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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 19, 2018 • 10:58:28am

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:02:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:04:24am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:05:45am
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:06:33am

Got CL’d on the last thread:

I just got off the phone with my dad, a retired Brigadier General. He read the transcripts of what Gen. Flynn did, and he was spitting mad; so pissed, I made him go to the bathroom and chew an aspirin, because I was afraid he was going to have a heart attack right there on the phone.

My dad spent his entire life stressing over how to fight off the Russians, and now he sees the GOP taken over by them and it’s made him incandescent with rage.

The phrase “firing squad” came up multiple times.

Wondering if I should advise the old man to take a toke these days?

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:06:49am

re: #2 lawhawk

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I guess Donny’s threats were met by deaf ears.

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Danack  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:20:06am

re: #5 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

.Wondering if I should advise the old man to take a toke these days?

On that note, I found recently that there’s a strain of Marijuana that has almost no THC, but plenty of CBD, which may make it perfect for people who need to take it for medicinal reasons, or just to relax without getting the THC high.

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:25:28am

That’s the same Justice who tagged Flynn for light treason yesterday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:26:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:27:45am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:29:01am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:29:08am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah Lindsay such a shock I know.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:30:47am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:32:34am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:33:50am

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Don’t see why this won’t pass but I can see the RWNJs having a fit.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:35:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:35:48am

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Don’t see why this won’t pass but I can see the RWNJs having a fit.

It passed:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:36:20am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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I can see Trump pulling the same slimy shit Reagan did for the Contras.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:36:34am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

It passed:

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Ah good.

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:36:51am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump still has to sign it into law…. he’s a wildcard in all this.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:37:43am

re: #20 lawhawk

Trump still has to sign it into law…. he’s a wildcard in all this.

Veto overwrite.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:38:17am

re: #18 HappyWarrior

I can see Trump pulling the same slimy shit Reagan did for the Contras.

again; Trump will hire Mexican contractors to build the Wall, then declare bankruptcy and stiff them.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:39:01am

re: #22 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again; Trump will hire Mexican contractors to build the Wall, then declare bankruptcy and stiff them.

And that’s different than flaunting Congress how?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:39:26am

re: #23 HappyWarrior

And that’s different than flaunting Congress how?

not at all, and just as illegal

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:39:39am

re: #20 lawhawk

Trump still has to sign it into law…. he’s a wildcard in all this.

I would think a unanimous vote kind of makes it veto proof.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:40:38am

re: #2 lawhawk

%@$*

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:46:54am

re: #24 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

not at all, and just as illegal

Right. He’s not going to follow the law because he’s a crooked pos.

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:52:39am

Does it seem to anyone else that the pace of the fuckery is stepping up quite a bit here?

It’s like it’s dawned on Trump that he may be on borrowed time.

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Belafon  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:54:56am

From the last thread:

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

I facebooked this because I think even the wingers need to know about it. I think it ought to be a mandatory plugin, but, considering what I know about machine learning, it will need updates frequently. I also wonder how quickly someone on the right will install it, see half the stuff on their sites get flagged, and then pull it.

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Belafon  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:55:36am

re: #28 makeitstop

Does it seem to anyone else that the pace of the fuckery is stepping up quite a bit here?

It’s like it’s dawned on Trump that he may be on borrowed time.

Yep, he knows.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:55:43am

re: #2 lawhawk

FED RAISES RATEShttps://t.co

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) December 19, 2018

Did Donnie rage tweet about it?

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:57:35am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:57:40am

re: #31 Dr. Matt

Did Donnie rage tweet about it?

I am sure he will offer it as proof that the Deep State is out to wreck his economic plans.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 11:58:00am

re: #31 Dr. Matt

Did Donnie rage tweet about it?

yesterday:

the Fed said FU, moron

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:01:09pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:01:35pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hope the people over at the Fed will read today’s Wall Street Journal Editorial before they make yet another mistake. Also, don’t let the market become any more illiquid than it already is. Stop with the 50 B’s. Feel the market, don’t just go by meaningless numbers. Good luck!

Just because you don’t understand them, Donny, does not make them meaningless.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:01:37pm

re: #2 lawhawk

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Well, I guess that explains the sudden drop. Did anyone really think they WOULDN’T? Especially after Trump trying to lean on them?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:01:43pm

re: #32 Flying Squirrel Girl

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Haha. I like Senator Brown and his wife is great too. I think he could be a good dark horse candidate in 2020. Might be a good Biden 2.0 for a younger candidate like Beto, Kamala, or Cory.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:06:20pm

The Dow continues to tank: -470.64 (-1.99%) As of 3:06PM EST.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:08:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:10:12pm

re: #40 Dr. Matt

Kansas GOPers Dinah Sykes and Stephanie Clayton flip to Democrat because far-right takeover is ‘getting worse’

But Donnie won Indiana. So, there’s that…..

It’s only gonna get worse.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:11:07pm

and just a few days ago the State Department or DoD said regardless of ISIS we will maintain our presence as a check on Hiz b’Allah and Iranian forces.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:11:35pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

It’s only gonna get worse.

The modern GOP is on life support.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:11:56pm

re: #39 Dr. Matt

The Dow continues to tank: -470.64 (-1.99%) As of 3:06PM EST.

Holy shit. This month is going to set some kind of record for most 400 plus loss days, I swear.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:15:23pm

bastards

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:15:24pm

re: #42 Single-handed sailor

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and just a few days ago the State Department or DoD said regardless of ISIS we will maintain our presence as a check on Hez b’Allah and Iranian forces.

The Kurds are gonna get fucked again, but that is an ongoing tradition with them and the US…

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Dr. Matt  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:15:40pm

re: #44 Eclectic Cyborg

Holy shit. This month is going to set some kind of record for most 400 plus loss days, I swear.

Right now the Dow is back at Oct 2017 levels.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:20:21pm

re: #47 Dr. Matt

Right now the Dow is back at Oct 2017 levels.

Stop looking at meaningless numbers, doesn’t it “feel” a lot higher?

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:20:28pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Let’s do a thought experiment. Can @realDonaldTrump divert $5 billion of DoD funds to build a dam because he feels like it? No, that would be illegal.

The below diversion of DoD funds to build a stupid wall would also be illegal. Congress, not @POTUS, has the power of the purse

- that we have to have this discussion at all
- in public
- on twitter
- because the president is an idiot
- who hasn’t studied (ie read), and/or doesnt know, and/or care what the constitution says
- you know - the document that describes the scope and limitations of his job

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:22:11pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

And that’s different than flaunting Congress how?

you meant ‘flouting’, right?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:22:25pm

re: #50 dangerman

you meant ‘flouting’, right?

Yes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:22:41pm

*blink*

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:23:24pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

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Lol keep talking Rudy.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:24:20pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Lol keep talking Rudy.

A real-life Lionel Hutz.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:24:54pm

Fox News Host: Trump’s Border Wall Showdown Is a ‘Read My Lips Moment’

Asman said that he agreed with Francis “up to a point,” but added that “The wall is a very specific thing for the president’s base. For the president’s base the wall, those words, ‘The Wall,’ means a lot.”

“This is one of the ‘read my lips’ moments for this president,” Asman added, referring to the now-famous campaign slogan that came back to haunt former President George H.W. Bush. “If he is viewed by his base as caving on the issue, no matter how they try to spin it at the White House, already some of the base is beginning to fray a little bit worrying that the president is giving up on this.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:24:54pm

You know your case is going well when your lawyer is sending unsolicited text messages to your detractors.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:25:40pm

re: #54 Dr Lizardo

A real-life Lionel Hutz.

Well played. But I only have one upding to give…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:26:08pm

heh

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:26:12pm

re: #54 Dr Lizardo

A real-life Lionel Hutz.

Ha yeah.

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:27:39pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Lol keep talking Rudy.

He’s really not very good at this.

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:28:07pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Lieu’s absolutely right.

But it’s no thought experiment. Congress has express power of appropriations under the US Constitution. They determine where the money goes, not the Executive.

Trump is seeking to ignore the US Constitution, thinking that he can run government like one of his scam outfits. He thinks he can take money from HUD and deliver it to DHS and no one will mind. He thinks he can take money from HHS and use that to pay for the wall.

He cannot. That’s illegal and unconstitutional. It requires an act of Congress to reappropriate the funds. IF the GOP refuses to hold Trump accountable for this, then Democrats will make sure that there are proper checks and balances.

From an institutional standpoint, Congress should be going after Trump every time he pulls this crap, but the GOP continues to enable/condone/ignore. That ends.

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:29:53pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Reading the latest Facebook exposé was the final straw for me. Today I deleted all Facebook apps from my iPhone, and I wish I’d never installed them in the first place.

i suggest to all facebook users that your lives will go on just fine without it

i have never used facebook. no personal need or desire
- to me they are just a big company that does both stupid and dangerous stuff
- some by accident, as a result of their sheer size
- other stuff because some people are nasty and evil

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:30:23pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

Oh, c’mon, Rudy. Just say it.

IOKIYAR

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:31:25pm

It sounds like the Vice President got told what’s what at the GOP Senate lunch today.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:32:14pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

bastards

We must destroy Obamacare and it’s pre-existing protections in order to save it.

/

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:33:01pm

Molly is getting the same vibe I am about Trump ramping things up…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:34:47pm

re: #55 Dr. Matt

“If he is viewed by his base as caving on the issue, no matter how they try to spin it at the White House, already some of the base is beginning to fray a little bit worrying that the president is giving up on this.”

No, or at least not yet: he is not GHW Bush, he is Donald Trump, and they will support him until the bitter end as long as he can provide some lame-assed excuses like “Mexico is paying for the wall through trade deals” and of course, blame it on recalcitrant Democrats who are not concerned about “safety and security on the border”.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:35:04pm

re: #66 makeitstop

Molly is getting the same vibe I am about Trump ramping things up…

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Trump’s scared shitless - he knows the walls are closing in and he’s just blindly thrashing around, trying to find a way out of his predicament by doing…….something. Anything, really.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:35:43pm

re: #62 dangerman

i suggest to all facebook users that your lives will go on just fine without it

i have never used facebook. no personal need or desire
- to me they are just a big company that does both stupid and dangerous stuff
- some by accident, as a result of their sheer size
- other stuff because some people are nasty and evil

I use no apps on FB

I post nothing there unless I am cool with the notion that the entire world can see it (because that is likely the case)

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:36:28pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

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rudy is turning into a really stunning idiot

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:37:56pm

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

No, or at least not yet: he is not GHW Bush, he is Donald Trump, and they will support him until the bitter end as long as he can provide some lame-assed excuses like “Mexico is paying for the wall through trade deals” and of course, blame it on recalcitrant Democrats who are not concerned about “safety and security on the border”.

I took a look at the FR fever swamp, and I noticed some of the Freepers were saying that “Trump’s caved on the wall”, “He’s consigned himself to being a one-termer” or “He’s capitulated”. So he’s starting to lose the Freepers - only a handful, to be sure, but if things continue, I expect it’ll grow. The Freepers were huge fans of W, after all - and they turned on him so fast you’d get whiplash.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:37:58pm
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calochortus  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:39:31pm

Found this cheery item on FR in a thread about deciding what should be funded by the Feds. The “he” is Trump, of course.

To: Cubs Fan

He appears to be more interested in being re-elected than taking chances. Got tired of the emails constantly asking me for money to battle the DEMs (like that wasn’t going to help this country), and ended up unsubscribing. A downer day. to be sure.

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:39:36pm

re: #65 Sir John Barron

We must destroy Obamacare and it’s pre-existing protections in order to save it.

/

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freetoken  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:41:07pm

re: #55 Dr. Matt

already some of the base is beginning to fray a little bit worrying that the president is giving up on this.”

I can’t relate to Americans whose goal for their government is to build a two thousand mile wall just because of brown people.

That’s a level of hatred and stupidity that just isn’t grokable.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:42:25pm

re: #65 Sir John Barron

We must destroy Obamacare and it’s pre-existing protections in order to save it. face

/

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KGxvi  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:45:04pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Haha. I like Senator Brown and his wife is great too. I think he could be a good dark horse candidate in 2020. Might be a good Biden 2.0 for a younger candidate like Beto, Kamala, or Cory.

I’m not sure about Brown on policy - I’m not big on the whole “dignity of work” thing because that always feels like it is always spouted by people who never had to work menial jobs, and that seems to be a big thing for him.

But, and this is a totally superficial thing, I think the hardest thing he’ll have to overcome is the sound of his voice. He’s got a very gravelly voice, and I’m not sure people are going to want to hear that voice nearly everyday for four years. Like I said, totally superficial, but something that I think will mater on a subconscious level.

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:45:17pm

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

No, or at least not yet: he is not GHW Bush, he is Donald Trump, and they will support him until the bitter end as long as he can provide some lame-assed excuses like “Mexico is paying for the wall through trade deals” and of course, blame it on recalcitrant Democrats who are not concerned about “safety and security on the border”.

there is another difference
first there was no new taxes, then there was a tax hike.
black and white
no middle ground or room for interpretation
and bush more or less owned it

trump will claim a fence is a wall
that a new one mile section is success, etc
he’ll find anything to use a proof to claim he built ‘it’ (never stating what ‘it’ is)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:47:17pm

re: #77 KGxvi

I’m not sure about Brown on policy - I’m not big on the whole “dignity of work” thing because that always feels like it is always spouted by people who never had to work menial jobs, and that seems to be a big thing for him.

But, and this is a totally superficial thing, I think the hardest thing he’ll have to overcome is the sound of his voice. He’s got a very gravelly voice, and I’m not sure people are going to want to hear that voice nearly everyday for four years. Like I said, totally superficial, but something that I think will mater on a subconscious level.

Fair points. Every candidate is going to have some roadblocks. What I like is he’s done well in a region we’ve struggled in and I feel he can talk economics without igniting race.

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:47:25pm

re: #78 dangerman

there is another difference
first there was no new taxes, then there was a tax hike.
black and white
no middle ground or room for interpretation
and bush more or less owned it

trump will claim a fence is a wall
that a new one mile section is success, etc
he’ll find anything to use a proof to claim he built ‘it’ (never stating what ‘it’ is)

He’s already attempted those latter statements, claiming repairs to existing fence, raising the height on an existing stretch of fence somehow makes it a wall.

DHS spews Trump’s bilge. Trump repeats. It’s a cycle of derp.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:47:38pm

*snerk*

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KGxvi  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:49:42pm

re: #64 Single-handed sailor

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It sounds like the Vice President got told what’s what at the GOP Senate lunch today.

Wasn’t it LBJ who said the job of VP was worth a bucket of warm piss?

In the Trump administration, the job is probably worth a paper bag of cold piss.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:50:52pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

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bastards

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:51:05pm

re: #82 KGxvi

Wasn’t it LBJ who said the job of VP was worth a bucket of warm piss?

In the Trump administration, the job is probably worth a paper bag of cold piss.

John Nance Garner iirc. I’m sure LBJ had some good one liners on it tho.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:51:32pm

Is Rudy defending Donnie or burying him? I’m so confused.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:51:46pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Can’t spell Barrasso without ass.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:51:56pm

re: #85 Dr. Matt

Is Rudy defending Donnie or burying him? I’m so confused.

Yes

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:51:58pm

re: #82 KGxvi

Wasn’t it LBJ who said the job of VP was worth a bucket of warm piss?

In the Trump administration, the job is probably worth a paper bag of cold piss.

john nance gardner

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:52:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:53:56pm
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KGxvi  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:56:06pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

Doesn’t Congress go into recess later this week until the new members are sworn in on the third?

What kind of high grade fuckery is Trump going to get up to with a two week Congressional recess?

And how much hell to pay will there be when they get back with a Democratic House in January?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 12:57:22pm

I’m getting a headache looking at this

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ipsos  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:00:01pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m getting a headache looking at this

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We’ve had one here for a few years. I drive it almost daily. At ground level it’s really simple. Traffic is very well channeled in and out… you would have to work hard to go the wrong way.

It eliminated left turns across oncoming traffic completely, and the accident rate is way down at that interchange now.

It works!

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KGxvi  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:00:28pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

That doesn’t seem too different than some of the interchanges we have in the greater LA area. Slightly more complicated, I think, but not a whole lot different.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:00:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:01:31pm

yeah, this:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:02:36pm

re: #78 dangerman

there is another difference
first there was no new taxes, then there was a tax hike.
black and white
no middle ground or room for interpretation
and bush more or less owned it

trump will claim a fence is a wall
that a new one mile section is success, etc
he’ll find anything to use a proof to claim he built ‘it’ (never stating what ‘it’ is)

and they will accept any lame argument as “proof” that he is delivering, after all, they cannot let the liberals get a leg up on them!

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Dr. Matt  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:04:33pm

The Dow closed down yet again under Donnie’s economy: -352.46 (-1.49%) At close. The Dow returned to mid-Oct 2017 levels.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:04:54pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not used to roundabouts? Just wait for diverging diamond interchanges, coming soon to West Chester and Boone County. ]

They are getting one of those outside Frankfurt because the locals cannot cope with a two-lane roundabout

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Jay C  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:07:15pm

re: #85 Dr. Matt

Is Rudy defending Donnie or burying him? I’m so confused.

You’re not alone: given Rudy!’s legalistic gibberings, it’s kinda hard to tell…

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:10:06pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

Six hours after President Trump announced his Syria decision via Twitter, administration officials are only now having a conference call to explain — well after Capitol Hill erupted in anger at being blindsided. A stunning way to reveal a commander-in-chief’s decision.

- leadership
- skills
- effectiveness
- capabilities
- understanding of the fucking job (oh, why bother)

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:10:45pm

re: #91 KGxvi

Doesn’t Congress go into recess later this week until the new members are sworn in on the third?

What kind of high grade fuckery is Trump going to get up to with a two week Congressional recess?

And how much hell to pay will there be when they get back with a Democratic House in January?

- yes
- lots
- lots

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:11:56pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:11:56pm
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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:13:58pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

Infrastructure Week has been all full of surprises.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:14:37pm
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dangerman  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:15:35pm

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and they will accept any lame argument as “proof” that he is delivering, after all, they cannot let the liberals get a leg up on them!

‘any’. exactly so

“there’s no 2000 mile wall”
“who ever said ‘2000 miles’?”

“it’s a fence”
“no one ever used the word ‘solid’”

‘they are going over, under and cutting through it’
“trump never said it had to work, only that he was going to build it and it would be beautiful. and it is.”

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:16:11pm

Time to call it a day. Have fun, Lizards.

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:17:10pm

re: #103 Single-handed sailor

Jack Reed: “The hasty, disjointed manner in which this announcement was made demonstrates an Admin in disarray and provides further evidence of Pres. Trump’s inability to lead on the world stage. Just because Pres. Trump tweets that he has defeated ISIS doesn’t make us saferDOESN’T MAKE IT TRUE.”

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:21:17pm

Russia is licking its chops knowing that Trump is doing exactly what Russia wants Trump to do.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:21:43pm

re: #107 dangerman

‘any’. exactly so

“there’s no 2000 mile wall”
“who ever said ‘2000 miles’?”

“it’s a fence”
“no one ever used the word ‘solid’”

‘they are going over, under and cutting through it’
“trump never said it had to work, only that he was going to build it and it would be beautiful. and it is.”

The wall was never meant to be anything other than a symbol of our national resolve to keep “those” people out. It does not have to work, much less exist, it is an aspiration

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:24:25pm

re: #110 lawhawk

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TedStriker  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:24:32pm

re: #39 Dr. Matt

The Dow continues to tank: -470.64 (-1.99%) As of 3:06PM EST.

re: #44 Eclectic Cyborg

Holy shit. This month is going to set some kind of record for most 400 plus loss days, I swear.

It’s almost like Trump, in his zeal to undo or spoil everything tied to Obama, is trying to tank the stock market, too.

However, he’s not that smart, he’s just blundering into that result.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:26:21pm

re: #77 KGxvi

I’m not sure about Brown on policy - I’m not big on the whole “dignity of work” thing because that always feels like it is always spouted by people who never had to work menial jobs, and that seems to be a big thing for him.

But, and this is a totally superficial thing, I think the hardest thing he’ll have to overcome is the sound of his voice. He’s got a very gravelly voice, and I’m not sure people are going to want to hear that voice nearly everyday for four years. Like I said, totally superficial, but something that I think will mater on a subconscious level.

Have you heard Donald Trump talk?

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TedStriker  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:27:58pm

re: #61 lawhawk

Lieu’s absolutely right.

But it’s no thought experiment. Congress has express power of appropriations under the US Constitution. They determine where the money goes, not the Executive.

Trump is seeking to ignore the US Constitution, thinking that he can run government like one of his scam outfits. He thinks he can take money from HUD and deliver it to DHS and no one will mind. He thinks he can take money from HHS and use that to pay for the wall.

He cannot. That’s illegal and unconstitutional. It requires an act of Congress to reappropriate the funds. IF the GOP refuses to hold Trump accountable for this, then Democrats will make sure that there are proper checks and balances.

From an institutional standpoint, Congress should be going after Trump every time he pulls this crap, but the GOP continues to enable/condone/ignore. That ends.

Because they’re all just as compromised and complicit as Trump & Co. is.

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:28:50pm

re: #111 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The wall was never meant to be anything other than a symbol of our national resolve to keep “those” people out. It does not have to work, much less exist, it is an aspiration

even less
a campaign rallying cry used to stir up contributions & support

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:29:51pm

re: #77 KGxvi

I’m not sure about Brown on policy - I’m not big on the whole “dignity of work” thing because that always feels like it is always spouted by people who never had to work menial jobs, and that seems to be a big thing for him.

We have an innate contradiction and conflict between labor as a virtue to be promoted for its social and moral benefits and labor as a commodity and a business expense to be minimized and/or outsourced/offshored wherever possible.

We know that the GOP pays lip service to the former while actively promoting the latter.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:30:12pm

re: #106 Dr. Matt

I wonder if DJT’s awesome voter fraud commission thing took a look at this guy. /

Or maybe he was on the commission.

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:30:46pm

Heh….

Gollum as Teresa May

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:32:02pm

re: #112 Single-handed sailor

“He was TOUGH on Putin in those private, no-translator meetings. Believe me. Tough. “

/

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TedStriker  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:32:37pm

re: #119 lawhawk

Heh….

Gollum as Teresa May

Yeah, it’s been posted a couple of times over the past week.

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gocart mozart  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:33:29pm
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dangerman  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:33:39pm

why we can ignore rudy #1044585623475

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:35:55pm

re: #123 dangerman

why we can ignore rudy #1044585623475

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Old man yells at crowd.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:36:27pm

re: #123 dangerman

He really has turned into baghdad bob…

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Dr. Matt  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:38:29pm

re: #125 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

He really has turned into baghdad bob…

“America’s Mayor”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:39:15pm

re: #123 dangerman

why we can ignore rudy #1044585623475

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He’s such a pathetic clown.

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Joe Bacon ??  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:42:40pm

re: #123 dangerman

why we can ignore rudy #1044585623475

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Will someone PLEASE initiate disbarment procedures against that ass?

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MsJ  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:45:18pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m getting a headache looking at this

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Super good idea. Most roundabouts are far too small to function properly. But I like them. This is even better. There is one in MI and it’s pretty great.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:47:55pm

re: #129 MsJ

Super good idea. Most roundabouts are far too small to function properly. But I like them. This is even better. There is one in MI and it’s pretty great.

I learned to drive roundabouts in the UK, and if everyone understands the principle, they work fine: if it is a two-lane roundabout, you keep to the inside lane unless you are going to take the first exit, that keeps things free and flowing.

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KGxvi  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:48:18pm

re: #110 lawhawk

You’d think they’d be slightly less obvious.

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MsJ  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:48:31pm

re: #98 Dr. Matt

The Dow closed down yet again under Donnie’s economy: -352.46 (-1.49%) At close. The Dow returned to mid-Oct 2017 levels.

Dow closes at 23,323.66. I remember not too long ago their discussing that 24000 would be a floor and a really bad one.

What’s it going to go down to…20k? Less?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:49:18pm

re: #131 KGxvi

You’d think they’d be slightly less obvious.

No, they really want to rub it in. They have nothing to lose.

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:51:54pm

re: #126 Dr. Matt

“America’s Mayor”

Former Saint 9/11

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:51:56pm
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MsJ  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:53:38pm

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I learned to drive roundabouts in the UK, and if everyone understands the principle, they work fine: if it is a two-lane roundabout, you keep to the inside lane unless you are going to take the first exit, that keeps things free and flowing.

No one in North America knows how to use them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:55:08pm

re: #136 MsJ

No one in North America knows how to use them.

I saw a guy here in Germany miss his exit on a roundabout and (no fooling) stop and back up!

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KGxvi  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:56:34pm

re: #117 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We have an innate contradiction and conflict between labor as a virtue to be promoted for its social and moral benefits and labor as a commodity and a business expense to be minimized and/or outsourced/offshored wherever possible.

We know that the GOP pays lip service to the former while actively promoting the latter.

The thing is, I’m not so sure I believe in the “labor as a virtue” thing. And in this era, where productivity reigns supreme and a lot of the “lesser” jobs are being replaced by automation, I just don’t see how that holds on much longer. Which is one of the reasons I tend to support universal basic income (funded by a tax on stock market trades) over a jobs guarantee. To borrow a line from the late great Dusty Rhodes, it’s hard times…

Dusty Rhodes talks about “hard times”: Mid-Atlantic Wrestling, Oct. 29, 1985

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:57:10pm

Talked to the postmaster today. Contrary to the condescending bullshit a certain Lizardoid pulled out of his ass when he basically called me a liar, the Post Office does allow unattended package drops in after hours lobbies. I was just unable to use the drop chute this morning because they lock automatically when the bin behind them gets full. Beyond that, the 13 ounce limit for mail boxes (“blue boxes”) applies only to stamped, un-metered packages. Any metered package that will fit through the opening is acceptable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:57:18pm
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MsJ  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:57:21pm

re: #137 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I saw a gun here in Germany miss his exit on a roundabout and (no fooling) stop and back up!

That is really bad. LOL!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:58:57pm

re: #136 MsJ

No one in North America knows how to use them.

I learned roundabouts driving through the square in Gettysburg. The tourists often get there and freeze.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2018 • 1:59:54pm

re: #142 Blind Frog Belly White

As an aside, you can see the proper paths in the tire/oil marks on the pavement in that picture.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:01:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:04:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:05:51pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:08:57pm

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I learned to drive roundabouts in the UK, and if everyone understands the principle, they work fine: if it is a two-lane roundabout, you keep to the inside lane unless you are going to take the first exit, that keeps things free and flowing.

Lubbock had a 5 branch roundabout years ago. It was known as the Traffic Circle (formal name) and was on the way to the Strip, the tiny sub-precinct where package liquor sales were allowed. Even sober Lubbockites would have trouble with this and it was the butt of many local jokes, with the most common being that it was designed by the body shop lobby. It disappeared in the I-27 expansion and the Strip itself all but vanished after liquor sales were allowed in town in 2008.

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:09:47pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Federal Reserve raises interest rates THE FOURTH TIME since Trump was elected. It raised them zero times under Obama. The goal? Slow down Trump’s economic boom. Economic slowdown will affect the 2020 election. Another Deep State move.

trump had yellen…the interest rate dove

he axed her
because he wanted a tall man
he got what he wanted

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:11:58pm

well-oiled machine…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:15:32pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:15:52pm

re: #32 Flying Squirrel Girl

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Speaking of Sherrod Brown. I saw him on the local Columbus NBC station on Monday and he was talking about how he was looking into whether he should run or not.

I noticed his hair was cut shorter than it has been in awhile.

I think that may be a sign he is running in 2020.

But then his wife may have said he looked shabby on Meet The Chuck. Cleaning up the act!

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:16:42pm

re: #113 TedStriker

There never has been any Trump “plan”, his entire series of actions has always been whatever is good for Trump personally at any given moment his entire life. This has not changed one iota after taking the Oath of Office. There is no consideration of anything else except to further Donald Trump. Given the chance to throw his own children under the bus he would not give a second thought about it. And that time will come soon.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:16:53pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

I miss having a sane and normal President.

Imagine how awkward Trump would look doing something like this?

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nines09  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:17:57pm

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:18:02pm
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Romantic Heretic  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:19:51pm

re: #138 KGxvi

It’s going to be interesting how a society that literally worships work the way ours does react when there is little work to be done.

Knowing humans beings it’s unlikely to be with calm, rational action.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:20:00pm
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Mike Lamb  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:21:23pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It was in the Terms of Service!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:22:41pm

first F2/EF2 in Washington in more than 30 years

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:23:21pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Lubbock had a 5 branch roundabout years ago. It was known as the Traffic Circle (formal name) and was on the way to the Strip, the tiny sub-precinct where package liquor sales were allowed. Even sober Lubbockites would have trouble with this and it was the butt of many local jokes, with the most common being that it was designed by the body shop lobby. It disappeared in the I-27 expansion and the Strip itself all but vanished after liquor sales were allowed in town in 2008.

Various puritans predicted that Lubbock would be overwhelmed with drunken debauchery if liquor sales were allowed in town. They were right of course, but it was also over-run with drunken debauchery before they were allowed. The drunks just don’t drive as far for re-fills now and safety has improved to that small degree.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:23:23pm

This is a good post if you feel like getting kinda deep in the weeds.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:26:37pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:27:59pm

re: #62 dangerman

i suggest to all facebook users that your lives will go on just fine without it

i have never used facebook. no personal need or desire
- to me they are just a big company that does both stupid and dangerous stuff
- some by accident, as a result of their sheer size
- other stuff because some people are nasty and evil

I had a business account for about 8 months. The minute I could boot it because the Vice President/Business Manager that wanted me to have it left the company I did.

Never liked it. Now more reason than ever.

I figured from the get-go it was a creation of the world’s largest comprehensive human database to be used for profit and who knows what else. It actually turned out to be worse than I imagined.

I remember a time when people were worried about doing anything on the internet because it meant it would be used by unscrupulous and criminal people. Now?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:29:10pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:30:35pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:32:35pm

Speaking of at least potential drunkenness, my order for Famous Grouse arrived. I got one bottle each of the plain stuff and Smoky Black. They are everything the drunkards cognoscenti here said, very smooth and tasty. I actually prefer the plain stuff over the Smoky, though this might vary with the occasion.

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KGxvi  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:33:26pm

re: #142 Blind Frog Belly White

that looks like the traffic circle in Old Town Orange:

(only decent image I could find)

(also, that’s where they filmed part of American Wedding, the final(?) American Pie movie)

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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:34:28pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m getting a headache looking at this

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I just had to deal with a couple of those on a recent trip, and nearly had a stroke.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:35:22pm
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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:39:53pm

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:41:49pm

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:43:05pm

Good grief. The grifting has already started for 2020.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:45:49pm

re: #165 gocart mozart

Stevie is a cool guy. One of the entertainers who stood up firmly against performing in South Africa and led others to do the same. “Ain’t Gonna Play Sun City”.

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KGxvi  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:46:06pm

re: #172 Patricia Kayden

Is there a list of shit that Trump does that’s actually legal? Feels like that’d be the shorter list at this point.

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ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:49:07pm

re: #77 KGxvi

I’m not sure about Brown on policy - I’m not big on the whole “dignity of work” thing because that always feels like it is always spouted by people who never had to work menial jobs, and that seems to be a big thing for him.

But, and this is a totally superficial thing, I think the hardest thing he’ll have to overcome is the sound of his voice. He’s got a very gravelly voice, and I’m not sure people are going to want to hear that voice nearly everyday for four years. Like I said, totally superficial, but something that I think will mater on a subconscious level.

I think you are getting Brown’s “dignity of work” thing the wrong way.

I’ve followed his whole career because he is a hometown guy and a good friend of mine, now passed, knew him as a youth and even into his early career.

He is pretty down to earth and a people serving person. He can easily get wonky and he is inquisitive and studied. He can be a lot like Obama if you get him rolling.

He is for work, not just because it is something noble, but because it can be rewarding economically and then people can have the means to enjoy their lives more.

The dignity would be people getting back to partaking in the American Dream…not working for the man or even the group.

Less the “socialist/communist” idea of dignity and more the individual getting to be what they can be. Fulfillment and dreaming…we’ve lost that.

As a boomer I can remember the rush of the space race, wild advancements in technology for things like transportation, infrastructure and a can-do, let’s build it attitude.

We don’t have that much anymore. I think Brown would like to see that kind of America.

But, I don’t know if that can be sold properly at this time…so I am undecided how I feel about him running. I am fine with him as an Ohio senator.

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TedStriker  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:49:27pm

re: #139 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Talked to the postmaster today. Contrary to the condescending bullshit a certain Lizardoid pulled out of his ass when he basically called me a liar, the Post Office does allow unattended package drops in after hours lobbies. I was just unable to use the drop chute this morning because they lock automatically when the bin behind them gets full. Beyond that, the 13 ounce limit for mail boxes (“blue boxes”) applies only to stamped, un-metered packages. Any metered package that will fit through the opening is acceptable.

Whaaaaa?!?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:49:46pm

Eclectic Cyborg, come on down! You’re the latest recipient of an ad-free 1-year LGF subscription, from a secret Santa!

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KGxvi  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:50:24pm

re: #165 gocart mozart

An independent Kurdistan would likely mean a wide scale regional war. There are significant Kurdish populations/regions in Syria, Turkey, Iraq, and Iran. Recognizing a Kurdish state in one of those regions would likely see the others agitating in their current countries for independence so they could join a newly formed Kurdistan. We went through this in Iraq, the Kurdish region in the north wanted independence, and Turkey, Iran, and Syria all freaked out over it.

Also, in the 21st century, I’m not sure we should be advocating for ethno-states. But that’s another issue.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:53:59pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:55:02pm

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

I miss having a sane and normal President.

Imagine how awkward Trump would look doing something like this?

I can guarantee we’ll never see Trump doing anything like this after he is President, even if he isn’t in prison.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 2:59:34pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:01:35pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Lubbock had a 5 branch roundabout years ago. It was known as the Traffic Circle (formal name) and was on the way to the Strip, the tiny sub-precinct where package liquor sales were allowed. Even sober Lubbockites would have trouble with this and it was the butt of many local jokes, with the most common being that it was designed by the body shop lobby. It disappeared in the I-27 expansion and the Strip itself all but vanished after liquor sales were allowed in town in 2008.

Some or all multi-lane traffic circles in Italy gave right-of-way to cars entering the circle. This cannot work, but neither could the Italian economy.

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KGxvi  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:01:38pm

re: #175 ObserverArt

I think you are getting Brown’s “dignity of work” thing the wrong way.

I’ve followed his whole career because he is a hometown guy and a good friend of mine, now passed, knew him as a youth and even into his early career.

He is pretty down to earth and a people serving person. He can easily get wonky and he is inquisitive and studied. He can be a lot like Obama if you get him rolling.

He is for work, not just because it is something noble, but because it can be rewarding economically and then people can have the means to enjoy their lives more.

The dignity would be people getting back to partaking in the American Dream…not working for the man or even the group.

Less the “socialist/communist” idea of dignity and more the individual getting to be what they can be. Fulfillment and dreaming…we’ve lost that.

As a boomer I can remember the rush of the space race, wild advancements in technology for things like transportation, infrastructure and a can-do, let’s build it attitude.

We don’t have that much anymore. I think Brown would like to see that kind of America.

But, I don’t know if that can be sold properly at this time…so I am undecided how I feel about him running. I am fine with him as an Ohio senator.

I’ve only heard him a couple of times, so maybe I’m misunderstanding it and fusing some of the general “Protestant work ethic” and Catholic “dignity of work” stuff.

I’m willing to give him a chance, but I’m also a free trader and he does seem to be a bit too protectionist for my tastes.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:03:33pm

re: #106 Dr. Matt

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Yet they let him go to kill (votes) again!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:04:27pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:05:13pm
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:05:57pm

re: #112 Single-handed sailor

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tRump didn’t talk, his mouth was full.

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ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:07:54pm

re: #142 Blind Frog Belly White

I learned roundabouts driving through the square in Gettysburg. The tourists often get there and freeze.

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Several smaller towns in Ohio have that kind of main intersection in the town center. Some of them have been there forever. People still screw them up.

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:08:41pm

New Twitter account, might be worth a follow…

‘Defenser Attorney.’ LOL

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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:09:51pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Lubbock had a 5 branch roundabout years ago. It was known as the Traffic Circle (formal name) and was on the way to the Strip, the tiny sub-precinct where package liquor sales were allowed. Even sober Lubbockites would have trouble with this and it was the butt of many local jokes, with the most common being that it was designed by the body shop lobby. It disappeared in the I-27 expansion and the Strip itself all but vanished after liquor sales were allowed in town in 2008.

A number of small towns around here have standard roundabouts, often with the courthouse in the center. Those are easy!

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calochortus  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:12:16pm

re: #190 retired cynic

A number of small towns around here have standard roundabouts, often with the courthouse in the center. Those are easy!

Actually getting to the courthouse must be something of an adventure.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:13:10pm
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FormerDirtDart ????  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:13:38pm
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KGxvi  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:13:55pm

re: #185 The Vicious Babushka

If this document is legit (and I see no reason why it’s not, even Team Trump hasn’t claimed it’s not), it also suggests that Trump was willing to violate the federal law because any deal would have violated sanctions the US already had on Russia. At least that’s what I’ve gathered in the time since this has come out.

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ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:15:00pm

re: #155 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

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No matter what anyone says…Obama is a star as is his wife.

Only real stars illicit the reactions everyone gets when he, and Michelle show up anywhere.

And then they engage the people.

Trump will never get that.

He will be asked not to show up at something like a Children’s Hospital. Melania? She’ll be glad to get this all over with.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:15:47pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

Eclectic Cyborg, come on down! You’re the latest recipient of an ad-free 1-year LGF subscription, from a secret Santa!

What?!?!

Awesome!!

THANK YOU and Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays/etc. to my mystery benefactor!

??

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Jay C  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:18:06pm

re: #191 calochortus

re: #190 retired cynic

A number of small towns around here have standard roundabouts, often with the courthouse in the center. Those are easy!

Actually getting to the courthouse must be something of an adventure

Though if the town is small enough that they can put the courthouse in the middle of a roundabout, traffic may NOT be all that much of a problem…

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:18:20pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s a Trump sized mistake.

Trump left without bothering to get the feedback of the intel community, the military, or our allies.

Everyone was caught offsides. Why? Because Trump didn’t bother consulting with anyone who knows anything about what’s going on in Syria. He’s just doing it to distract.

And that’s a bigger mistake than anything.

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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:19:09pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:22:48pm

re: #193 FormerDirtDart ????

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One theory is that Guiliani’s stupid statements slightly deflates the balloon of expectations so that the next outrage becomes a “meh” to all but those who are paying really close attention.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:23:21pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:23:54pm

ARTISTICALLY DESIGNED STEEL SLATS

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ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:24:00pm

re: #183 KGxvi

I’ve only heard him a couple of times, so maybe I’m misunderstanding it and fusing some of the general “Protestant work ethic” and Catholic “dignity of work” stuff.

I’m willing to give him a chance, but I’m also a free trader and he does seem to be a bit too protectionist for my tastes.

One thing in his favor. He is very willing to work and negotiate. He likes advancement in any manner it can be done. I’ve never seen him as a my-way-only kind of guy.

And all that can and will be used against him too. He may be too damn normal, and we can’t have that!

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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:24:56pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

ARTISTICALLY DESIGNED STEEL SLATS

TREMENDOUS! YUGE! BIGLY!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:27:20pm
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Mike Lamb  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:28:00pm

re: #193 FormerDirtDart ????

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“Flips story” is an incredibly passive way of describing it.

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Jay C  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:30:32pm

re: #199 teleskiguy

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Yeah, “historic victories”, riiight……

Adam Silverman at Balloon Juice makes, as he usually does, a very cogent point re those “victories”. i.e. that while “we” (broadly defined) may have eliminated the Islamic State’s territorial authority, this doesn’t mean that they are actually “eliminated”: Adam believes that losing their “conquered” territory might actually make them more, not less dangerous, on the entirely credible grounds that not having to actually govern any are will simply “free them up” to do what they do best, i.e. terrorize, murder, commit atrocities, etc. And I can’t see where he’s likely to be wrong.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:30:49pm

re: #205 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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[GG]We must have civil dialogue, a meeting of the minds, a willingness to challenge our own strongly held views even when dealing with extremists[/GG].

Well Glenn, I really don’t think there’s much point in rationalizing with…[BLOCK]

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:31:58pm
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Joe Bacon ??  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:32:25pm

re: #189 makeitstop

New Twitter account, might be worth a follow…

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‘Defenser Attorney.’ LOL

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Decatur Deb  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:34:02pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

ARTISTICALLY DESIGNED STEEL SLATS

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แอดไลน์รับเครดิตฟรี 50gocart mozart  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:39:31pm
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KGxvi  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:40:09pm

re: #207 Jay C

Yeah, “historic victories”, riiight……

Adam Silverman at Balloon Juice makes, as he usually does, a very cogent point re those “victories”. i.e. that while “we” (broadly defined) may have eliminated the Islamic State’s territorial authority, this doesn’t mean that they are actually “eliminated”: Adam believes that losing their “conquered” territory might actually make them more, not less dangerous, on the entirely credible grounds that not having to actually govern any are will simply “free them up” to do what they do best, i.e. terrorize, murder, commit atrocities, etc. And I can’t see where he’s likely to be wrong.

I don’t know if we should have gotten tangled up in the Syrian civil war to begin with. But we are there now, and leaving without a brokered peace between the parties (and a lack of anything resembling civil society) means the war is going to get worse, not better. The bigger problem is that with Trump in charge, we can’t be viewed as an honest peace broker.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:42:19pm

re: #205 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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That is the most Glenn Greenwald response posislbe.

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BeenHereAwhile  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:42:20pm

re: #163 ObserverArt

I had a business account for about 8 months. The minute I could boot it because the Vice President/Business Manager that wanted me to have it left the company I did.

Never liked it. Now more reason than ever.

I figured from the get-go it was a creation of the world’s largest comprehensive human database to be used for profit and who knows what else. It actually turned out to be worse than I imagined.

I remember a time when people were worried about doing anything on the internet because it meant it would be used by unscrupulous and criminal people. Now?

Facebook gun owners who post their weapons on line have unknowingly compiled the most comprehensive list of gun owners in the US.

God is an iron.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:47:24pm

ISIS is just a name for the latest, most virulent outcropping of a strain of radical fundamentalist Islam. “Defeating ISIS” is actually a meaningless concept, because sure — you may drive them out of territory they’ve dominated, and kill a lot of them (killing innocent people in the process too), but that strain of religious fanaticism can’t be “defeated” in a military sense. Arguably, addressing this as a military problem ultimately helps the ideology spread.

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ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:47:53pm

Ari Melber is interviewing Ken Starr.

Yuck. Ari is holding his own and doing a good lawyer to lawyer interview, but Starr is a squirrel and he is not taking any personal responsibility about the whole take he had on Clinton and his impeachment.

Ari is trying to tie that into Trump today. Basically Starr is saying the difference is the info on Trump is when he was a citizen. Clinton’s wrongdoing was as President.

Still going on…a little heated.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:48:02pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The same people who say “The economy sucked under Obama, and now Trump saved us and it’s all great!” also say “How come the Fed never raised rates during Obama’s crappy economy but is raising them now that Trump fixed it?”

It’s almost like they’re idiots or something.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:48:38pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:50:52pm

re: #219 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“That’s Secretary Rat, to you.”

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KGxvi  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:50:54pm

re: #218 Blind Frog Belly White

The same people who say “The economy sucked under Obama, and now Trump saved us and it’s all great!” also say “How come the Fed never raised rates during Obama’s crappy economy but is raising them now that Trump fixed it?”

It’s almost like they’re idiots or something.

“almost”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:52:09pm
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FormerDirtDart ????  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:52:16pm

re: #220 Decatur Deb

“That’s Secretary Rat, to you.”

It’s there to interview for the Chief of Staff position

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:52:35pm

re: #219 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Leaving the sinking ship?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:52:57pm

Guess where we’re not getting 2000 miles of steel slats…Pittsburgh.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:53:14pm

re: #220 Decatur Deb

“That’s Secretary Rat, to you.”

“Michael Cohen? Is that you?”

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:53:41pm

re: #217 ObserverArt

Ari Melber is interviewing Ken Starr.

Yuck. Ari is holding his own and doing a good lawyer to lawyer interview, but Starr is a squirrel and he is not taking any personal responsibility about the whole take he had on Clinton and his impeachment.

Ari is trying to tie that into Trump today. Basically Starr is saying the difference is the info on Trump is when he was a citizen. Clinton’s wrongdoing was as President.

Still going on…a little heated.

Trump engaged in criminal acts to become President. He continued to break the law as president - furthering the conspiracy, obstruction, witness intimidation, etc.

So yeah, Starr can go pound sand.

Oh yeah, and Starr enabled and condoned sex abuse of women at Baylor because he gave the athletic program a wink and nod to pattern of abuse stretching for four years while Starr headed the university.

So, yeah, Starr can go back to Texas with a rusty pitchfork stuck sideways..

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:54:03pm

re: #225 Decatur Deb

Guess where we’re not getting 2000 miles of steel slats…Pittsburgh.

They’ve already given generations of lungs to America. Let someone else have a turn.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:54:45pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:54:59pm

re: #207 Jay C

Yeah, “historic victories”, riiight……

Adam Silverman at Balloon Juice makes, as he usually does, a very cogent point re those “victories”. i.e. that while “we” (broadly defined) may have eliminated the Islamic State’s territorial authority, this doesn’t mean that they are actually “eliminated”: Adam believes that losing their “conquered” territory might actually make them more, not less dangerous, on the entirely credible grounds that not having to actually govern any are will simply “free them up” to do what they do best, i.e. terrorize, murder, commit atrocities, etc. And I can’t see where he’s likely to be wrong.

Not really sure how this makes them appreciably different from Al Qaeda tho’ and “more dangerous” is a hard metric to measure. When ISIS held actual territory they had money, resources and a semblance of legitimacy on the ground that made them much more effective at terrorizing the minority groups in those communities with impunity. I’d say the loss of control over that territory makes them more desperate and likely to choose soft targets, but it’s not like they were ever constrained by ethical norms or urged restraint out of concerns over diplomacy.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:55:13pm

re: #228 Blind Frog Belly White

They’ve already given generations of lungs to America. Let someone else have a turn.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 3:58:49pm

gaaaah

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ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:03:19pm

re: #220 Decatur Deb

“That’s Secretary Rat, to you.”

Being a rat, should that be undersecretary?

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:04:47pm

re: #193 FormerDirtDart ????

Knowing his track record on paying employees, If I were one of Trump’s defense attorneys I would make damn sure I was getting paid in full at the end of every week.

No, make that every day.

In cash.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:05:07pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaah

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“Mission Accomplished”

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FormerDirtDart ????  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:06:31pm

re: #234 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Knowing his track record on paying employees, If I were one of Trump’s defense attorneys I would make damn sure I were getting paid in full at the end of every week.

No, make that every day.

In cash.

They likely have a contract with the campaign, which is more apt to pay in a timely manner

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:06:58pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:07:04pm
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piratedan  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:08:02pm

re: #230 goddamnedfrank

i think its the same old bugaboo that we’ve been having to deal with since Vietnam, we’re applying land war norms with our current military structure and when we take away “territory” it’s considered a win, whereas the nature of the enemies that we’re fighting against, don’t see territory as a necessity for them to wage their campaigns, whereas it’s nice to have as a “base”, sometimes not having a base makes you harder to find and defeat. I agree with the basic idea that we’re still watching people trying to place these newer conflicts into the old frames and sometimes not only do they not fit, sometimes it’s difficult to focus on what you’re even seeing in the frame because of the very definition of the conflict.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:12:21pm
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FormerDirtDart ????  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:16:31pm

German Shepherd Saves Pit Bull from Snowdrift

Kanawha saves Knuckles

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:19:26pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:21:56pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:21:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:23:32pm

re: #243 Blind Frog Belly White

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It definitely is possible to be both.

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KGxvi  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:24:48pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

A. that campaign has raised almost $2mover $1m, which is, insane.

B. how is something that is effectively racist allowed by gofundme?

Edited because my eyes couldn’t tell the difference between a 2 and a 7

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KGxvi  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:27:47pm

I really want to report that campaign.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:28:22pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:28:43pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

“and like a majority of Americans we elected Donald J Trump”?

A majority of Americans did not elect Trump.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:29:25pm

Image: strawn-family-2.jpg

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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:30:36pm

re: #250 FormerDirtDart ????

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:31:53pm

re: #250 FormerDirtDart ????

So… the good guy with the gun was… the same guy who murdered his family before committing suicide. How was that preventable?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:33:31pm

re: #252 lawhawk

So… the good guy with the gun was… the same guy who murdered his family before committing suicide. How was that preventable?

Wait, so if he was a good guy till he started killing his family and became a bad guy, did he become a good guy again when he shot the guy who killed his family?

Sorry - that was a bit dark.

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Skip Intro  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:35:33pm

re: #247 KGxvi

I really want to report that campaign.

Looks like the Aryan dream family.

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:36:39pm

Unfu….

Nope. Totally fucking believable.

Trump using shell companies and dark money as part of coordinated campaign activities going to the 2020 election? Shocking, I know.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:38:13pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:38:47pm

Am I the only one who finds those Chantix commercials with Ray Liotta weirdly unnerving?

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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:38:59pm

re: #191 calochortus

Actually getting to the courthouse must be something of an adventure.

Nope. Just park on the inside of the roundabout. If there is a lot of traffic, backing out is a bit more interesting!

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Skip Intro  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:39:04pm

I like this account.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:40:39pm

re: #220 Decatur Deb

“That’s Secretary Rat, to you.”

Our new Secretary of Edible Refuse and Political Intrigue, Templeton. ///

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:41:06pm

re: #257 Charles Johnson

Am I the only one who finds those Chantix commercials with Ray Liotta weirdly unnerving?

Yeah, but mostly because I find Ray Liotta weirdly unnerving.

No, seriously.

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lawhawk  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:41:22pm

re: #257 Charles Johnson

Am I the only one who finds those Chantix commercials with Ray Liotta weirdly unnerving?

He sounds like a schnook who gets egg noodles and ketchup and calls it pasta w/marinara.

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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:42:54pm

re: #262 lawhawk

He sounds like a schnook who gets egg noodles and ketchup and calls it pasta w/marinara.

An average nobody.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:43:35pm

re: #260 Barefoot Grin

Our new Secretary of Edible Refuse and Political Intrigue, Templeton. ///

needs a slice of pizza

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:44:21pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had always thought that our first fascist dictator would an evil genius or at least someone with cunning and charisma. Instead we have this caricature of an over-aged gangster. It is humiliating to be subjugated by a complete oaf. To make it worse, his now ascendant supporters are also complete oafs, from Hannity and Limbaugh down to the most gullible Alex Joneser.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:45:49pm
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bd(Redacted)  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:46:11pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

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I am so reassured:

? How will we get the funds to the right place? We have contacted the Trump Administration to secure a point of contact where all funds will go upon completion. When get this information secured we will update. We have many very high level contacts already helping.

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Skip Intro  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:47:32pm

re: #267 bd(Redacted)

Yeah, he’s connected to Fox “News”.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:48:57pm

It was a match made in hell to begin with.

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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:50:44pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:50:45pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Oh, Japan. You never disappoint me.

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Anymouse ??  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:51:20pm

re: #139 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Talked to the postmaster today. Contrary to the condescending bullshit a certain Lizardoid pulled out of his ass when he basically called me a liar, the Post Office does allow unattended package drops in after hours lobbies. I was just unable to use the drop chute this morning because they lock automatically when the bin behind them gets full. Beyond that, the 13 ounce limit for mail boxes (“blue boxes”) applies only to stamped, un-metered packages. Any metered package that will fit through the opening is acceptable.

Wow. I didn’t call you a liar nor did I imply it. You asked a question about why the drop box was locked, and I gave an answer based on what’s on the Post Office Website.

I was wrong apparently, but didn’t call you a liar.

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Jay C  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:52:11pm

re: #266 Single-handed sailor

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What are they complaining about? After all, Treasury’s plan gives old Oleg 30 days to set up fronts and shell companies to hide his participation in the (non-)sanctioned enterprises! After all, if a shady Russian oligarch can’t shroud his businesses properly with a month’s notice, he deserves to get busted….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:52:58pm

re: #269 DodgerFan1988

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It was a match made in hell to begin with.

“Maybe in the end the REAL Wall was the friends we lost along the way…”

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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:53:28pm

Oh Noes!

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:54:05pm

re: #269 DodgerFan1988

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It was a match made in hell to begin with.

For when people say that I never said a that Donald Trump did a good thing….

Good move Donald, that will help your infested brain a bit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:54:09pm

re: #257 Charles Johnson

Am I the only one who finds those Chantix commercials with Ray Liotta weirdly unnerving?

Hell no. First time I saw one I was like: “What the fuck did I just watch?”

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FormerDirtDart ????  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:55:36pm
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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:55:51pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

ISIS is just a name for the latest, most virulent outcropping of a strain of radical fundamentalist Islam. “Defeating ISIS” is actually a meaningless concept, because sure — you may drive them out of territory they’ve dominated, and kill a lot of them (killing innocent people in the process too), but that strain of religious fanaticism can’t be “defeated” in a military sense. Arguably, addressing this as a military problem ultimately helps the ideology spread.

There was an excellent show on Fresh Air today, an interview with Ben Taub about his latest article (Shallow Graves) in The New Yorker. He says that Iraq forces are following the same pattern of revenge war following revenge war that brought about IS in the first place. We go in and create chaos and a new Iraqi government and it is followed by al-Qaida, then by the US coming back in The Surge and then IS springing up, and now this. Each wave is violent and kills people indiscriminately, and sets up the next wave of revenge. He said everyone over there expects IS to come back, because the Iraqi government is setting up the next generation of fighters. Horrible. And it is all on W and Cheney, in my humble opinion!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:58:39pm

re: #267 bd(Redacted)

I am so reassured:

Good God that almost reads like it was written by Trump himself.

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ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2018 • 4:58:44pm

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but mostly because I find Ray Liotta weirdly unnerving.

No, seriously.

I remember watching this movie, I think his first movie. He was crazy in it, and he made a good career being right on the edge of sanity.

He may not be acting. But it kept him off the streets. /

Something Wild (1986) - Theatrical Trailer

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:00:33pm

re: #281 ObserverArt

I remember watching this movie, I think his first movie. He was crazy in it, and he made a good career being right on the edge of sanity.

He may not be acting. But it kept him off the streets. /

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I listened to a good interview with him on the WTF podcast. He is kind of that guy in the commercials, but he’s a good guy and funny.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:02:14pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:05:16pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:07:29pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:12:39pm

re: #158 Mike Lamb

It was in the Terms of Service!!

Sigh. And no more than 1 person out of a 100,000 actually reads the Terms of Service.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:19:02pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:20:00pm

This reboot of “Home Alone” is so lame. It’s a fucking commercial.

Home Alone Again with the Google Assistant

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:20:02pm
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:20:24pm

re: #217 ObserverArt

Ari Melber is interviewing Ken Starr.

Yuck. Ari is holding his own and doing a good lawyer to lawyer interview, but Starr is a squirrel and he is not taking any personal responsibility about the whole take he had on Clinton and his impeachment.

Ari is trying to tie that into Trump today. Basically Starr is saying the difference is the info on Trump is when he was a citizen. Clinton’s wrongdoing was as President.

Still going on…a little heated.

Whitewater investigation? Whitewater, that happened in 1979? When Bill was pres? Where was Jimmy at that time, sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom? Oh, the BJ was while he was in office? Ok, we will just keep looking at stuff that happened 15 - 20 years ago with tRump until it leads us to things he did as pres, pres elect, running for pres? Just like you did Ken. Will that work Kenny boy?

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:21:03pm
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:21:43pm

re: #219 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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There to interview for the permanent Chief of Staff position?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:25:44pm

re: #290 Eventual Carrion

Whitewater investigation? Whitewater, that happened in 1979? When Bill was pres? Where was Jimmy at that time, sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom? Oh, the BJ was while he was in office? Ok, we will just keep looking at stuff that happened 15 - 20 years ago with tRump until it leads us to things he did as pres, pres elect, running for pres? Just like you did Ken. Will that work Kenny boy?

The wrongdoing Trump did got him elected President. Starr has his own problems with Baylor.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:26:36pm

Looks like a rogue researcher was studying the usefulness of FaceBook during the Roy Moore/Doug Jones campaign. He set up a bogus page and bought karma to see how easy it would be to bend conservatives.

Social media researcher admits to questionable tactics in 2017 Alabama Senate race

al.com

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:27:08pm

re: #272 Anymouse ??

Wow. I didn’t call you a liar nor did I imply it. You asked a question about why the drop box was locked, and I gave an answer based on what’s on the Post Office Website.

I was wrong apparently, but didn’t call you a liar.

Sorry about that, Any. I think I’ve let holiday stress, mostly second hand, get to me. It’s not much of an excuse but it’s true. I shouldn’t let that happen but I did.
I am much better now.

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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:31:09pm

Good chance this is my last day off from the ski area for the next 19 days. Ugh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:39:05pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:39:07pm

re: #296 teleskiguy

Good chance this is my last day off from the ski area for the next 19 days. Ugh.

Quite the contrast from last winter from what I remember.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:39:17pm

Speaking of holiday stress, I am about fed up with all the “true meaning of Christmas” propaganda, usually accompanied by pious manger scenes. The true meaning of Christmas is the winter solstice, the beginning of the return of light and all that entails in terms of our physical survival. It probably Should be observed with feasting, lights, and general revelry, though not to the extent seen in modern commerce. It is an uncomfortable fit with the story of Christ’s birth and that may be the deep source of a lot of holiday stress. Maybe we should keep the material celebration and junk the religion angle. It is appropriate for Christians to observe Christ’s birth but maybe they should move it to a day that was not already taken.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:39:32pm

SCRUB

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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:40:20pm

re: #298 ObserverArt

Quite the contrast from last winter from what I remember.

In terms of snowfall, night and day. Night and fucking day.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:41:45pm

re: #300 FormerDirtDart ????

SCRUB

24 hr recycle
8:31pm EST/5:31pm PST

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:43:01pm

A missile has been launched off the San Francisco coast.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:44:53pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaah

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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:45:35pm

re: #235 FormerDirtDart ????

“Mission Accomplished”

Damn I need to read ahead more :-)

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gocart mozart  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:46:26pm
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FormerDirtDart ????  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:47:12pm

Soyuz command module departing ISS. Hole was discovered in the capsule. Chunk has been cut out for testing. Systems essentially being thrown overboard for controlled reentry

NASA TV Public-Education

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FormerDirtDart ????  Dec 19, 2018 • 5:55:27pm

Proton rocket launching from Baikonur Cosmodrome, Kazakhstan tomorrow, Dec. 20th, 7:15 PM EST/4:15 PM PST

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 19, 2018 • 6:01:14pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Its a pleasant surprise when a Republican does the right thing. It looks positively heroic compared to the villainy most Republicans engage in.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 19, 2018 • 6:04:25pm

re: #257 Charles Johnson

Am I the only one who finds those Chantix commercials with Ray Liotta weirdly unnerving?

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 19, 2018 • 6:18:06pm

re: #269 DodgerFan1988

Let us remember that this soap opera is because either Trump is unwilling or unable to act Nazi enough.

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CleverToad  Dec 19, 2018 • 10:41:26pm

re: #195 ObserverArt

No matter what anyone says…Obama is a star as is his wife.

Only real stars illicit the reactions everyone gets when he, and Michelle show up anywhere.

And then they engage the people.

Trump will never get that.

He will be asked not to show up at something like a Children’s Hospital. Melania? She’ll be glad to get this all over with.

One of my early impressions of the Obamas was post-debate. The McCains left immediately. The cameras stayed on (C-SPAN?). We watched Barack & Michelle walking around the room, talking to people in the audience who supported them — and who probably hadn’t! — answering questions, shaking hands, smiling. You could see the room temperature rise, as the audience members responded to their warmth — laughing, talking to the Obamas, starting to talk to other folks around them, asking strangers to take pictures. My husband said that’s when he was sure Obama was going to win.

Gifted people, both of them, genuinely generous. They will keep doing good in the world.


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