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freetoken  Jan 8, 2019 • 8:53:16pm

Tonight aired the first episode of the current season of Finding Your Roots. Interesting and enlightening examples of how using DNA tests to uncover long hidden secrets:

pbs.org

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 8, 2019 • 8:57:18pm

re: #2 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Great way to understand the WH staff turnover.

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NoSoapForYou  Jan 8, 2019 • 8:59:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:01:39pm
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Anymouse ??  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:03:02pm

From the previous thread:

re: #467 BlueGrl21

There are LGBT Christians. It’s a paradox!

There sure are.

I’ve asked my sister why she clings to an ideology in which the holy book calls for the death of LGBT people.

It is the usual cherry-picking and such.

When your personality is wrapped up in your beliefs, when those beliefs are challenged it feels like a personal attack. If you are unwilling to accept new information, you will do anything to defend that belief. Each sort of Christian calls the other “not a true Christian.” She does it too.

She cannot be reasoned out of an ideology she reasoned herself into.

That is also why you have Log Cabin Republicans.

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calochortus  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:04:53pm

re: #1 freetoken

Tonight aired the first episode of the current season of Finding Your Roots. Interesting and enlightening examples of how using DNA tests to uncover long hidden secrets:

pbs.org

I was blown away at how they were able to find one of the ancestors (so as not to spoil it for those who haven’t seen it yet.)

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:05:11pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:07:32pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse ??  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:07:32pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

At this point they are simply Gaslighting for Dollars.

Unfortunately, all sorts of conservative outlets (like my regional newspaper) will pick that right up.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:08:33pm

re: #4 NoSoapForYou

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Ann Coulter with a usual stupid take.

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Jay C  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:10:20pm

re: #3 Unshaken Defiance

Great way to understand the WH staff turnover.

But you’d have to replace the young raccoons with something more appropriate to this Administration- like rats…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:11:19pm

re: #1 freetoken

Tonight aired the first episode of the current season of Finding Your Roots. Interesting and enlightening examples of how using DNA tests to uncover long hidden secrets:

pbs.org

I’m trying to find out how one of my matches and I are related. Unfortunately we think the connection is with my grandmother’s maternal grandfather, a man whose name we don’t know and her paternal grandmother who we can’t find much about. Really nice lady. I like talking with her since she doesn’t care about the ethnicity stuff. Just the story aspect of it all.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:12:00pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart ????

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Poland shouldn’t have had fertile land.:/

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:23:41pm

I think the reason why the science of dna ethnicity is complicated is because we don’t know exactly how long every group has been in their area. I have a lot of Eastern European but I can see and know there is Germanic influences in surnames in my family. Now is that because the original people with that surname were Germanic or were they Slavs who had their surnames Germanized in the Austrian Hungarian empire days? Hard to know for sure. My results, experienced, & personal beliefs tho have been reenforcing. I’m certainly proud of the cultures I descend from but I’m happy to share it and feel inclusion is the way. To my relief quite a few of my extended family I’ve met share that sentiment.

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Mattand  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:38:28pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

So AP is blaming Democrats for the shutdown by not giving into Trump’s hostage taking over a wall the majority of the US doesn’t want?

Am I fucking reading this bullshit right?

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Anymouse ??  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:38:41pm

I’m going to sign out for the night. Catch y’all later.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:39:19pm

re: #18 Mattand

So AP is blaming Democrats for the shutdown by not giving into Trump’s hostage taking over a wall the majority of the US doesn’t want?

Am I fucking reading this bullshit right?

Yes, they are both siderising so hard they are going to break their backs.

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whitebeach  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:43:20pm

re: #18 Mattand

So AP is blaming Democrats for the shutdown by not giving into Trump’s hostage taking over a wall the majority of the US doesn’t want?

Am I fucking reading this bullshit right?

Well, they’re not completely wrong. It does take two to tango, just like it takes two to have a mugging, a rape, or a murder.

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Mattand  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:48:24pm

re: #21 whitebeach

Well, they’re not completely wrong. It does take two to tango, just like it takes two to have a mugging, a rape, or a murder.

Heh, those are some the responses people are blasting AP Politics with. They’re getting massively dragged in the replies.

But, goddamn, like Charles said, this is how fucked up our media is.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:50:17pm

Crank caller

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:51:01pm

Be grateful that Trump didn’t tell the white kids to go into Mommy’s purse and Daddy’s wallet, take out the green pictures and mail them to him…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:52:54pm

Trump Tries Out New “Formless Mush” Strategy In Border Wall Fight

hopes to surprise opponents by boring them to death

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 8, 2019 • 9:53:46pm

re: #24 Joe Bacon ??

Be grateful that Trump didn’t tell the white kids to go into Mommy’s purse and Daddy’s wallet, take out the green pictures and mail them to him…

He’s not as smart as Soupy Sales.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 8, 2019 • 10:03:37pm

One more: Utah Outcasts notes that Alex Jones seemed to be both drunk and had an (apparently) paid caller on Infowars claiming Trump would smash “all the paedophile rings” this year. (Caution for coarse language, 14:20)

Alex Jones seems to be falling apart; perhaps it’s the lead in BrainForce.

Youtube Video

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Anymouse ??  Jan 8, 2019 • 10:04:23pm

re: #27 Anymouse ??

Whoops, that was Stormy Daniels folding laundry. Fixed now.

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ckkatz  Jan 8, 2019 • 10:06:58pm

I bring you the sport of cheese rolling. MeThinks I’ll stick with partner dancing thankyou.

“Dramatic footage of people throwing themselves down Cooper’s Hill at the annual cheese rolling contest in the UK. Injuries included a dislocated shoulder as well as numerous grazes and bruises. “

Injuries at annual cheese rolling contest 2018 in UK

From the wiki page:

The Cooper’s Hill Cheese-Rolling and Wake is an annual event held on the Spring Bank Holiday at Cooper’s Hill, near Gloucester in England.[1] It was traditionally held by and for the people who live in the local village of Brockworth, Gloucestershire, but now people from all over the world take part. The Guardian newspaper called it a “world-famous event”, with winners from the United States, Australia, New Zealand and Nepal.

From the top of the hill, a 7-9 pounds (3.2-4.1 kilograms) round of Double Gloucester cheese is sent rolling down the hill, and competitors then start racing down the hill after it. The first person over the finish line at the bottom of the hill wins the cheese. The competitors are aiming to catch the cheese; however, it has around a one-second head start and can reach speeds up to 70 miles per hour (110 kilometres per hour), enough to knock over and injure a spectator. In the 2013 competition, a foam replica replaced the cheese for reasons of safety. The winner was given the prize of an actual cheese after the competition.

en.wikipedia.org

Have a great evening, and mind the cheese rolling.

(edit - added double quotes on video description.)

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 8, 2019 • 10:08:21pm

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2019 • 10:11:41pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 8, 2019 • 10:12:07pm

Rahaf Mohammed Al-Qunun has been granted refugee status, and will probably find asylum in Australia. Developing story.

bbc.com

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 8, 2019 • 10:20:00pm

re: #32 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Related. Rahaf was saved by social media, specifically Twitter. She created an account while holed up in the airport hotel in Bangkok, and within hours was tweeting directly with journalists and human rights activists. Saudi officials refused to comment to Reuters for their story, but the kicker is this bit.

“When she first arrived in Thailand, she opened a new site (account) and the followers reached about 45,000 within one day,” a Saudi official speaking in Arabic through a translator tells Thai officials in the video.

“I wish you had taken her phone, it would have been better than (taking) her passport,” the official said [to Thai immigration officers].

reuters.com

Twitter may sometimes harbor the scum of the Earth, but it can also be a powerful tool for good.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 8, 2019 • 10:21:31pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

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Anymouse ??  Jan 8, 2019 • 10:35:00pm

NBC laying the blame where it belongs: On Democrats.

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unproven innocence  Jan 8, 2019 • 10:42:27pm

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez talks with Rachel Maddow about Donald Trump record of hostility toward immigrants …

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Rips Trump For Systematic Attack On Immigrants | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

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austin_blue  Jan 8, 2019 • 11:09:48pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Ann Coulter with a usual stupid take.

She’s not aging well, is she? All that hate seems to make her shrivel up into an old apple.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 8, 2019 • 11:38:54pm

re: #37 austin_blue

She’s not aging well, is she? All that hate seems to make her shrivel up into an old apple.

I dunno, she’s pretty good lookin’ for almost 60. Horrible person, but good looking.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2019 • 11:50:50pm

re: #35 Anymouse ??

Trump DECLARES
Pelosi, Schumer ACCUSE

Most people only read headlines. If you were one of those most people, which “side” would you infer was backed up by facts and reason tonight?

There are people in networks whose whole job is to control the meta-message

This is a fine example of how that works

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2019 • 11:56:03pm

re: #37 austin_blue

She’s not aging well, is she? All that hate seems to make her shrivel up into an old apple.

She had her heyday and knows that she is declining, that makes her bitter.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 9, 2019 • 12:18:51am

re: #33 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

More details about Rahaf’s case, from the Thai media this time. The Thai immigration chief said his officers could not have taken Rahaf’s mobile phone, as the Saudis had suggested, because it would have violated her rights. Also, it seems that Thailand is politely telling the Saudis to F off by cooperating with the UN refugee agency despite Thailand not being a party to international refugee accords.

khaosodenglish.com

The Guardian has details about Australia’s response.
theguardian.com

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 9, 2019 • 12:23:30am

Does anybody else use the Task View in Windows to run multiple desktops? I’m trying to use it more often, separating programs or groups of programs by task or purpose. I ran out of rum so I’m drinking a White Russian in honor of The Dude. I’ma gonna be wrecked soon.

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freetoken  Jan 9, 2019 • 1:19:13am
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freetoken  Jan 9, 2019 • 1:24:16am

re: #43 freetoken

That’s Liberace at his more serious… the cellist Ennio Bolognini was a big deal during his time.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 9, 2019 • 1:55:04am

Success! Australia will accept Rahaf’s asylum request.

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 2:45:07am

So the big networks made time last night for a speech that was at best lackluster. If their hope was he was going to make some big announcement or he was going to lose his shit on live TV, they then fell flat on their faces in a truly spectacular way.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 9, 2019 • 2:58:37am

We re: #46 Targetpractice

So the big networks made time last night for a speech that was at best lackluster. If their hope was he was going to make some big announcement or he was going to lose his shit on live TV, they then fell flat on their faces in a truly spectacular way.

They were willing to take the risk because they know that DT is also a media star and a big draw.

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 3:09:06am

Gotta love how the spin on the Politico poll is going, saying “MAJORITY OF AMERICANS SAY THERE’S A BORDER CRISIS!!!”, rather than the reality a majority either view it as a problem not necessitating a major response or don’t believe there’s a problem at all.

Reminds me of all the “Majority oppose the ACA!” poll readings.

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Chrysicat  Jan 9, 2019 • 3:10:42am

Rosenstein-resignation rumours are being floated again as of an hour ago. I think we have to pray they’re as false now as in October, though at least the House can try to pass an independent-counsel statute now, once Mueller’s officially fired.

But wouldn’t any investigation, even if the Rs in the Senate didn’t block it, have to start from scratch?

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Ming5000  Jan 9, 2019 • 3:13:57am

If Rod Rosenstein resigns before the work is completed he will be a small footnote in history. I don’t see him walking away willingly before the work is done.

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 3:14:40am

Trump raises his demands, yet “allows” $800M in foreign aid.

Faux? “The President has compromised!”

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 3:23:40am

I rather think the reason Donny hasn’t brought the whole thing to a close is because the wingnut media have him convinced that if he just holds out a bit longer, the Dems or public opinion will crack and he’ll be able to get his wall without giving up anything in return.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 9, 2019 • 3:29:53am

re: #52 Targetpractice

I rather think the reason Donny hasn’t brought the whole thing to a close is because the wingnut media have him convinced that if he just holds out a bit longer, the Dems or public opinion will crack and he’ll be able to get his wall without giving up anything in return.

They need a major news item, some drug or terrorist-related horror story that can be framed as a consequence of an unsecured border

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 3:31:56am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They need a major news item, some drug or terrorist-related horror story that can be framed as a consequence of an unsecured border

That much is obvious in how hard they’re trying to flog “Cop killed by illegal!” stories or half-assed statistics about rapes and murders by “illegals.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 9, 2019 • 3:48:47am

re: #54 Targetpractice

That much is obvious in how hard they’re trying to flog “Cop killed by illegal!” stories or half-assed statistics about rapes and murders by “illegals.”

and some way to make the Democrats complicit, a Guilermo Hortez, so to speak

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 3:49:40am

re: #55 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and some way to make the Democrats complicit, a Guilermo Hortez, so to speak

Not like a lack of facts will ever stop them.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 9, 2019 • 3:50:13am

I can say I am glad I skipped last night’s fiesta of fucktitude. The whole damned world is falling apart. I am so sad and scared, and I have pretty much lost my faith in humanity entirely. It’s like all the portals to hell have opened up and everyone is fighting over a cookie.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:00:03am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:01:32am

re: #57 A Mom Anon

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:04:57am

It’s become obvious that the wingnuts are desperately hoping for their Horst Wessel, their victim of an “illegal” so sympathetic that their death can become a license to print political capital.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:06:03am

re: #37 austin_blue

She’s not aging well, is she? All that hate seems to make her shrivel up into an old apple.

Nothing like Kellyanne Conway. The lies are eating her up. She’s younger than me but looks closer to 70.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:06:33am

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She had her heyday and knows that she is declining, that makes her bitter.

She’s always been bitter.

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nowherenorth2  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:23:02am

So. Love the responses to the AP it takes two bullshit. They really stepped in it with that tweet as everyone is showing.

I had a training in Delaware. I stayed in north dover and the training was in southern Smyrna. It is a standard recertification training for a crisis intervention system. Loved it.

Many people were there that I knew already. Some new faces as well. One lady and I got on the subject of bread, which I have been making enough masse since the first stroke in 2017. The lady makes challah bread and pointed me to some books and also got into a discussion with lady #2 about proofing and rising of bread. All in all excellent. Vicious babushka was be a great addition to this convo.

Then….it took the turn.
Lady ” I don’t know what is wrong with your state. Did you know that Hillary and Cuomo were going to pass a law stating that abortions could be given up until the day before birth”
Me; “why no. I didn’t but I don’t think you are right because Hillary was a senator for the state in federal government and Cuomo is the governor of the state”
Lady ” I pray for your state and for Cuomo to get rid of abortion”
Random dude ” we hate Cuomo for the gun control laws”
Me ” I am for gun control and am pro choice. “
Lady ” well good people with guns have stopped bsd people”
Me”statistically no. Sorry. In a fight with the school in my area about this. And…” Cite facts
Lady. ” Well I don’t know the statistics. I’ll pray for you and your state.”
Me ” ok”

She was my teaching partner where we had to teach to the rest of the trainees.

Awesome.
Back to the grind.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:24:52am

If you read that AP piece it isn’t horrible. The headline is what kills them.

Get the clicks. Nothing else matters. And they all know people don’t read anything…or they might read something until their view is opposed (which would be a few words into that AP piece).

Pointless, destructive headlines.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:25:28am
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A Mom Anon  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:26:22am

re: #59 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:28:07am

re: #65 MsJ

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Apparently the word is he won’t quit until the AG post is filled. Which should be a few months, considering the shit we’ve learned about Barr and likely are going to find out before the final vote happens.

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darthstar  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:28:08am

Lizard? I’m taking this story a little personally.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:31:41am

re: #60 Targetpractice

It’s become obvious that the wingnuts are desperately hoping for their Horst Wessel, their victim of an “illegal” so sympathetic that their death can become a license to print political capital.

some sort of crime, drug or terror-related incident that can be framed to make the Democrats look weak on security and law and order so they will have to back down, yes

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:32:13am

re: #62 MsJ

She’s always been bitter.

She insisted it was just her acerbic wit, but now it is just bile and venom…

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darthstar  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:33:59am

Murkowski’s back to having a conscience.

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darthstar  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:36:17am

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She insisted it was just her acerbic wit, but now it is just bile and venom…

Speaking of dried up snakes…let’s not forget Laura…

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:36:32am

re: #67 Targetpractice

Apparently the word is he won’t quit until the AG post is filled. Which should be a few months, considering the shit we’ve learned about Barr and likely are going to find out before the final vote happens.

Does it matter? The senate would confirm a kumquat if trump nominated it.

I am sincerely hoping that this is happening because Mueller is wrapping up. A couple of days ago, he asked for an extension of the Grand Jury, six months, which is apparently a one time thing. He would have to impanel a new GJ if it goes beyond that. I am hoping and praying he is in his end game now.

Yesterday’s redaction disaster for Manafort clearly shows that this is a big deal, likely the biggest nugget we have gotten thus far. I am pretty surprised it’s not a bigger deal. We’ll have to see how today’s news cycle plays out but that really was just shy of the MOAB’s (with the final mother being donny and junior).

Also, it was noted on twitter (which is famous for accuracy, I know) that Jr was saying he was getting indicted (again).

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Amory Blaine  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:36:38am

Rosenstein is out.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:37:00am

re: #68 darthstar

This is what we end up with in a county where pretty much any mental health care is financially out of reach for most people. We’re not built to handle everything alone, but we’re taught this self-made myth that no one has any help being successful or if you’re sick or hurt it’s your fault. The rich are blessed and the poor are damned. So, humans being humans, they seek out something or somewhere they fit whether it’s healthy or not. The internet has made it far too easy to swim in toxic shit all day and the most broken people are only gonna break more. Sorry, I’m in a mood.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:38:18am

re: #71 darthstar

Murkowski’s back to having a conscience.

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They are all posturing. They know McConnell won’t bring it up.

Lindsay Graham said the same thing. Does anyone expect him to do this? I sure don’t.

Pure posture.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:38:57am

re: #74 Amory Blaine

Rosenstein is out.

Not quite yet.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:40:27am

RE: Junior (as noted above).

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darthstar  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:41:48am

Now Jr’s just bragging.

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:41:58am

re: #76 MsJ

They are all posturing. They know McConnell won’t bring it up.

Lindsay Graham said the same thing. Does anyone expect him to do this? I sure don’t.

Pure posture.

Ayep. This is shit they’ve probably already cleared with Yertle, as Garner and Collins are both facing reelection in 2020.

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darthstar  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:43:00am

Probably the most annoying fad on Twitter right now…

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:43:11am

re: #78 MsJ

RE: Junior (as noted above).

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Twenty, twenty, twenty-four hours to go
I’m gonna be indicted
Nothing to do, no quid to pro quo
I’m gonna be indicted

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:43:23am
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:45:34am
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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:47:55am

For the folks asking about Shep Smith’s fact check (from last night), here it is.

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:48:40am

re: #84 Patricia Kayden

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And it still won’t matter because Yertle is not prepared to put Donny on the spot by forcing him to sign a bill he doesn’t want or humiliate him by having the veto overriden.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:49:02am
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darthstar  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:52:30am

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:54:29am

The article. HAHAHAHA!

Kevin Martin, the young conservative activist who started the competing group, said he and other students created the organization as a place to talk about “where we can talk about the way we’re getting treated.”

Heal Our Voice’s website is filled with a number of anonymous gripes, ranging from Kirk’s celebrity status on the right to an alleged hard-partying atmosphere at Turning Point conferences. In a statement, Turning Point says underage drinking is grounds for attendees to be expelled from conferences.

Johnson told The Daily Beast that she joined Heal Our Voice in part because of a feeling that some political views are off-limits at Turning Point events.

“Charlie Kirk can be a little bit of a snowflake — or a lot a bit of a snowflake,” she said.

This isn’t Turning Point’s first brush with controversy on the right. Attendees at previous conferences have also spoken out about sexual harassment and assault at the events. The group has also clashed with other college conservative groups, and is still dogged by a disastrous diaper protest organized by some of its members.

Meanwhile, pro-Trump activists blamed Kirk in part after rapper Kanye West distanced himself from the group amid a merchandise spat with a related group, “Blexit.”

Both “Heal Our Voice” and the Kirk memes suggest cracks in Turning Point’s main appeal to older donors: that Kirk and his group can fire up young Republicans and up the GOP’s gap in the youth vote. Instead, they’re left trying to stomp out fires created by attendees at the group’s own conferences.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 4:56:08am

re: #88 darthstar

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:05:09am

OMG OMG OMG! This hurt to watch.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:07:13am
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:16:09am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:20:28am

re: #78 MsJ

The most unbelievable part of this tweet is that Don Jr has friends.

only of the fair-weather variety

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:24:17am

re: #28 Anymouse ??

Whoops, that was Stormy Daniels folding laundry. Fixed now.

A sentence I never thought I’d see

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:26:30am

re: #33 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Related. Rahaf was saved by social media, specifically Twitter. She created an account while holed up in the airport hotel in Bangkok, and within hours was tweeting directly with journalists and human rights activists. Saudi officials refused to comment to Reuters for their story, but the kicker is this bit.

reuters.com

Twitter may sometimes harbor the scum of the Earth, but it can also be a powerful tool for good.

The difference between the people who own and run it vs the people who use it

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:28:21am

re: #88 darthstar

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Dave In Austin  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:32:24am

When Shep Smith on Fox does is better…
Let’s face it folk. The message and the messengers have to change.

Message from the DNC - SNL

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:34:40am
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garzooma  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:35:09am

re: #73 MsJ

Yesterday’s redaction disaster for Manafort clearly shows that this is a big deal, likely the biggest nugget we have gotten thus far. I am pretty surprised it’s not a bigger deal.

Josh Marshall is also surprised:

I think the hoopla over President Trump’s Oval Office address tonight has temporarily blunted or distracted people from the full import of what the Times just reported about the Trump campaign polling data. They may even have missed some of it themselves since they buried that nugget well down into the piece.[emphasis added] Paul Manafort was secretly sharing confidential campaign polling data with a top Russian oligarch who is closely tied to Vladimir Putin. To me this really ends the debate about ‘collusion’, to the extent there still was one. It seems bigger than the Trump Tower meeting.

To my mind, it almost makes moot whether or not Cohen was in Prague.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:35:45am

re: #98 Dave In Austin

When Shep Smith on Fox does is better…
Let’s face it folk. The message and the messengers have to change.

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It saddens me that we are at the personality vs capability phase of the union.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:36:55am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

some sort of crime, drug or terror-related incident that can be framed to make the Democrats look weak on security and law and order so they will have to back down, yes

Being ghoulish it still would just be one
They’re not gonna get a wall for one
And while yes the 2a is enshrined in the Constitution, 40000 is quite a number to have to explain why nothing gets done about it

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:40:29am

re: #100 garzooma

Josh Marshall is also surprised:

To my mind, it almost makes moot whether or not Cohen was in Prague.

There are two really good threads to read. I posted them last night. The second one is starting mid thread but read it from the top. Put them together and…wow. Both have receipts.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:41:02am

re: #84 Patricia Kayden

So, His Speech is really paying dividends.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:41:38am

re: #104 Sir John Barron

So, His Speech is really paying dividends.

it got everyone talking about his vanity project instead of the witch hunt.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:41:41am
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Dave In Austin  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:42:37am

re: #88 darthstar

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:49:12am

I need some feel good.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 5:57:34am

re: #106 Patricia Kayden

“Thank you for soooooo many nice updings on my recent post. A very interesting experience indeed. Believe me.”

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Dave In Austin  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:00:10am
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bd(it's all true)  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:02:07am

re: #89 MsJ

The article. HAHAHAHA!

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What a joyful read.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:03:06am

re: #110 Dave In Austin

What a wild looking cat. And those ears (and eyes)!! SWOOOOOON.

He looks like Dobby.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:07:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:07:40am

moron

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:08:56am

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

“Everything going Great because of Me but NATIONAL SECURITY CRISIS AT BORDER MUST FIX WITH WALL NOW.”

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:09:51am

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:10:17am

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

But we MUST fix our Southern Border!

I can even agree with him on that point, just not on how we should go about fixing it.

Not just by building a wall but with comprehensive immigration and economic reforms.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:10:32am

re: #106 Patricia Kayden

Even after two years the moran is still highly susceptible to and dependent on flattery from social media.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:11:57am

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

800,000 people furloughed as they and the businesses they support go without, but yeah sure everything is Just Great.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:12:39am

re: #118 Sir John Barron

Even after two years the moran is still highly susceptible to and dependent on flattery from social media.

He lives to have his fat Super Sized ass kissed 24/7.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:13:30am

re: #118 Sir John Barron

Even after two years the moran is still highly susceptible to and dependent on flattery from social media.

Susceptible? It is the only thing that matters. If it doesn’t stroke his ego then it doesn’t matter. At all.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:14:32am
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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:15:19am

re: #108 MsJ

I need some feel good.

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One of my dogs does that when he receives a tweet. We say he’s hunting or stalking his prey.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:16:12am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:17:07am

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

donkey visiting

?!?

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:18:54am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Media tries both siding this shutdown, which is entirely on Trump and the GOP - specifically Trump and McConnell.

Democrats didn’t want a shutdown and they weren’t going to be extorted into paying for Trump’s boondoggle wall. Trump then explicitly said he’s taking credit for the shutdown.

Aiding Trump is McConnell, who in December passed a continuing resolution by voice vote that included no funding for the wall. Voice vote - unanimous consent. There were no dissenters to the clean continuing resolution.

McConnell wont put that same bill language up to a vote because he doesn’t want to embarrass Trump now because Trump loses. That’s why we have a shutdown.

This isn’t about Democrats.

This is about a bunch of Republicans who don’t know how to govern, think that sabotaging functioning government is their right and obligation, and that all of the GOP actions are meant to result in more tax breaks for millionaires like Trump while the burdens flow to everyone else. They figure that if they break government and nothing bad happens they prove the case that government is too big and they can gut essential parts of the government (again for the sweet tax breaks).

All the while, this immigration policy is straight out of the white nationalist playbook and plays well with angry white guys who are furthest from the actual border with Mexico.

The people who live in border states and live closest to the border are opposed to the shutdown and the wall - because they see how all this works, and they’d be the ones bearing the burden (from the government seizing land by eminent domain for the boondoggle, etc.) White nationalist immigration policy might play well in Iowa with the Steve King GOP base, but these are also the people least likely to encounter someone who isn’t white. They’ve got themselves a bogeyman and aren’t going to give up that ghost. This is how the GOP operates.

McConnell has put party over nation in giving Trump cover.

That puts the shutdown squarely on the GOP, and we’re even starting to see some Senate GOPers bristle at this.

Having media outlets try to both sides this bulkshit is just that - bulkshit. AP isn’t the only ones to do this- even NPR was trying to both sides this but they’re getting pushback from folks who rightfully point out that Trump explicitly took credit for the shutdown.

The GOP is no longer a responsible political party. It’s a party of saboteurs and agents provocateurs who are compromised and complicit. The more we learn about Mueller’s ongoing investigations and the spinoffs to federal prosecutors, the more we’re seeing the web of criminality that springs from the Russia-GOP-Trump-NRA nexus.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:20:25am
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Maynard Ampersand  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:20:46am

I’ve been trying to give AOC a fair shake, but this is like something a cab driver told Tom Friedman or Jacob Wohl overheard in a hipster coffee shop. The first missing paycheck hasn’t happened yet.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:24:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:25:56am

Trump Has Defeated Himself
The president, trapped without a decent exit in a predicament of his own making, will yield everything and get nothing.

JAN 8, 2019

David Frum
Staff writer at The Atlantic

…But Trump has never wanted a solution. He has wanted a divisive issue and a personal monument. Futile though that monument may be, he could have gotten it, too, had he been willing to trade something attractive to Democrats. But Trump was never willing to bargain. Senate Republicans would not let him: They saw no point in the border wall, and were unwilling to barter for it

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:29:10am

re: #129 Dave In Austin

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He’s just another Kochsucking whore.

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:30:37am

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump, the self-declared master negotiator, boxed himself in a corner with no way out and has nothing to offer anyone except a continued shutdown that he and the GOP are solely responsible for.

No matter how much the AP and others try to both-sides this, it’s on Trump and the GOP.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:32:04am

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump Has Defeated Himself
The president, trapped without a decent exit in a predicament of his own making, will yield everything and get nothing.

JAN 8, 2019

David Frum
Staff writer at The Atlantic

…But Trump has never wanted a solution. He has wanted a divisive issue and a personal monument. Futile though that monument may be, he could have gotten it, too, had he been willing to trade something attractive to Democrats. But Trump was never willing to bargain. Senate Republicans would not let him: They saw no point in the border wall, and were unwilling to barter for it

Trump has always bullied or threatened to get his way.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:33:33am

re: #128 Maynard Ampersand

I’ve been trying to give AOC a fair shake, but this is like something a cab driver told Tom Friedman or Jacob Wohl overheard in a hipster coffee shop. The first missing paycheck hasn’t happened yet.

Possibly. Or the furloughed worker could simply be looking ahead to Friday and the paycheck afterward, which would reflect the weeks missed so far.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:34:30am

Still trying to own the news cycle.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:35:43am

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…But Trump has never wanted a solution. He has wanted a divisive issue and a personal monument. Futile though that monument may be, he could have gotten it, too, had he been willing to trade something attractive to Democrats. But Trump was never willing to bargain. Senate Republicans would not let him: They saw no point in the border wall, and were unwilling to barter for it…

AP: But he is willing to bargain. He is willing to open the government.

////

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:36:22am

re: #135 MsJ

Still trying to own the news cycle.

And that pesky story about his former campaign manager giving polling data to the Russians.

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:37:03am

re: #128 Maynard Ampersand

You sure of that?

The 2018 GSA payroll calendar shows that paychecks were supposed to be issued on December 28.

The 2019 payroll calendar shows the next pay day is tomorrow. Fear of people missing that paycheck is quite real, since there’s no sign the GOP or Trump are going to end this shutdown anytime soon. Tomorrow would be the second paycheck that is held up due to the shutdown.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:37:06am

This article is from today. I had to look at the date multiple times. I couldn’t believe it.

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:38:15am

re: #139 MsJ

Or The Onion.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:40:21am

re: #138 lawhawk

The 2018 GSA payroll calendar shows that paychecks were supposed to be issued on December 28.

Those checks would reflect work through December 21 which was funded. So those checks were paid.

But furloughed workers would naturally start thinking of missing paychecks once they started missing days of work.

I was fortunate this time in that my agency’s appropriations were passed in the Fall.

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:41:01am

re: #141 Sir John Barron

Thanks for the clarification.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:42:27am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:46:53am

re: #141 Sir John Barron

Those checks would reflect work through December 21 which was funded. So those checks were paid.

But furloughed workers would naturally start thinking of missing paychecks once they started missing days of work.

I was fortunate this time in that my agency’s appropriations were passed in the Fall.

Bringing up the wonderful world of “holdback”. Even when they start back, furloughed workers won’t see a check at the end of their first pay period.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:48:17am

JFC

I really hate him

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:48:30am

FORREST!!!!!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:49:18am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

I really hate him

So, no $$ for the actual crisis in California and affected families and property but much more $$ needed for the non-crisis at the southern border.

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:49:36am

Slate: Clumsy message was effective.

Really? It was fact free and loaded with smears and racism. Who was it effective with?

Trump’s white nationalist base? They’re already on board.
Everyone else? Not so much.

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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:49:42am

re: #141 Sir John Barron

Those checks would reflect work through December 21 which was funded. So those checks were paid.

But furloughed workers would naturally start thinking of missing paychecks once they started missing days of work.

I was fortunate this time in that my agency’s appropriations were passed in the Fall.

And, from what I understand, contractors don’t get back pay for the days they are furloughed.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:50:05am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

And isn’t it “Forest”?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:50:19am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forrest fires that, with proper Forrest Management, would never happen. Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money!

Burn, Forrest, Burn!!!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:50:45am

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

FORREST!!!!!

Forrest Trump!

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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:50:57am

re: #150 Sir John Barron

And isn’t it “Forest”?

“Tom Hanks should really do better. Maybe hand out some chocolates.”

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:51:17am

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gump?
Nathaniel Bedford?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:51:45am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:52:11am

re: #149 Belafon

And, from what I understand, contractors don’t get back pay for the days they are furloughed.

Yeah, not sure how that works. Might depend on the contract. Former coworker of mine who was once a contractor said she went on working and getting paid during the previous shutdown.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:52:47am

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

Had to wait for Fox & Fiends this morning.

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makeitstop  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:53:13am

Someone mentioned that the Chuck & Nancy response had an ‘American Gothic’ look about it, so…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:53:33am

lolololololololol

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:54:56am

re: #158 makeitstop

Someone mentioned that the Chuck & Nancy response had an ‘American Gothic’ look about it, so…

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It really did. That was honestly my first thought when I saw it last night.

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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:56:00am

re: #156 Sir John Barron

Yeah, not sure how that works. Might depend on the contract. Former coworker of mine who was once a contractor said she went on working and getting paid during the previous shutdown.

I’m sure it does. But I’m also assuming that regular employees get paid for being furloughed (though I believe this is generally defined in the bill that will be passed to reopen the government), while contractors in some cases would not get paid for doing nothing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:57:19am
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Maynard Ampersand  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:58:45am

re: #134 Sir John Barron

Possibly. Or the furloughed worker could simply be looking ahead to Friday and the paycheck afterward, which would reflect the weeks missed so far.

That’s an unlikely reading of “my family is hurting now that I’m three weeks without a paycheck.” The implication is that the furloughed worker hasn’t been paid in three weeks. I don’t doubt that there are furloughed workers who are scared by the financial uncertainty and still want her to stand firm on the wall, but the conversation she described (complete with quotation marks) did not happen.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2019 • 6:58:59am

MOAR BOTHSIDING

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Maynard Ampersand  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:00:49am

re: #138 lawhawk

You sure of that?

The 2018 GSA payroll calendar shows that paychecks were supposed to be issued on December 28.

The 2019 payroll calendar shows the next pay day is tomorrow. Fear of people missing that paycheck is quite real, since there’s no sign the GOP or Trump are going to end this shutdown anytime soon. Tomorrow would be the second paycheck that is held up due to the shutdown.

The December 28 paychecks were issued. I know, because I got one.

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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:05:50am

re: #128 Maynard Ampersand

I’ve been trying to give AOC a fair shake, but this is like something a cab driver told Tom Friedman or Jacob Wohl overheard in a hipster coffee shop. The first missing paycheck hasn’t happened yet.

Someone needs to challenge her. What’s the name of that group that kept trying to infiltrate Democratic campaigns and got ACORN shut down?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:09:00am

re: #49 Chrysicat

Rosenstein-resignation rumours are being floated again as of an hour ago. I think we have to pray they’re as false now as in October, though at least the House can try to pass an independent-counsel statute now, once Mueller’s officially fired.

But wouldn’t any investigation, even if the Rs in the Senate didn’t block it, have to start from scratch?

The House will fight to get Mueller’s work product from the DOJ. Plus Mueller has spread a lot of it around to other prosecutors. I don’t think Barr will be able to keep it all bottled up.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:09:22am
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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:11:41am

re: #57 A Mom Anon

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:12:19am

re: #158 makeitstop

Someone mentioned that the Chuck & Nancy response had an ‘American Gothic’ look about it, so…

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That’s…a little unsettling

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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:13:13am

re: #166 Belafon

James O’keefe. That was the person’s name.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:13:32am

re: #168 MsJ

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Oh without a doubt. It’s like would I rather be around someone with a speeding ticket or a MAGA hat.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:14:01am

re: #171 Belafon

James O’keefe. That was the person’s name.

Also the Bin Laden cosplayer :).

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:14:26am

re: #75 A Mom Anon

This is what we end up with in a county where pretty much any mental health care is financially out of reach for most people. We’re not built to handle everything alone, but we’re taught this self-made myth that no one has any help being successful or if you’re sick or hurt it’s your fault. The rich are blessed and the poor are damned. So, humans being humans, they seek out something or somewhere they fit whether it’s healthy or not. The internet has made it far too easy to swim in toxic shit all day and the most broken people are only gonna break more. Sorry, I’m in a mood.

You may be in a mood, but it’s the fucking truth.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:15:12am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

Oh without a doubt. It’s like would I rather be around someone with a speeding ticket or a MAGA hat.

I’d rather be around a speed freak than a MAGA hat.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:15:39am

Trump’s disapproval rating continues to rise. he’s now nearly 13 points underwater. I doubt his speech will change that. Of course he’ll quickly get back to his normal -10 points after the shutdown ends.

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:17:35am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:19:02am

re: #177 lawhawk

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I bet that tweet thrilled Kevin McCarthy and the remnants of the California GOP.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:20:05am
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makeitstop  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:21:46am

Say what you will about Rick Wilson, but his Trump critiques are always on point.

After 17 days of a government shutdown temper tantrum, Trump needed a game-changing home run of a speech to change the political climate in D.C. He failed.

This speech wasn’t about saving his utterly fake wall. The $5.7 billion dollars he’s demanded as his vig for ending the shutdown isn’t even close to being seriously considered, and this speech was an overt admission he’s out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas. The crisis he proudly created will end without a wall, and he knows it.

This speech was supposed to be about forcing the national dialogue to stay on the border wall. No such luck. He reeked of defeat, clearly didn’t want to be there, and it showed.

Trump looked exhausted, squinty, and bored, reading in a near-monotone from the Teleprompter. It went over like a wet fart.

The hysterical Know-Nothing show that flooded America’s airwaves on Tuesday evening was Trumpian boilerplate: Scary immigrants are coming to kill you! Drugs are coming over the border!

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Maynard Ampersand  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:22:27am

re: #166 Belafon

Someone needs to challenge her. What’s the name of that group that kept trying to infiltrate Democratic campaigns and got ACORN shut down?

If you’re implying I want to see AOC fail, you’re very much mistaken. I happen to think everyone, AOC included, would be better served if she were less cavalier about factual accuracy. I also wish the discussion around her were more nuanced. It seems like everyone is either bashing her for dumb shit like dancing videos or else so enamored they consider any criticism to be illegitimate.

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makeitstop  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:22:38am

re: #170 Sir John Barron

That’s…a little unsettling

The pitchfork sends a nice message, I think.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:23:43am

re: #179 MsJ

Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forrest fires that, with proper Forrest Management, would never happen. Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money!

— Donald J. Trump

So, “forrest” fires are never supposed to happen? And what does this guy know about “proper Forrest Management” or proper management of any kind?

So, if the border patrol fails to prevent border crossings, Which Should Never Happen, does that mean that the border patrol should not get any more money money or more walls or anything?

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:24:18am

I listened to Pod Save America interview with Dave Weigal yesterday on Warren’s campaign appearances in Iowa. I’m not throwing in with any particular candidate, but Weigal was really impressed, he said, with Warren’s approachability (likability) and focus on issues (over taking on Trump by name). She’s going to do better than pundits think.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:25:44am

re: #180 makeitstop

This was also A++

He said it tonight; the idea of a glorious concrete wall from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico is deader than that lemur he glues on his head every morning.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:27:07am

re: #179 MsJ

Obviously the dotard is trying to make the point that Hurr Hurr I Personally Sent Billions of Dollars to the State of California to Fix their Forrrrrest Fires the least you people can do is give me a few billions to pay for my Wall.

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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:29:30am

re: #181 Maynard Ampersand

If you’re implying I want to see AOC fail, you’re very much mistaken. I happen to think everyone, AOC included, would be better served if she were less cavalier about factual accuracy. I also wish the discussion around her were more nuanced. It seems like everyone is either bashing her for dumb shit like dancing videos or else so enamored they consider any criticism to be illegitimate.

I’ve seen a couple of things where she’s needed to do a bit more research. But I don’t see anything where she’s just made stuff up out of whole cloth, because that would end the power she’s gained by being open. And I’m looking at the whole tweet. I was looking at the second part of that tweet, the “don’t stop blocking the wall on my account”. That just sounds so contrived. So, either she did make it up, or someone came in selling the kind of bs that O’Keefe’s group is known for.

Edit: This is also taking into account what you are saying.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:31:07am

Mr. President your speech bombed, you’ll have to treat something outrageous this morning to deflect attention.

NO PROBLEM!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:31:58am

Forrest Trump. My name is Forrest Trump.

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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:32:20am

re: #181 Maynard Ampersand

If you’re implying I want to see AOC fail, you’re very much mistaken. I happen to think everyone, AOC included, would be better served if she were less cavalier about factual accuracy. I also wish the discussion around her were more nuanced. It seems like everyone is either bashing her for dumb shit like dancing videos or else so enamored they consider any criticism to be illegitimate.

It also raises a question: Did everyone receive a paycheck on the 28th?

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:32:33am

re: #187 Belafon

I’ve seen a couple of things where she’s needed to do a bit more research. But I don’t see anything where she’s just made stuff up out of whole cloth, because that would end the power she’s gained by being open. And I’m looking at the whole tweet. I was looking at the second part of that tweet, the “don’t stop blocking the wall on my account”. That just sounds so contrived. So, either she did make it up, or someone came in selling the kind of bs that O’Keefe’s group is known for.

I highly suspect the bolded part.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:33:18am

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

lolololololololol

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How much is $5,00?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:34:07am

She’s learning. I just hope she doesn’t get burned out from the constant scrtunity. There’s no other freshmen in either party that has gotten the amount she has.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:35:20am
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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:35:37am

re: #163 Maynard Ampersand

That’s an unlikely reading of “my family is hurting now that I’m three weeks without a paycheck.” The implication is that the furloughed worker hasn’t been paid in three weeks. I don’t doubt that there are furloughed workers who are scared by the financial uncertainty and still want her to stand firm on the wall, but the conversation she described (complete with quotation marks) did not happen.

Really? That first paycheck that person misses, what the fuck do you think is going to happen? They are going to be hurting! They won’t be able to pay any bills or buy food, etc. There are lots of things to focus on and this is the one you choose?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:35:47am

re: #187 Belafon

I’ve seen a couple of things where she’s needed to do a bit more research. But I don’t see anything where she’s just made stuff up out of whole cloth, because that would end the power she’s gained by being open. And I’m looking at the whole tweet. I was looking at the second part of that tweet, the “don’t stop blocking the wall on my account”. That just sounds so contrived. So, either she did make it up, or someone came in selling the kind of bs that O’Keefe’s group is known for.

That got me to checking which agencies are open and which ones are closed can’t pay their workers right now. And HUD is one of the shut down/furloughed agencies.

It wouldn’t surprise me if O’Keefe’s thugs tried to get some Dem congresscritter to say how bad it was that the employees of an agency were being furloughed when the employees of this particular agency were not.

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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:36:42am

re: #193 HappyWarrior

She’s learning. I just hope she doesn’t get burned out from the constant scrtunity. There’s no other freshmen in either party that has gotten the amount she has.

Yeah, you have to cuss just to get them to point the camera somewhere else.

I don’t have access to twitter right now, but I was wondering what some of her co-freshmen were saying.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:37:55am

re: #193 HappyWarrior

She’s learning. I just hope she doesn’t get burned out from the constant scrtunity. There’s no other freshmen in either party that has gotten the amount she has.

Why do you think they are hounding her like this? They are trying to get her to break down.

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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:38:19am

re: #63 nowherenorth2

Lady. ” Well I don’t know the statistics. I’ll pray for you and your state.”
Me ” ok”

She was my teaching partner where we had to teach to the rest of the trainees.

Awesome.
Back to the grind.

Morning LGF!

This is the example where I’ll pray for you isn’t really a good greeting.

It is more of a put-down and condemnation.

I’ll pray that you change your evil ways.

There is not a true Christian wish in it when it is said to you in that context.

I might have answered back: no, pray for yourself.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:39:59am

wjla.com

Missed it last night since all the focus was on the Manbaby’s speech but we retained our State Senate seat:
wjla.com

I’ve met Boysko. She was a huge backer of her fellow, Jen, her predecessor and now our Congresswoman Wexton. She’s unashamed to be a liberal and she has a special place to me since she before going to Richmond played a big part in why my hometown became more progressive. The Republican she beat, Joe May actually was my State Senator here just west of her district and he’s really not that bad but he needed to lose. And I am glad he did.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:40:43am

re: #197 Belafon

Yeah, you have to cuss just to get them to point the camera somewhere else.

I don’t have access to twitter right now, but I was wondering what some of her co-freshmen were saying.

Yeah my own Congresswoman is a freshman. She’s been pretty low key so far. I’m going to see what committees she made.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:41:33am
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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:42:36am

re: #183 Sir John Barron

So, “forrest” fires are never supposed to happen? And what does this guy know about “proper Forrest Management” or proper management of any kind?

So, if the border patrol fails to prevent border crossings, Which Should Never Happen, does that mean that the border patrol should not get any more money money or more walls or anything?

This is also about Pelosi being from CA.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:42:38am

So far though, Wexton has been great. She showed solidarity with the many federal employees we have in VA-10 by refusing her salary during the shutdown, she’s offered her support to the trans community, and she’s backed DC statehood too. It’s not even been a week and I’m thrilled with what my work and the work of others got us here in VA-10.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:43:12am

re: #186 Sir John Barron

Obviously the dotard is trying to make the point that Hurr Hurr I Personally Sent Billions of Dollars to the State of California to Fix their Forrrrrest Fires the least you people can do is give me a few billions to pay for my Wall.

I am honestly surprised he didn’t call it Pelosifornia.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:43:12am

re: #127 MsJ

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Loved the trophy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:43:49am

heh…somebody told him how to spell forest:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:45:27am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:48:44am

bwahahahahaaaaa

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Maynard Ampersand  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:49:51am

re: #190 Belafon

It also raises a question: Did everyone receive a paycheck on the 28th?

In past shutdowns, everyone has been timely paid for work performed before the shutdown started. Paychecks go out about a week after the end of the pay period. It’s possible some folks fell through the cracks this time, but if so I haven’t heard about it.

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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:50:31am

re: #73 MsJ

Does it matter? The senate would confirm a kumquat if trump nominated it.

I am sincerely hoping that this is happening because Mueller is wrapping up. A couple of days ago, he asked for an extension of the Grand Jury, six months, which is apparently a one time thing. He would have to impanel a new GJ if it goes beyond that. I am hoping and praying he is in his end game now.

Yesterday’s redaction disaster for Manafort clearly shows that this is a big deal, likely the biggest nugget we have gotten thus far. I am pretty surprised it’s not a bigger deal. We’ll have to see how today’s news cycle plays out but that really was just shy of the MOAB’s (with the final mother being donny and junior).

Also, it was noted on twitter (which is famous for accuracy, I know) that Jr was saying he was getting indicted (again).

And we only learned that stuff yesterday because of lawyers screwing up.

In a way that tells me Mueller has a lot more as he holds his cards tight.

He probably already knows how those poll numbers were used. We have to remember he already indicted the Russian troll army. To me that means he has actual computer info as to how they worked.

If he has data that shows after Manafort passed them the polling numbers there was immediate activity at Facebook, Twitter and YouTube that ties to areas the numbers showed there influence was needed, then he knows the manner in which they worked.

Now he knows how they knew where to work. He probably already had people go to Facebook, Twitter and YouTube to check files of activity and where they came from, maybe even has tweets directly tied to the trollers.

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plansbandc  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:54:15am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

How is it even possible that a “president” could do that? Has any other in history denied help like this? What an absolute piece of shit.

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:55:01am

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wildly misinformed - gross understatement of the day.

Trump doesn’t care about facts. Period.
He doesn’t care about logic either.

He knows his base doesn’t care about any of these things. They support him unconditionally as an article of faith - it’s a belief system more than a rational actor/rational basis for support.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:55:08am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

bwahahahahaaaaa

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OTOH, if he is a spy I wonder if Trump burned him.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:55:46am

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 7:55:49am

re: #212 plansbandc

How is it even possible that a “president” could do that? Has any other in history denied help like this? What an absolute piece of shit.

I strongly suspect that he has made no such demand of FEMA or anyone else and that he’s just tweeting this for the hell of it.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:00:23am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

bwahahahahaaaaa

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Reminds me of a story I read about a guy who, after being caught by the cops at the end of a car cash, was charged with a litany of felonies and also with failure to wear his seat belt.

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garzooma  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:00:58am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stole rocks?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:03:14am

re: #217 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Reminds me of a story I read about a guy who, after being caught by the cops at the end of a car cash, was charged with a litany of felonies and also with failure to wear his seat belt.

yeah…I thought stealing rocks from Red Square was a nice touch

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John Hughes  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:03:46am

re: #19 Anymouse ??

Even Pink Floyd didn’t drone on this much about the friggin’ wall and they sold 19 million copies FFS

Yeah, but Pink Floyd’s wall was made of bricks, not good old US steel slats.

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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:04:09am

re: #98 Dave In Austin

When Shep Smith on Fox does is better…
Let’s face it folk. The message and the messengers have to change.

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Shep Smith isn’t a politician that is well known, liked and disliked.

Politicians have a different way they have to rebute than news people.

If Beto and Alexandria would have done the counter to Trump last night they too would have pissed somebody off, but for different reasons.

Too old. Too young. Too liberal/progressive. Not liberal progressive enough.

It’s politics.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:04:15am

re: #218 garzooma

Stole rocks?

Red Rocks

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:04:29am

Your PressSec on hallucinogens:

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:04:40am
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Jay C  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:07:26am

re: #158 makeitstop

Someone mentioned that the Chuck & Nancy response had an ‘American Gothic’ look about it, so…

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Heh. And you know where they want to stick that pitchfork…

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:09:49am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:10:03am

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…somebody told him how to spell forest:

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Now, if only they could teach him when to capitalize it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:11:20am

re: #223 jaunte

Your PressSec on hallucinogens:

“To normal Americans watching in the heartland, and who are not steeped in Trump hatred, the president must have seemed like the adult in the room.”

heartland = hundreds of miles away from the actual border and not subject to expropriation to build the wall

also probably miles from the nearest brown person

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:13:37am

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Talk to them like people in Iowa.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:15:09am

So, does he think we should charge bigots to come to the wall and gawk at the Mexicans? Or is it the other way around?

Facebook Post

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:15:13am

re: #187 Belafon

I’ve seen a couple of things where she’s needed to do a bit more research. But I don’t see anything where she’s just made stuff up out of whole cloth, because that would end the power she’s gained by being open. And I’m looking at the whole tweet. I was looking at the second part of that tweet, the “don’t stop blocking the wall on my account”. That just sounds so contrived. So, either she did make it up, or someone came in selling the kind of bs that O’Keefe’s group is known for.

Edit: This is also taking into account what you are saying.

Her statement seemed so lame but I didn’t even think of the possibility of O’Keefe. He and his group are still around and it wouldn’t be out of his character to pull a stunt like that to discredit her.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:15:18am
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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:16:12am

Lt. Gov Dan Patrick of Texas just visited with Trump and picked up some of his rhetorical tics / blatant lying:

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:16:39am
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:17:38am

Why aren’t those federal employees out there adjusting to living without pay?

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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:21:14am

One final thing, as I think lawhawk said, some people probably start their “without paycheck” counter the moment they were furloughed. It could have been a real person and they’re having to think about living in terms of not having the upcoming paycheck.

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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:21:45am

re: #128 Maynard Ampersand

I’ve been trying to give AOC a fair shake, but this is like something a cab driver told Tom Friedman or Jacob Wohl overheard in a hipster coffee shop. The first missing paycheck hasn’t happened yet.

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Since you’ve been trying to give her a break are you saying you already do not like her and she has to win you over?

That could also be seen as you are looking for ways to justify your dissatisfaction.

I gave up looking for perfect in politics a long time ago. And if I start to really like someone, I can be sure the media or others will tell me why I shouldn’t!

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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:21:46am

re: #235 Patricia Kayden

Why aren’t those federal employees out there adjusting to living without pay?

“Look at all those Democrats. I don’t care about them.” - Trump, obviously

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:22:05am

re: #235 Patricia Kayden

Why aren’t those federal employees out there adjusting to living without pay?

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Idiots are asking why they don’t set up a GoFundMe….

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:22:45am

re: #234 lawhawk

A problem Grassley has is that IA needs migrant workers. A multitude of stories are saying just that. It is hurting farmers as is the pointless trade war.

It will be interesting to see how all this plays out in the polls.

One of the things we have going against us is that the POTUS office used to be revered and a broadcast message meant something. Just like news used to be Walter Cronkite and Peter Jennings.

Breaking out of that trust, especially for older people, is going to be tough. I think that’s why Fox initially was so well received (and it wasn’t as nuts as it is now). So, we’ll have to see how this all plays out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:23:15am

re: #238 Belafon

“Look at all those Democrats. I don’t care about them.” - Trump, obviously

And Trump also forgets that there are are still more than a handful of Republicans living in California…

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John Hughes  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:23:27am

re: #91 MsJ

Guy filming it made exactly same observation as me:

Putain!

Some hot-shot pilots in the Gendarmerie.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:25:06am

re: #241 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And Trump also forgets that there are are still more than a handful of Republicans living in California…

Not for long. Trump keeps saying that and 2020 may eliminate the remaining MAGAts in the state.

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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:25:29am

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

FORREST!!!!!

One thing about Trump, he is building up more and more reasons for people to hate him.

This is no way to be a politician, let alone the politician in the highest office in America.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:25:33am

re: #239 Joe Bacon ??

Idiots are asking why they don’t set up a GoFundMe….

Many have. And last I saw, they didn’t get much of anything (meaning nothing at all).

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:27:18am

Thread: Russian mystery loan coming from billionaire Viktor Vekselberg’s COUSIN via a single purpose LLC with an in-debt front man. TOTALLY LEGIT.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:28:21am

re: #223 jaunte

Your PressSec on hallucinogens:

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Column by Marc Thiessen. What a surprise (not).

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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:28:44am

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Interesting.

That might explain why the other eye was semi-closed. He was squinting to keep the bright light down.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:29:28am

Favorite of the genre:

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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:31:28am

re: #166 Belafon

Someone needs to challenge her. What’s the name of that group that kept trying to infiltrate Democratic campaigns and got ACORN shut down?

Project Veritas to the rescue!

(That’s Jimmy O’Keefe’s outfit…that who you mean?)

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Jay C  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:35:25am

re: #241 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And Trump also forgets that there are are still more than a handful of Republicans living in California…

And that some of those GOPers represent out-in-the-backwoods districts where brush/forest fires are a real and present danger.

I think it would be a nice gesture if all 53 California Representatives (led by their senior member, Speaker Pelosi) trooped over to the WH en masse, along with Senators Feinstein and Harris, and made their displeasure with this Presidential brainturd known loud and clear.
It would also point out the fact that those 53 CA Reps are 12% of the entire HoR…

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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:36:07am

re: #181 Maynard Ampersand

If you’re implying I want to see AOC fail, you’re very much mistaken. I happen to think everyone, AOC included, would be better served if she were less cavalier about factual accuracy. I also wish the discussion around her were more nuanced. It seems like everyone is either bashing her for dumb shit like dancing videos or else so enamored they consider any criticism to be illegitimate.

Now that I can buy into.

She is young and she has a mic stuck in her face all the time now. She needs to learn that doesn’t mean you have to say anything.

She could have kept it simple and said she is hearing from furloughed government workers that are really concerned.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:38:19am

Bezos is getting a divorce.

KaChing.

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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:38:23am

re: #183 Sir John Barron

So, “forrest” fires are never supposed to happen? And what does this guy know about “proper Forrest Management” or proper management of any kind?

So, if the border patrol fails to prevent border crossings, Which Should Never Happen, does that mean that the border patrol should not get any more money money or more walls or anything?

He had a fire in Trump Tower.

Maybe they need to rake the floors in the damn building, or go through the apartments from time to time to see if people are over stressing extension cords.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:38:40am
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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:39:13am
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:40:22am

re: #254 ObserverArt

He had a fire in Trump Tower.

Maybe they need to rake the floors in the damn building, or go through the apartments from time to time to see if people are over stressing extension cords.

Some people say a sprinkler system may have helped…. ///

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:43:04am

re: #256 MsJ

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If that guy had any sense, he would have left the GOP the minute this was even considered. There’s an op-ed today in the Post by a self described transgendered Republican former military officer who gives the usual “I vote Republicans because blah blah taxes and government but I don’t like the Republicans attacking my identity.” Well frankly ma’am, if your party’s idea of small government includes waging war on people with your gender identity, then they’re not small government. You don’t necessarily need to become a Democrat but FFS.

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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:43:47am

re: #250 ObserverArt

Project Veritas to the rescue!

(That’s Jimmy O’Keefe’s outfit…that who you mean?)

That’s the one.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:44:30am

re: #233 jaunte

This just in from Lt. Gov. @DanPatrick. “The truth is the purpose of that legislation was to force school districts from forcing boys and girls to share showers and locker rooms and that stopped.”

“The purpose of our bill was to force people to not do the one thing that no one is doing so we got our force and it worked and we won.”

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:46:21am

re: #216 Sir John Barron

I strongly suspect that he has made no such demand of FEMA or anyone else and that he’s just tweeting this for the hell of it.

Or that if he has said something like this to someone at FEMA the FEMA official knows enough to realize that Forrest Trump will forget about this by lunch time so don’t bother following through.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:46:25am

I did not know this was a thing. I always pick the gif that fits the moment, no matter what color the person is. And if it in any portrays a stereotype I skip it entirely.

I would never use a Spacey or Cosby gif or pic (unless it was about criminals). Same with Wieinstein.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:46:37am
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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:47:24am

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

heartland = hundreds of miles away from the actual border and not subject to expropriation to build the wall

also probably miles from the nearest brown person

But they are coming!!!

Locks the doors, shutter the windows!

The Brown people are coming Ethel.

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sagehen  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:47:30am

re: #147 Sir John Barron

So, no $$ for the actual crisis in California and affected families and property but much more $$ needed for the non-crisis at the southern border.

Let’s not forget that one of the “features” of the tax scam… is that for those families who have to rebuild their homes and buy all new furniture, it’s not tax deductible anymore.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:48:24am

re: #260 Sir John Barron

“The purpose of our bill was to force people to not do the one thing that no one is doing so we got our force and it worked and we won.”

Remember, that bill was meant to protect CIS women from violence by Trans-women. Uh Hu.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:48:27am

re: #263 Patricia Kayden

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#Tiredofwinning

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gwangung  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:49:09am

re: #262 MsJ

I did not know this was a thing. I always pick the gif that fits the moment, no matter what color the person is. And if it in any portrays a stereotype I skip it entirely.

I would never use a Spacey or Cosby gif or pic (unless it was about criminals). Same with Wieinstein.

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It’s a bit of a thing…..but I don’t tend to use GIFs. (But I do know folks who make a point of either doing a diverse array of GIFs or do them using their own folks).

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:49:28am

re: #262 MsJ

**shrugs**
Who cares about the color of the person in the gif if it fits the comment? I guess, we can fight about every dang thing if we’re overly sensitive.

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Jay C  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:50:29am

re: #260 Sir John Barron

“The purpose of our bill was to force people to not do the one thing that no one is doing so we got our force and it worked and we won.”

I think Patrick may have intended to use “stop” instead of that first “force” in his tweet: it makes more sense that way (the tweet, not the inane crowing over a non-victory on a non-issue).
But this shouldn’t be a surprise- isn’t Dan Patrick considered the wingnut’s wingnut, even in Texas?

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:50:38am

re: #263 Patricia Kayden

That was yesterday. I want to see the same polling from today. (Not hatin’ on it, just sayin’.)

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:51:27am

re: #266 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Remember, that bill was meant to protect CIS women from violence by Trans-women. Uh Hu.

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If convicted, they have to register as sex offenders.

To which I said, GOOD.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:52:51am

re: #269 Patricia Kayden

**shrugs**
Who cares about the color of the person in the gif if it fits the comment? I guess, we can fight about every dang thing if we’re overly sensitive.

It actually makes me sad because I look at a person as a person as a person…unless that person is a creep like Spacey, et al.

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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:53:10am

re: #253 MsJ

Bezos is getting a divorce.

KaChing.

I heard that on of all places The Dan Patrick Show which I have on in the background.

That would be the Dan Patrick sports guy, not the asshole from Texas.

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sagehen  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:53:14am

re: #184 Barefoot Grin

I listened to Pod Save America interview with Dave Weigal yesterday on Warren’s campaign appearances in Iowa. I’m not throwing in with any particular candidate, but Weigal was really impressed, he said, with Warren’s approachability (likability) and focus on issues (over taking on Trump by name). She’s going to do better than pundits think.

The Democrats have never done well with Massachusetts nominees.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:53:15am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:56:37am
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Jay C  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:57:21am

re: #275 sagehen

The Democrats have never done well with Massachusetts nominees.

Well, not recently, anyway…

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:58:24am

re: #272 MsJ

If convicted, they have to register as sex offenders.

To which I said, GOOD.

Yep. Karmic justice is a cold hearted bitch.

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sagehen  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:59:12am

re: #214 Barefoot Grin

OTOH, if he is a spy I wonder if Trump burned him.

And if he’s not a spy, why does he have four passports? (US, UK, Canada and Ireland).

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 8:59:36am
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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:01:39am

re: #280 sagehen

And if he’s not a spy, why does he have four passports? (US, UK, Canada and Ireland).

IIRC, the CIA came out and said he wasn’t in government at all…or someone from some agency. They usually don’t do that. Who knows.

The whole thing is odd, to say the least.

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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:04:17am

re: #263 Patricia Kayden

Yeah, we need to make it more obvious that McConnell is preventing the government from reopening.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:04:45am

re: #275 sagehen

The Democrats have never done well with Massachusetts nominees.

I would call her an Oklahoma nominee.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:06:08am

re: #284 Barefoot Grin

I would call her an Oklahoma nominee.

She’s really not though. She may be from there and she indeed sounds more like she’s from there and than Massachusetts but she’s going to be linked with Massachusetts. I do think she’s better than a lot of the detractors give her credit for but I have other preferences right now. That said, I’m glad she’s running.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:09:29am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

She’s really not though. She may be from there and she indeed sounds more like she’s from there and than Massachusetts but she’s going to be linked with Massachusetts. I do think she’s better than a lot of the detractors give her credit for but I have other preferences right now. That said, I’m glad she’s running.

MSNBC had a segment on her a few days ago . I wasn’t a fan (she’s too old) before but she was very impressive and engaging.

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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:10:16am

re: #275 sagehen

The Democrats have never done well with Massachusetts nominees.

Until recently, Democrats hadn’t done very well with minority candidates either.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:10:21am

This is so cute!!

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:11:10am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

She’s really not though. She may be from there and she indeed sounds more like she’s from there and than Massachusetts but she’s going to be linked with Massachusetts. I do think she’s better than a lot of the detractors give her credit for but I have other preferences right now. That said, I’m glad she’s running.

That’s true. This lines up with my thinking now. It’s going to get interesting.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:12:41am

Andrea Mitchell just called Trump’s speech “low energy.”

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:12:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:14:44am
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Chrysicat  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:15:07am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:16:11am

re: #293 Chrysicat

“Forrrests of Trees. Why are they there? Are there no boats to build, housing to develop?”

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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:16:58am

re: #286 Hecuba’s daughter

MSNBC had a segment on her a few days ago . I wasn’t a fan (she’s too old) before but she was very impressive and engaging.

Was that her interview with Rachel Maddow? I caught some parts of that. Liz Warren is passionate about the inequalities in this country. She has some of the same points as Bernie, but she also knows there are a lot of reasons for the problems.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:17:27am

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth
You just know that long turtle pause was them thinking ” Hey, all you humans gawking, higher beings and all. How about a damn hand down here?”

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:21:24am

This is the first time in history that an opposition party rebuttal had more viewers than a message by the President.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:21:30am

re: #286 Hecuba’s daughter

MSNBC had a segment on her a few days ago . I wasn’t a fan (she’s too old) before but she was very impressive and engaging.

I really will need to see more but right now my top two choices are probably Beto and Harris but I’m open minded too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:21:49am

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There’s no cake in the Constitution, Rand.

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Chrysicat  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:21:51am
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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:22:15am
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:22:51am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

I really will need to see more but right now my top two choices are probably Beto and Harris but I’m open minded too.

I really want Duckworth but unfortunately I don’t see anything to indicate she’s gonna run.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:23:13am

re: #295 ObserverArt

Was that her interview with Rachel Maddow? I caught some parts of that. Liz Warren is passionate about the inequalities in this country. She has some of the same points as Bernie, but she also knows there are a lot of reasons for the problems.

That’s why I like AOC more than I do Bernie as well OA. AOC may have gotten involved in Bernie’s campaign three years ago but she correctly sees as do you, Warren, and other folks here that there are other factors regarding the inequalities. Warren doesn’t dismiss PoC the way Bernie does too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:23:48am

re: #297 goddamnedfrank

This is the first time in history that an opposition party rebuttal had more viewers than a message by the President.

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That’s going to enrage him. Expect stories in the coming days from WH staffers about how Trump is “upset” that he lost to Pelosi and Schumer in the ratings wars.

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:23:52am

re: #297 goddamnedfrank

For the guy who always thinks about his ratings, this is going to hurt quite a bit.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:23:56am

thread

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:24:03am

And this is why a wall will do NOTHING but waste money.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:24:26am

re: #302 goddamnedfrank

I really want Duckworth but unfortunately I don’t see anything to indicate she’s gonna run.

Yeah Duckworth would be awesome. Maybe pair her with Beto since I think Beto will run.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:25:34am

re: #307 jaunte

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And this is why a wall will do NOTHING but waste money.

Ari, you ignorant slut, you have to be in this country to apply for asylum and frankly after the shit your administration did, you have no right to lecture about legality. Being undocumented is not worse than waterboarding, you fucking pig.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:26:30am

re: #305 lawhawk

For the guy who always thinks about his ratings, this is going to hurt quite a bit.

That’s why I was adamant about not giving him my ratings. I did turn it on after he was done (thanks, LGF).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:27:53am

re: #310 MsJ

That’s why I was adamant about not giving him my ratings. I did turn it on after he was done (thanks, LGF).

Yeah I didn’t even give him a stream. As you know, I hate hearing that stupid voice.

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William Lewis  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:28:51am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

Yeah Duckworth would be awesome. Maybe pair her with Beto since I think Beto will run.

Between parenting and her physical challenges, she is probably very happy to serve the people of Illinois in the Senate. Pity as she’d be good for higher up.

I could also see a Beto/Baldwin pairing though.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:28:55am
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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:30:10am

re: #307 jaunte

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And this is why a wall will do NOTHING but waste money.

Once you acknowledge that asylum seekers are not “illegals,” then you begin to lose the whole “legal vs illegal” moral argument. And that’s what they fear most, not being able to argue that they’re totally cool will legal immigration, but we need various draconian measures to stop “illegal” immigration.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:31:44am

re: #312 William Lewis

Between parenting and her physical challenges, she is probably very happy to serve the people of Illinois in the Senate. Pity as she’d be good for higher up.

I could also see a Beto/Baldwin pairing though.

Baldwin is definitely worth looking at IMO. I like the idea of a Westerner like Beto or Harris paired with a Midwesterner like Tammy B or Tammy D or your neighbor Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:32:45am

re: #297 goddamnedfrank

This is the first time in history that an opposition party rebuttal had more viewers than a message by the President.

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More people voted for HRC than voted for Donny Two Scoops

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:33:39am

re: #316 Eventual Carrion

More people voted for HRC than voted for Donny Two Scoops

Just like more people will vote for his opponent next year.

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:34:11am
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Swampwitch  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:34:44am

The idea of Cadet Bone Spurs on the same debate stage as actual military hero/wounded warrior Tammy Duckworth is just so damned delicious.

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wrenchwench  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:34:49am

re: #314 Targetpractice

Once you acknowledge that asylum seekers are not “illegals,” then you begin to lose the whole “legal vs illegal” moral argument. And that’s what they fear most, not being able to argue that they’re totally cool will legal immigration, but we need various draconian measures to stop “illegal” immigration.

What it comes down to is their illegal schemes to stop legal immigration. Including kidnapping and murder.

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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:36:21am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

I really will need to see more but right now my top two choices are probably Beto and Harris but I’m open minded too.

Here is her Rachel Maddow Interview. It is three parts.

Elizabeth Warren: ‘No To The Billionaires’ Funding Politics | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

Warren: Corruption Makes Donald Trump ‘An Accelerant’ Of Inequality | The Rachel Maddow Show | MSNBC

Elizabeth Warren: Endless War In Syria, Afghanistan Is Not Working | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:37:17am

re: #321 ObserverArt

Here is her Rachel Maddow Interview. It is three parts.

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Thank ya.

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:37:35am

re: #320 wrenchwench

What it comes down to is their illegal schemes to stop legal immigration. Including kidnapping and murder.

That too. They find it easier to defend kiddie jails and dead refugees is they dub them “illegals” because we as a culture have been conditioned to believe that criminals “did something to deserve such treatment.”

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:38:21am

Reason 5000 on why the wall wont do any of the things Trump claims.

Asylum is legal immigration. Federal and international law permit it. This is a proper way to seek to immigrate to the US. You can enter via a port of entry or surrender to a law enforcement officer and claim asylum. The time to process has been screwed up thanks to inadequate funding, and the shutdown makes it even tougher. Trump’s family separation policy was intent on trying to deter/deny people seeking asylum from even coming to the border to present themselves.

The wall wont stop drug trafficking, when the majority of drugs come through ports of entry or by sea or by mail (see fentanyl coming via China).

The wall wont stop the opioid epidemic (see above). Opioid addiction gained traction because legal pharmaceuticals lied about the addictive nature of the newest drugs, and people got hooked so fast that they began needing a fix beyond what doctors could prescribe. The epidemic has taken a tragic turn as people don’t know what’s in the drugs they’re buying off the streets, which can include the most addictive class of opiods, including fentanyl, which can be fatal if you don’t dose precisely.

The wall wont stop anyone who overstays a visa. The majority here illegally are because they’ve overstayed their visas.

Crime by illegal aliens is at a lower rate per capita than natural born Americans. Murder, rape, and all crime categories are committed at higher rates by natural born Americans than by illegal aliens. Trump focuses on illegals because it’s easy to demonize the nonwhites than to address gun violence (which is primarily by Americans against Americans).

Trump’s boondoggle doesn’t address any of those.

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:39:43am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:40:38am

re: #325 lawhawk

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I really want to see that little fucker rotting in a jail cell. Fucking evil little fascist shti.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:40:39am

re: #307 jaunte

Thank you, Chris Hayes. Asylum seekers ARE NOT BREAKING THE LAW.

Democrats need to say this over and over again and cite to the protocol which shows this fact. I’m sick and tired of hearing that migrants are breaking the law for coming here and seeking refuge. NOT TRUE.

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wrenchwench  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:40:41am

re: #323 Targetpractice

That too. They find it easier to defend kiddie jails and dead refugees is they dub them “illegals” because we as a culture have been conditioned to believe that criminals “did something to deserve such treatment.”

The parents who put their children through such a dangerous journey are risking their lives.

To save them from certain death.

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Jay C  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:40:54am

re: #314 Targetpractice

Once you acknowledge that asylum seekers are not “illegals,” then you begin to lose the whole “legal vs illegal” moral argument. And that’s what they fear most, not being able to argue that they’re totally cool will legal immigration, but we need various draconian measures to stop “illegal” immigration.

Which distinction the Trump-humpers and Wallnuts are probably never going to make, as the fundamental opposition to “illegal immigration” is, for a disgracefully large segment of the electorate, rooted in racist-prejudicial opposition to ALL (non-white) immigration. A subtext which most of the political and news media tend to figleaf with terms like “nativism” or “nationalism” - when they just don’t elide over it entirely….

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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:40:57am

re: #305 lawhawk

For the guy who always thinks about his ratings, this is going to hurt quite a bit.

And the fun fact is a lot of people watching were Trump haters.

I think that means he didn’t fair well with his base and certainly not with independents. It also indicates his base may not be all that big.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:41:35am

re: #313 MsJ

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:42:34am

re: #327 Patricia Kayden

Thank you, Chris Hayes. Asylum seekers ARE NOT BREAKING THE LAW.

Democrats need to say this over and over again and cite to the protocol which shows this fact. I’m sick and tired of hearing that migrants are breaking the law for coming here and seeking refuge. NOT TRUE.

They need to point out that undocumented is a misdemeanor and that instead of showing disdain to people who are fleeing violence, poverty, etc for a better life, we should be welcoming them. And we should remind Trump and his asshole son that their own ancestor was booted out of Germany for breaking the law and that Mother Trump was part of chain immigration.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:42:44am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

AP FACT CHECK: Rape Victim puts the blame for her rape on the Rapist. But it takes two to tango. The Rapist’s demand for power, sex, and degradation is one reason for the rape. The Rape Victim’s refusal to just lay there and take it is another.
— AP Politics (@AP_Politics) January 9, 2019

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Amory Blaine  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:43:58am

Don jr is an even bigger piece of shit than his old man.

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plansbandc  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:44:14am
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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:45:02am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Baldwin is definitely worth looking at IMO. I like the idea of a Westerner like Beto or Harris paired with a Midwesterner like Tammy B or Tammy D or your neighbor Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota.

Sounds more and more like Sherrod Brown is going to enter. Local NBC did a report on him last night.

I’m still not sure I like the idea, but I like him. He might be more of a bridge between the Warren/Sanders types and a Democratic standard bearer.

And I would hate to lose him as an Ohio senator.

Conflicted.

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makeitstop  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:46:02am

I’m reading AP’s Twitter TL, and they’re getting dragged on every single tweet for their bullshit ‘two to tango’ ‘fact check.’

As they should be.

How embarrassing. I hope AP is enjoying their ratio(s).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:46:07am

re: #334 Amory Blaine

Don jr is an even bigger piece of shit than his old man.

He is because he should know better.

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wrenchwench  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:46:20am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

They need to point out that undocumented is a misdemeanor and that instead of showing disdain to people who are fleeing violence, poverty, etc for a better life, we should be welcoming them. And we should remind Trump and his asshole son that their own ancestor was booted out of Germany for breaking the law and that Mother Trump was part of chain immigration.

A few years ago. so called ‘chain migration’ was going to save our economy from declining birthrates. Now the strategy is to increase the birthrate through more forced births.

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Citizen K  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:46:27am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:47:11am

re: #336 ObserverArt

Sounds more and more like Sherrod Brown is going to enter. Local NBC did a report on him last night.

I’m still not sure I like the idea, but I like him. He might be more of a bridge between the Warren/Sanders types and a Democratic standard bearer.

And I would hate to lose him as an Ohio senator.

Conflicted.

Yeah I hear ya. I think you describe what I’m looking for though. I’m looking for someone in between the Bernie/Warren type and the standard bearer. That’s why I wished O’Malley had done better.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:47:34am

re: #337 makeitstop

I’m reading AP’s Twitter TL, and they’re getting dragged on every single tweet for their bullshit ‘two to tango’ ‘fact check.’

As they should be.

How embarrassing. I hope AP is enjoying their ratio(s).

I can’t believe they haven’t deleted and apologized for that bullshit tweet yet.

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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:47:46am

re: #333 Dr. Matt

AP FACT CHECK: Rape Victim puts the blame for her rape on the Rapist. But it takes two to tango. The Rapist’s demand for power, sex, and degradation is one reason for the rape. The Rape Victim’s refusal to just lay there and take it is another.
— AP Politics (@AP_Politics) January 9, 2019

You need to change the last little bit to talk about enjoying the ride.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:49:05am

re: #340 Citizen K

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They do that shit all the time. And it needs to be called out for how disgusting it is. Obama nor Biden never called people in Red States not real Americans or insinuated that they had an inferior work ethic to Blue staters. Funny, these people complain about elitism all the time but they have a fucked up idea that they’re better than New Yorkers or Californians because they’re convinced they’re “real Americans.” Well dumbass, if you’re within our borders, it doesn’t matter if you’re in Alaska or Hawaii or anywhere in ebtweem, you’re in America. And Republicans can go to hell for that shit.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:49:44am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

He is because he should know better.

Assumption. Do you think junior was ever taught anything else?

Sure he is giant a piece of shit…but it fell from the elephant’s ass.

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gwangung  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:51:00am

re: #329 Jay C

Which distinction the Trump-humpers and Wallnuts are probably never going to make, as the fundamental opposition to “illegal immigration” is, for a disgracefully large segment of the electorate, rooted in racist-prejudicial opposition to ALL (non-white) immigration. A subtext which most of the political and news media tend to figleaf with terms like “nativism” or “nationalism” - when they just don’t elide over it entirely….

Yup. They created immigration laws in the first place to keep non-white people out.

It was literally identity politics (white identity politics).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:51:06am

re: #345 MsJ

Assumption. Do you think junior was ever taught anything else?

Sure he is giant a piece of shit…but it fell from the elephant’s ass.

True, I’m merely saying. He should see what a shit his father is and try not to be it but he constantly doubles down.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:51:34am

re: #340 Citizen K

And anytime the Left speaks slightly ill-willed towards fly-over states, there is complete and utter meltdown from the right claiming the Left are elitists who can’t relate to “real America”.

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Teukka  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:52:04am

re: #333 Dr. Matt

AP FACT CHECK: Rape Victim puts the blame for her rape on the Rapist. But it takes two to tango. The Rapist’s demand for power, sex, and degradation is one reason for the rape. The Rape Victim’s refusal to just lay there and take it is another.
— AP Politics (@AP_Politics) January 9, 2019

re: #343 Belafon

You need to change the last little bit to talk about enjoying the ride.

*giggles*

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:52:26am

re: #346 gwangung

Yup. They created immigration laws in the first place to keep non-white people out.

Chinese Exclusion Act comes to mind. As an American of Irish descent, I’m particularly disgusted by the role not only Irish-Americans had in that but Irish immigrants.

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Citizen K  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:52:47am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

They do that shit all the time. And it needs to be called out for how disgusting it is. Obama nor Biden never called people in Red States not real Americans or insinuated that they had an inferior work ethic to Blue staters. Funny, these people complain about elitism all the time but they have a fucked up idea that they’re better than New Yorkers or Californians because they’re convinced they’re “real Americans.” Well dumbass, if you’re within our borders, it doesn’t matter if you’re in Alaska or Hawaii or anywhere in ebtweem, you’re in America. And Republicans can go to hell for that shit.

See, the problem is you’re thinking about how it is. They want it ‘how it should be’. They want maximum exclusion. They want people born here to be marked with the scarlet letter of I for ‘IMMIGRANT’ (with the implicit suggestion of ‘ILLEGAL’ along with it), and marked as permanent second class, because they’re the wrong sort of person and thus not ‘American’. They want all us urban hellhole dwellers to be marked for being scary ‘cosmopolitan’ ‘globalists’ and thus tainting the supreme purity of their perfect ‘Real America’. Thus it’s alright to treat entire other populations with disdain, because in their perfect world, we wouldn’t just be second-class citizens.

We’d be dead.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:52:51am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:53:14am

re: #307 jaunte

The Democrats no longer are able to make a moral distinction between those who seek to come here legally and those who come here illegally. That represents a breakdown in respect for the law and a huge problem for our nation.
— Ari Fleischer

Seriously, Ari? Your party doesn’t want any immigrants from south of the border, legal or otherwise.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:53:23am

re: #348 Dr. Matt

And anytime the Left speaks slightly ill-willed towards fly-over states, there is complete and utter meltdown from the right claiming the Left are elitists who can’t relate to “real America”.

Which comes from people who live in those same coastal enclaves. Rich Lowry and his faux intellectual douchebags at NR don’t live in the Heartland and I bet Lowry would lose his shit if he ever had to live in the “real America” he loves to praise.

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gwangung  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:53:33am

re: #350 HappyWarrior

Chinese Exclusion Act comes to mind. As an American of Irish descent, I’m particularly disgusted by the role not only Irish-Americans had in that but Irish immigrants.

Precisely.

The various Asian Exclusion Acts are nothing more than white identity politics….and they were the first immigration laws.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:54:00am

re: #331 MsJ

That “N” word one was quite shocking. Really dude?

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gocart mozart  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:54:48am

Funny article

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:55:40am

re: #355 gwangung

Precisely.

The various Asian Exclusion Acts are nothing more than white identity politics….and they were the first immigration laws.

Yep. Same thing with the 1924 Quotas that my Great Grandma from Slovakia just missed out on. All the whining from white people about identity politics. We’ve been doing it for years and we continue to do it by having people like Megyn Kelly on FNC get pissy at the idea of a black Santa Claus, rage about the idea of making James Bond black, or acknowledging yeah white privilege is a fucking thing.

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:57:01am

re: #353 Sir John Barron

Seriously, Ari? Your party doesn’t want any immigrants from south of the border, legal or otherwise.

Ari is still gliding over the fact that it’s legal to ask for asylum.

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Citizen K  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:57:19am

re: #348 Dr. Matt

And anytime the Left speaks slightly ill-willed towards fly-over states, there is complete and utter meltdown from the right claiming the Left are elitists who can’t relate to “real America”.

It doesn’t even have to be actual ill-will. It can just be insufficient deference. It’s the same shit that carries around the scare of ‘tyranny of the majority’ whenever someone suggests anything about the Electoral College or complaints about the way the Senate is appropriated. The further flung areas must be represented, and at a greater rate, so as to counteract the evil of the urban enclaves.

re: #352 MsJ

But see, it’s still California, therefore they must be punished. Once they have the individualism to finally secede from the evil librul depths, they can get treated like ‘Real America’.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 9:57:53am

re: #359 jaunte

Ari is still gliding over the fact that it’s legal to ask for asylum.

Ari’s former boss should have a talk with him. It’s interesting seeing the divide in the former Bush administration members about Trumpism. You’ve got those like Frum who are fervent Never Trumpers and then you got those like Ari.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:01:28am

re: #347 HappyWarrior

True, I’m merely saying. He should see what a shit his father is and try not to be it but he constantly doubles down.

I am in no way excusing junior. I despise him. But when you are raised in excess, when you are raised with the kind of privilege that their level of money provides, you cannot know your father is a shit because it is normal, every day behavior ALL AROUND YOU…not just dad but mom, friends, acquaintances.

This is the life of money where no one, not one single person, matters unless they have something you want, can give you something you need, or have more money than you (which you then want to steal because fuck them, they have more than me!)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:02:16am

re: #362 MsJ

I am in no way excusing junior. I despise him. But when you are raised in excess, when you are raised with the kind of privilege that their level of money provides, you cannot know your father is a shit because it is normal, every day behavior ALL AROUND YOU…not just dad but mom, friends, acquaintances.

This is the life of money where no one, not one single person, matters unless they have something you want, can give you something you need, or have more money than you (which you then want to steal because fuck them, they have more than me!)

Very true.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:03:22am
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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:04:21am

re: #356 Patricia Kayden

That “N” word one was quite shocking. Really dude?

My mouth literally fell open. Even Pat (who is a total dick) was like a fish out of water.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:04:40am

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The fucking year and date are in the URL but yeah Donny Jr keep on acting like you and your Dad are so so smart and everyone who rightfully despises your stupid clan are the dumb ones.

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:07:13am

Trump’s shut-down is yet another treaty violation against native American nations to add to the pile.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:08:01am
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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:10:33am
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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:11:14am

re: #368 Patricia Kayden

Ernst is going to be interesting. I keep seeing articles about IA farmers needing farm hands and they rely on migrant workers.

Between that and the soybean debacle, I want to see new polling on that to believe IA is R+3.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:11:34am

re: #369 jaunte

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he really does think Mad Max is really happening at the border

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:12:18am

re: #371 Backwoods_Sleuth

“They’re shiny, they’re chrome…”

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:12:41am

re: #371 Backwoods_Sleuth

he really does think Mad Max is really happening at the border

He’s witnessed them.

//

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:14:12am

Good luck, eaters!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:15:26am

re: #369 jaunte

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Wtf.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:16:03am

re: #368 Patricia Kayden

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I think all six are winnable.

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makeitstop  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:16:45am

re: #365 MsJ

My mouth literally fell open. Even Pat (who is a total dick) was like a fish out of water.

The total silence was deafening.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:17:22am

sure, you go ahead and do that…

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:18:29am

This is, of course, insane.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:18:40am

re: #373 Targetpractice

He’s witnessed them.

//

Yep, seen ‘em coming through the desert with Muslims dancing all around them.

(I was going to spell it “dessert”, but didn’t want to take away from the sentiment)

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:18:50am

re: #378 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sure, you go ahead and do that…

Says the man who just keeps jacking up his demands while insisting Democrats are the ones who won’t compromise.

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:19:06am

re: #126 lawhawk

The AP 2-to-tango post now has a ratio of 20k to 6.1k.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:19:21am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:19:32am

re: #379 jaunte

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This is, of course, insane.

Toddler in chief yall.

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Citizen K  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:19:58am

re: #379 jaunte

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:20:48am

re: #379 jaunte

That’s not how a national emergency works.

That’s grounds for a 25A because he’s a tangerine toddler whose negotiation tactics include extortion and holding his breath.

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darthstar  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:20:54am

Thanks everyone, for the positive words. Much appreciated.

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:22:34am

re: #386 lawhawk

That’s not how a national emergency works.

That’s grounds for a 25A because he’s a tangerine toddler whose negotiation tactics include extortion and holding his breath.

Underlined by the phrasing “do a national emergency if I want.”

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gocart mozart  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:22:59am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:26:14am

re: #378 Backwoods_Sleuth

sure, you go ahead and do that…

So, he’s actually saying this out loud, not privately?

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:26:47am

re: #369 jaunte

WATCH: Trump argues that we need a border wall to stop migrants just driving right across in their “unbelievable vehicles… stronger, bigger, and faster vehicles than our police have, than ICE has”

Exclusive footage from the US/Mexico border!!

Mad Max: Fury Road (2015) - The chase begins (1/10) (slightly edited) [4K]

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HappyWarrior  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:28:51am

re: #391 Dr Lizardo

Exclusive footage from the US/Mexico border!!

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I saw that on InfoWars.//

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:29:11am

We must fill the strategic Doof Wagon gap.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:29:34am

re: #369 jaunte

WATCH: Trump argues that we need a border wall to stop migrants just driving right across in their “unbelievable vehicles… stronger, bigger, and faster vehicles than our police have, than ICE has”
— The Daily Beast

Is this what he said last night?

If they already have such vehicles, what would they come to America for?

I’m also wondering about the child who died in custody and that child’s family. Did they have such super “unbelievable”, fast, Big, Very Big vehicles?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:31:01am

re: #394 Sir John Barron

Is this what he said last night?

If they already have such vehicles, what would they come to America for?

I’m also wondering about the child who died in custody and that child’s family. Did they have such super “unbelievable”, fast, Big, Very Big vehicles?

pretty sure he said it today

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:32:51am

re: #369 jaunte

So, how will our Great Big Beautiful Wall stop such “unbelievable” vehicles, these vehicles that are “stronger, bigger, and faster” than what our police forces have?

Has Donnie been watching The $6 Million Dollar Man reruns? “We can make him bigger, faster, stronger, than he was”.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:33:40am

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

pretty sure he said it today

You mean he had this great scoop about Super Vehicles and he didn’t use it last night? Sad.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:34:57am

re: #369 jaunte

This is really a fascinating claim, “unbelievable” really.

It also seems like something that could be verified, or that could require some documentation, evidence, pictures.

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:36:02am

re: #396 Sir John Barron

Wall wont stop cars with ramps… you know.. like from doing this:

Knight Rider - K.I.T.T. jumps from one building to another

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Jay C  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:36:16am

”If they already have such vehicles, what would they come to America for?”

To liven up our Monster Truck competitions?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:37:31am
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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:38:18am

re: #369 jaunte

Which is why they walked.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:38:54am

re: #401 Charles Johnson

He probably thinks the Mad Max films are documentaries.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:39:30am

re: #397 Sir John Barron

You mean he had this great scoop about Super Vehicles and he didn’t use it last night? Sad.

he’s used it before. Probably didn’t have enough time to include it last night.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:39:54am

I would respect Wernher von Braun a lot more is he was trying to get as many subwoofers as possible into his rockets.

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:40:47am

re: #403 Dr Lizardo

He probably thinks the Mad Max films are documentaries.

Hey now, the V8 Interceptor was a mighty machine. That’s why we had to let the driver in and grant him citizenship.

//

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lawhawk  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:41:04am
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makeitstop  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:41:10am

Looks like AP Politics’ Twitter crew took the rest of the day off.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:41:53am

re: #369 jaunte

This sort of claim is not too far removed from saying something like—

“Since 1983 our country has been run by a secret commission of Big Blue Men who are really Tall, like 10 ft tall.”

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Dr. Matt  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:43:52am

Donnie’s shutdown has been going on for 18 days. If there was an actual national emergency, he should have declared one 18 days ago or anytime over the last 2 years.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:44:11am

re: #403 Dr Lizardo

He probably thinks the Mad Max films are documentaries.

He’s pandering and doesn’t believe a fucking word.

This is just another way of goosing the crisis and making apprehensions at the border sound heroic rather than mundane, non-criminal affairs.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:45:56am

“If we don’t get what we want, one way or the other… I will shutdown the government … So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.”
~Donnie J. Dotard

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:46:26am

re: #411 The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery

He’s pandering and doesn’t believe a fucking word.

This is just another way of goosing the crisis and making apprehensions at the border sound heroic rather than mundane, non-criminal affairs.

Trump’s full of shit, and everyone knows it.

I’d love to actually see someone - anyone, really - just call him out on it during a presser. “Hey, you’re full of shit, old man!” or something to that effect.

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Alephnaught  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:50:55am

In other news, Kate Bush is not a Tory. She’s made an official statement on her website, which I found out through a Twitter friend.

Again with no response from me to the latest resurfacing of this article, it could make it seem like I am a tory supporter which I want to make clear I am not.</strong>

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:51:59am
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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:53:44am

re: #414 Alephnaught

In other news, Kate Bush is not a Tory. She’s made an official statement on her website, which I found out through a Twitter friend.

Is this a bit like people finding out Taylor Swift wasn’t a Republican.

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:53:55am
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wrenchwench  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:54:57am

re: #415 jaunte

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It’s only Hallway roulette if you’re so bad at it, you’d be taking a chance. AOC does hallway shot put.

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Belafon  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:55:03am

re: #415 jaunte

“i’m not going to play this game where I say something, you print it, and I’m suddenly held accountable.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:55:18am

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:55:26am

Is Mexico paying for this too? I forget.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 9, 2019 • 10:59:00am

So I see a Fox News headline here saying the Washington Post now thinks there is a border crisis. Is there another stupid op-ed to blame for this?

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Dr. Matt  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:04:24am

re: #422 Eclectic Cyborg

So I see a Fox News headline here saying the Washington Post now thinks there is a border crisis. Is there another stupid op-ed to blame for this?

Ugh. I looked at their website. I think those bird box creatures are after me now.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:04:40am

re: #417 jaunte

Like the two worlds in Counterpart only over here and not Berlin. There is a Howard Silk, played by J.K.Simmons and Howard Prime, also played by J.K.Simmons and the Prime world is the world that is unknown by the other world.

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Chrysicat  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:04:57am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:08:16am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:09:16am

re: #426 Charles Johnson

“Hi, we’re really not crazy-obsessed with AOC like the libtard media want you to believe, and we aren’t saying this nude selfie really is of AOC but we’re just asking questions….”

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:09:51am

re: #417 jaunte

Let’s be clear here:

Transformers would in fact be fantastic at muling drugs.

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TedStriker  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:15:09am

re: #427 Sir John Barron

“Hi, we’re really not crazy-obsessed with AOC like the libtard media want you to believe, and we aren’t saying this nude selfie really is of AOC but we’re just asking questions….”

“Now, if you’ll excuse me…”

*”conservative” faps uncontrollably*

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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:15:26am

re: #415 jaunte

Lindsay Wise
@lindsaywise
Newly minted Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley won’t be answering Qs about shutdown (or anything else) on Capitol Hill

“No comment. I’m not going to play hallway roulette with you,” Hawley told @KCStar when asked about plight of federal workers. “I don’t do that” mcclatchydc.com

Josh Hawley. 39 years old.

Proof that younger Republicans are no better than the old farts.

In fact this attitude signals he may be worse. That is not good.

And they voted Claire McCaskill out for him. Yuk!

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Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:16:05am
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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:16:13am
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darthstar  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:18:46am

BTW, the ocean was beautiful this morning. 20 feet at 15 seconds…

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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:18:47am

re: #431 Charles Johnson

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They are all part of that vast right wing conspiracy they claim they are not.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:21:39am

re: #68 darthstar

Lizard? I’m taking this story a little personally.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:21:51am

re: #418 wrenchwench

It’s only Hallway roulette if you’re so bad at it, you’d be taking a chance. AOC does hallway shot put.

It’s Hallway Roulette if the Press is the Enemy of the People

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:25:07am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:25:36am
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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:27:30am

re: #426 Charles Johnson

Your response fails to capture the “jerkin’ it because I get to degrade a young woman” aspect of pretending its real.

These sites provide their audience with full-spectrum titillation, not facts or news. They’re pornographers for people who want to feel hate and schadenfreude, and I really wish I was exaggerating when I say that they know exactly what they’re selling when they concoct sex stories about women their audience doesn’t like.

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Jay C  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:31:26am

re: #437 jaunte

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So I wonder just WTH Parscale’s “team” of pollsters is, seeing as they seem to be providing figures exactly contrary to what virtually every other polling outfit in the country presents?

Jim Hoft, Bill Mitchell and Jacob Wohl?
(With Charlie Kirk and Chuck Johnson as their field guys?)

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:33:34am

re: #440 Jay C

So I wonder just WTH Parscale’s “team” of pollsters is, seeing as they seem to be providing figures exactly contrary to what virtually every other polling outfit in the country presents?

Jim Hoft, Bill Mitchell and Jacob Wohl?
(With Charlie Kirk and Chuck Johnson as their field guys?)

I got Parscale’s polling outfit right here:

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jaunte  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:34:13am

re: #440 Jay C

When Parscale moved to South Florida he claimed it was for easier flights to Washington, but it also makes it easier for him to bug out to his offshore accounts when the time comes.

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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:39:01am

This is what it’s about at this point: Getting a “win” to avoid total humiliation.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:40:22am

re: #443 Targetpractice

This is what it’s about at this point: Getting a “win” to avoid total humiliation.

Dems could give them the $5 bill in exchange for a deal on Dreamers.

Cray-cray, I know. But I sense the GOP wants something for nothing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:41:09am

*vomit*

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Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:42:27am

re: #439 The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery

Your response fails to capture the “jerkin’ it because I get to degrade a young woman” aspect of pretending its real.

These sites provide their audience with full-spectrum titillation, not facts or news. They’re pornographers for people who want to feel hate and schadenfreude, and I really wish I was exaggerating when I say that they know exactly what they’re selling when they concoct sex stories about women their audience doesn’t like.

Definitely. These are some of the most sexually dysfunctional people in the world.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:42:52am

re: #445 Backwoods_Sleuth

*vomit*

“I was never in law enforcement myself, you understand. Nor did I encourage any of my children to undertake such a dangerous and underpaid career. But I still think you’re all very terrific for supporting me and as long as you support me I’ll say great things about you. MAGA.”

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Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:44:18am
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Targetpractice  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:44:28am

re: #444 Sir John Barron

Dems could give them the $5 bill in exchange for a deal on Dreamers.

Cray-cray, I know. But I sense the GOP wants something for nothing.

Here’s the reason why these “negotiations” have been in totally bad faith and thus a total joke at damage control: The White House wants the DNC to put something on the table, wants them to make the first move to show they’re “serious” about making a deal. If Donny were the “dealmaker” he loves to claim he is, he’d be putting forward offers publicly to show he wants to give the DNC something in exchange for wall funding.

But he’s not, because it’s all about dominance politics for him and the need to show that he’s the one in control. So the DNC have to come to him, they have to ask him for something in exchange for that money, and the fact that they’re not has left him in a spot he absolutely hates: Not being the one in control.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:47:40am

re: #379 jaunte

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This is, of course, insane.

So we have Exhibit 1 in the application for preliminary injunction that will be filed if/when he declares a national emergency and attempts to divert funds…

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Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:51:19am
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ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:53:09am

re: #449 Targetpractice

Here’s the reason why these “negotiations” have been in totally bad faith and thus a total joke at damage control: The White House wants the DNC to put something on the table, wants them to make the first move to show they’re “serious” about making a deal. If Donny were the “dealmaker” he loves to claim he is, he’d be putting forward offers publicly to show he wants to give the DNC something in exchange for wall funding.

But he’s not, because it’s all about dominance politics for him and the need to show that he’s the one in control. So the DNC have to come to him, they have to ask him for something in exchange for that money, and the fact that they’re not has left him in a spot he absolutely hates: Not being the one in control.

I’d make that last bit something like: Not being the one to appear to be in control.

Because it is always about appearance.

If someone can find him an out from the beatings he is taking I think he would jump on it fast. Just as long as it appears he was the one that brought about the win.

If nothing is done by Friday and Federal workers don’t get paid he and the Republicans aren’t going to be so damn cocky.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:53:54am
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Anymouse ??  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:56:41am

re: #426 Charles Johnson

Wikifeet (dot) com, the foot-fetish site, already debunked this.

They have photos of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s feet (in context, attached to the rest of her in public), and the cam girl who’s feet those really are (who said she will no longer post pictures of her feet unless you pay because conservatives are misusing her feet for political narratives).

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:57:48am

re: #453 Single-handed sailor

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sagehen  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:58:42am

re: #454 Anymouse ??

Wikifeet (dot) com, the foot-fetish site, already debunked this.

They have photos of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s feet (in context, attached to the rest of her in public), and the cam girl who’s feet those really are (who said she will no longer post pictures of her feet unless you pay because conservatives are misusing her feet for political narratives).

Cam-girl is no ordinary anonymous cam-girl… that’s Sydney Leathers, best known for sexting with Anthony Weiner. So, she’s kind of used to being used for political narratives.

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wrenchwench  Jan 9, 2019 • 11:59:58am

re: #453 Single-handed sailor

[Trump administration orders wildlife refuges employees back to work so hunters can hunt ]

Hunting in a wildlife refuge?!? That doesn’t seem fair.

That happens here, but it’s only kids with bows and arrows (one of my customers, when she was 15, got an elk).

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Anymouse ??  Jan 9, 2019 • 12:00:45pm

re: #456 sagehen

Cam-girl is no ordinary anonymous cam-girl… that’s Sydney Leathers, best known for sexting with Anthony Weiner. So, she’s kind of used to being used for political narratives.

Okay. I’d seen her name before but forgot it. I didn’t want to go over to Wikifeet and dig the name up again.

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MsJ  Jan 9, 2019 • 12:47:52pm

re: #456 sagehen

Cam-girl is no ordinary anonymous cam-girl… that’s Sydney Leathers, best known for sexting with Anthony Weiner. So, she’s kind of used to being used for political narratives.

Fascinating connection.


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