

Dirty humor of a sexual nature behind the click.

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Well, I may not have a complete handle on all of it, but it seems that her one main preference is clear.

Signed,

Lefty

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:23:37pm

State record hog killed yesterday in Arkansas, 986 pounds. Behind privacy screen because it is a dead animal trophy pic. I normally don’t post pics like this, and don’t take them myself, but I decided to do so this time so those who are interested would have some idea what we are up against with the feral hog population. I have never seen one this big, but 400-500 pounds is common. These are by far the most numerous really dangerous animals in North America.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:27:53pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:30:25pm

re: #17 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Holy shit! What’d the hunter use, a .50 cal?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:32:22pm

JFC
This is not helpful. Note though that he GOP shill has no trouble identifying the culprit’s affiliation even though police still have no idea who they are.
Shots fired into Volusia County Republican Party satellite office, police say

At least four shots were fired into the Volusia County Republican Party’s office in South Daytona, police said Monday.

No one was injured, according to South Daytona police Capt. Mark Cheatham, but the shooting broke the offices’ front window and caused some damage to the drywall inside.

Cheatham said a volunteer reported the incident on Monday, which could’ve happened between Sunday afternoon and Monday morning at the office located at 2841 South Nova Road.

No eyewitnesses have been identified and investigators are in the process of tracking down surveillance footage from neighboring businesses, Cheatham said.

Volusia County Republican chair Tony Ledbetter, told WFTV that “some sick person,” which he identified as “Democrats,” took their anger out on his office.

“You’ve got some sick person, and I’ll call them out, they’re Democrats. No Republican has any reason to come attack our location,” Ledbetter said.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:33:09pm

Thread:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:43:02pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

Holy shit! What’d the hunter use, a .50 cal?

Possibly, would have to be close. I use a .45/70 for this. I’ve thought about upgrading to a .458 Mag but that would require either a bolt action, which is too slow for a follow up shot on a charging boar, or a double side by side, which is very expensive.
I have seen video of slobs blazing away with AR-15s at feral hogs. Made me physically ill. They would be “ill” too if the hogs suddenly turned on them. It is amazing that there have been no human fatalities in recent years but it is probably only a matter of time.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:45:59pm

Republicans are experts at missing the point.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:53:22pm

re: #23 goddamnedfrank

Dylann Roof killed African-Americans at a time we had an AA president who said nothing about anybody hurting anyone.

Robert Bowers killed Jewish people at a time we had an ostensibly Christian president, who has been encouraging racial and religious retributions since he started his campaign.

These are not comparable situations.

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piratedan  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:54:40pm

re: #23 goddamnedfrank

JFC, are they REALLY that fucking obtuse? Do they think Obama was to blame for Charleston because he had the audacity to be Presedentin’ while black?

REALLY?

Really, what rhetoric did Obama use to make whites feel disenfranchised Ms. Haley? What did he say that triggered him think that the only recourse that Roof had was to walk into an house of worship and murder everyone?

Who was racially dividing the country, Obama by getting elected or by the millions of people who were losing their collected shit over a black man being elected to the highest office in the nation that they sent unprecedented amounts of hate mail excoriating his very existence and caused the GOP to turn to treason to make sure that they wouldn’t lose the NEXT election….

Jaysus…. these people aren’t deplorable, they’re simply unredeemable.

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William Lewis  Oct 29, 2018 • 11:55:32pm

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Possibly, would have to be close. I use a .45/70 for this. I’ve thought about upgrading to a .458 Mag but that would require either a bolt action, which is too slow for a follow up shot on a charging boar, or a double side by side, which is very expensive.
I have seen video of slobs blazing away with AR-15s at feral hogs. Made me physically ill. They would be “ill” too if the hogs suddenly turned on them. It is amazing that there have been no human fatalities in recent years but it is probably only a matter of time.

30-06 is good with the right bullets.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 12:00:29am

re: #25 piratedan

JFC, are they REALLY that fucking obtuse? Do they think Obama was to blame for Charleston because he had the audacity to be Presedentin’ while black?

REALLY?

Really, what rhetoric did Obama use to make whites feel disenfranchised Ms. Haley? What did he say that triggered him think that the only recourse that Roof had was to walk into an house of worship and murder everyone?

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Presidenting while black.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 12:05:02am

Cornell U halts cooperative arrangement with Renmin U in China over suppression of students’ support of unionization.

ft.com

It’s ironic that the Worker’s Revolution of the 1940s created anything but a worker’s paradise. My students don’t even know what a labor union is.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 30, 2018 • 12:17:00am

re: #23 goddamnedfrank

No they aren’t, they are deliberately playing stupid so they can get their talking point out. Being right about something isn’t the point for them and hasn’t been for a long time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 30, 2018 • 12:17:26am

re: #14 Odie Hugh Manatee

If we can reach out to the ones not in it too deep and get through to them, we can reduce the numbers of the Republican base.

I hardly find that possible. It is about motivating enough voters who are not Republican base to gain an electoral majority despite gerrymandering and active voter suppression.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 12:23:52am

re: #30 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I hardly find that possible. It is about motivating enough voters who are not Republican base to gain an electoral majority despite gerrymandering and active voter suppression.

Well, locally, I have to deal with the facts on the ground. Those facts are my town is overwhelmingly Republican supporters, many of who don’t really understand the Republican platform and agenda and pull the (R) lever (figuratively, since we have mail voting) because they always have.

It was uplifting to talk with our former mayor yesterday morning, saying he thought I would win re?lection here in a landslide (well, a landslide is a few dozen votes). We’ll see … it isn’t over until it’s over and the county clerk and Secretary of State certify the results. (I still have my framed letter from the state from the last election on my “love me” wall stating I was certified as winning the last election in my town - and my terms run in the midterm elections.)

Well, I’m off to bed. It was a long day. Try to hold the Republic together until I return.

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sagehen  Oct 30, 2018 • 12:31:37am

re: #7 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

These Cleopatra costumes never fail to amuse me. The one thing we know for sure about Cleopatra VII’s appearance is that she was a redhead. (The last of the Ptolemies, and the first one to bother learning to speak Egyptian.)

Was she a natural redhead, or did she dye it that color?

Also, King David was a redhead. I wonder if that’s a coincidence.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 30, 2018 • 12:34:38am
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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 30, 2018 • 12:35:32am

re: #24 wheat-dogg

Republicans know these two situations aren’t even close to being comparable but that doesn’t matter to them. The line about a lie traveling halfway around the world while the truth is just getting out of bed and putting on its shoes is now the operative philosophy of the Republican party of today. While the truth is struggling to get out to everyone the Republicans have an eager audience waiting for some tasty bullshit that fits their preconceived notions. Any time something comes up that puts the Republicans in a bad light, they fire back with an outright lie that isn’t meant for those of us who can think. We can see that they are lying but they don’t care.

Ever notice that whenever there is some disaster for Republicans to deal with that they can’t get their talking points together on, their supporters are strangely quiet? They are waiting for the lies from Fox News and other conservative outlets. The Republican party members know that they have so poisoned the minds of their supporters against their fellow Americans of a different stripe that their base will eagerly snap up and regurgitate whatever lies the party eventually puts out.

Pointing out the truth afterwards is fruitless, the intended damage has already been done.

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sagehen  Oct 30, 2018 • 12:37:03am

re: #20 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

JFC
This is not helpful. Note though that he GOP shill has no trouble identifying the culprit’s affiliation even though police still have no idea who they are.
Shots fired into Volusia County Republican Party satellite office, police say

“You’ve got some sick person, and I’ll call them out, they’re Democrats. No Republican has any reason to come attack our location,” Ledbetter said.

false flag false flag false flag

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 12:40:18am

re: #35 Odie Hugh Manatee

Still, I persist.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 30, 2018 • 12:40:49am

re: #30 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have no argument with that and I’m not saying that I am counting on a single Republican vote to change in a few days. I’m saying that in the meantime we need to keep chipping away at the weakest portions of their base.

I’m all for weakening my enemy and talk is far better than the other options.

re: #37 wheat-dogg

I hear you and agree.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 30, 2018 • 12:56:23am

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Possibly, would have to be close. I use a .45/70 for this. I’ve thought about upgrading to a .458 Mag but that would require either a bolt action, which is too slow for a follow up shot on a charging boar, or a double side by side, which is very expensive.
I have seen video of slobs blazing away with AR-15s at feral hogs. Made me physically ill. They would be “ill” too if the hogs suddenly turned on them. It is amazing that there have been no human fatalities in recent years but it is probably only a matter of time.

For wild boar in woods like that with such short ranges I’d want my CMP Garand, with the adjustable gas plug dialed for a heavy game loads.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 30, 2018 • 12:57:32am

re: #33 sagehen

Was she a natural redhead, or did she dye it that color?

Also, King David was a redhead. I wonder if that’s a coincidence.

Being Macedonian/Greek, it was undoubtedly natural. She was the first of the dynasty to consider the natives as anything but cattle, and actually learned the language, so she might have affected a black wig or hair dye to pose as Queen of Egypt….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 30, 2018 • 1:03:34am

re: #38 Odie Hugh Manatee

I have no argument with that and I’m not saying that I am counting on a single Republican vote to change in a few days. I’m saying that in the meantime we need to keep chipping away at the weakest portions of their base.

I’m all for weakening my enemy and talk is far better than the other options.

I hear you and agree.

By my definition, the “base” constitutes the people who would not only vote for Trump if he shot someone down on 5th Avenue, they would cheer him on for having done so.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 1:05:31am

A small moment of fame pour moi. I was quoted in the latest Quartz Obsession email:

LET’S TALK!
In Friday’s poll about sous vide, 45% of you say you favor fire, while 31% of you love it. ?? John writes: “It’s a great way to convince home cooks to spend excessive amounts of time, electricity and money to produce a meal that could otherwise be prepped in less time using less energy using plain old cookware that didn’t cost an arm and a leg to buy. “

I prefaced my remark by saying I have never tried sous vide cooking nor eaten any food prepared that way. The cynic in me says it’s just another hoity-toity food fad that will fade away after several months, like the paleo diet.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 30, 2018 • 1:06:30am

re: #42 wheat-dogg

A small moment of fame pour moi. I was quoted in the latest Quartz Obsession email:

I prefaced my remark by saying I have never tried sous vide cooking nor eaten any food prepared that way. The cynic in me says it’s just another hoity-toity food fad that will fade away after several months, like the paleo diet.

I used to own a crock pot, same principle. I did have some sous vide pheasant last year and found it excellent.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 30, 2018 • 1:11:52am

re: #41 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My definition of his base is every single asshole who votes for him, for whatever reason. I picture myself as a verbal lion…

I’m picking off the weak ones in the herd. :)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 30, 2018 • 1:17:38am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I used to own a crock pot, same principle. I did have some sous vide pheasant last year and found it excellent.

I use our induction burners exclusively now. Haven’t used the stovetop for a couple of years at least. They’re great for poaching fish, for example—set the temp you want and forget it. It won’t go above it, so it can’t overcook. A poor-man’s sous vide cooker.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 30, 2018 • 1:20:50am

A comment at Balloon Juice…

Well, apparently Matt Drudge (yes, that Drudge) is calling out his beloved GoP for hypocrisy over the recent shootings. Only 3 tweets from that twit ever which I find hard to believe, but apparently it is indeed him.

Drudge? Whoa, this is gonna ruffle a lot of feathers. Get the hot tar ready!

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teleskiguy  Oct 30, 2018 • 1:30:54am

Drudge has tweeted many times, I’ll say it’s in the hundreds at least. But his tweets are always deleted sooner or later.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 30, 2018 • 1:35:13am

re: #47 teleskiguy

Yeah but this time he’s taking aim at his own. I’m rooting for injuries on both sides.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 1:37:20am

re: #45 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I use our induction burners exclusively now. Haven’t used the stovetop for a couple of years at least. They’re great for poaching fish, for example—set the temp you want and forget it. It won’t go above it, so it can’t overcook. A poor-man’s sous vide cooker.

As much I scorn new-fangled cooking methods, I did break down and buy a Chinese version of the Instant Pot, which is itself nothing more than a pressure cooker with a “brain.” I had left my rice cooker behind when I moved to my new city, because one came with the old apartment and I had replaced it myself. My new accommodations did not provide a rice cooker, so I decided to go a step further and get the “smart” pressure cooker. It cooks rice in half the time and I can cook lots of other stuff in it besides.

I also have a microwave, a tea kettle and an induction cooker. The university thoughtfully provided a wok, two steel cookpots and an aluminum fry pan. Guess which one doesn’t get hot.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 1:38:01am

re: #27 Anymouse ??

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Presidenting while black.

Obama knew how divisive it was to be black while President, and he did it anyway.//

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 30, 2018 • 1:41:03am

re: #50 Big Beautiful Door

Obama knew how divisive it was to be black while President, and he did it anyway.//

He had the nerve to be intelligent, elegant and erudite when he knew damn well that most of us were stupid, hapless and crude

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 30, 2018 • 1:46:34am

re: #49 wheat-dogg

As much I scorn new-fangled cooking methods, I did break down and buy a Chinese version of the Instant Pot, which is itself nothing more than a pressure cooker with a “brain.” I had left my rice cooker behind when I moved to my new city, because one came with the old apartment and I had replaced it myself. My new accommodations did not provide a rice cooker, so I decided to go a step further and get the “smart” pressure cooker. It cooks rice in half the time and I can cook lots of other stuff in it besides.

I also have a microwave, a tea kettle and an induction cooker. The university thoughtfully provided a wok, two steel cookpots and an aluminum fry pan. Guess which one doesn’t get hot.

No guesses. I bought a stainless steel chicken fryer that I thought would work great on the induction burner. I knew it had a big aluminum plate in the bottom, but it was plated with steel all the way around. Imagine my surprise when it didn’t work at all.

In my defense, we had a saucepan with the same type of construction and it worked fine.

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MsJ  Oct 30, 2018 • 1:47:24am
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 30, 2018 • 2:08:25am

That sure looks like an endorsement, Jake.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 30, 2018 • 2:09:56am
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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 30, 2018 • 2:25:03am

I was just checking out the temperatures in central Oregon and saw that it’s currently 212.2 degrees at the camera located at US-20 and Hampton.

It’s a scorcher!

ETA: It’s 24.2 degrees 42 miles west of there. Somewhere in between those two places its gotta be nice!

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 30, 2018 • 2:38:49am

re: #56 Odie Hugh Manatee

I was just checking out the temperatures in central Oregon and saw that it’s currently 212.2 degrees at the camera located at US-20 and Hampton.

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ETA: It’s 24.2 degrees 42 miles west of there. Somewhere in between those two places its gotta be nice!

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 30, 2018 • 2:43:31am

We’re starting to see some days where the highs are barely 73. Nights are dropping below 50. I don’t like this cold weather.

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teleskiguy  Oct 30, 2018 • 2:51:00am

I want blizzards.

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freetoken  Oct 30, 2018 • 2:53:53am

re: #59 teleskiguy

I want blizzards.

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teleskiguy  Oct 30, 2018 • 2:58:47am

re: #60 freetoken

Eh? I was thinking more like

Giphy

Giphy

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teleskiguy  Oct 30, 2018 • 2:59:06am
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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 3:04:30am

Take with grain of salt: Trump wants to terminate birthright citizenship for children of non-citizens.

axios.com

Axios is not always reliable, not to mention Trump shoots from the hip with all kinds of shit, but this is huge if true.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 30, 2018 • 3:09:05am

re: #63 wheat-dogg

I’ve heard that before, back in 2017. Luckily, my children have an American mother. This president is a ****.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 30, 2018 • 3:10:04am

re: #64 Single-handed sailor

I’ve heard that before, back in 2017. Luckily, my children have an American mother. This president is a ****.

I’m sorry I meant to say coont.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 30, 2018 • 3:32:21am

re: #58 Single-handed sailor

Currently 50 here, expected to be 61 today. Pretty much normal for the south Oregon coast. In fact, it’s mostly 50’s to 60’s here just about all the time. We get our brief dips and peaks in the winter and summer but otherwise it’s as I said above.

It may rain a bit here at times but at least I don’t have to scrape ice from my car windows or shovel snow!

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 30, 2018 • 3:34:27am

re: #65 Single-handed sailor

We have a good friend in Australia who refers to her friends as ‘that C-word’. It takes a bit of getting used to but at least there it’s used in a friendly way…lol!

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teleskiguy  Oct 30, 2018 • 3:41:12am

Oy.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 30, 2018 • 3:44:28am

re: #68 teleskiguy

Oy.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 30, 2018 • 3:52:13am
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teleskiguy  Oct 30, 2018 • 3:54:58am

re: #70 Single-handed sailor

Titus DGAF on Twitter. It’s a thing to see.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 30, 2018 • 3:56:03am
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 30, 2018 • 3:59:36am

hah

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teleskiguy  Oct 30, 2018 • 4:29:14am

Jayzuz Fooking goddam Christo!

What. The. Fuck.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 4:43:49am

re: #74 teleskiguy

Jayzuz Fooking goddam Christo!

What. The. Fuck.

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I am hoping this is just Trump’s way to distract people from all the other shit happening, and that he can’t possibly be serious. IANAL, much less a con law expert, but this contention that he can deny citizenship to people born on US soil with an EO is bullshit. It’s settled law and part of the federal code, not to mention part of a Constitutional amendment.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 30, 2018 • 4:44:47am

re: #73 Single-handed sailor

Sounds like a republican scared of anti fascists also might have a much larger chance of just getting shot by a right wing terrorist than being hurt by a lot of other things…

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 4:55:55am

re: #75 wheat-dogg

I am hoping this is just Trump’s way to distract people from all the other shit happening, and that he can’t possibly be serious. IANAL, much less a con law expert, but this contention that he can deny citizenship to people born on US soil with an EO is bullshit. It’s settled law and part of the federal code, not to mention part of a Constitutional amendment.

Nativism is the one principle Trump seems committed to, so I would bet he does sign it. What I don’t know is if its prospective only, or if he wants to deport who knows how many US citizens born here.

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teleskiguy  Oct 30, 2018 • 4:56:25am

re: #74 teleskiguy

And, there’s this.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:01:39am

re: #77 Big Beautiful Door

Nativism is the one principle Trump seems committed to, so I would bet he does sign it. What I don’t know is if its prospective only, or if he wants to deport who knows how many US citizens born here.

It’s just one many potential Constitutional crises created by this racist scum president and his minions.

If he signs the EO, it will be challenged in court. The lower federal courts will more than likely throw it out. Even a conservative judge is not going to buck more than a century of case law and precedent (US v Wong Kim Ark, 1898). If it ends up on the SCOTUS, I think only Kavabrew and Thomas would rule in the administration’s favor. Roberts would not want this kind of controversy to be his legacy.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:04:15am
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MsJ  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:10:59am

re: #80 Patricia Kayden

My freaking god. Happy.

Unreal. Absolutely unfuckingreal.

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teleskiguy  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:18:50am

Backslap. It’s at the end.

He still skis away.

Candide Thovex is one of my favorite skiers. He’s like me! Doing the crazy stuff *without poles.*

Without poles. Poles are an extension of your arms, skiers ski with poles because they keep the skier upright and get them ready for the next turn. Any Lizard that has advanced beyond total beginner skier level knows a technique called “pole-planting,” where you plant your pole in the snow on the uphill side and turn into it.

Well, I rarely ski with poles, and Candide can spin and flip on a huge cliffed-out face without poles.

We’re Shred-eye Knights.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:20:54am

re: #74 teleskiguy

Jayzuz Fooking goddam Christo!

What. The. Fuck.

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He’s wrong. He can’t. But this one really really hits home for me.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:24:34am

re: #74 teleskiguy

Given the Supreme Court we have now, Trump may actually get away with it. He was able to pass that Muslim Ban so I have no reason to believe that this will end differently.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:25:24am

re: #83 HappyWarrior

His main goal is to do whatever it takes to stir up violence and infighting. It’s SO much easier to steal and fuck people over in chaos.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:25:55am

120 years of this precedent. To put things in perspective. Half of my family, thus all my mom’s wasn’t even here. Birthright citizenship helped my great aunts and uncles assimilate quicker than if they were put in limbo. This is why Trump really isn’t a conservative but a reactionary of the worst kind.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:27:04am

re: #85 A Mom Anon

His main goal is to do whatever it takes to stir up violence and infighting. It’s SO much easier to steal and fuck people over in chaos.

Yep. Man this one really pisses me off.

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teleskiguy  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:27:17am

re: #84 Patricia Kayden

I am very anxious, to the point of losing sleep. One more week. This election is so goddamned weird and important and what the fuck …

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:28:00am

re: #84 Patricia Kayden

Given the Supreme Court we have now, Trump may actually get away with it. He was able to pass that Muslim Ban so I have no reason to believe that this will end differently.

I dunno but the fact that I don’t just shows you the problem with the court as is.

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Citizen K  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:29:18am

re: #75 wheat-dogg

I am hoping this is just Trump’s way to distract people from all the other shit happening, and that he can’t possibly be serious. IANAL, much less a con law expert, but this contention that he can deny citizenship to people born on US soil with an EO is bullshit. It’s settled law and part of the federal code, not to mention part of a Constitutional amendment.

re: #79 wheat-dogg

It’s just one many potential Constitutional crises created by this racist scum president and his minions.

If he signs the EO, it will be challenged in court. The lower federal courts will more than likely throw it out. Even a conservative judge is not going to buck more than a century of case law and precedent (US v Wong Kim Ark, 1898). If it ends up on the SCOTUS, I think only Kavabrew and Thomas would rule in the administration’s favor. Roberts would not want this kind of controversy to be his legacy.

You have far more respect and trust in the SCOTUS than I do at this point.

This is the exact kind of legacy that the conservative movement want and crave, they want this to be enshrined and unquestioned for as long as this court persists (and should Breyer or RBG end up retiring before we have a Dem president, even longer), for generations at minimum. They want the nativism to be baked in and unassailable, and Roberts has shown that, at minimum, he’s racism blind. He won’t see the racism in this, and would easily vote to approve it just on his vaunted ‘conservative jurisprudence’, Constitution be damned.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:29:26am

re: #88 teleskiguy

I am very anxious, to the point of losing sleep. One more week. This election is so goddamned weird and important and what the fuck …

He’s losing it as it becomes more apparent things aren’t looking good. Gonna be even worse if he’s getting his ass kicked going into reelection if he’s not impeached by then.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:31:35am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

120 years of this precedent. To put things in perspective. Half of my family, thus all my mom’s wasn’t even here. Birthright citizenship helped my great aunts and uncles assimilate quicker than if they were put in limbo. This is why Trump really isn’t a conservative but a reactionary of the worst kind.

My mom and her two brothers were citizens by birthright. Their parents were both immigrants. Trump’s BS proposal makes my blood boil. He might even try signing an EO, just to fuck with everyone.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:31:50am

re: #90 Citizen K

You have far more respect and trust in the SCOTUS than I do at this point.

This is the exact kind of legacy that the conservative movement want and crave, they want this to be enshrined and unquestioned for as long as this court persists (and should Breyer or RBG end up retiring before we have a Dem president, even longer), for generations at minimum. They want the nativism to be baked in and unassailable, and Roberts has shown that, at minimum, he’s racism blind. He won’t see the racism in this, and would easily vote to approve it just on his vaunted ‘conservative jurisprudence’, Constitution be damned.

I dunno. From a legal perspective, I think Roberts may be reluctant to overturn 120 years of precedent but he did disappoint greatly on the VRA with his attitude there. This is just crazy. We’ve had this as precedent longer than we have not.

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:34:39am

re: #74 teleskiguy

Jayzuz Fooking goddam Christo!

What. The. Fuck.

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Didn’t Trump swear an oath to uphold the Constitution? I guess that only applies to the parts he agrees with?

If changing the Constitution with an executive order was real, a lot of POTUS’s would have done that by now.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:34:55am

re: #92 wheat-dogg

My mom and her two brothers were citizens by birthright. Their parents were both immigrants. Trump’s BS proposal makes my blood boil. He might even try signing an EO, just to fuck with everyone.

My mom’s parents as they were younger, their parents were already naturalized by their births in the 20’s but their older brothers and sisters like your mom and uncles were as well. And then you have situations like my dad’s grandfather born in Germany but with younger siblings born here.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:35:27am

re: #90 Citizen K

You have far more respect and trust in the SCOTUS than I do at this point.

This is the exact kind of legacy that the conservative movement want and crave, they want this to be enshrined and unquestioned for as long as this court persists (and should Breyer or RBG end up retiring before we have a Dem president, even longer), for generations at minimum. They want the nativism to be baked in and unassailable, and Roberts has shown that, at minimum, he’s racism blind. He won’t see the racism in this, and would easily vote to approve it just on his vaunted ‘conservative jurisprudence’, Constitution be damned.

Jus soli has been baked into federal law since 1898. Every SCOTUS since then has relied on US v Wong Kim Ark as precedent. Plus, there is the question of the president changing the federal code with an EO, something which is patently unconstitutional. Roberts may be a conservative, but he is not stupid or insane, and I could see him ruling against Trump on this. The only sure votes for are Kavabrew and Thomas, IMO.

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Citizen K  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:36:40am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

120 years of this precedent. To put things in perspective. Half of my family, thus all my mom’s wasn’t even here. Birthright citizenship helped my great aunts and uncles assimilate quicker than if they were put in limbo. This is why Trump really isn’t a conservative but a reactionary of the worst kind.

All of my parents children, myself included, were born before they were citizens, and I believe the eldest when they were of questionable visa status too. That’s not even going into the multitudes of uncles, aunts, cousins, and nephews and nieces who are likely under the same umbrella. I would not be a fucking citizen without the 14th. My family wouldn’t exist here without the 14th, more than likely we would have been stuck in a legal limbo that would have had us shipped back to the Philippines and away from the only country we ever knew without the 14th.

I’m fucking hot over this, because I know the legal circus that my parents went through trying to become citizens the right way (and they weren’t exactly ‘unskilled’ my dad’s a doctor and mom a nurse, and got jobs in areas where they were in dire need of skilled doctors), and this shit would erase the Americanness of familes like mine, peoples like mine, and tell us ‘America was never for you, get the fuck out you brown savage!!!!’

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:36:56am

re: #94 b.d.(soros funded)

Didn’t Trump swear an oath to uphold the Constitution? I guess that only applies to the parts he agrees with?

If changing the Constitution with an executive order was real, a lot of POTUS’s would have done that by now.

I don’t think br citizenship is explicitly in the Constitution but 120 years of precedent has established that the 14th allows for it. The only people who have disagreed with that are nativist kooks.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:38:39am

re: #97 Citizen K

All of my parents children, myself included, were born before they were citizens, and I believe the eldest when they were of questionable visa status too. That’s not even going into the multitudes of uncles, aunts, cousins, and nephews and nieces who are likely under the same umbrella. I would not be a fucking citizen without the 14th. My family wouldn’t exist here without the 14th, more than likely we would have been stuck in a legal limbo that would have had us shipped back to the Philippines and away from the only country we ever knew without the 14th.

I’m fucking hot over this, because I know the legal circus that my parents went through trying to become citizens the right way (and they weren’t exactly ‘unskilled’ my dad’s a doctor and mom a nurse, and got jobs in areas where they were in dire need of skilled doctors), and this shit would erase the Americanness of familes like mine, peoples like mine, and tell us ‘America was never for you, get the fuck out you brown savage!!!!’

I know. I’m livid over it. There’s so many people impacted by this either directly or indirectly.

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MsJ  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:38:58am

re: #90 Citizen K

You have far more respect and trust in the SCOTUS than I do at this point.

This is the exact kind of legacy that the conservative movement want and crave, they want this to be enshrined and unquestioned for as long as this court persists (and should Breyer or RBG end up retiring before we have a Dem president, even longer), for generations at minimum. They want the nativism to be baked in and unassailable, and Roberts has shown that, at minimum, he’s racism blind. He won’t see the racism in this, and would easily vote to approve it just on his vaunted ‘conservative jurisprudence’, Constitution be damned.

When I read the other day that Sandra Day O’Conner was retiring from the public eye due to dementia, I completely forgot she wasn’t on the court any longer and I freaked.the.fuck.out.

I don’t have faith in the court any longer either.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:40:16am

Nazi Ann chimes in with total BS.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:41:00am

There’s a lot of questions that would be asked tho. What if one child’s parent is native born and or a citizen and one isn’t? Yeah I’m getting in VERY personal territory here but there are quite a bit of children like my niece and my dad’s grandmother’s brothers fell into this as well.

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:42:02am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I don’t think br citizenship is explicitly in the Constitution but 120 years of precedent has established that the 14th allows for it. The only people who have disagreed with that are nativist kooks.

Hard to interpret this any other way?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

And an amendment to the Constitution still makes it part of the Constitution, which he swore to defend.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:44:48am

re: #101 wheat-dogg

Nazi Ann chimes in with total BS.

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Ann is wrong. And I hate that disgusting anchor baby slur so fucking much. My grandfather’s oldest brother was born not long after his parents came here from Slovenia. Uncle Stan ended up serving in the Army when many Americans didn’t care what was going on in Europe, worked at GE, & although he had no children of his own was a stepfather to his wife’s children. Coulter’s legal views belong in Nazi Germany.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:45:53am

re: #102 HappyWarrior

There’s a lot of questions that would be asked tho. What if one child’s parent is native born and or a citizen and one isn’t? Yeah I’m getting in VERY personal territory here but there are quite a bit of children like my niece and my dad’s grandmother’s brothers fell into this as well.

If the kid was born on US soil, he/she is a citizen. Case closed. Trump’s nutball EO — which is only a proposal from an idiot with the attention span of a flea — cannot change that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:46:12am

re: #103 b.d.(soros funded)

Hard to interpret this any other way?

And an amendment to the Constitution still makes it part of the Constitution, which he swore to defend.

Yeah I think you’re right but the precedent is younger than the amendment itself which is why I’m not sure. TBH I’m furious that he’s even talking about this given the impact.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:47:09am

re: #105 wheat-dogg

If the kid was born on US soil, he/she is a citizen. Case closed. Trump’s nutball EO — which is only a proposal from an idiot with the attention span of a flea — cannot change that.

Exactly. I doubt this would hold up but man this is why the judiciary matters.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:50:18am

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Exactly. I doubt this would hold up but man this is why the judiciary matters.

We all went through this BS during the Obama-McCain election season. The legal experts said both Obama, whose dad was foreign born, and McCain, who was born in the Canal Zone, were “natural born citizens.” But nativists don’t give a shit about case law, precedent or the Constitution, and Trump knows he can whip them into a frenzy if he throws this bone at them.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:52:45am

re: #108 wheat-dogg

We all went through this BS during the Obama-McCain election season. The legal experts said both Obama, whose dad was foreign born, and McCain, who was born in the Canal Zone, were “natural born citizens.” But nativists don’t give a shit about case law, precedent or the Constitution, and Trump knows he can whip them into a frenzy if he throws this bone at them.

It’s so fucked man.

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jeffreyw  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:54:36am

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Good morning!

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:54:41am

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Ann is wrong. And I hate that disgusting anchor baby slur so fucking much. My grandfather’s oldest brother was born not long after his parents came here from Slovenia. Uncle Stan ended up serving in the Army when many Americans didn’t care what was going on in Europe, worked at GE, & although he had no children of his own was a stepfather to his wife’s children. Coulter’s legal views belong in Nazi Germany.

When Steve King said he wanted to oust “anchor grandbabies” (re: me) and I mentioned it here, I got “tut tutted” here for being concerned about that.

The logical conclusion of stripping citizenship from those who were here undocumented (or violated the law, such as my Polish grandparents did with the 1924 Immigration Act) would be to strip the citizenship of those who are their descendants as well.

John Roberts isn’t concerned about his “legacy on the court.” He could not care less about that (see the VRA). He is first and foremost a conservative.

For those claiming “they’re not conservatives, they’re reactionaries,” what is a reactionary? A conservative trying to set things back to what they were before. The “they’re not” claim is a false dichotomy.

Anyone remember when conservatives stopped trying to eliminate Social Security? I don’t. That doesn’t make them “reactionaries,” that makes them behind in the game with more time on the clock.

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teleskiguy  Oct 30, 2018 • 5:58:47am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:05:12am

re: #111 Anymouse ??

When Steve King said he wanted to oust “anchor grandbabies” (re: me) and I mentioned it here, I got “tut tutted” here for being concerned about that.

The logical conclusion of stripping citizenship from those who were here undocumented (or violated the law, such as my Polish grandparents did with the 1924 Immigration Act) would be to strip the citizenship of those who are their descendants as well.

John Roberts isn’t concerned about his “legacy on the court.” He could not care less about that (see the VRA). He is first and foremost a conservative.

For those claiming “they’re not conservatives, they’re reactionaries,” what is a reactionary? A conservative trying to set things back to what they were before. The “they’re not” claim is a false dichotomy.

Anyone remember when conservatives stopped trying to eliminate Social Security? I don’t. That doesn’t make them “reactionaries,” that makes them behind in the game with more time on the clock.

He’s a reactionary because he wants to revert back to the past. I’m saying he’s more of a reactionary than conservative. All reactionaries are conservatives but not all conservatives are reactionary imo.

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Citizen K  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:06:13am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:10:01am

re: #114 Citizen K

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That’s why this is so disgusting. This is your home as much as it is mine. I shouldn’t get special treatment over you since my parents were born here.

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freetoken  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:10:24am

As expected, Trump has successfully stirred up his hateful base.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:16:28am

re: #116 freetoken

As expected, Trump has successfully stirred up his hateful base.

I’m sure he has. Hope all those old people in Cambria County, Pa whose parents and grandparents- mostly immigrants who helped make Johnstown a booming town in the past are happy with who they voted for.

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MsJ  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:16:41am

re: #116 freetoken

As expected, Trump has successfully stirred up his hateful base.

The whole point of his existence.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:25:33am

Hello
Did I just wake up to Trump claiming he can exec order birthright citizenship out of the constitution? Defacto breaking his oath to defend.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:26:55am

re: #119 Unshaken Defiance

Hello
Did I just wake up to Trump claiming he can exec order birthright citizenship out of the constitution? Defacto breaking his oath to defend.

Yes…..

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:26:55am

re: #119 Unshaken Defiance

Hello
Did I just wake up to Trump claiming he can exec order birthright citizenship out of the constitution? Defacto breaking his oath to defend.

Yes

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:29:24am

There will be a whole lot more crazy shit coming out of WH leading up to the election.

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:29:35am

re: #119 Unshaken Defiance

Hello
Did I just wake up to Trump claiming he can exec order birthright citizenship out of the constitution? Defacto breaking his oath to defend.

Pretty much and the wingnuts are cheering the destruction of the Constitution.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:30:44am

re: #108 wheat-dogg

We all went through this BS during the Obama-McCain election season. The legal experts said both Obama, whose dad was foreign born, and McCain, who was born in the Canal Zone, were “natural born citizens.” But nativists don’t give a shit about case law, precedent or the Constitution, and Trump knows he can whip them into a frenzy if he throws this bone at them.

Yeah, but McCain wasn’t born in the Canal Zone. That was the campaign’s original story until it was pointed out that the hospital he was supposedly born in wouldn’t be built until 20 years later. He was born in Colón—outside the CZ. I guess he believed the urban legend—like I did, admittedly—that you couldn’t be President if you were born outside US jurisdiction, even if your parents were citizens. The lie should have ended his campaign right then and there, though.

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freetoken  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:32:19am

re: #119 Unshaken Defiance

Hello
Did I just wake up to Trump claiming he can exec order birthright citizenship out of the constitution? Defacto breaking his oath to defend.

Some days it is better to not get out of bed.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:32:26am

Gillum ain’t scared of Preznit Loudmouth…

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freetoken  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:34:01am
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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:34:09am

This talk about negating the 14th is just that, talk. My guess is that after the election he’ll just stop talking about it altogether.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:34:58am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

I’m sure he has. Hope all those old people in Cambria County, Pa whose parents and grandparents- mostly immigrants who helped make Johnstown a booming town in the past are happy with who they voted for.

A lot of people who want to pull the ladder up after themselves don’t seem to realize tat this would affect them too—hell, maybe me. White privilege is a helluva drug.

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MsJ  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:36:27am

re: #126 makeitstop

Gillum ain’t scared of Preznit Loudmouth…

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:37:15am

Good thread on that RICO suit:

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Belafon  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:39:23am

Proving once again what the Green Party stands for.

This is Flake’s seat.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:41:17am

re: #62 teleskiguy

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This is the future liberals want.

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jeffreyw  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:41:58am

re: #42 wheat-dogg

A small moment of fame pour moi. I was quoted in the latest Quartz Obsession email:

I prefaced my remark by saying I have never tried sous vide cooking nor eaten any food prepared that way. The cynic in me says it’s just another hoity-toity food fad that will fade away after several months, like the paleo diet.

Sous vide is worth it even if the only thing you use it for is steak.

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It’s also very good for pork tenderloins - perfect color and juicy.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:43:19am

re: #133 Scottish Dragon

This is the future liberals want.

Computer generated skiing ostriches? Cool..
I want more sarcastic weapon wielding raccoons..

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mmmirele  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:45:05am

Lawrence Tribe nails it:

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Citizen K  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:46:40am

re: #131 makeitstop

Good thread on that RICO suit:

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The question is, will news outlets actually cover it for more than one front page (if at that), or will they move on to blowing smoke up Trump’s ass again for the next three weeks before plastering the latest Trump-fed fearmongering for 5 front pages straight?

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:48:06am

re: #134 jeffreyw

I will defer to your knowledge, but I still think a lot of the sous vide fad is just a way for some people to make lots of money selling stuff most people don’t need.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:48:31am

re: #136 mmmirele

Lawrence Tribe nails it:

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This would be his first true dictatorial move, and ending citizenship for undesirables has always been a must-have for dictators.

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:49:11am

Hoarse is right a lot….

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:50:00am

TPM’s excellent take on Trump and the 14th.

A simple point as we start the morning. The President can’t end birthright citizenship by executive order. This is a completely ridiculous idea, a sort of clown-show trial-run at rule by decree. No one with any credibility, let alone legal experts think an executive order can end birthright citizenship. There has been a push on the right to change this practice by passing a law through Congress, specifically revising Immigration and Nationality Act. This too is dubious at best, though it has been proposed and with a sufficiently partisan Supreme Court anything can be done. The change to legislate a change is best scene as a stunt not real lawmaking.

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As this historian explains in this thread, birthright citizenship was the default assumption in American law before the 14th amendment. (I strongly recommend reading that thread.) The only question was whether or not this framework was limited to white people. The debates surrounding the language makes clear that birthright citizenship specifically was what the amendment’s authors had in mind and that the need for the language was to apply it to people regardless of race. As a matter of policy you can make any arguments you want. As a matter of what the authors intended (i.e., an originalist argument) it’s really open and shut.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:50:33am

re: #139 Scottish Dragon

This would be his first true dictatorial move, and ending citizenship for undesirables has always been a must-have for dictators.

Plus, there’s the whole mobilizing the military a week before the election to “defend the border.”

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:51:21am
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Eventual Carrion  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:53:03am

re: #143 Scottish Dragon

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First amendment says “Fuck you tRump!”

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:53:13am

re: #137 Citizen K

The question is, will news outlets actually cover it for more than one front page (if at that), or will they move on to blowing smoke up Trump’s ass again for the next three weeks before plastering the latest Trump-fed fearmongering for 5 front pages straight?

The actual trial is off in the distance, so I really don’t expect much coverage right now. Just like the Manafort trial, which was announced and wasn’t talked about until it actually got underway.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:53:51am

re: #142 wheat-dogg

Plus, there’s the whole mobilizing the military a week before the election to “defend the border.”

Yeah. Some of the stuff I have read from military folks on twitter suggests they are not real happy with this just before Thanksgiving. They all know it is fake.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 6:56:22am

re: #146 Scottish Dragon

Yeah. Some of the stuff I have read from military folks on twitter suggests they are not real happy with this just before Thanksgiving. They all know it is fake.

Everyone from the Chiefs of Staff on down know it’s fake. It’s a political stunt, and a responsible Congress would swiftly pull the plug on it. Therein lies the problem.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:00:04am
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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:01:13am

re: #148 FormerDirtDart ????

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Best Halloween ever.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:02:51am

Heh. Nobody wants to take part in Trump’s attempted photo-op in Pittsburgh - not even Republicans.

If there’s one thing Democrats and Republicans agree on, it’s that they do not want to appear with President Donald Trump on his trip to visit the site of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting.

According to a Tuesday CNN report, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI), Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY), and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) all turned down the invitation. Pittsburgh Mayor Bill Peduto (D) and a handful of state and local officials also RSVP’d no.

Everyone can see just how inappropriate showing up with Trump would look. But Trump’s gonna barrel right in anyway.

I’m hoping that once he gets there, there will be no one for him to talk to.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:04:02am

The Burn….

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jeffreyw  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:06:11am

re: #138 wheat-dogg

I will defer to your knowledge, but I still think a lot of the sous vide fad is just a way for some people to make lots of money selling stuff most people don’t need.

Ogg say same thing, “Thogg uses sharp stick to cook meat over fire. Thogg pussy”!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:08:05am

Derp of The Day:

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:09:50am

I dunno who this guy is, but this is a little disturbing. Thread.

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Belafon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:14:08am

re: #154 makeitstop

I can’t read the thread, but will the accusations discredit Mueller or will they discredit those reporting them?

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:14:29am

Good time to remember this:

Last August, Trump administration began to challenge citizenship of Latino Americans who were not born in a hospital and it appears in some cases even these who were.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:16:33am

re: #154 makeitstop

Jacob Wohl is a huge Trump supporter. Look at any of his twitter comments and he’s right there kissing his ass.

moneyinc.com

I wouldn’t believe a thing he says.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:17:10am

re: #155 Belafon

I can’t read the thread, but will the accusations discredit Mueller or will they discredit those reporting them?

Both, from the look of it. Short version: this guy claims that Wohl told him that a GOP lobbyist is paying women to come forward and claim sexual harrassment on Mueller’s part.

The goal seems to be to discredit both Mueller and journalists reporting on the Russia story.

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Archangelus  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:18:58am
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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:18:59am

re: #157 Kilroy was here

Jacob Wohl is a huge Trump supporter. Look at any of his twitter comments and he’s right there kissing his ass.

moneyinc.com

I wouldn’t believe a thing he says.

Yeah, but Wohl isn’t the guy reporting it - that Stedman guy is. And he says he’s been in touch with the lobbyist who’s paying the women.

Like I said, I don’t know who this Stedman guy is, but it’s worth keeping an eye on.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:19:00am

THIS THREAD==>

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freetoken  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:19:33am

Watching the Apple Event live… it just isn’t the same without Jobs. So many of these next generation execs lack the charisma.

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ObserverArt  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:20:45am

re: #85 A Mom Anon

His main goal is to do whatever it takes to stir up violence and infighting. It’s SO much easier to steal and fuck people over in chaos.

Morning.

I think Trump is threatening signing an EO to show his base full of scum how hard he is fighting to protect them from the angry hordes invading their white space.

It’s only one week out ‘til elections, he won’t even get that before the courts in that time, but it will rev up the idiots.

I always keep in mind the Trump is all about “the show” and just like his stupid Apprentice show, it is edited fake-ass reality with no point.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:22:08am

Trump’s getting pushback from Republicans on his birthright citizenship stunt.

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ObserverArt  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:23:42am

re: #94 b.d.(soros funded)

Didn’t Trump swear an oath to uphold the Constitution? I guess that only applies to the parts he agrees with?

If changing the Constitution with an executive order was real, a lot of POTUS’s would have done that by now.

At this point does anyone think this ass is capable of upholding anything?

I don’t think there has been a contract his companies ever honored fully. That is why he spent half the time threatening to sue everyone and everything.

This is just more of the same Trump.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:27:16am

re: #155 Belafon

I can’t read the thread, but will the accusations discredit Mueller or will they discredit those reporting them?

I think they are trying for both.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:28:19am

re: #160 makeitstop

Yeah, but Wohl isn’t the guy reporting it - that Stedman guy is. And he says he’s been in touch with the lobbyist who’s paying the women.

Like I said, I don’t know who this Stedman guy is, but it’s worth keeping an eye on.

I do know her:

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:28:39am

For Anymouse, though he’s probably heard the joke before.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:29:11am

re: #91 HappyWarrior

He’s losing it as it becomes more apparent things aren’t looking good. Gonna be even worse if he’s getting his ass kicked going into reelection if he’s not impeached by then.

He won’t be impeached. No way to get 67 US Senators to convict him, no matter how much evidence Mueller has.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:29:25am

re: #163 ObserverArt

Morning.

I think Trump is threatening signing an EO to show his base full of scum how hard he is fighting to protect them from the angry hordes invading their white space.

It’s only one week out ‘til elections, he won’t even get that before the courts in that time, but it will rev up the idiots.

I always keep in mind the Trump is all about “the show” and just like his stupid Apprentice show, it is edited fake-ass reality with no point.

Such an EO would likely have an injunction slapped against it in a matter of hours. Hell, ACLU is probably ready to file the paperwork within minutes of Trump signing it.

I’m using my spare laptop: it’s an old Acer Aspire One running Windows7. I did a clean install of an English-language Windows7 version I found on a download site. It’s working fine, but slow as hell, at least compared to my old laptop.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:30:08am

re: #167 Scottish Dragon

In other words, something big is going to break and Trump is preparing his “court of public opinion” defenses.

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ObserverArt  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:30:59am

re: #111 Anymouse ??

When Steve King said he wanted to oust “anchor grandbabies” (re: me) and I mentioned it here, I got “tut tutted” here for being concerned about that.

The logical conclusion of stripping citizenship from those who were here undocumented (or violated the law, such as my Polish grandparents did with the 1924 Immigration Act) would be to strip the citizenship of those who are their descendants as well.

John Roberts isn’t concerned about his “legacy on the court.” He could not care less about that (see the VRA). He is first and foremost a conservative.

For those claiming “they’re not conservatives, they’re reactionaries,” what is a reactionary? A conservative trying to set things back to what they were before. The “they’re not” claim is a false dichotomy.

Anyone remember when conservatives stopped trying to eliminate Social Security? I don’t. That doesn’t make them “reactionaries,” that makes them behind in the game with more time on the clock.

I still think you are the right color in King’s eyes. And that was the reason you were tut-tutted.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:31:44am

I don’t think Trump will sign the EO because it will cost him money. The Russian ‘birth tourists’ use his properties in Florida.
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“Birth tourism” companies sell packages that cost tens of thousands of dollars, and often steer their clients to Donald Trump-brand properties.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:32:13am

re: #164 makeitstop

Trump’s getting pushback from Republicans on his birthright citizenship stunt.

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I just tried to explain to some idiot on twitter that “subject to jurisdiction” means every single person on US soil except diplomats. He demanded to know where in the text it excludes diplomats and includes ‘illegal immigrants’ and I kinda threw up my hands and said BECAUSE DIPLOMATS ARE EXEMPT FROM OUR JURISDICTION AND IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT EXEMPT FROM OUR JURISDICTION

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:32:22am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I don’t think br citizenship is explicitly in the Constitution but 120 years of precedent has established that the 14th allows for it. The only people who have disagreed with that are nativist kooks.

Actually the 14th Amendment does literally grant birthright citizenship.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:33:53am

re: #168 wheat-dogg

For Anymouse, though he’s probably heard the joke before.

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This is when a dog farts in front of the cat:

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Belafon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:35:51am

Trump’s managed to completely change the subject here.

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Belafon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:36:22am

If I had to pick, I think getting out in front of the Mueller thing is way more important.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:37:16am

re: #101 wheat-dogg

Nazi Ann chimes in with total BS.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:37:33am

re: #169 Big Beautiful Door

He won’t be impeached. No way to get 67 US Senators to convict him, no matter how much evidence Mueller has.

I don’t think the Dems are going to try. They are going to tie him down with legal maneuvers, investigations and referrals for criminal investigation the moment he leaves the White House.

Also, at The Atlantic this morning: very likely that violence was rise substantially when Trump leaves office, no matter how that actually happens.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:37:49am

re: #175 Big Beautiful Door

Actually the 14th Amendment does literally grant birthright citizenship.

Gotcha. See that now.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:37:59am

re: #162 freetoken

Watching the Apple Event live… it just isn’t the same without Jobs. So many of these next generation execs lack the charisma.

Shit! I’m missing it—I forgot it was three hours early this time!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:38:07am

re: #169 Big Beautiful Door

He won’t be impeached. No way to get 67 US Senators to convict him, no matter how much evidence Mueller has.

Right sigh.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:38:56am

re: #167 Scottish Dragon

I do know her:

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Whoa. If Natasha is confirming it, it’s probably going to happen.

She’s a very careful journalist. She wouldn’t sign on to it if it wasn’t for real.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:40:15am

Associated Press is beginning to realize that it’s not a good idea to automatically repeat everything Trump says without fact checking it first.

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Belafon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:40:36am

re: #160 makeitstop

Yeah, but Wohl isn’t the guy reporting it - that Stedman guy is. And he says he’s been in touch with the lobbyist who’s paying the women.

Like I said, I don’t know who this Stedman guy is, but it’s worth keeping an eye on.

If there is a lobbyist, Stedman needs to release the name.

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Interesting Times  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:41:03am

re: #184 makeitstop

Whoa. If Natasha is confirming it, it’s probably going to happen.

She’s a very careful journalist. She wouldn’t sign on to it if it wasn’t for real.

Response from Jane Mayer, who partnered with Ronan Farrow on genuine stories of this nature:

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freetoken  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:43:19am

re: #182 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Shit! I’m missing it—I forgot it was three hours early this time!

New MacAir.

New MacMini.

iPad update.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:43:26am

re: #177 Belafon

Trump’s managed to completely change the subject here.

And he’ll probably come out with another change of subject tomorrow (that phony Mueller story, from the look of it).

It’s going to be a distraction a day until next Tuesday. Hang on.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:44:24am

re: #102 HappyWarrior

There’s a lot of questions that would be asked tho. What if one child’s parent is native born and or a citizen and one isn’t? Yeah I’m getting in VERY personal territory here but there are quite a bit of children like my niece and my dad’s grandmother’s brothers fell into this as well.

No even Trump can argue that a person born in the US to a US citizen parent doesn’t qualify for citizenship, no matter how much he would like to.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:44:37am

re: #187 Interesting Times

Response from Jane Mayer, who partnered with Ronan Farrow on genuine stories of this nature:

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What may seem to you and I - and other sensible people here on LGF and elsewhere - to be obvious horseshit will be embraced by the RWNJ’s as nothing short of Gospel truth.

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Belafon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:44:47am

re: #187 Interesting Times

Response from Jane Mayer, who partnered with Ronan Farrow on genuine stories of this nature:

After Kavanaugh, I’m sure the right feels that all they have to do is get a woman to make a claim and everyone will just fall apart. And, under normal circumstances, any credible claim must be addressed. In this case, though, I think the bar should be “Be as brave as Dr. Ford.”

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:46:07am

Land O’Lakes finally does the right thing.

Hopefully that Nazi son of a bitch’s days are numbered.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:46:57am

re: #193 makeitstop

Land O’Lakes finally does the right thing.

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Hopefully that Nazi son of a bitch’s days are numbered.

Hopefully but it will be up to those who keep voting him in ultimately.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:47:36am

re: #187 Interesting Times

Response from Jane Mayer, who partnered with Ronan Farrow on genuine stories of this nature:

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The 30% who go with Trump will absolutely demand that we treat it as real, however this thing is played. If they go with Mueller sexually harassed aides then they cynically claim victimhood under #metoo and Dr Ford.

If they go with Media makes false reports again LOL and Dr Ford is a liar who should be prosecuted then it is still a motivation for them to hold the line.

It isn’t real, as has been pointed out time and time again. It is outrage performance art but once it is in the right wing universe it never, ever dies.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:48:20am

Baby steps.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:49:39am

Certainly the largest since Pershing went over the border.

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ipsos  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:52:57am

re: #110 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Is that a Brittany I spy there?

World’s finest dog. (he says, as he looks over at his Brittany surveying the yard from the other end of the sofa…)

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:55:13am

Several people have noted on twitter that this is not merely a distraction for Trump. Racist nativism is one of the few things he really, really believes in. He began his campaign on the idea that Obama is not a legal resident and his actions in the WH have tended to be aimed at keeping brown people out of the country by whatever means he can come up with.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:56:20am
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dangerman  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:57:03am

re: #2 wheat-dogg

Whenever I see Trump I want to scream at the top of my lungs that I hate his guts.

His 9/11 lie also pisses me off, not just because I’m a New Yorker but also because it is so demonstrably untrue. Yet his idiot base will go along with it, because Fearless Leader said the NYSE was open on 9/12, buh-leve me!

Don’t give the prick the satisfaction. Sir.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 7:57:31am

Yes, yes they did.

Of course it was a Mike Pence event.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:00:59am

Yes, I looked that up. The average operation tempo at Ellis Island was 5,000 immigrants a day.

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BeachDem  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:01:51am

re: #157 Kilroy was here

Jacob Wohl is a huge Trump supporter. Look at any of his twitter comments and he’s right there kissing his ass.

moneyinc.com

I wouldn’t believe a thing he says.

Plus, Jacob Ahole is a moron, so there’s that.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:04:21am
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ObserverArt  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:05:56am

re: #173 Kilroy was here

I don’t think Trump will sign the EO because it will cost him money. The Russian ‘birth tourists’ use his properties in Florida.
pri.org
“Birth tourism” companies sell packages that cost tens of thousands of dollars, and often steer their clients to Donald Trump-brand properties.

Well then…he will make the EO state birth right is eliminated for people from certain countries like Mexico, those in Central and South America and Africa, and of course Iran.

You know he is stupid enough to think it could be done.

It would be just like his travel bans. Remember those?

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jeffreyw  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:06:40am

re: #198 ipsos

Is that a Brittany I spy there?

World’s finest dog. (he says, as he looks over at his Brittany surveying the yard from the other end of the sofa…)

Yep. Here’s the new boy giving a frog a piece of his mind.

Imgur

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:07:57am

re: #124 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, but McCain wasn’t born in the Canal Zone. That was the campaign’s original story until it was pointed out that the hospital he was supposedly born in wouldn’t be built until 20 years later. He was born in Colón—outside the CZ. I guess he believed the urban legend—like I did, admittedly—that you couldn’t be President if you were born outside US jurisdiction, even if your parents were citizens. The lie should have ended his campaign right then and there, though.

I will quibble with that, because according to Wong Kim Ark, admittedly dicta, you do have to be born in the US to obtain birthright citizenship. The issue of whether a person born on foreign soil to US citizen parents is a natural born citizen eligible to run for President has never been squarely addressed by SCOTUS, and it probably never will, since its not their job; its the responsibility of the Electoral College and Congress.

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ObserverArt  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:10:00am

re: #189 makeitstop

And he’ll probably come out with another change of subject tomorrow (that phony Mueller story, from the look of it).

It’s going to be a distraction a day until next Tuesday. Hang on.

Exactly. He is desperate. And in his desperation he will be causing more and more problems for Trumpublicans (which is all Republicans) in this election.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:10:14am

So, EO on citizenship: Stupid, or planned?

See how quickly the press and lots of other people whipsawed away from a bigot shooting up a synagogue and a mail bombing campaign?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:11:02am

re: #208 Big Beautiful Door

I will quibble with that, because according to Wong Kim Ark, admittedly dicta, you do have to be born in the US to obtain birthright citizenship. The issue of whether a person born on foreign soil to US citizen parents is a natural born citizen eligible to run for President has never been squarely addressed by SCOTUS, and it probably never will, since its not their job; its the responsibility of the Electoral College and Congress.

Well, you’re correct, and as I said, I grew up believing if you were accidentally born in Canada, say, you couldn’t run for President. Since Chester A. Arthur was allowed to run, that horse has left the barn, though—how could any court argue against that?

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:11:46am

re: #210 Anymouse ??

So, EO on citizenship: Stupid, or planned?

See how quickly the press and lots of other people whipsawed away from a bigot shooting up a synagogue and a mail bombing campaign?

Both.

BTW…this is still part of the same nativist. racist story continuum. That has been noticed, Jesus, even Bill Freaking Kristol can’t help but notice it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:12:07am

re: #205 FormerDirtDart ????

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I always look at what FNC is covering and I see why their viewers are that way.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:12:22am

re: #206 ObserverArt

Well then…he will make the EO state birth right is eliminated for people from certain countries like Mexico, those in Central and South America and Africa, and of course Iran.

You know he is stupid enough to think it could be done.

It would be just like his travel bans. Remember those?

I hadn’t thought to that level of evil.. You have a very good point.
Trump has no boundaries.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:12:37am

re: #208 Big Beautiful Door

I will quibble with that, because according to Wong Kim Ark, admittedly dicta, you do have to be born in the US to obtain birthright citizenship. The issue of whether a person born on foreign soil to US citizen parents is a natural born citizen eligible to run for President has never been squarely addressed by SCOTUS, and it probably never will, since its not their job; its the responsibility of the Electoral College and Congress.

Sure it’s their job. The Constitution describes who is eligible to be President, but that particular case of eligibility has never been tested before a court.

That whole scenario was avoided by the Senate resolution declaring McCain was a citizen, specifically to avoid someone taking him to court.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:14:46am

re: #214 Kilroy was here

I hadn’t thought to that level of evil.. You have a very good point.
Trump has no boundaries.

Yes, he is objectively evil and he has no boundaries. None.
We as a people do not have the means to grasp or understand that yet…that we are dealing with someone so utterly inimical and malign to our political system that he will break it altogether if he is able.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:16:01am

re: #211 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, you’re correct, and as I said, I grew up believing if you were accidentally born in Canada, say, you couldn’t run for President. Since Chester A. Arthur was allowed to run, that horse has left the barn, though—how could any court argue against that?

And IMHO, no court could argue against that, because the Constitution squarely grants the authority to select the President to the Electoral College and Congress, not the courts. That’s a big reason why I think SCOTUS erred in Gore v. Bush.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:18:04am

re: #215 Anymouse ??

Sure it’s their job. The Constitution describes who is eligible to be President, but that particular case of eligibility has never been tested before a court.

That whole scenario was avoided by the Senate resolution declaring McCain was a citizen, specifically to avoid someone taking him to court.

Nope, sorry its not. The Constitution gives the job of selecting the President to the Electoral College and Congress; the Court has no role to play.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:18:07am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:19:39am
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Kilroy was here  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:21:10am

Graham to introduce legislation ending birthright citizenship

thehill.com

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Tuesday said that he will introduce legislation to end birthright citizenship after President Trump suggested he wanted to do so through an executive order.

“Finally, a president willing to take on this absurd policy of birthright citizenship. I’ve always supported comprehensive immigration reform — and at the same time — the elimination of birthright citizenship,” Graham said in a string of tweets.

Well Lindsey Graham sure has sold his soul to Trump.

More reasons to take the house and stop this BS in its tracks.

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freetoken  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:22:04am
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Belafon  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:22:45am

re: #219 Scottish Dragon

On my way to work, there’s a billboard by a church asking which tribe you belong to. I really would like to buy the next one down and have it say “the human one.”

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freetoken  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:23:42am

re: #221 Kilroy was here

I don’t know whether Trump has something on Graham, or just that Graham knows his state is one of the most Trumpiest states in the nation.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:25:05am

I very much believe that a new Trump appointee at Justice will move to have BLM and other progressive groups or movements declared to be domestic terrorists or some such, and may well seek to actually begin arresting the Clintons and other political foes of Trump.

Also, watch for an FBI investigation of whomever becomes the nest Dem nominee for POTUS.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:25:56am

re: #222 freetoken

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My God.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:26:22am

re: #211 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, you’re correct, and as I said, I grew up believing if you were accidentally born in Canada, say, you couldn’t run for President. Since Chester A. Arthur was allowed to run, that horse has left the barn, though—how could any court argue against that?

Chester A. Arthur wasn’t born in Canada. That was the original birther slur.

His family lived in Vermont within a mile of the Canadian border. People used to cross back and forth across that border (and the Mexican one) all the time without border controls, because freedom.

When Chester A. Arthur ran for office, that lie was dredged up specifically to call into question his ability to hold office. Note those never making the claim took it to court (where it would have been blown apart.)

He was born in Fairfield, VT.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:26:29am

re: #224 freetoken

I don’t know whether Trump has something on Graham, or just that Graham knows his state is one of the most Trumpiest states in the nation.

Is there a meaningful difference?

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:27:08am

re: #221 Kilroy was here

Graham to introduce legislation ending birthright citizenship

thehill.com

Well Lindsey Graham sure has sold his soul to Trump.

More reasons to take the house and stop this BS in its tracks.

The GOP comes full circle. First they went after the undocumented immigrants, then the refugees, then legal immigration, and now finally Hispanic-Americans.

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:29:42am

re: #221 Kilroy was here

Graham to introduce legislation ending birthright citizenship

Why would Graham introduce legislation when Trump can act with an executive order?

The writing of this TV show really has gone downhill in Season 2

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:29:47am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:30:35am

re: #221 Kilroy was here

“Finally, a president willing to take on this absurd policy of birthright citizenship. I’ve always supported comprehensive immigration reform — and at the same time — the elimination of birthright citizenship,” Graham said in a string of tweets.

Sweet fancy moses

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:30:38am

re: #225 Scottish Dragon

David Roberts is wrong. My brother-in-law thinks they’re enough of a threat that he thinks we should plant shrapnel landmines along the border, and my (former) best friend thinks for economic reasons we should shoot them on sight.

Maybe conservative politicians who are telling people this don’t, but do you really think people like Steve King or Matt Gaetz or Louie Gohmert don’t believe what they say about this?

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Citizen K  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:31:29am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:31:31am

re: #221 Kilroy was here

Graham to introduce legislation ending birthright citizenship

thehill.com

Well Lindsey Graham sure has sold his soul to Trump.

More reasons to take the house and stop this BS in its tracks.

From Grahamesty to this shit.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:31:46am

re: #230 b.d.(soros funded)

Why would Graham introduce legislation when Trump can act with an executive order?

The writing of this TV show really has gone downhill in Season 2

Remember when President Obama’s executive orders were the end of America and ripping up the Constitution?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:33:40am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

From Grahamesty to this shit.

“No, really, we just want to end ‘birthright’ citizenship, which will require that the birth mother or both parents, and their uncles, aunts and grandparents all be American citizens.”

…..

“Oh hell let’s just end automatic citizenship altogether. MAGA.”

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calochortus  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:33:52am

re: #230 b.d.(soros funded)

Why would Graham introduce legislation when Trump can act with an executive order?

The writing of this TV show really has gone downhill in Season 2

Besides, that little change ought to take an constitutional amendment, so it’s as pointless as the EO.
Freepers are excited (won’t bother to link) but it has occurred to some of them that this won’t take them very far. They’re betting on taking it to a conservative SCOTUS where their dreams of returning white Christian males to their proper place will be realized. They also think that publicity on the issue will be a Great Thing for the conservative cause.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:34:14am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

From Grahamesty to this shit.

The GOP was just waiting for McCain to die.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:35:40am

Another conserva-lie which won’t die, because it has served conservatives well for decades to anger their voters:

No other country in the world has birthright citizenship.

That ignores every other country in the Americas, half of Europe, parts of Asia, Africa, and Australia.

It has been an article of conservative religious faith all my life, and just like any other religious faith, the religious person has to ignore the fact placed before them, or give up their faith.

So most cling to their faith and ignore the truth.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:39:29am

re: #234 Citizen K

Dear Senator Graham,

The grandchild of people who fled the Nazis and entered the country in violation of our then law, then signed up in the military to fight those same Nazis.

FO.

Sincerely, me.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:41:21am

re: #238 calochortus

Besides, that little change ought to take an constitutional amendment, so it’s as pointless as the EO.
Freepers are excited (won’t bother to link) but it has occurred to some of them that this won’t take them very far. They’re betting on taking it to a conservative SCOTUS where their dreams of returning white Christian males to their proper place will be realized. They also think that publicity on the issue will be a Great Thing for the conservative cause.

Nope. Birthright citizenship is not defined in the Constitution (aside from the XIX Amendment granting citizenship to freed slaves). It is defined in court cases, which can be overthrown by legislation.

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calochortus  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:43:43am

re: #242 Anymouse ??

Nope. Birthright citizenship is not defined in the Constitution (aside from the XIX Amendment granting citizenship to freed slaves). It is defined in court cases, which can be overthrown by legislation.

Which could then go before the courts again. This could take a while…

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:43:46am

re: #132 Belafon

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Proving once again what the Green Party stands for.

This is Flake’s seat.

GetREpublicansElectedNow.

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Skip Intro  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:44:55am

re: #237 Sir John Barron

“No, really, we just want to end ‘birthright’ citizenship, which will require that the birth mother or both parents, and their uncles, aunts and grandparents all be American citizens.”

…..

“Oh hell let’s just end automatic citizenship altogether. MAGA.”

I suggest he modify it further to require both parents to show GOP lineage going back at least 3 generations and genetic proof of both parents having at least 75% Caucasian genes. Run it by Ann Coulter first to make sure you get it right this time.

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freetoken  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:45:15am

The new iPad Pro 12.9” looks very impressive.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:45:28am

re: #242 Anymouse ??

No. the 14th amendment is really, really clear that birthright citizenship is across the board to everybody. Anybody born in US soil to parents who are subject to US jurisdiction is a citizen.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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calochortus  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:52:05am

re: #246 freetoken

The new iPad Pro 12.9” looks very impressive.

And presumably, expensive?
Which reminds me, I decided to get a new laptop last month. Having made the decision gave me a great sense of accomplishment.
So have I done it? No. Partly because the issues I was having have mysteriously eased up and partly because of the decision having been made, I can feel comfortable buying the thing whenever. As in “If the Mikado orders it done, it is as good as done.” Or whatever the actual line is.
Oh well, sooner or later…

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lawhawk  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:52:57am

re: #234 Citizen K

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:54:34am

re: #146 Scottish Dragon

Yeah. Some of the stuff I have read from military folks on twitter suggests they are not real happy with this just before Thanksgiving. They all know it is fake.

Yep the soldiers already at the border are doing make work like shoveling horse manure. Those 5k new troops being sent are just a political stunt.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:54:41am

re: #249 lawhawk

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Absurd policy that every President in your lifetime except this one supports.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:55:51am

re: #247 Scottish Dragon

No. the 14th amendment is really, really clear that birthright citizenship is across the board to everybody. Anybody born in US soil to parents who are subject to US jurisdiction is a citizen.

“Subject to its jurisdiction” excludes diplomats of foreign nations.

It can also be argued to mean an undocumented immigrant (since the only thing that person is subject to is deportation to his or her own country).

Interestingly, of the states that existed during Reconstruction, Ohio and New Jersey only ratified the amendment in 2003

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:56:04am
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Belafon  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:56:41am

re: #252 Anymouse ??

Then an undocumented immigrant can’t be arrested for murder.

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freetoken  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:56:44am
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DodgerFan1988  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:57:20am
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lawhawk  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:57:55am

The GOP is intent on rolling back all civil and voting rights to pre Dred Scot.

They want to gut civil and voting rights, and this is direct refutation of 150 years of social progress.

The white nationalists are showing that they care only about denying minorities and nonwhites of their rights.

The GOP wants to strip people of their civil and voting rights.

Graham’s latest insanity show that they don’t care about the plain language of the Constitution either. Contextualists/originalists my ass.

They are amoral and intent on destroying the rights of nonwhites so that a white minority can retain power and feel better about themselves.

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Skip Intro  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:58:38am

re: #249 lawhawk

IT doesn’t matter if it’s doable or not. Once again this is to fire up the base and keep the House. Expect it to get worse every day now (as though it isn’t already).

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lawhawk  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:59:07am

re: #256 DodgerFan1988

Seeking asylum is legal immigration.

The GOP wants to end legal immigration for anyone who isn’t a white Christian from Europe.

This is straight up white supremacist bulkshit.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:59:14am

“… O’Rielly claimed that “municipalities such as Chattanooga, Tennessee, and Wilson, North Carolina, have been notorious for their use of speech codes in the terms of service of state-owned networks, prohibiting users from transmitting content that falls into amorphous categories like ‘hateful’ or ‘threatening,’” citing research by Professor Enrique Armijo of the Elon University School of Law.

There are no well-known examples of public broadband censoring content in the U.S. …”

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freetoken  Oct 30, 2018 • 8:59:59am

re: #248 calochortus

And presumably, expensive?

Compared to what it does… not so much. But it is the luxury tablet. They start at $999 I believe.

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Citizen K  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:00:02am

re: #252 Anymouse ??

“Subject to its jurisdiction” excludes diplomats of foreign nations.

It can also be argued to mean an undocumented immigrant (since the only thing that person is subject to is deportation to his or her own country).

Interestingly, of the states that existed during Reconstruction, Ohio and New Jersey only ratified the amendment in 2003

Almost anyone in the country, unless explicitly given diplomatic immunity of some sort, is ‘subject to the jurisdiction of the United States’. That’s how even non-citizens get rights like habeas corpus, and the like. The constitution in fact doesn’t explicitly mention rights as being only given to citizens unless it’s specifically about voting rights.

If you’re in the US, you’re in its jurisdiction. Full stop.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:00:09am

re: #260 FormerDirtDart ????

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:00:15am

re: #254 Belafon

Then an undocumented immigrant can’t be arrested for murder.

Sure he could. “Subject to jurisdiction” refers to the citizenship of the person, not whether that person is required to follow the laws of the nation. (Note you can’t arrest a diplomat for murder unless the country agrees though, all you can do is deport the diplomat.)

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:01:05am

re: #252 Anymouse ??

Interestingly, of the states that existed during Reconstruction, Ohio and New Jersey only ratified the amendment in 2003

Wow, did not know that.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:02:01am

re: #256 DodgerFan1988

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Quite obvious to everyone that the GOP has finally completely its transformation into a white nationalist, Nativist political party.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:02:41am

re: #252 Anymouse ??

“Subject to its jurisdiction” excludes diplomats of foreign nations.

Yes, which is why I specifically mentioned that.

It can also be argued to mean an undocumented immigrant (since the only thing that person is subject to is deportation to his or her own country).

Nope. If you do not have diplomatic immunity, you are subject to our jurisdiction and the 14th applies.

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Jay C  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:02:47am

re: #252 Anymouse ??

Interestingly, of the states that existed during Reconstruction, Ohio and New Jersey only ratified the [14th] amendment in 2003

Only symbolically meaningful: a lot of states didn’t bother formally ratifying various Amendments once the majority had done so (and put said amendments into Constitutional force).

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Belafon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:02:49am

re: #264 Anymouse ??

Sure he could. “Subject to jurisdiction” refers to the citizenship of the person, not whether that person is required to follow the laws of the nation. (Note you can’t arrest a diplomat for murder unless the country agrees though, all you can do is deport the diplomat.)

And the constitution says that if the person is subject to the jurisdition of the laws of the US, then children born of that person are US citizens. then, if they are born here, they are citizens.

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lawhawk  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:02:57am

Hillary was right, as with most things relating to Trump.

Trump wants to steamroll over the Constitution and federal law, and doesn’t care about the rule of law. Neither, it seems, does the GOP, including members of Congress that should know better.

They don’t care. They’re enabling a corrupt and compromised authoritarian know nothing every step of the way.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:03:20am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Rolls eyes.

Be careful, this one may cause them to roll right out…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:04:10am

re: #270 lawhawk

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Hillary was right, as with most things relating to Trump.

Trump wants to steamroll over the Constitution and federal law, and doesn’t care about the rule of law. Neither, it seems, does the GOP, including members of Congress that should know better.

They don’t care. They’re enabling a corrupt and compromised authoritarian know nothing every step of the way.

She was far more right about Trump than Sanders was. She correctly saw him as an unique danger.

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Belafon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:04:33am

re: #269 Belafon

I edited this. Please reload before replying.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:04:37am

re: #271 FormerDirtDart ????

Be careful, this one may cause them to roll right out…

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I can’t even.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:05:06am

re: #234 Citizen K

In addition, I plan to introduce legislation along the same lines as the proposed executive order from President @realDonaldTrump.

— Lindsey Graham

“In addition I plan to do whatever the WH tells me to do, and even to anticipate what the WH might tell me to do.”

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danarchy  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:06:03am

re: #267 Scottish Dragon

Yes, which is why I specifically mentioned that.

Nope. If you do not have diplomatic immunity, you are subject to our jurisdiction and the 14th applies.

Unfortunately the constitution only means what 5 members of the supreme court says it means for all practical purposes.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:06:50am

re: #271 FormerDirtDart ????

You know what happened in 1776 when thousands of foreigners tried to invade America and claim it as their own?

We shot them.#MigrantCaravan

— Breck Worsham ????

We enlisted them in the Revolutionary Army (Lafayette, Baron von Steuben, etc)?

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:07:06am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

She was far more right about Trump than Sanders was. She correctly saw him as an unique danger.

Hillary was right about everything regarding him.

Strangely, so were Rubio, Bush and Ted Cruz….

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:07:16am

re: #257 lawhawk

Conservatism is opposed to democracy, and always has been.

That’s why conservatives have sought to remove the XVII Amendment (direct election of senators) and the XIX Amendment (women’s suffrage).

While it’s unlikely they could do that, they could continue to write laws restricting those amendments to render them ineffective. The playbook is already there for that (Jim Crow, abortion rights).

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:08:42am

re: #268 Jay C

Only symbolically meaningful: a lot of states didn’t bother formally ratifying various Amendments once the majority had done so (and put said amendments into Constitutional force).

Right, I just find it surprising that some states didn’t go ahead and get on the bandwagon, especially since there was nothing at stake.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:08:44am

re: #277 Sir John Barron

We enlisted them in the Revolutionary Army (Lafayette, Baron von Steuben, etc)?

John Paul Jones, Casimir Pulaski….

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:08:45am

re: #267 Scottish Dragon

Yes, which is why I specifically mentioned that.

Nope. If you do not have diplomatic immunity, you are subject to our jurisdiction and the 14th applies.

And that’s precisely the sort of question (what does the Constitution really mean) that goes to the Supreme Court.

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BeachDem  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:10:37am

re: #275 Sir John Barron

“In addition I plan to do whatever the WH tells me to do, and even to anticipate what the WH might tell me to do.”

Also note Lindsey’s new twitpic—grinning ear to ear with the newest supreme. Chilling.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:10:49am

re: #271 FormerDirtDart ????

Be careful, this one may cause them to roll right out…

“Pro-Life” I bet on this Tweeter’s profile.

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ObserverArt  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:11:23am

re: #230 b.d.(soros funded)

Why would Graham introduce legislation when Trump can act with an executive order?

The writing of this TV show really has gone downhill in Season 2

Graham is playing along with Trump and to Trump’s base.

Graham has become the biggest wimp in the Senate, though it is hard to judge who actually leads that.

Sure, he gets all riled up and lashes out like he is really pissed…and then two minutes later in a back room he is laughing about how well he did.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:11:25am

re: #282 Anymouse ??

And that’s precisely the sort of question (what does the Constitution really mean) that goes to the Supreme Court.

What question?? I really have trouble seeing even GOP jurists taking this one seriously.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:12:56am

This map shows polling stations disappearing (presumably to suppress voting, another example of a right which can be removed by legislation).

It appears to be dated (as my state has mail voting).

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:12:59am

re: #281 Scottish Dragon

John Paul Jones, Casimir Pulaski….

Haym Salomon
Gershom Seixas

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:13:51am
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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:14:26am

re: #284 Sir John Barron

Aaand, Breck Worsham’s Twitter account is gone.

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lawhawk  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:14:28am

re: #277 Sir John Barron

Alexander Hamilton.
Ko?ciuszko
Pulaski
Steuben
De Kalb

Immigrants: WE GET THE JOB DONE.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:15:18am

re: #289 FormerDirtDart ????

When did The Onion start reporting facts or predicting the future?

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lawhawk  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:16:10am

re: #292 Sir John Barron

November 2016

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:17:11am

re: #290 Anymouse ??

Aaand, Breck Worsham’s Twitter account is gone.

Too bad, someone should ask her, it, them, what happened when Europeans invaded North American soil between 1607 and 1620 (and before), or what should have happened to the invaders.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:17:26am

re: #286 Scottish Dragon

What question?? I really have trouble seeing even GOP jurists taking this one seriously.

Conservatives have argued against birthright citizenship as long as it has existed. I don’t have trouble imagining it at all. This would be the Supreme Court which has a jurist who claimed a trucker should freeze to death rather than abandon his load, another jurist who says “we’re a post-racial society,” a brand-new jurist who thinks the President cannot be prosecuted (if he’s a Republican).

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:17:50am
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calochortus  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:17:53am

re: #287 Anymouse ??

This map shows polling stations disappearing (presumably to suppress voting, another example of a right which can be removed by legislation).

It appears to be dated (as my state has mail voting).

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Some of the polling site reduction must be because of vote-by-mail-like WA and OR. An interesting graphic, but it lacks specifics.

Anyway, I’d better get moving. I’ve got an appointment in half an hour and need to, you know, actually get there.

BBL

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:18:45am

re: #296 FormerDirtDart ????

“Hey, look, ‘originalism’ means whatever I want it to mean.”

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:19:39am
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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:20:40am

re: #298 Sir John Barron

“Hey, look, ‘originalism’ means whatever I want it to mean.”

That would be pretty original, so, yeah.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:20:46am

re: #293 lawhawk

November 2016

re: #292 Sir John Barron

When did The Onion start reporting facts or predicting the future?

Earlier than that: politics.theonion.com

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gwangung  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:21:33am

If “illegal” immigrants aren’t subject to US jurisdiction, doesn’t that mean that immigration laws don’t apply to them?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:21:44am

re: #296 FormerDirtDart ????

In addition, I plan to introduce legislation along the same lines as the proposed executive order from President @realDonaldTrump.

— Lindsey Graham

Should get heavy play in Democratic ads around the country.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:23:13am

re: #281 Scottish Dragon

John Paul Jones, Casimir Pulaski….

John Barry, father of the Navy was from Wexford, Ireland. Paine was from England.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:23:16am

re: #303 Sir John Barron

Should get heavy play in Democratic ads around the country.

Maybe Trump is trying to distract from Mitch McConnell’s comments that Social Security and Medicare must be reduced to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:23:35am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

THIS THREAD==>

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I have more faith in my atheist priest.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:25:02am

Hey, Charles,

I’m getting a ‘not secure’ warning on the site.

Dunno if it means anything, I just figured I’d give you a heads-up.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:25:45am

re: #302 gwangung

If “illegal” immigrants aren’t subject to US jurisdiction, doesn’t that mean that immigration laws don’t apply to them?

That’s precisely the question which has never been argued before the Supreme Court.

Everyone on any nation’s territory is subject to its laws. Birthright citizenship in the USA is only defined in court cases, and while those go back a long way, length of time is not a necessary bar to overthrowing them. There are many Supreme Court cases which have been overthrown which existed for a long time.

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gwangung  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:26:20am

re: #305 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe Trump is trying to distract from Mitch McConnell’s comments that Social Security and Medicare must be reduced to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy.

He wants to do EVERYTHING. “Distraction” is meaningless to him, because whatever actually gets by is a win for him.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:26:52am

re: #305 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe Trump is trying to distract from Mitch McConnell’s comments that Social Security and Medicare must be reduced to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy.

And notice how no one is talking about a bigot shooting up a synagogue or a political mail bombing campaign, both which were being hung over the GOP’s collective necks right before an election.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:26:57am

I guess Steve Bannon in his tutage of Trump on Andrew Jackson never mentioned that AJ’ was a birthright citizen being the son and brother of Scots-Irish immigrants.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:27:43am

“Jurisdiction” is not whatever self serving version the President says it is.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:28:19am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

I guess Steve Bannon in his tutage of Trump on Andrew Jackson never mentioned that AJ’ was a birthright citizen being the son and brother of Scots-Irish immigrants.

So we could say DT is going birther on Andrew Jackson? LOLOL

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:28:56am

re: #308 Anymouse ??

That’s precisely the question which has never been argued before the Supreme Court.

Everyone on any nation’s territory is subject to its laws. Birthright citizenship in the USA is only defined in court cases, and while those go back a long way, length of time is not a necessary bar to overthrowing them. There are many Supreme Court cases which have been overthrown which existed for a long time.

But birthright citizenship was a principle of English Common Law long before the United States existed. All the XIVth did was extend it to people who had formerly been slaves, and therefore not citizens. It’s done its job, but the legal principle still stands.

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ObserverArt  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:30:00am

re: #307 makeitstop

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He addressed that before. I think you must have just noticed it.

That’s Chrome/Google going too far.

If a page is not https: (secured) you will see that. When you log in and mess with anything that needs security like your account info, it switches to the secured https: addressing and the pages are secured.

It’s frustrating because if you have just a plain old site that has no need for security because you are not asking viewers to do anything that needs security you get that message. It freaks people out.

And I think they just recently made it worse by making it red. It has been there for a year or more.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:31:07am

re: #312 Unshaken Defiance

“Jurisdiction” is not whatever self serving version the President says it is.

And if the court and GOP congress agrees with you, you’re right. But Trump isn’t saying anything different than conservatives have said all my life.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:31:24am

re: #313 Unshaken Defiance

So we could say DT is going birther on Andrew Jackson? LOLOL

Ha yeah but I doubt he knows that Jackson’s folks were immigrants or even that we don’t know for sure what state he was born in. And then there’s the Chester A. Arthur controversy which was the original birtherism though Arthur like Obama had an American born parent.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:31:32am

re: #310 Anymouse ??

And notice how no one is talking about a bigot shooting up a synagogue or a political mail bombing campaign, both which were being hung over the GOP’s collective necks right before an election.

Or Khashoggi.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:32:14am

re: #292 Sir John Barron

When did The Onion start reporting facts or predicting the future?

Others have noted that The Onion actually can no longer really satirize current events.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:32:40am

re: #314 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

But birthright citizenship was a principle of English Common Law long before the United States existed. All the XIVth did was extend it to people who had formerly been slaves, and therefore not citizens. It’s done its job, but the legal principle still stands.

That goes into the claim sovereign citizens make, that they are natural citizens, while descendants of slaves were created by the government as citizens.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:32:43am

re: #316 Anymouse ??

And if the court and GOP congress agrees with you, you’re right. But Trump isn’t saying anything different than conservatives have said all my life.

Well movement conservatives like Coulter have been saying this yes but this is pretty out of right field for a President to come out against birth right citizenship. No admirer of the W Bush, Reagan, or Nixon but none of them opposed birth right citizenship and talked about gutting it.

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danarchy  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:32:58am

re: #286 Scottish Dragon

What question?? I really have trouble seeing even GOP jurists taking this one seriously.

The current conservative legal argument is that illegal immigrants are only partially subjected to US jurisdiction. The US cannot draft an illegal into it’s military, cannot prosecute an illegal for treason since they owe us no allegiance, etc etc.

It is a pretty thin argument, but I could totally see the right court going for it. In this case I don’t think Roberts would bite, he seems to be at least a little bit concerned about the courts legitimacy and legacy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:32:59am

re: #318 Hecuba’s daughter

Or Khashoggi.

Khashoggi feels like a year ago.

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ObserverArt  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:33:38am

re: #310 Anymouse ??

And notice how no one is talking about a bigot shooting up a synagogue or a political mail bombing campaign, both which were being hung over the GOP’s collective necks right before an election.

I don’t think there is one Jewish person in this country that is not talking/thinking about Pittsburgh. And there are many others too.

I really do believe we are at a point where many people realize they can no longer count on any mainstream media, especially TV Networks. It is the internet and people talking to each other directly that is keeping Trump crap in the know.

Just like we are doing here.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:33:47am

re: #322 danarchy

The current conservative legal argument is that illegal immigrants are only partially subjected to US jurisdiction. The US cannot draft an illegal into it’s military, cannot prosecute an illegal for treason since they owe us no allegiance, etc etc.

It is a pretty thin argument, but I could totally see the right court going for it. In this case I don’t think Roberts would bite, he seems to be at least a little bit concerned about the courts legitimacy and legacy.

I think Roberts would be loathe to overturn 120 years of precedent though he was willing to overturn 50 when he gutted VRA.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:33:55am

re: #318 Hecuba’s daughter

Or Khashoggi.

Who?

See?

(took me a couple of secs)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:34:30am

re: #315 ObserverArt

He addressed that before. I think you must have just noticed it.

That’s Chrome/Google going too far.

If a page is not https: (secured) you will see that. When you log in and mess with anything that needs security like your account info, it switches to the secured https: addressing and the pages are secured.

It’s frustrating because if you have just a plain old site that has no need for security because you are not asking viewers to do anything that needs security you get that message. It freaks people out.

And I think they just recently made it worse by making it red. It has been there for a year or more.

And what’s fun is when sites switch without telling anybody. I thought Fred Meyer was offline for months because my bookmark didn’t have an “s” in it.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:35:09am

re: #322 danarchy

The current conservative legal argument is that illegal immigrants are only partially subjected to US jurisdiction. The US cannot draft an illegal into it’s military, cannot prosecute an illegal for treason since they owe us no allegiance, etc etc.

It is a pretty thin argument, but I could totally see the right court going for it. In this case I don’t think Roberts would bite, he seems to be at least a little bit concerned about the courts legitimacy and legacy.

Not entirely sure an illegal can’t be drafted, since they can actually volunteer for the armed forces. I would imagine that draft laws could easily be made to take in undocumented immigrants.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:35:46am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

I think Roberts would be loathe to overturn 120 years of precedent though he was willing to overturn 50 when he gutted VRA.

I don’t think it would ever be granted cert to get to SCOTUS.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:36:07am

re: #324 ObserverArt

I don’t think there is one Jewish person in this country that is not talking/thinking about Pittsburgh. And there are many others too.

I really do believe we are at a point where many people realize they can no longer count on any mainstream media, especially TV Networks. It is the internet and people talking to each other directly that is keeping Trump crap in the know.

Just like we are doing here.

I was just telling a distant relative on my mom’s side about how the city of Pittsburgh helped shape my identity. And I’m not just talking about as a lover of awesome greasy foods like pierogis and Primanti brothers sandwiches but of how looking at people as people beyond class, religion, and nationality. My Dad’s grandparents and parents all did that in that city.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:36:28am

re: #329 Scottish Dragon

I don’t think it would ever be granted cert to get to SCOTUS.

Yeah I don’t think so either.

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lawhawk  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:38:11am

re: #329 Scottish Dragon

I don’t think it would ever be granted cert to get to SCOTUS.

Rule of 4.

If four agree to hear, it gets heard.

That means if Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Thomas, and Alito want to hear it, it gets heard.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:38:15am
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Belafon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:38:57am

re: #332 lawhawk

Rule of 4.

If four agree to hear, it gets heard.

That means if Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Thomas, and Alito want to hear it, it gets heard.

Which I thought was interesting since they didn’t want to review the PA redistricting map.

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ObserverArt  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:38:58am

re: #329 Scottish Dragon

I don’t think it would ever be granted cert to get to SCOTUS.

re: #331 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t think so either.

In a way Trump does this shit to also depress Democrats/liberals/progressives.

He wants people to get frustrated and say fuck it I don’t care and then not vote.

It cuts both ways.

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MsJ  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:39:58am

re: #307 makeitstop

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:40:59am

re: #332 lawhawk

Rule of 4.

If four agree to hear, it gets heard.

That means if Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Thomas, and Alito want to hear it, it gets heard.

Kavanaugh and Thomas I think would. Alito and Gorsuch especially I’m less sure.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:41:27am

re: #335 ObserverArt

In a way Trump does this shit to also depress Democrats/liberals/progressives.

He wants people to get frustrated and say fuck it I don’t care and then not vote.

It cuts both ways.

It’s made me more determined but I can see why it would have that impact too.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:42:15am

re: #332 lawhawk

Rule of 4.

If four agree to hear, it gets heard.

That means if Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Thomas, and Alito want to hear it, it gets heard.

This is not really one of those things this crew gets excited about. Maybe Thomas, since he has really effed up ideas about original intent. But the others? They like killing unions and that sort of country club GOP thing. This is real explicit white power stuff that I have trouble seeing them get behind.

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gwangung  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:43:55am

re: #335 ObserverArt

In a way Trump does this shit to also depress Democrats/liberals/progressives.

He wants people to get frustrated and say fuck it I don’t care and then not vote.

Well, fuck that. I’m voting from now and forever against this shit, and I’m getting my peers to do the same thing.

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sagehen  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:44:02am

re: #252 Anymouse ??

“Subject to its jurisdiction” excludes diplomats of foreign nations.

It can also be argued to mean an undocumented immigrant (since the only thing that person is subject to is deportation to his or her own country).

Interestingly, of the states that existed during Reconstruction, Ohio and New Jersey only ratified the amendment in 2003

In the 1860’s, and for decades afterwards, “subject to its jurisdiction” also excluded Indians on reservations.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:44:14am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

Well movement conservatives like Coulter have been saying this yes but this is pretty out of right field for a President to come out against birth right citizenship. No admirer of the W Bush, Reagan, or Nixon but none of them opposed birth right citizenship and talked about gutting it.

Movement Conservatism informs conservative presidential candidates. Reagan didn’t have the benefit of the entire farm team of hate radio and FOX News to relentless tell what conservative politicians to think.

Here’s an NPR piece discussing the ambiguity of jurisdiction from 2015, citing the Center for Immigration Studies as a conservative think tank, not a hate group. (NPR has been at this for a long time as well, which had me in a heated exchange with Morning Edition earlier this year when they made the same claim again - NPR insisted that was simply an interpretation of the group).

npr.org (Aug, 2015)

The other five birther conspiracies against Presidential candidates besides President Obama.
constitutioncenter.org

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:44:25am

re: #339 Scottish Dragon

This is not really one of those things this crew gets excited about. Maybe Thomas, since he has really effed up ideas about original intent. But the others? They like killing unions and that sort of country club GOP thing. This is real explicit white power stuff that I have trouble seeing them get behind.

That is what differentiates Trump from the past GOP presidents. It’s why while I see what AM means when he correctly points out that the GOP has been fucked up for his entire life that we’re on unique territory with Trump. The fact that David Duke openly admires this President is disturbing and say what you will about W but Duke never saw him as an ally. He does with this President, there is a reason for that.

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lawhawk  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:44:41am

re: #339 Scottish Dragon

The Voting Rights Act was gutted by Roberts, who claimed we’re essential beyond race now.

The consequences of that action has been wave after wave of voter suppression efforts that deprive millions of their civil and voting rights.

This is not by accident. And I think you’re holding Roberts to a higher standard than he holds himself.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:45:35am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

I think Roberts would be loathe to overturn 120 years of precedent though he was willing to overturn 50 when he gutted VRA.

So, only the length of time would matter to Roberts? Since I do not ascribe to the concept of faith, I do not hold your certainty.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:45:41am

re: #342 Anymouse ??

Movement Conservatism informs conservative presidential candidates. Reagan didn’t have the benefit of the entire farm team of hate radio and FOX News to relentless tell what conservative politicians to think.

Here’s an NPR piece discussing the ambiguity of jurisdiction from 2015, citing the Center for Immigration Studies as a conservative think tank, not a hate group. (NPR has been at this for a long time as well, which had me in a heated exchange with Morning Edition earlier this year when they made the same claim again - NPR insisted that was simply an interpretation of the group).

npr.org (Aug, 2015)

The other five birther conspiracies against Presidential candidates besides President Obama.
constitutioncenter.org

I see what you’re saying and I don’t entirely disagree with your take but I do think that in many ways Trump is unique. That’s not saying that his predecessors of the GOP party line were admirable or even good people but that he’s really unique.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:46:23am

Wait, what?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:47:20am

re: #345 Anymouse ??

So, only the length of time would matter to Roberts? Since I do not ascribe to the concept of faith, I do not hold your certainty.

Well precedent is a big thing in law. I don’t get Roberts though. Gutted the VRA which is over 50 years old but kept ACA. And I didn’t say Roberts would certainly uphold that aspect of the precedent but rather that I feel he would due to its age. It’s an assessment based on observation of law, Roberts’ past rulings, etc.

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ObserverArt  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:49:04am

re: #343 HappyWarrior

That is what differentiates Trump from the past GOP presidents. It’s why while I see what AM means when he correctly points out that the GOP has been fucked up for his entire life that we’re on unique territory with Trump. The fact that David Duke openly admires this President is disturbing and say what you will about W but Duke never saw him as an ally. He does with this President, there is a reason for that.

David Duke had his rise in the late 70s and early 80s and then was pretty much shunned until the Orange Bloat ran for President.

Draining the swamp allows you to see what has resided at the bottom and still has life once it gets out of the goo.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:49:36am

The Supreme Court ruled in 2015 Samoans do not have birthright citizenship, because American Samoa is an unorganised territory.

pbs.org

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:50:36am

re: #344 lawhawk

The Voting Rights Act was gutted by Roberts, who claimed we’re essential beyond race now.

The consequences of that action has been wave after wave of voter suppression efforts that deprive millions of their civil and voting rights.

This is not by accident. And I think you’re holding Roberts to a higher standard than he holds himself.

That may well be true. This is so utterly. farcically dangerous to allow a POTUS to essentially assume dictatorial control of amending the Constitution that I have to presume that some GOP jurists somewhere start hand waving and say “No!”. We know that congress will not, but I have to hope that some degree of independence still exists somewhere in the judiciary…because if it doesn’t, then this really is the end of the American experiment and from here out is rule by men with guns.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:51:46am

One thing I liked studying in college was how you have differences even within the same ideology. I was particularly interested in the differences between the three big fascist movements of Europe: Mussolini’s Italy, Hitler’s Germany, and Franco’s Spain. All had a lot in common but there were some subtle differences just like the USSR and PRC had its differences as well and even individual leaders i.e. Khrushchev differing from Stalin and Deng from Mao. The same today applies to how someone like Trump differs from Bush. Bush’s idea of America wasn’t racially or even place of birth based. Bush for all my faults with him and man I have tons believed in the America as an idea where your desire to be an American matters more than you were from originally and that’s a key point where Trump differs from the conventional conservative Republican of the past 50 years. It doesn’t mean that conservative Republicans of the past 50 years were admirable but rather that many including Bush and even Reagan got what it meant to be an American.

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ObserverArt  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:52:53am

re: #350 Anymouse ??

The Supreme Court ruled in 2015 Samoans do not have birthright citizenship, because American Samoa is an unorganised territory.

pbs.org

But if a Samoan came to the US mainland and had a child then they would be covered. Right?

It more or less says that right in the first paragraph. You may be stretching to make a point.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:53:02am

re: #348 HappyWarrior

Well precedent is a big thing in law. I don’t get Roberts though. Gutted the VRA which is over 50 years old but kept ACA. And I didn’t say Roberts would certainly uphold that aspect of the precedent but rather that I feel he would due to its age. It’s an assessment based on observation of law, Roberts’ past rulings, etc.

It is simple when viewed in this light: He is a conservative.

His ruling on the ACA was narrowly defined as Congress’s authority to impose a tax (he held the individual mandate as a tax). Any tax Congress imposes, another Congress can take away.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:54:06am

re: #350 Anymouse ??

The Supreme Court ruled in 2015 Samoans do not have birthright citizenship, because American Samoa is an unorganised territory.

pbs.org

Appeals court you mean. Also a really, really weird case since the island has legal stuff in place that would be utterly unconstitutional anywhere else. So the folks there are considered nationals, but not citizens according to the agreement when the island came under US control.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:54:09am

re: #351 Scottish Dragon

That may well be true. This is so utterly. farcically dangerous to allow a POTUS to essentially assume dictatorial control of amending the Constitution that I have to presume that some GOP jurists somewhere start hand waving and say “No!”. We know that congress will not, but I have to hope that some degree of independence still exists somewhere in the judiciary…because if it doesn’t, then this really is the end of the American experiment and from here out is rule by men with guns.

Congress has the sole power to declare war. Surprise, the War Powers Act abdicates that power to the President.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:54:41am

Made me laugh..

The way Trump is crashing funerals might earn him an honorary membership with the Westboro Baptist Church though.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:55:03am
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lawhawk  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:55:18am

Beware of a story that may be dropping in coming days around Mueller and allegations of wrongdoing by him or those in his investigation.

The entire thing reeks, and it’s about journalists falling for bulkshit - all to benefit Trumpworld. This is the same kind of thing that went on ahead of the 2016 election re: Clinton and the emails.

Some right wingers (Rudy, Stone, etc.) were saying something would happen, and days later it dropped.

Now, we’ve got Wohl and others saying similar things.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:55:25am

re: #353 ObserverArt

But if a Samoan came to the US mainland and had a child then they would be covered. Right?

It more or less says that right in the first paragraph. You may be stretching to make a point.

Hawaii is close enough.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:55:38am

re: #354 Anymouse ??

It is simple when viewed in this light: He is a conservative.

His ruling on the ACA was narrowly defined as Congress’s authority to impose a tax (he held the individual mandate as a tax). Any tax Congress imposes, another Congress can take away.

That is true. I honestly have no idea how he’d rule. I’m just pointing out that birthright citizenship has been on the books a long time. Every person born in this country right now is a citizen because of it. I’m not saying it can’t happen. My gut instinct as a paralegal is like that of CD’s and I think it won’t happen but I’ve been proven wrong unfortunately before.

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ObserverArt  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:56:16am

re: #360 Scottish Dragon

Hawaii is close enough.

Yes, I shouldn’t have said mainland. Doh!

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:56:49am

re: #355 Scottish Dragon

Appeals court you mean. Also a really, really weird case since the island has legal stuff in place that would be utterly unconstitutional anywhere else. So the folks there are considered nationals, but not citizens according to the agreement when the island came under US control.

U.S. top court rejects American Samoan birthright citizenship bid (Reuters, more at the link)

The Supreme Court on Monday left in place a lower-court ruling preserving American Samoa’s status as the only overseas U.S. territory without birthright U.S. citizenship, rejecting a legal challenge aimed at making people born there automatic citizens.

The justices declined to hear an appeal of a 2015 ruling by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit that went against five American Samoans led by Leneuoti Tuaua arguing for birthright citizenship.

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lawhawk  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:58:34am
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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 9:59:40am

re: #363 Anymouse ??

American Samoa has been a U.S. territory since 1900. The U.S. Congress previously has decided on a territory-by-territory basis whether people born in the various overseas territories including Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands and the Northern Mariana Islands automatically become U.S. citizens. American Samoa was the only one denied birthright citizenship.

So…I’m not sure what your point is unless the ‘illegal’ immigrants are taking a reeeeeal long ship journey to Polynesia.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:00:36am

re: #350 Anymouse ??

Samoans don’t have birthright citizenship?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:00:41am

re: #364 lawhawk

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:01:49am

re: #364 lawhawk

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How to make enemies and get killed in prison….

All the same, federal authorities were damned stupid to let that happen and an investigation needs to proceed. They knew this guy had a target on his back and they still let him get killed. You start to wonder if it was deliberate.

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KGxvi  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:02:16am

This racist motherfucker thinks he can change the constitution with an executive order:

“It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don’t,” he said, adding that he has run it by his counsel. “You can definitely do it with an act of Congress. But now they’re saying I can do it just with an executive order,” Trump said.

I find it pretty much incomprehensible that the Courts would uphold either an executive order or a new statute that repealed the essential holding of US v Wong Kim Ark

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:02:28am

re: #364 lawhawk

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Whoa. Someone balanced a ledger today.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:02:46am

re: #359 lawhawk

Beware of a story that may be dropping in coming days around Mueller and allegations of wrongdoing by him or those in his investigation.

The entire thing reeks, and it’s about journalists falling for bulkshit - all to benefit Trumpworld. This is the same kind of thing that went on ahead of the 2016 election re: Clinton and the emails.

Some right wingers (Rudy, Stone, etc.) were saying something would happen, and days later it dropped.

Now, we’ve got Wohl and others saying similar things.

The only answer to Jacob Wohl (insufficiently notable to be in Wikipedia LOL) is “convicted felon says what?”

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:03:42am

re: #366 Sufficient unto the day…

Samoans don’t have birthright citizenship?

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Nope.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:05:30am

Anybody got any background on this Stedman guy? He appears to be some schmoe on the internet.

How did he land this story?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:06:43am

I doubt Trump wil get his wish on Birthright Citizenship but IF he somehow does, he will create a permanent underclass in the United States of people who are taxed but cannot vote and have no representation.

I don’t think I need to tell you how disastrous that would be.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:07:01am

re: #373 makeitstop

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Anybody got any background on this Stedman guy? He appears to be some schmoe on the internet.

How did he land this story?

He isn’t the only one.

She is well known and reputable.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:07:52am
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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:09:31am

” MONROE, N.C. — The mother of a 1-year-old who was swept into floodwaters created by Hurricane Florence has been charged in the boy’s death. The Union County Sheriff’s Office said in a statement posted on its Facebook page that 20-year-old Dazia Ideah Lee of Charlotte is charged with involuntary manslaughter and driving on a closed or unopened highway.

“The tragic death of this child and the circumstances surrounding this case are heartbreaking,” Sheriff Eddie Cathey said in the statement. “We continue to pray for all those suffering as a result of this child’s death. However, after a very thorough investigation and taking all facts into consideration and applying the law, we feel that these charges are appropriate.”

Authorities said the water from a rain-swollen creek pushed Lee’s car off the road and left her stuck in a group of trees on the night of Sept. 16. Lee said she was able to get Kaiden Lee-Welch out of the car, but the water caused her to lose her grip. …”

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:09:49am

re: #373 makeitstop

Anybody got any background on this Stedman guy? He appears to be some schmoe on the internet.

How did he land this story?

He is an independent journalist.

A list of articles he’s written for various outlets (including The Guardian, Yahoo, Reno Gazette-Journal, &c)

muckrack.com

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:10:53am

re: #375 Scottish Dragon

He isn’t the only one.

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She is well known and reputable.

I know that. But how did Stedman find the story before anyone else? Who the hell is this guy?

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danarchy  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:11:30am

re: #364 lawhawk

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Damn, he was just transferred out of Florida. The talk around here was that it was for medical reasons and he probably didn’t have all that long left. Guess someone couldn’t wait.

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KGxvi  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:11:44am

re: #366 Sufficient unto the day…

Samoans don’t have birthright citizenship?

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There is an exception if at least one parent is a US citizen, but otherwise, no, they are nationals but not citizens.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:12:26am

re: #374 Eclectic Cyborg

I doubt Trump wil get his wish on Birthright Citizenship but IF he somehow does, he will create a permanent underclass in the United States of people who are taxed but cannot vote and have no representation.

I don’t think I need to tell you how disastrous that would be.

Nuremberg Laws II: Electric Boogaloo.

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danarchy  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:13:09am

re: #379 makeitstop

I know that. But how did Stedman find the story before anyone else? Who the hell is this guy?

Well since he says other news organizations are already working on stories my guess is he heard it in a newsroom somewhere and decided to be a dick and steal someone’s thunder.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:13:53am

It’s going to be a mainstream GOP view to end birthright citizenship by the end of my lunch.

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danarchy  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:15:10am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

It’s going to be a mainstream GOP view to end birthright citizenship by the end of my lunch.

Pretty sure it already was, just seamed so unlikely most didn’t talk about it.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:15:20am

Marcy Wheeler got the story, too.

Looks like it might have fizzled right out of the box. I’m sure Fox News and Whitebart will be all abuzz about it tomorrow, though.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:15:32am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:15:59am

re: #385 danarchy

Pretty sure it already was, just seamed so unlikely most didn’t talk about it.

True. More open I guess?

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:16:00am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

It’s going to be a mainstream GOP view to end birthright citizenship by the end of my lunch.

The overriding urge among the GOP’s rank and file is to preserve white rule at all costs - legally at first (such as what we’re seeing in these various attempts) as well as illegally (various voter suppression efforts) and if the legal methods fail, they’ll finally resort to outright violence.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:16:04am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

It’s going to be a mainstream GOP view to end birthright citizenship by the end of my lunch.

“Hey, just common sense….”

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:16:22am

re: #377 FormerDirtDart ????

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Now what about the deputies who drove on a flooded highway and drowned two women in the back of their van?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:18:47am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

It’s going to be a mainstream GOP view to end birthright citizenship by the end of my lunch.

It will be backdated so far it will be inserted into the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:18:51am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:19:17am

re: #390 Sir John Barron

“Hey, just common sense….”

Yep. Along with repeating Trump’s lie about other countries not having it.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:20:17am

re: #393 Scottish Dragon

Many people are saying the fake news media is covering up for that Slippery Robert Mueller. End the Witch Hunt Hoax now!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:20:18am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:21:10am

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

I wonder who could be behind this story….

Would love to see the network behind this get exposed.

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KGxvi  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:21:44am

re: #397 Sir John Barron

I wonder who could be behind this story….

Would love to see the network behind this get exposed.

Early betting favorite: James O’Keefe at 2:1

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:21:47am
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lawhawk  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:22:02am

re: #386 makeitstop

They’ll be spinning this as a news story that was spiked by the fake news because it would have damaged Mueller.

Just you watch…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:22:11am

re: #397 Sir John Barron

I wonder who could be behind this story….

Would love to see the network behind this get exposed.

Smells like a dude who cosplays as a nineteenth century villain with a Nixon tramp stamp.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:23:03am

re: #399 Scottish Dragon

Yeah this

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:23:22am

re: #400 lawhawk

They’ll be spinning this as a news story that was spiked by the fake news because it would have damaged Mueller.

Just you watch…

NEXT ON HANNITY

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:23:31am

re: #397 Sir John Barron

I wonder who could be behind this story….

Would love to see the network behind this get exposed.

And now we know why we haven’t from from Chuckie in a while…

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:23:32am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

It’s going to be a mainstream GOP view to end birthright citizenship by the end of my lunch.

It’s always been a mainsteam view. Politicians have used dogwhistles for it. Like other dogwhistles, Trump simply stopped using them and said what conservatives really wanted.

The idea that Trump is somehow unique is only because he didn’t use Lee Atwater’s strategy which conservatives have used since Nixon.

Since Trump, plenty of conservative politicians have been using the same strategy (and some before him like Steve King). Cory Stewart, Ron DeSantis, &c.

They haven’t won yet, but they haven’t given up the racist ideas of the JBS and Klan either.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:23:54am
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Belafon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:24:38am

re: #386 makeitstop

Marcy Wheeler got the story, too.

Looks like it might have fizzled right out of the box. I’m sure Fox News and Whitebart will be all abuzz about it tomorrow, though.

When it gets brought up, just point and laugh.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:25:15am

re: #398 KGxvi

Early betting favorite: James O’Keefe at 2:1

It will be O’Keefe. Two months from now he’ll try some other scam and his claims will still get “serious” consideration from Fox, et al.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:26:34am
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Stanley Sea  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:26:39am

This is the woman who’s son slipped out of her hands in the rushing water.

Yes, she’s black.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:26:47am

re: #405 Anymouse ??

It’s always been a mainsteam view. Politicians have used dogwhistles for it. Like other dogwhistles, Trump simply stopped using them and said what conservatives really wanted.

The idea that Trump is somehow unique is only because he didn’t use Lee Atwater’s strategy which conservatives have used since Nixon.

Since Trump, plenty of conservative politicians have been using the same strategy (and some before him like Steve King). Cory Stewart, Ron DeSantis, &c.

They haven’t won yet, but they haven’t given up the racist ideas of the JBS and Klan either.

Has it been? I’m serious here. I don’t remember talk about ending birthright citizenship being a thing in the Bush years. I’m not saying this view didn’t exist. I just disagree with your definition of mainstream.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:27:25am

re: #410 Stanley Sea

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This is the woman who’s son slipped out of her hands in the rushing water.

Yes, she’s black.

Cops get special treatment in this country. It’s bull.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:27:29am

re: #408 Sir John Barron

It will be O’Keefe. Two months from now he’ll try some other scam and his claims will still get “serious” consideration from Fox, et al.

If it has been referred to the FBI already, somebody is in trouble.

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KGxvi  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:27:52am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

Smells like a dude who cosplays as a nineteenth century villain with a Nixon tramp stamp.

My handicapping of the story:

James O’Keefe - 2:1
Roger Stone - 5:2
Mike Cernovich - 6:1
Mike Flynn Jr - 7:2
Chuck Johnson - 8:1
Donald Trump Jr - 10:1
Eric Trump - 20:1

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:27:55am

re: #398 KGxvi

Early betting favorite: James O’Keefe at 2:1

Marcy Wheeler says it wasn’t O’Keefe,

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:28:00am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Has it been? I’m serious here. I don’t remember talk about ending birthright citizenship being a thing in the Bush years. I’m not saying this view didn’t exist. I just disagree with your definition of mainstream.

People on the far right have been talking about this for 20 years or more.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:29:07am

re: #414 KGxvi

My handicapping of the story:

James O’Keefe - 2:1
Roger Stone - 5:2
Mike Cernovich - 6:1
Mike Flynn Jr - 7:2
Chuck Johnson - 8:1
Donald Trump Jr - 10:1
Eric Trump - 20:1

Ah! I had forgotten about O’Keefe. Good job, Bookie though. I like those odds.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:29:37am

re: #415 makeitstop

Marcy Wheeler says it wasn’t O’Keefe,

How about the crew behind the “It wasn’t Kav, it was some other guy who really assaulted Ford…”?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:30:04am

re: #416 Scottish Dragon

People on the far right have been talking about this for 20 years or more.

The far right, yes. The mainstream right though? This is fairly new and it’s definitely something new for a President. I’m not defending Bush or Reagan at all but they believed in birthright citizenship. Hell Bush’s own niece and nephew’s mother was an immigrant.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:30:17am

re: #413 Scottish Dragon

If it has been referred to the FBI already, somebody is in trouble.

If we’re hearing about it now, that means it happened awhile ago. And yes, someone’s ass is probably in the sling for it. Or at least, soon will be.

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mmmirele  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:30:18am

re: #255 freetoken

Mohler doesn’t care. He doesn’t give a shit. He’s the guy who can’t give is buddy CJ Mahaney the left foot of fellowship for covering up child sexual abuse.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:32:15am

Walmart, manager fined $40,000 for selling contaminated food after Fort McMurray wildfire (CBC)

Retailer agrees to donate $130,000 to the Red Cross after pleading guilty

More reason not to shop at Wal*Mart.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:32:19am

re: #414 KGxvi

The Dumb Trump Kid and The Dumber Trump Kid aren’t smart enough to do this, Chuckles doesn’t have the resources, Flynn and Cernovich would make USE of an event like this, but I don’t think its their style to start it.

That leaves Roger.

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KGxvi  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:32:21am

re: #416 Scottish Dragon

People on the far right have been talking about this for 20 years or more.

They’ve also been talking about repealing the 17th Amendment for 20 years or more. Not many people took that seriously either.

The difference today is that the conservative movement types have moved so far to the right that what was once a fringe right wing point is becoming more mainstream within the movement. I doubt that either position is actually more popular with voters as a whole, but with a unilateral polarization, it’s getting far too much attention.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:32:24am

re: #418 Sir John Barron

How about the crew behind the “It wasn’t Kav, it was some other guy who really assaulted Ford…”?

Whelan? That’s a possibility. He could be looking to redeem himself after his last fail.

Spoiler alert: No redemption, but maybe a visit from the FBI.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:33:07am

Shit I can remember Bush using his Spanish as a means of appealing to Hispanic-Americans. 18 years later I can’t imagine any Republican using the fact that they are bilingual as a means of appealing or even as something that they were proud of. Again Bush was awful but what makes Trump really really bad is that he rejects the very principles that make us Americans and it defines him.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:33:39am

re: #424 KGxvi

They’ve also been talking about repealing the 17th Amendment for 20 years or more. Not many people took that seriously either.

The difference today is that the conservative movement types have moved so far to the right that what was once a fringe right wing point is becoming more mainstream within the movement. I doubt that either position is actually more popular with voters as a whole, but with a unilateral polarization, it’s getting far too much attention.

That’s exactly what I meant.

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KGxvi  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:34:29am

re: #423 Sufficient unto the day…

The Dumb Trump Kid and The Dumber Trump Kid aren’t smart enough to do this, Chuckles doesn’t have the resources, Flynn and Cernovich would make USE of an event like this, but I don’t think its their style to start it.

That leaves Roger.

I included Harry and Llyod Trump because of the fact that it was ham handed enough to get noticed before dropping, and I’m pretty sure at this point that the Trump family crest is just a fist made of ham.

There were a few others I considered, but let’s just say the field is 30:1

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:34:36am

re: #423 Sufficient unto the day…

The Dumb Trump Kid and The Dumber Trump Kid aren’t smart enough to do this, Chuckles doesn’t have the resources, Flynn and Cernovich would make USE of an event like this, but I don’t think its their style to start it.

That leaves Roger.

What about O’Crooke.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:35:23am

re: #413 Scottish Dragon

If it has been referred to the FBI already, somebody is in trouble.

“Obviously a false flag set up by Dems to implicate GOP.”

/

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:36:00am

Okay, next up on my ‘Who is this guy/” list - Jack Burkman?

Off to the Googles I go…

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:36:06am

re: #418 Sir John Barron

How about the crew behind the “It wasn’t Kav, it was some other guy who really assaulted Ford…”?

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Belafon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:36:13am

re: #398 KGxvi

Early betting favorite: James O’Keefe at 2:1

It sounds like someone with a bit of money to throw around. Someone above mentioned a lobbyist.

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BeachDem  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:36:43am

re: #375 Scottish Dragon

He isn’t the only one.

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She is well known and reputable.

Then there’s this

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Belafon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:37:39am

re: #399 Scottish Dragon

This ties into something I thought about the other day. Trump is great at changing the subject. Democrats need to pick a few thing and stick to them, no matter what he tries. Always pivot back to the important things.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:37:51am

re: #431 makeitstop

Okay, next up on my ‘Who is this guy/” list - Jack Burkman?

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Off to the Googles I go…

Already way ahead of you:
en.wikipedia.org

Most notably behind a movement that would prohibit the NFL from signing gay players. And he’s been involved in tormenting Seth Rich’s family too.

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Nyet  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:38:58am

Charles, plz consider retweeting this, because unsuspecting people are massively retweeting a Holocaust-denying scammer who links to a denial site in his profile.

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lawhawk  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:38:58am
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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:39:00am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Has it been? I’m serious here. I don’t remember talk about ending birthright citizenship being a thing in the Bush years. I’m not saying this view didn’t exist. I just disagree with your definition of mainstream.

Mainstream: The view a majority of a group hold.

Very few conservative voters I’ve met in my life to not hold that view. Just because politicians don’t openly speak of it doesn’t make it not mainstream.

That is why I brought up Lee Atwater (in the context of racial politics). When it became -ah- unfashionable for a politician to speak openly about racial segregation, the “Southern Strategy” was born. Even today conservative politicians are occasionally exposed as members of the League of the South or Council of Conservative Citizens.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:39:12am

re: #427 HappyWarrior

Also, expect “landowners should be the only voters” to come soon. I know it was a fringy Mcfringe thing 12 years ago…a person I was close to held that view.

We…don’t get along anymore, I can’t figure out why.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:39:29am
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:39:42am

I’ve noticed that Twitter is now insidiously “de-linking” certain critical replies to prominent accounts after the tweet starts getting traction, so that the only way to see the reply is to go to the page of the person who sent it. It’s happened to me twice recently, with no notice of my having been reported or receiving any disciplinary action.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:41:14am

re: #435 Belafon

This ties into something I thought about the other day. Trump is great at changing the subject. Democrats need to pick a few thing and stick to them, no matter what he tries. Always pivot back to the important things.

That is why dems are going with health care in all local races.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:41:29am
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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:41:36am

re: #431 makeitstop

Okay, next up on my ‘Who is this guy/” list - Jack Burkman?

Off to the Googles I go…

Jack Burkman is an American lobbyist. He is the president of the lobbying firm Burkman Associates, LLC. Burkman drew significant media attention for organizing a protest against the Dallas Cowboys NFL football team after it signed Michael Sam, an openly gay football player to its practice squad. He is the host of the radio show Behind the Curtain on Radio America

en.wikipedia.org

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BeachDem  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:42:05am

re: #415 makeitstop

Marcy Wheeler says it wasn’t O’Keefe,

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POSobiec?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:42:34am

re: #439 Anymouse ??

Mainstream: The view a majority of a group hold.

Very few conservative voters I’ve met in my life to not hold that view. Just because politicians don’t openly speak of it doesn’t make it not mainstream.

That is why I brought up Lee Atwater (in the context of racial politics). When it became -ah- unfashionable for a politician to speak openly about racial segregation, the “Southern Strategy” was born. Even today conservative politicians are occasionally exposed as members of the League of the South or Council of Conservative Citizens.

Again I’m not disagreeing. I just don’t remember a majority of Republican voters holding this view in the past. And yes I know about Atwater and his “You start out saying n-word, when that doesn’t work, you start opposing busing, and then what doesn’t work, you start talking about lower taxes and cutting social services.” I’m just saying that I don’t think this is a mainstream position of conservatives the past 40 years. I really disagree with you on that one. But I do agree with your premise that the GOP base has been more extreme than the elected officials and it is my opinion that the elected officials growing more extreme is part of why we’ve gotten into this fine mess.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:43:03am

re: #431 makeitstop

Okay, next up on my ‘Who is this guy/” list - Jack Burkman?

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Off to the Googles I go…

He really hates gay NFL players.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:43:32am

re: #444 makeitstop

You beat me by seven seconds. I write too slowly.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:44:22am

re: #440 Sufficient unto the day…

Also, expect “landowners should be the only voters” to come soon. I know it was a fringy Mcfringe thing 12 years ago…a person I was close to held that view.

We…don’t get along anymore, I can’t figure out why.

Yeah I remember Coulter talking about gutting women’s right to vote but it was a fringe position. I guess I define mainstream as something that is the bread and butter of conversation.
Mainstream: The ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional; the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts.

I think the GOP mainstream has grown more extreme in the past 10 let alone 40 years. I know AM disagrees with me but I really think it has.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:44:34am

re: #446 BeachDem

POSobiec?

Jack Burkman.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:45:02am

re: #446 BeachDem

POSobiec?

Some ofher JACKass. I can make that joke since I’m technically a Jack.

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Belafon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:45:54am

re: #440 Sufficient unto the day…

Also, expect “landowners should be the only voters” to come soon. I know it was a fringy Mcfringe thing 12 years ago…a person I was close to held that view.

We…don’t get along anymore, I can’t figure out why.

There was a lawsuit a few years ago that tried to make that case.

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danarchy  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:45:58am

re: #426 HappyWarrior

Shit I can remember Bush using his Spanish as a means of appealing to Hispanic-Americans. 18 years later I can’t imagine any Republican using the fact that they are bilingual as a means of appealing or even as something that they were proud of.

Rick Scott has been running Spanish language ads.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:46:05am

Well at least the Mueller hoax is going nowhere…

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:46:45am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:46:56am

re: #454 danarchy

Rick Scott has been running Spanish language ads.

With him speaking in Spanish or just in Spanish? But fair enough.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:47:31am

re: #456 jaunte

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Shit I’m old enough to remember when this was an issue that I really respected Lindsay on even if I thought he was way too war hungry.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:47:42am

re: #450 HappyWarrior

Yeah I remember Coulter talking about gutting women’s right to vote but it was a fringe position. I guess I define mainstream as something that is the bread and butter of conversation.
Mainstream: The ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional; the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts.

I think the GOP mainstream has grown more extreme in the past 10 let alone 40 years. I know AM disagrees with me but I really think it has.

Not so fringe. Phyllis Schlafly was making that case long before Ann Coulter came along.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:47:53am

This idiot intends to go forward with this

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:48:01am

Lindsey Graham has become a dog, eating anything Trump vomits up.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:48:24am

re: #174 Scottish Dragon

I just tried to explain to some idiot on twitter that “subject to jurisdiction” means every single person on US soil except diplomats. He demanded to know where in the text it excludes diplomats and includes ‘illegal immigrants and I kinda threw up my hands and said BECAUSE DIPLOMATS ARE EXEMPT FROM OUR JURISDICTION AND IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT EXEMPT FROM OUR JURISDICTION

He’s a SeaLion trolling you. next time, just tell them that if they are interested they can read US v. Wong Kim Ark for themselves.

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danarchy  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:48:54am

re: #457 HappyWarrior

With him speaking in Spanish or just in Spanish? But fair enough.

He speaks spanish in them…sort of marginally, but he does.

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BeachDem  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:49:14am

re: #444 makeitstop

Burkman is a real piece of work.

Ah-he’s the guy with a dog named Jack, Jr. He truly is a piece of work.

washingtonpost.com

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:49:41am

re: #460 Scottish Dragon

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This idiot intends to go forward with this

Bring it, Jack.

How’s the FBI gonna feel about this guy going after one of their own? Might not end well for ol’ Jack.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:49:55am

“Burkman heads the organization American Decency, a conservative organization that claims to have 3.62 million members.”

Now, I don’t claim to know all, or even most of the dipshit conservative orgs…but 3.6 million people and I’ve never heard of it, or the guy in charge before?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:50:20am

re: #459 Anymouse ??

Not so fringe. Phyllis Schlafly was making that case long before Ann Coulter came along.

And while Phyilis was making that argument, you had Republicans that supported the ERA including Presidents. I’m NOT saying the arguments didn’t exist. I’m disagreeing with you that it was a mainstream belief. Hell Republicans themselves have shifted a lot on choice in my lifetime. There were a good amount of pro-choice GOPers when I first started following politics and now the party line is pretty much no abortions, no exceptions. That’s what I talk about when I say the mainstream has shifted. We disagree but I think it has.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:50:42am

re: #463 danarchy

He speaks spanish in them…sort of marginally, but he does.

Ah okay. Well I stand corrected but it’s definitely more rare than it was.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:51:34am

re: #466 Sufficient unto the day…

“Burkman heads the organization American Decency, a conservative organization that claims to have 3.62 million members.”

Now, I don’t claim to know all, or even most of the dipshit conservative orgs…but 3.6 million people and I’ve never heard of it, or the guy in charge before?

Yeah you’d think that an organization that would include a 1/25-30 Americans would be you know well known. Something tells me he’s full of shit.

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BeachDem  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:53:10am

re: #458 HappyWarrior

Shit I’m old enough to remember when this was an issue that I really respected Lindsay on even if I thought he was way too war hungry.

When was that? Lindsey’s been singing that sad song for years—from 2010:

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) announced Wednesday night that he is considering introducing a constitutional amendment that would change existing law to no longer grant citizenship to the children of immigrants born in the United States.

politico.com

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:53:48am

Hm. According to this, Burkman hired ‘a private intelligence outfit’ to dig on this…

Black Cube, perhaps?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:54:10am

re: #470 BeachDem

When was that? Lindsey’s been singing that sad song for years—from 2010:

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) announced Wednesday night that he is considering introducing a constitutional amendment that would change existing law to no longer grant citizenship to the children of immigrants born in the United States.

politico.com

I must have missed that. I didn’t know this was old territory for him because he was before he started kissing Trump’s ass somewhat decent on the issue at least based on statements.

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freetoken  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:54:14am

re: #466 Sufficient unto the day…

en.wikipedia.org

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KGxvi  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:54:16am

re: #426 HappyWarrior

Shit I can remember Bush using his Spanish as a means of appealing to Hispanic-Americans. 18 years later I can’t imagine any Republican using the fact that they are bilingual as a means of appealing or even as something that they were proud of. Again Bush was awful but what makes Trump really really bad is that he rejects the very principles that make us Americans and it defines him.

Rubio gave a few statements in Spanish during the 2016 campaign, I believe. I remember him commenting on something - I want to say the Cuban Thaw, maybe - in Spanish at a press conference type thing.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:55:35am

re: #474 KGxvi

Rubio gave a few statements in Spanish during the 2016 campaign, I believe. I remember him commenting on something - I want to say the Cuban Thaw, maybe - in Spanish at a press conference type thing.

Yeah I guess I misspoke. Rubio definitely uses the fact he can speak Spanish more than Cruz.

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KGxvi  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:55:35am

re: #460 Scottish Dragon

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This idiot intends to go forward with this

Somebody didn’t check his mentions before tweeting.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:56:04am

I misspoke. Thanks Dan and KG.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:56:59am

re: #466 Sufficient unto the day…

“Burkman heads the organization American Decency, a conservative organization that claims to have 3.62 million members.”

Now, I don’t claim to know all, or even most of the dipshit conservative orgs…but 3.6 million people and I’ve never heard of it, or the guy in charge before?

It’s astroturf. Outfits like that always are. The TEA party managed to be a true grassroots thing for all of two weeks before it was taken over and became another GOP fund raising cash cow. The nature of the GOP means actual grass roots organizing is anathema. The model is strictly top-down messaging and control. I did a research paper on that a few years ago concerning conservative vs progressive models of community involvement in education. GOP stuff was always dictated from outside the community and obedience was expected. Local concerns disregarded and followers expected to adopt culture war battle plans dictated from leadership.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:57:21am

re: #471 makeitstop

Hm. According to this, Burkman hired ‘a private intelligence outfit’ to dig on this…

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Black Cube, perhaps?

Could be.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:57:58am
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KGxvi  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:58:01am

re: #475 HappyWarrior

Yeah I guess I misspoke. Rubio definitely uses the fact he can speak Spanish more than Cruz.

Does Cruz speak Spanish? His mom isn’t Latina, if I remember correctly, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he grew up monolingual.

That was my experience for a variety of reasons, and even now my Spanish is… mierda.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 10:58:22am

re: #450 HappyWarrior

Yeah I remember Coulter talking about gutting women’s right to vote but it was a fringe position. I guess I define mainstream as something that is the bread and butter of conversation.
Mainstream: The ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional; the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts.

I think the GOP mainstream has grown more extreme in the past 10 let alone 40 years. I know AM disagrees with me but I really think it has.

I don’t disagree with you. They have become more extreme.

Goldwater in 1964 inviting the Klan and JBS in, Nixon’s Southern Strategy, Reagan inviting Evangelicals in and dog whistling racists and Nazis, GHW Bush stating atheists can’t be patriotic and shouldn’t be citizens, Astroturfing Tea Party “activists” losing their damn minds over Obama, and now Trump.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:01:35am

So, Preznit Fatass should be touching down in Pittsburgh any time now, right?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:03:09am

re: #480 FormerDirtDart ????

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Yeah? What are you going to do if they re-elect him? Probably welcome him back into the Caucus like nothing happened. Censure his ass.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:03:11am

re: #480 FormerDirtDart ????

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Kragar  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:04:18am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:04:25am

re: #482 Anymouse ??

I don’t disagree with you. They have become more extreme.

Goldwater in 1964 inviting the Klan and JBS in, Nixon’s Southern Strategy, Reagan inviting Evangelicals in and dog whistling racists and Nazis, GHW Bush stating atheists can’t be patriotic and shouldn’t be citizens, Astroturfing Tea Party “activists” losing their damn minds over Obama, and now Trump.

True true.And you’re getting at why I don’t like the anti-Trump right acting like Trump perverted their ideology.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:05:50am

re: #486 Kragar

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Greedy parents? Yeah Jacob. My mom’s grandparents were sooooooooo greedy when they came to this country when my Uncle was born and then Uncle Stan served in the US Army during WWII which Fred Trump, Sr did not do. Fuck you, you nativist piece of shit. You’re not a better American than those people because your parents happened to be born here.

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lawhawk  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:06:34am

re: #486 Kragar

Anchor babies and their parents?

That’s no way to talk about the Trump family. His grandfather entered illegally, which means that their children born here are birthright citizens.

These fuckers don’t care. They just want to deport anyone who isn’t white.

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:06:45am
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Kragar  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:06:46am
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KGxvi  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:06:49am

re: #488 HappyWarrior

Greedy parents? Yeah Jacob. My mom’s grandparents were sooooooooo greedy when they came to this country when my Uncle was born and then Uncle Stan served in the US Army during WWII which Fred Trump, Sr did not do. Fuck you, you nativist piece of shit. You’re not a better American than those people because your parents happened to be born here.

I thought the GOP still operated under the Wall Street mantra that, “Greed is good.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:06:52am

re: #476 KGxvi

Somebody didn’t check his mentions before tweeting.

His B-team college Republican interns missed it.

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:07:33am

re: #465 makeitstop

Bring it, Jack.

How’s the FBI gonna feel about this guy going after one of their own? Might not end well for ol’ Jack.

LOL, Hoft is on it!!!

Lock him up too

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MsJ  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:07:40am

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

Well that didn’t go as they expected.

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:08:30am

re: #494 b.d.(soros funded)

LOL, Hoft is on it!!!

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Lock him up too

UPDATE: We have the documents coming… It’s taking a bit longer than expected to prepare.

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:08:48am

re: #489 lawhawk

Anchor babies and their parents?

That’s no way to talk about the Trump family. His grandfather entered illegally, which means that their children born here are birthright citizens.

These fuckers don’t care. They just want to deport anyone who isn’t white.

Trump and his racist supporters refuse to adapt to demographic changes, and are willing to burn our country down rather than share it.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:08:55am

re: #494 b.d.(soros funded)

LOL, Hoft is on it!!!

Lock him up too

I just checked…Nope, this week is not a Due Process Week.

/

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:09:07am

re: #242 Anymouse ??

Nope. Birthright citizenship is not defined in the Constitution (aside from the XIX Amendment granting citizenship to freed slaves). It is defined in court cases, which can be overthrown by legislation.

If originalism means anything, a statute cannot change the meaning of the Constitution. But of course many conservatives are only originalists when it suits them.

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:09:27am

re: #498 Sir John Barron

I just checked…Nope, this week is not a Due Process Week.

/

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:09:53am

re: #496 b.d.(soros funded)

UPDATE: More on Seth Rich and Hillary’s Pizza place

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Citizen K  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:10:31am

re: #488 HappyWarrior

Greedy parents? Yeah Jacob. My mom’s grandparents were sooooooooo greedy when they came to this country when my Uncle was born and then Uncle Stan served in the US Army during WWII which Fred Trump, Sr did not do. Fuck you, you nativist piece of shit. You’re not a better American than those people because your parents happened to be born here.

I had family who fought in WWII during the Philippine occupation, and one who walked with a limp from gunfire and had limited hearing thanks to Japanese torture for all his life, who had dual citizenship because he fought for the US when we were still a colony.

I had family who bled and sacrificed for the US before, under duress (and I say that because there was the oft-forgotten Philippine-American war that was fought where the Philippines was forcibly kept a colony after the transfer in the wake of the Spanish-American war). So, yeah, miss me with that shit, Pie Whol.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:11:14am

re: #494 b.d.(soros funded)

LOL, Hoft is on it!!!

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Lock him up too

Looks like a spectacular bust shaping up. This is going to be delicious.

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:11:20am

Trying to frame the ex-director of the FBI doesn’t sound like a very bright idea to me?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:11:29am

re: #460 Scottish Dragon

This idiot intends to go forward with this

Some people just can’t turn off the crazy.

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:12:43am

re: #505 Sir John Barron

They’re trying to prove the Kavanaugh Theorem. “All men can be accused!”

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wrenchwench  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:13:07am

re: #497 jaunte

Trump and his racist supporters refuse to adapt to demographic changes, and are willing to burn our country down rather than share it.

I was going to start a rumor that banning people from predominantly Muslim countries went so well, that now Trump is going to ban people from predominantly Catholic countries. Then I thought, ‘That’s not a rumor, that’s a realization.’

//I wish

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:13:09am

Okay, this is getting pretty weird.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:13:59am

re: #415 makeitstop

Marcy Wheeler says it wasn’t O’Keefe,

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The Rage Furby?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:14:13am

re: #495 MsJ

Well that didn’t go as they expected.

1. We have the goods on Mueller!
2. …….
3. Dems set us up!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:14:23am

re: #509 The Vicious Babushka

The Rage Furby?

Nah some guy amed Jack Buckman.

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MsJ  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:14:28am

re: #412 HappyWarrior

Cops get special treatment in this country. It’s bull.

This is way more than special treatment. This is punishing a mother with a dead child for an accident that happened during a weather related emergency. She’s black therefore she must pay. And it’s not like they give a shit about the child. It’s about punishment.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:14:56am

re: #486 Kragar

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:16:00am

re: #513 Scottish Dragon

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If it means getting rid of Ted Cruz then I have to raise my hand.

//

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:16:08am

re: #512 MsJ

This is way more than special treatment. This is punishing a mother with a dead child for an accident that happened during a weather related emergency. She’s black therefore she must pay. And it’s not like they give a shit about the child. It’s about punishment.

I know. I was talking about the fact that they’re not prosecuting the cops at all.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:16:55am

re: #514 b.d.(soros funded)

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If it means getting rid of Ted Cruz then I have to raise my hand.

//

I think you get at why I hate Ted Cruz so much. He has benefited so much from liberal immigration policies yet he talks like Bill the Butcher.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:16:58am

re: #486 Kragar

Does Wohl just type out whatever he’s told on a given day?

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MsJ  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:18:50am

re: #432 b.d.(soros funded)
Remember this?

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:19:12am

Women who says she was offered money to accuse Mueller says she got a “last chance” call from a blocked number last nigh…guy on the phone had a Russian or east European accent.

520
Skip Intro  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:19:16am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

Khashoggi feels like a year ago.

Hey, anybody remember all those kids locked up in cages? Thought not.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:19:26am

re: #488 HappyWarrior

Greedy parents? Yeah Jacob. My mom’s grandparents were sooooooooo greedy when they came to this country when my Uncle was born and then Uncle Stan served in the US Army during WWII which Fred Trump, Sr did not do. Fuck you, you nativist piece of shit. You’re not a better American than those people because your parents happened to be born here.

My father’s parents were sooo greedy when they fled Danzig and both enlisted in the US Army (grandfather killed, grandmother in WAC). “Anchor baby” father killed in the Vietnam War.

More evidence of conservatives supporting the troops, as long as they’re the “white” ones… .

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:19:47am

This is the correct response.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:21:04am

re: #511 HappyWarrior

Nah some guy amed Jack Buckman.

Serve me right for not reading the whole thread before posting.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:21:21am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:22:34am

re: #524 makeitstop

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LOCK ‘EM UP!

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MsJ  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:22:38am

re: #448 Scottish Dragon

He really hates gay NFL players.

Yup.

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bd(soros funded)  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:23:19am

re: #524 makeitstop

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Lock them up! They can have Whitey’s cell, that’s what they’re gonna call it anyways…

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Kragar  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:23:42am

re: #513 Scottish Dragon

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Jake thinks he’s serving Tzeentch when he’s actually getting played by Nurgle

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:23:43am
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Scottish Dragon  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:24:44am

re: #528 Kragar

Jake thinks he’s serving Tzeentch when he’s actually getting played by Nurgle

One of those times when we really could use an staunch Amalthian inquisitor….

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:26:30am
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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:27:35am

re: #524 makeitstop

And the conserva-lies are already starting on that tweet.

“I thought liberals say to believe all women?”

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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:28:06am

re: #522 makeitstop

This is the correct response.

“spiraling desperation” has a nice ring to it.

534
MsJ  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:28:32am

re: #498 Sir John Barron

I just checked…Nope, this week is not a Due Process Week.

/

Infrastructure. Every week.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:28:44am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:29:32am

re: #534 MsJ

Infrastructure. Every week.

Due Process Week was for Kavanaugh.

/

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:32:51am
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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:33:11am

re: #532 Anymouse ??

And the conserva-lies are already starting on that tweet.

“I thought liberals say to believe all women?”

Did you really expect any different?

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FormerDirtDart ????  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:34:10am
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jaunte  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:34:36am
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:35:09am

re: #299 Anymouse ??

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:35:28am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:36:52am

re: #539 FormerDirtDart ????

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Uh no. He lost the popular vote but nice try, liar.

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MsJ  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:37:05am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:37:36am

re: #542 The Vicious Babushka

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Good. Trump doesn’t deserve it.

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lawhawk  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:37:45am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:38:06am

re: #544 MsJ

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Hitler would love that.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:38:14am

re: #541 Big Beautiful Door

So-called originalists do not believe the Constitution is a living document. They believe it is holy scripture.

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Kragar  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:39:19am

re: #530 Scottish Dragon

One of those times when we really could use an staunch Amalthian inquisitor….

Leaning towards Monodominant at the moment…

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:40:07am

re: #548 Anymouse ??

So-called originalists do not believe the Constitution is a living document. They believe it is holy scripture.

…which miraculously comes to life in conservative judicial seances.

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MsJ  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:40:59am

I don’t like him but he does have a way with words.

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Anymouse ??  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:41:34am

More early voting numbers from Nebraska: Democrats continue to catch up, with many ballots unreturned. I imagine the week’s news won’t be terribly good for some GOP candidates here.

All Early Vote Requests:
Democrats: 67,774
Nonpartisan: 21,746
Republican: 77,137
Unknown: 886
Total People: 167,543

Early Vote Ballots Returned for 10/29
Democrats: 3,393
Nonpartisan: 1,436
Republicans: 4,053
Unknown: 51
Total People: 8,933

Early Vote Ballots Returned to date:
Democrats: 42,915
Nonpartisan: 13,918
Republicans: 51,862
Unknown: 464
Total People: 108,439

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:41:34am

re: #307 makeitstop

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I am as well.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:42:48am

Whoduthunkit?

According to the Boston Globe, “a fellow inmate with Mafia ties” is being investigated in the murder of Whitey Bulger.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:43:51am

re: #546 lawhawk

Trump WH called the top PA and Pittsburgh officials one at a time and lied to each that the others had agreed. WH did the same to Schumer and Pelosi. No one bit. WH also trying to push Trump into hospital rooms of victims but most want no part of him.

Amateur hour.

I gotta wonder, who the hell is he going to meet with? Is he just going to show up, give a statement at the airport and go back home?

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:44:56am

This might be the clumsiest attempt a kick-starting a scandal ever.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:53:13am

re: #322 danarchy

The current conservative legal argument is that illegal immigrants are only partially subjected to US jurisdiction. The US cannot draft an illegal into it’s military, cannot prosecute an illegal for treason since they owe us no allegiance, etc etc.

It is a pretty thin argument, but I could totally see the right court going for it. In this case I don’t think Roberts would bite, he seems to be at least a little bit concerned about the courts legitimacy and legacy.

Well as discussed in Wong Kim Ark, “not subject to the jurisdiction of the US” was meant very literally. It exempts diplomats in the US, because by international law embassies are foreign soil and diplomats have immunity from local laws. It exempted Native Americans,, because they were members of sovereign tribes. And it exempted the children of foreign soldiers in hostile occupation of national territory since the nation can’t exercise authority over territory controlled by an enemy army. Unauthorized immigrants obviously can be arrested and punished for violating US laws. Any Court trying to twist that language to apply to unauthorized immigrants would truly be an activist court, not merely applying it as the framers intended, which conservatives claim to do.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 30, 2018 • 11:54:58am

re: #513 Scottish Dragon

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retired cynic  Oct 30, 2018 • 12:13:30pm

re: #377 FormerDirtDart ????

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Then irresponsible gun owners whose guns are used to kill, at least children, need to be charged as well. I wonder if she would have been charged if she was white?

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ObserverArt  Oct 30, 2018 • 12:13:58pm

re: #418 Sir John Barron

How about the crew behind the “It wasn’t Kav, it was some other guy who really assaulted Ford…”?

Might have already been answered…I just got back in and am catching up.

That was Ed Whalen, a friend of Kavanaugh. He doesn’t run a PAC and I doubt he would be involved with trying to take down Mueller.


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