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Dave In Austin  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:30:03pm

Whoo, Shit got Incredibly funky there……

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:33:10pm
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plansbandc  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:36:22pm

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:36:43pm

Woo-Hoo! The Washington, DC area hits yet another jackpot:

From the Washington Post:

“Wes Junker, Capital Weather Gang’s winter weather expert, said the high-altitude disturbance coming through on Sunday is in prime position to maximize snowfall somewhere in the region. “[T]he track would argue that someone in the area will probably get a foot,” he said in an email.”

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:39:16pm

re: #2 Single-handed sailor

Why Andrew Lack hasn’t been fired at NBC for blowing $69M like that boggles the goddam mind.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:39:44pm
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Anymouse ??  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:41:21pm

I’m going to head off to bed. It’s getting late.

re: #540 Myron Falwell

That’s the thing. Trump is taking the GOP down an unpresidented path. Herbert Hoover’s economic ineptitude was catastrophically bad, and Andrew Johnson was damn near removed from office, but AFAIK, neither were investigated as being willing foreign assets.

There’s always a first time for everything, eh?

The stuff with Russia, the NRA, the GOP, and Trump pre-dates Trump though. Those didn’t suddenly spring up because Trump ran for office. This is looking like a multi-decade corruption and foreign influence peddling issue, and Trump is just the guy at the top of the party when it came out.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:43:47pm

re: #5 Myron Falwell

Why Andrew Lack hasn’t been fired at NBC for blowing $69M like that boggles the goddam mind.

What a stupid hire that was. It’s not like Megyn was insightful at all on FNC with such hits like insisting Santa Claus shouldn’t be represented as black.

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:48:38pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:48:38pm

re: #7 Anymouse ??

I’m going to head off to bed. It’s getting late.

There’s always a first time for everything, eh?

The stuff with Russia, the NRA, the GOP, and Trump pre-dates Trump though. Those didn’t suddenly spring up because Trump ran for office. This is looking like a multi-decade corruption and foreign influence peddling issue, and Trump is just the guy at the top of the party when it came out.

It’s like a perfect convergence. On their own the NRA and Trump wouldn’t have garnered much attention with their Russian problems. Once Trump ran for president, that all changed.

And it likely was the plan all along.

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:49:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:50:12pm

re: #9 jaunte

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They really are hacks over there.

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:50:17pm

re: #7 Anymouse ??

I agree with your point that this has been going on a long time. For example, part of the movement has been trying to overturn the New Deal on since the Great Depression and the very start of FDR’s New Deal.

Some years ago I read an excellent book on this anti-New Deal part of the right wing movement:

Invisible Hands: The Businessmen’s Crusade Against the New Deal Paperback -
by Kim Phillips-Fein

“In the wake of the profound economic crisis known as the Great Depression, a group of high-powered individuals joined forces to campaign against the New Deal―not just its practical policies but the foundations of its economic philosophy.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:50:52pm

re: #11 jaunte

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Pretty rich considering I’m positive Taibbi is a 9/11 Truther.

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:51:30pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

When I saw how eager they were to downplay the Russian connections appearing everywhere I had to wonder.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:52:05pm

re: #13 ckkatz

I agree with your point that this has been going on a long time. For example, part of the movement has been trying to overturn the New Deal on since the Great Depression and the very start of FDR’s New Deal.

Some years ago I read an excellent book on this anti-New Deal part of the right wing movement:

Invisible Hands: The Businessmen’s Crusade Against the New Deal Paperback -
by Kim Phillips-Fein

“In the wake of the profound economic crisis known as the Great Depression, a group of high-powered individuals joined forces to campaign against the New Deal―not just its practical policies but the foundations of its economic philosophy.”

Where AM and I definitely agree is that conservatism in this country has more than not been on the wrong side of the issues liberalism was on the right side of.

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plansbandc  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:52:38pm

Ladies and Gents: The best cartoon ever. Fight me. No not really. But it is the best cartoon ever.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:52:46pm

re: #11 jaunte

Thank you for those selflessly giving of their time and talents to read Greenwald so I never have to.

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piratedan  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:53:28pm

re: #11 jaunte

Maybe Matt should find a new profession because apparently not twigging to the largest political scandal in the history of our nation to be able to tut-tut Rachel fucking Maddow over the fact that apparently not just the Trump Administration but apparently the entire GOP Party Hierarchy and quite possibly a good many of our national print media and television news program directors are implicated in supporting a fascist, Racist, Illegal and Idiotic regime seems to be something of a disqualifier for me to ever take him seriously again.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:54:16pm

re: #15 jaunte

When I saw how eager they were to downplay the Russian connections appearing everywhere I had to wonder.

Ditto. And apparently Nina Turner was telling the Congressional Dems nkt to investigate Trump too heavily. There’s something to these self fancied progressives who want us to ignore Trump and Russia and frankly I think it’s because they have Russia ties too. Putin likes playing the left too. He does it in Europe as well.

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:54:35pm

re: #6 Single-handed sailor

Interesting seeing the Hammer and Sickle flag. Be interesting to hear the context of it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:55:16pm

re: #21 ckkatz

Interesting seeing the Hammer and Sickle flag. Be interesting to hear the context of it.

Far left hates Macron too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:57:05pm

I’m going to watch which candidates have the most dismissive attitude about Russia in the primaries. Those will be the ones regardless of how progressive they fancy themselves to be will not be getting my support.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:58:18pm

re: #9 jaunte

LOL. Rachel Maddow is not only being vindicated in her relentless coverage of the Russian scandals, she’s now starting to beat Lumpy in the ratings. Bigly.

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:59:20pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

Where AM and I definitely agree is that conservatism in this country has more than not been on the wrong side of the issues liberalism was on the right side of.

And I agree with you both.

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Mattand  Jan 12, 2019 • 9:59:56pm

re: #17 plansbandc

Ladies and Gents: The best cartoon ever. Fight me. No not really. But it is the best cartoon ever.

dailymotion.com

Nope, I’m gonna go with “Stimpy’s Invention”.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:00:42pm

re: #25 ckkatz

And I agree with you both.

It’s honestly terrifying. I think conservatism thrives when we take progress for granted. Certainly enough people did in 2016.

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:01:56pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Far left hates Macron too.

True this.

But are these guys the far far left, the far far right, or both? And how does one tell the difference.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:03:32pm

re: #28 ckkatz

True this.

But are these guys the far far left, the far far right, or both? And how does one tell the difference.

It’s hard to know sometimes. Sergey(Nyet) has pointed out to us that the Russian communists are both homophobic and xenophobic and certainly sexist as well.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:04:16pm

A lot the past three years has me wary of populism tho.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:11:21pm

I want the wealthy to pay a progressive tax but at the same time, I don’t want every person wealthy reduced to the 1% and everyone else reduced to the 99%. Values matter too. A wealthy pro lgbt and immigrant person is my ally more than a homophobic coal miner.

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:15:02pm

re: #7 Anymouse ??

The stuff with Russia, the NRA, the GOP, and Trump pre-dates Trump though. Those didn’t suddenly spring up because Trump ran for office. This is looking like a multi-decade corruption and foreign influence peddling issue, and Trump is just the guy at the top of the party when it came out.

Trump’s ignorance and incompetence is the reason it came out. If the president were Cruz, or Rubio, or Kasich, it could have remained hidden.

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freetoken  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:19:12pm
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freetoken  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:19:40pm

Nothing quite like Liberace reading Seeger.

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mmmirele  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:19:44pm

I had a discussion with my brother about the one good thing that has come from the terrible and tragic death of Jamal Khashoggi. The good thing is people have figured out the Saudis mean business and will kill anyone who crosses authority. This realization probably saved the life of Rahaf al-Qunun this week.

I came across the story of another woman who recently escaped from Saudi Arabia via Bahrain and is now a refugee in the Netherlands. Reem Sulaiman was a journalist for several newspapers in Saudi Arabia, but she fell afoul of MbS’s henchman al-Qahtani. She was taken away for a few days and tortured. (It’s not clear how long, but apparently her left hand was damaged as a result.)

Here’s an interview with Sulaiman about how awful Saudi Arabia has become:
middleeasteye.net

This is an article with translations of a thread of tweets by Sulaiman about what happened and her escape:

middleeasteye.net

It’s not that the USA hasn’t dealt with Saudi Arabia in the past when we should have held them at arm’s length, but now our current administration is all kissy-face with MbS and people are being tortured and killed. I personally hope al-Qahtani screws up and ends up in a country where he can be put on trial for his actions.

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:20:34pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

By the way, I have been meaning to mention this book on World War 1 to you:

Catastrophe 1914: Europe Goes to War
Max Hastings

It talks about how the various European countries got into the war, and the first 5 months of fighting. And, if you didn’t already guess. Going to war means that a lot has failed. Spectacularly. As documented in this book

While it seemed to me more academic than the above book, a second book that might interest you is:

The End of Tsarist Russia
Dominic Lieven

He talks about a lot of things Russian, such as the tensions in Ukraine between the pro-Austro-Hungarian elements and the pro-Russian element. I found this quote on World War 1 quite interesting:

“To a degree seldom recognized in English language works, this conflict had much to do with the future of the Ukrainian people, roughly three quarters of whom were Russian subjects in 1914, the remainder living in the Hapsburg monarchy. For some of Russia’s most perceptive and influential observers in 1914, this source of Austro-Russian conflict was much more important than anything that happened in the Balkans.”

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:22:54pm

re: #9 jaunte

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She got her bachelor’s in public policy from Stanford.
Her PhD in politics is from Oxford (the British one, not Mississippi).
She turned down the Marshall Scholarship to accept the Rhodes Scholarship.

She knows stuff.

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:25:10pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

It’s hard to know sometimes. Sergey(Nyet) has pointed out to us that the Russian communists are both homophobic and xenophobic and certainly sexist as well.

I guess that back in the ’70s folks waving the Hammer and Sickle might be considered leftist. Today I would view them as far right. And, for the Stalinists, well into the nutcase range.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:27:23pm

re: #36 ckkatz

By the way, I have been meaning to mention this book on World War 1 to you:

Catastrophe 1914: Europe Goes to War
Max Hastings

It talks about how the various European countries got into the war, and the first 5 months of fighting. And, if you didn’t already guess. Going to war means that a lot has failed. Spectacularly. As documented in this book

While it seemed to me more academic than the above book, a second book that might interest you is:

The End of Tsarist Russia
Dominic Lieven

He talks about a lot of things Russian, such as the tensions in Ukraine between the pro-Austro-Hungarian elements and the pro-Russian element. I found this quote on World War 1 quite interesting:

“To a degree seldom recognized in English language works, this conflict had much to do with the future of the Ukrainian people, roughly three quarters of whom were Russian subjects in 1914, the remainder living in the Hapsburg monarchy. For some of Russia’s most perceptive and influential observers in 1914, this source of Austro-Russian conflict was much more important than anything that happened in the Balkans.”

Yeah I have that one on my list. The Hastings one but thanks. The Lieven sounds good too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:30:02pm

re: #38 ckkatz

I guess that back in the ’70s folks waving the Hammer and Sickle might be considered leftist. Today I would view them as far right. And, for the Stalinists, well into the nutcase range.

It’s hard to say. I’d say they’re definitely left economics wise but more than not right on social issues.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:31:38pm

The Lieven brothers, Dominic and Anatol, are really great historians. Dominic concentrates on Russian history, while Anatol deals with Pakistan and the subcontinent. That might seem an odd juxtaposition, but their mother is Indian, and as you can probably tell by the name, they’re descended from Russian nobility as well.

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:35:09pm

re: #34 freetoken

Nothing quite like Liberace reading Seeger.

From 1972, it appears.

I always had the impression that Liberace was preferred by the pre-Faux audience.

I guess that when one loses Liberace…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:36:01pm

I do remember seeing Dominic interviewed on a documentary about Russia pre Communism with the observation how Russia is unique since its Europe in many ways but it’s not in others. When I took Russian history in college, my professor argued that the primary conflict was between the Slavophiles and modernizers. I think that continues in Ukraine today where Western Ukraine primarily wants better ties with the West while Eastern wants more ties with Russia. Putin is an asshole but he is exploiting real divisions that exist in Ukrainian society.

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Chrysicat  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:37:02pm
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Belafon  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:40:40pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

I want the wealthy to pay a progressive tax but at the same time, I don’t want every person wealthy reduced to the 1% and everyone else reduced to the 99%. Values matter too. A wealthy pro lgbt and immigrant person is my ally more than a homophobic coal miner.

The 1% who aren’t assholes know who we’re talking about, and the 99% who are asses are pretty easy to figure out.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:42:04pm

re: #44 Chrysicat

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:43:12pm

re: #44 Chrysicat

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I can see Daniel didn’t read a damn word. And holy shit she gets worse, had no idea she supported torture.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:46:01pm

Is she even that left wing economics wise that truly separates her? I have no idea why so many like her. She’s not stupid tho. She knew how to convince the Berners she was an ally by endorsing Bernie while not disclosing she bashed Obama from the right.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:46:47pm

If Tulsi hadn’t backed Bernie. She would be Jim Webb to them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:51:29pm

I continue to be pretty solidly on the left but I don’t trust the judgment skills at all of the self fancied more progressive than thou left at all. They’re simply not good judges of character ideologically speaking.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:51:37pm

re: #9 jaunte

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A year later and all the declarations from the moonbats that Russia was a “nothingburger” and Democrats acting as “sore losers” look just so ridiculous. While I don’t believe that too many of those like Taibbi, Cenk, or Tracey are Russian dupes (jury’s out on Greenwald), I do think the presence of so many anti-Clinton Russian bots influenced the belief amongst the American far-left that there was a larger audience for a Bernie/Stein-style candidate that would have carried the election had either been nominated.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 10:56:55pm

re: #51 Targetpractice

A year later and all the declarations from the moonbats that Russia was a “nothingburger” and Democrats acting as “sore losers” look just so ridiculous. While I don’t believe that too many of those like Taibbi, Cenk, or Tracey are Russian dupes (jury’s out on Greenwald), I do think the presence of so many anti-Clinton Russian bots influenced the belief amongst the American far-left that there was a larger audience for a Bernie/Stein-style candidate that would have carried the election had either been nominated.

Yeah I think you could be right there. I think they just don’t see that they’re not as popular as they think. I don’t discount that Bernie did better than expected three years ago but he lost the primary fairly and the DNC was more than accommodating to them. They just don’t see that Bernie has any flaws and it makes them blind to any serious analysis. Taibbi tho tbh is a creep. He’s written some compelling stuff but he’s a sleazy dick.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:02:27pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:03:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:04:49pm

re: #53 Dave In Austin

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I’m a dumbkoff. Sorry.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:05:14pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Yeah I think you could be right there. I think they just don’t see that they’re not as popular as they think. I don’t discount that Bernie did better than expected three years ago but he lost the primary fairly and the DNC was more than accommodating to them. They just don’t see that Bernie has any flaws and it makes them blind to any serious analysis. Taibbi tho tbh is a creep. He’s written some compelling stuff but he’s a sleazy dick.

I had so loved his writing, with his colorful description of Goldman Sachs as a “great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity”.

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Chrysicat  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:06:43pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

So the fuck what. This isn’t a country for while people. It’s a country for all people. But we get it Breitbart, you’re sexually miserable because you’re all as charming as Steve Bannon is and no one wants to fuck you.

Ummm…Happy, sweetie? That’s a parody account.

Though I can honestly imagine the real Breitbart saying it without a word changing, so maybe a parody-fail

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:07:02pm

re: #56 Hecuba’s daughter

I had so loved his writing, with his colorful description of Goldman Sachs as a “great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity”.

Yeah his stuff on the financial crisis is solid but man he’s a dick towards women.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:07:05pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Look Closely…… Parody Acct.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:07:44pm

re: #57 Chrysicat

Ummm…Happy, sweetie? That’s a parody account.

Though I can honestly imagine the real Breitbart saying it without a word changing, so maybe a parody-fail

Ah I’m sorry. Poe’s law you know?

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Dave In Austin  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:08:00pm

This isn’t though….. And it’s fucking spot on.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:08:28pm

I’m a dumbkoff.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:08:55pm

re: #59 Dave In Austin

Look Closely…… Parody Acct.

Yep. I’m a dummy.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:10:03pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Yep. I’m a dummy.

Still love ya though…..

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:11:33pm

re: #64 Dave In Austin

Still love ya though…..

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I mean it’s not like the right isn’t decrying the declining white population heh.

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Chrysicat  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:13:33pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:31:32pm

re: #61 Dave In Austin

This isn’t though….. And it’s fucking spot on.

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It’s a disgrace that the MSM ignored the many leads; that they were so enamored of the anti-Hillary storylines that they failed to do their job. I never saw this ad but my guess is that it would have been ineffective in persuading the undecided because of the innate skepticism of most people toward political ads. Without the press pursuing this story, it was unlikely that average people would treat it seriously.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:41:10pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

It’s hard to say. I’d say they’re definitely left economics wise but more than not right on social issues.

A good example of that is the Communist Party of Bohemia and Moravia (KS?M, the successors to the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia) here where I live. Economically, of course, they’re definitely far-left - but socially, they’re quite conservative, and are strongly opposed to LGBT rights, immigration, etc., out of fear that progressive laws will “dilute the cultural values and ethnic homogeneity of the nation”.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:45:56pm

Fun tune

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 12, 2019 • 11:54:17pm

re: #69 Dave In Austin

Fun tune

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And here’s the vid:

Lizzo - Juice (Official Video)

Oh, yeah; that’s a good one. I like it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:21:14am

Frank Bruni’s hope for the 2020 campaign — that the MSM has learned a lesson and won’t be a Trump accomplice again. I wouldn’t count on that.

nytimes.com

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:27:23am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:30:54am

re: #72 Single-handed sailor

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One of my favorites!

“On a morning from a Bogart movie
In a country where they’ve turned back time
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre
Contemplating a crime….”

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:40:16am

Looks like the Brexit shitshow is coming to a head:

Here’s the full text of the Sunday Times article; because it’s paywalled, I’m putting it behind a private tag and because it’s sort of long-ish.

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sagehen  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:06:02am

re: #74 Dr Lizardo

Looks like the Brexit shitshow is coming to a head:

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Here’s the full text of the Sunday Times article; because it’s paywalled, I’m putting it behind a private tag and because it’s sort of long-ish.

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I don’t understand the nuances of Parliamentary systems in general, the UK in particular, but….

From my reading of the article, and the comments on that tweet… I gather it’s sort of the functional equivalent of if 6 R senators were to suddenly switch to D and tell Mitch to fuck himself and make Chuck the new majority leader and then they pass what they need to reopen the govt by veto-proof majorities?

Or maybe it’s late and I’m punchy and I just don’t understand Parliamentary systems.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:19:42am

re: #75 sagehen

I don’t understand the nuances of Parliamentary systems in general, the UK in particular, but….

From my reading of the article, and the comments on that tweet… I gather it’s sort of the functional equivalent of if 6 R senators were to suddenly switch to D and tell Mitch to fuck himself and make Chuck the new majority leader and then they pass what they need to reopen the govt by veto-proof majorities?

Or maybe it’s late and I’m punchy and I just don’t understand Parliamentary systems.

Different systems. But this potential power-play would effectively render PM May almost entirely powerless. She’d be Prime Minister in name only for the most part; it would be the House of Commons running the show, at least as far as Brexit is concerned.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:30:06am

re: #75 sagehen

And to expand a bit, it means that Parliament can be reasonably confident that, one way or another, it can now stop a no-deal Brexit crashout. That, in turn, means that there is virtually no reason for MP’s who hate PM May’s deal - but are worried enough about a no-deal scenario - to actually vote for May’s deal. The failure of May’s “it’s my deal or no deal” gambit is apparently complete.

And that in turn means that PM May and her cabinet must know that her deal is going down to some kind of historic defeat; and while they don’t know what Parliament is going to do if she tries yet again to kick the can down the road, they likely strongly suspect that’s going to be very bad news for the government.

For weeks, it’s been looking (to me, at least) increasingly like a no-deal crashout is inevitable unless the anti-no-deal Tories were willing to bring down the government and force a new general election. A second Brexit referendum looked pretty much impossible (again, to me) because there’s simply no way the Tories would ever bring legislation before Parliament for a specific referendum format that Parliament would pass. But here’s the thing - if backbenchers can now advance legislation, then suddenly…..anything is possible.

This has the potential to make Game of Thrones look like Sesame Street.

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Teukka  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:58:15am

Me whistles as he walks by and drops a video inconspicuously:

Leaked video: Donald Trump finds out about Iron Sky

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Anymouse ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:02:45am

Well, that was the shortest Democratic campaign for President.

Tulsi Gabbard’s Homophobic Remarks Surface After 2020 Presidential Announcement (Huffington Post, caution for autoplay video of Chris Matthews talking about Kamala Harris)

“To try to act as if there is a difference between ‘civil unions’ and same-sex marriage is dishonest, cowardly and extremely disrespectful to the people of Hawaii,” she said. “As Democrats, we should be representing the views of the people, not a small number of homosexual extremists.”

Six months later, Gabbard spoke more candidly while replying to an email originally sent to her father, Mike Gabbard, who was a Republican city councilman in Honolulu running for Congress.

“I smell a skunk,” Gabbard told Honolulu Magazine. She was responding to an email that was originally addressed to her father asking about his ties to the leader of a Hare Krishna movement in Hawaii, according to the magazine.

“It’s clear to me that you’re acting as a conduit for The Honolulu Weekly and other homosexual extremist supporters of Ed Case [Mike Gabbard’s opponent],” she wrote.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:09:19am

I did not know Robert Mueller was the lead investigator on the PanAm bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland. He is the fellow who tracked down and brought to justice the bombers.

askthepilot.com

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Teukka  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:18:44am

re: #80 Anymouse ??

I did not know Robert Mueller was the lead investigator on the PanAm bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland. He is the fellow who tracked down and brought to justice the bombers.

askthepilot.com

And Donnie has him on his six…

Popcorn anyone?

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Chrysicat  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:22:07am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:38:20am

re: #82 Chrysicat

I can’t help but think it may well be better to expose all this shit Trump has done publicly, via various House Committees and live, televised coverage.

Also, if there are indictments within Trump’s inner circle (Jared and Ivanka, Donnie Jr., etc.) and convictions, plus the various state-level investigations producing results, it may be better to let this SOB twist in the wind. Right now, as things stand, the Senate is keeping Trump in the Oval Office - and granted, that could change if it looks like an electoral bloodbath for the GOP is coming in 2020; at that point, they could decide Trump’s no longer worth it……but of course, they’re also terrified of the GOP base, which could easily move to primary them if the GOP leadership turns against Trump.

They’re in one hell of a pickle and they’ve no one to blame but themselves. They could’ve stopped Trump at any moment during 2015 or 2016, but instead, they foolishly chose to support him.

Now they will reap the whirlwind.

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Chrysicat  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:44:47am

re: #83 Dr Lizardo

The part about House Committees is a great idea–it’s too bad that 60-70% of them will have to be behind closed doors because the damning evidence is being classified as soon as he realises it’s dangerous, by the very person it’s damning.

But you’re right, I should have included that rather than simply telling Carmela to hurry up and wait.

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ericblair  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:41:26am

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

And to expand a bit, it means that Parliament can be reasonably confident that, one way or another, it can now stop a no-deal Brexit crashout. That, in turn, means that there is virtually no reason for MP’s who hate PM May’s deal - but are worried enough about a no-deal scenario - to actually vote for May’s deal. The failure of May’s “it’s my deal or no deal” gambit is apparently complete.

Essentially, the British government (the executive) has failed, and so Parliament is taking over. And it’s not even that: the political parties have failed. For those who aren’t aware, Corbyn the Labour leader is a closet Brexiteer for old leftie doctrinaire reasons, and May supported Remain before the referendum. But Labour is supported mostly by Remainers and the Tories are supposedly the Brexit party. So, you have the leader of the Tories and the PM supporting Brexit and not really believing any of it, and the leader of Labour supporting Remain and not believing any of it. However, what May does believe in is getting rid of foreigners and keeping her post, so Brexit it is.

So the Remain versus Brexit fault line is within the parties, not between them. Each of the parties has a big Remain contingent fighting with their leadership for control. A new election isn’t going to reverse Brexit because Corbyn doesn’t want it reversed. A no-deal Brexit will be a disaster, but is currently what will happen by default.

So this is the way out. For the last couple of centuries, the Government (the PM and ministers) has had the power to set the Parliament’s agenda, and now in a cute bit of irony Parliament is Taking Back Control. And if this fucks up the Government’s powers, it’s only because the Government has completely fucked up its responsibilities.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:01:54am

re: #86 ericblair

Pretty much sums it up. The current government of PM May has so badly fucked things up - and the leadership of the Labour opposition is so utterly useless and ineffectual - that it is now essential for Parliament to take control in order to prevent the country from sliding into chaos.

And if I were a British MP, that’s pretty much exactly what I’d go on the BBC to explain.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:04:03am

Ocasio-Cortez calls out CBS News for not assigning a ‘single black journalist to cover the 2020 election’ (The Hill)

The line from this exchange between Ocasio-Cortez and CBS which stands out is this to me:

But Ocasio-Cortez responded to Kraushaar’s reasoning in another tweet in which she also contended that “one race isn’t substitutable for another.”

“It doesn’t work like that. It’s not about ‘quotas.’ It’s about understanding the country you’re living in,” the New York Democrat added.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:12:39am

The U.S. Government Has Amassed Terabytes of Internal WikiLeaks Data (Gizmondo)

Late last year, the U.S. government accidentally revealed that a sealed complaint had been filed against Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks. Shortly before this was made public, the FBI reconfirmed its investigation of WikiLeaks was ongoing, and the Wall Street Journal reported that the Department of Justice was optimistic that it would be able to extradite Assange. Soon after, portions of sealed transcripts leaked that implicate WikiLeaks and Assange in directing hackers to target governments and corporations. The charges against Assange have not been officially revealed, though it’s plausible that the offenses are related to Russian hacking and the DNC emails.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:28:23am

Okeydokey - time for a little Netflix binge-watching. In this case, Alias Grace.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:31:11am

White House Sought Options to Strike Iran (Wall Street Journal, behind paywall).

After a militant rocket launch into an empty lot in Iraq, John Bolton and the Trump Administration searched for three methods to attack Iran.

People at both the State Department and the Department of Defense were “shocked” at the cavalier way in which Bolton’s request was presented for war with Iran.

The WSJ notes it is unclear whether Trump knew about this or not.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:41:58am

LOL

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:45:52am

I may be partial, but I’d bet on Arnold. Cernovich is all talk.

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Ming5000  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:48:01am

Watched Gary Clark Jr.’s official music video for “This Land” that Charles recommended in the last thread.
Wonderful.
The next time I am driving through Trump Country I will be singing, “Fuck you. I am America’s Son. This land is mine.”
Spoiler Alert and question about the video:

Was there a trod upon snake shown after the bonfire near the end of the video? I could not quit make out what was shown.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:56:57am

Hawai’i Free Press, January 5, 2018 (more at the link):

Tulsi Gabbard Hires Russian Agent to Keep Hawaii Media in Check

by Andrew Walden

Russia has lots of experience in media censorship. So perhaps it is logical that Rep Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI-2) hires an agent of the Russian government as a ‘consultant’ to keep Hawaii media under control.

But Gabbard’s consultant, Chris Cooper of the Potomac Square Group, is no ordinary Russian agent. Cooper is allegedly one of seven identified as being at the center of illegal Russian lobbying efforts reaching into the Trump campaign and Congress.

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Ming5000  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:00:38am

re: #19 piratedan

Maybe Matt should find a new profession because apparently not twigging to the largest political scandal in the history of our nation to be able to tut-tut Rachel fucking Maddow over the fact that apparently not just the Trump Administration but apparently the entire GOP Party Hierarchy and quite possibly a good many of our national print media and television news program directors are implicated in supporting a fascist, Racist, Illegal and Idiotic regime seems to be something of a disqualifier for me to ever take him seriously again.

Epic rant. Thank you for voicing my inner rage.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:09:05am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

It’s honestly terrifying. I think conservatism thrives when we take progress for granted. Certainly enough people did in 2016.

yes, we really came to take the gains we made in personal freedoms, reproductive rights and minority rights for granted when we came to elect a government of people dedicated to dismantling most of those rights.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:09:08am

Okay the more I learn about Gabbard the more I want her primaried.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:10:49am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

It’s hard to say. I’d say they’re definitely left economics wise but more than not right on social issues.

there is a word for people who are nationalist in their views but socialist in their economics…I think there was even a word and an abbreviation for that at one point…

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:14:21am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

there is a word for people who are nationalist in their views but socialist in their economics…I think there was even a word and an abbreviation for that at one point…

Yeah, and I think I remember that some Charlie Chaplin fan was in charge of it all.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:16:03am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

there is a word for people who are nationalist in their views but socialist in their economics…I think there was even a word and an abbreviation for that at one point…

If you’re talking about the Nazis. They weren’t actually socialists. Industry wasn’t nationalized under the Nazis. The Krupps and IG Farben remained privately owned. Yes they used socialist rhetoric at times but that’s because they were politicians. Now that said, there was a minority within the NSDAP that took socialist somewhat serious but they were purged early.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:16:45am

re: #100 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, and I think I remember that some Charlie Chaplin fan was in charge of it all.

Think he called himself the Fool your.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:18:13am

re: #72 Single-handed sailor

Year of the Cat came out at a time represented by people like Toto, Mike Oldfield and Alan Parsons, the absolute apex of studio rock.

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harlequinade  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:18:50am

re: #86 ericblair

THIS!
As a Brit in Europe - living in one country and working in another - Brexit is ridiculous.
Parliament looks like it’s going to reject the May plan. To then have the government throw its toys out the pram and say, “Well, you brought this on yourselves,” is tantamount to…well, shutting down the government over a border wall

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:19:59am

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

And to expand a bit, it means that Parliament can be reasonably confident that, one way or another, it can now stop a no-deal Brexit crashout.

the only viable alternative would still leave them subject to most EU rules and regulations on immigration but without in a voice in shaping them.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:23:50am

re: #105 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the only viable alternative would still leave them subject to most EU rules and regulations on immigration but without in a voice in shaping them.

The only logical solution is to revoke Article 50 and cancel Brexit.

And that would be political suicide.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:24:28am

re: #100 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, and I think I remember that some Charlie Chaplin fan was in charge of it all.

Rufus T. Firefly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:25:11am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Okay the more I learn about Gabbard the more I want her primaried.

There are people who want her in the primary to they can call out her opponents for being anti-women and anti-Hindu or whatever.

Ratfucking all over again

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:25:33am

As bad as we are in a rut now, I think the Brits are in an even bigger one. We have Pelosi and the British opposition has Corbyn who is a wackjob.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:26:19am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

If you’re talking about the Nazis. They weren’t actually socialists. Industry wasn’t nationalized under the Nazis. The Krupps and IG Farben remained privately owned. Yes they used socialist rhetoric at times but that’s because they were politicians. Now that said, there was a minority within the NSDAP that took socialist somewhat serious but they were purged early.

Yes, they sold their product to the masses using socialist rhetoric.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:27:15am

re: #106 Dr Lizardo

The only logical solution is to revoke Article 50 and cancel Brexit.

And that would be political suicide.

Just like the only way to end the shutdown would be for the GOP to tell Trump he cannot have his Wall. Also political suicide.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:27:36am

re: #108 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are people who want her in the primary to they can call out her opponents for being anti-women and anti-Hindu or whatever.

Ratfucking all over again

I’ve missed the Anti Hindu law legislations and talks of banning people from India as well as insensitivity to women’s issues I suppose. Gabbard is a fake. I trust her even less than Bernie.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:28:42am

re: #108 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are people who want her in the primary to they can call out her opponents for being anti-women and anti-Hindu or whatever.

Ratfucking all over again

I think Happy Warrior meant primaried in Hawai’i for her House seat.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:30:28am

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, they sold their product to the masses using socialist rhetoric.

Some of the time, yes. If it was all the time, they never would have gotten anywhere. But socialists they were not. I will concede they definitely weren’t the vision of Lassiez-Faire capitalism but I’ll remsin you that Trump even used that kind of rhetoric too.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:31:04am

re: #108 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are people who want her in the primary to they can call out her opponents for being anti-women and anti-Hindu or whatever.

Ratfucking all over again

I don’t think you could get away with calling Elizabeth Warren, Amy Klobuchar, Kirsten Gillibrand, or Kamala Harris “anti-woman.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:31:49am

re: #113 Anymouse ??

I think Happy Warrior meant primaried in Hawai’i for her House seat.

I did. She’s obviously not going unchallenged for the presidency. Good news though is her dirty laundry gets aired as it has so far. A primary opponent won’t have a hard time beating her.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:36:26am

re: #115 Anymouse ??

I don’t think you could get away with calling Elizabeth Warren, Amy Klobuchar, Kirsten Gillibrand, or Kamala Harris “anti-woman.”

Well he is talking about ratfucking but that said, it’s not like her Dem primary opponents are going to be anti women as you get at. The anti Hindu is pretty useless too since she’s not the only Hindu member of the Dem caucus and I’m sure based on what I know about them that they won’t be her supporters.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:38:46am

Gabbard is going to be a non factor. Her past rhetoric towards lgbt people and activists isn’t going to end well for her. Nor should it.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:39:32am

Good morning and happy No Collusion!!! Sunday people.

I know it is too much to hope for a sane one but I wish y’all a sane one.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:40:43am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Gabbard is going to be a non factor. Her past rhetoric towards lgbt people and activists isn’t going to end well for her. Nor should it.

Agreed, she won’t poll large enough to make it to the grown up table of the debates if it comes to that.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:41:31am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Gabbard is going to be a non factor. Her past rhetoric towards lgbt people and activists isn’t going to end well for her. Nor should it.

Her hiring a person suspected in the Trump Tower investigation to squelch the Hawai’i media probably isn’t helpful either.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:42:44am

re: #120 bd(it’s all true)

Agreed, she won’t poll large enough to make it to the grown up table of the debates if it comes to that.

Yeah. I do hope Castro starts polling better because I think he has a lot to offer in terms of experience.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:43:58am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Gabbard is going to be a non factor. Her past rhetoric towards lgbt people and activists isn’t going to end well for her. Nor should it.

I can see someone coming around and saying “I was wrong to hold these positions, and these current actions I’ve taken are proof of that.”

Gabbard hasn’t done that. Her rhetoric of the past doesn’t change the fact her father still runs his anti-LBGT organisation which she hasn’t denounced (aside from all her other positions).

When vetting primary candidates, it’s nice when they self-immolate within twenty-four hours. Saves money and time.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:44:14am

re: #121 Anymouse ??

Her hiring a person suspected in the Trump Tower investigation to squelch the Hawai’i media probably isn’t helpful either.

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Right. So much wrong with her. I fear she’s just going to use the fact that she supported Bernie to the bitter end as a way of gaining good will and getting people to ignore that among other things.

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jeffreyw  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:44:42am

Imgur


Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:45:48am

re: #123 Anymouse ??

I can see someone coming around and saying “I was wrong to hold these positions, and these current actions I’ve taken are proof of that.”

Gabbard hasn’t done that. Her rhetoric of the past doesn’t change the fact her father still runs his anti-LBGT organisation which she hasn’t denounced (aside from all her other positions).

When vetting primary candidates, it’s nice when they self-immolate within twenty-four hours. Saves money and time.

Exactly. She hasn’t. It’s not merely the position she took though I’d argue, it’s the condescending way she described lgbt people.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:48:55am

If the lefter than thou is going to hate Obama and Clinton for playing it safe on gay marriage, they need to hit Tulsi for disparaging gay marriage activists. But I know many won’t because they are so blinded by using 2016 as their sole measuring stick.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:49:12am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Right. So much wrong with her. I fear she’s just going to use the fact that she supported Bernie to the bitter end as a way of gaining good will and getting people to ignore that among other things.

Good luck with that. She also went to meet Trump during his campaign at Trump Tower.

Americans blame Trump and GOP much more than Democrats for shutdown, Post-ABC poll finds (Washington Post, more at the link):

By a wide margin, more Americans blame President Trump and Republicans in Congress than congressional Democrats for the now record-breaking government shutdown, and most reject the president’s assertion that there is an illegal-immigration crisis on the southern border, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:52:52am

re: #128 Anymouse ??

Good luck with that. She also went to meet Trump during his campaign at Trump Tower.

Americans blame Trump and GOP much more than Democrats for shutdown, Post-ABC poll finds (Washington Post, more at the link):

Yeah she tried to get a job with Trump I believe. She’s taken some progressive domestic stances but she’s taken a lot of wtf. It’s too bad because before I knew too much about her three years ago, on paper she seemed like a compelling up and comer. I think she’s going to be toast tho.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:53:37am

Conservative S.E. Cupp Tells Trump To Give Up: ‘This Is What Losing Looks Like’ (Huffington Post)

The ever-liberal CNN.

CNN’s S.E. Cupp unleashed a scathing rebuke of the president in her Saturday night monologue, advising him to accept that he’s not going to win his battle for border wall money.

“This is what losing looks like. Mr. President,” she said. “You’ve lost this one. You’re not getting your $5.7 billion border wall ― not from Mexico, not from Congress, and I’m willing to wager not from taxpayers, either.”

Trump’s inability to strike a deal with Democrats for the money, Cupp argued, was his focus on “too much tweeting, too much rallying, not enough governing.”

“It’s a shame, too, because when you had the opportunity, the public support, Republicans in control of Congress, Democrats against the proverbial wall, you couldn’t get it done,” she added.

(more)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:59:56am

re: #130 Anymouse ??

Conservative S.E. Cupp Tells Trump To Give Up: ‘This Is What Losing Looks Like’ (Huffington Post)

The ever-liberal CNN.

(more)

I don’t like her but she’s not wrong that he spends way too much time campaigning, tweeting, instead of governing which isn’t totally bad I guess but is bad in the sense we need him to function on the at least basic level.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:01:36am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

I don’t like her but she’s not wrong that he spends way too much time campaigning, tweeting, instead of governing which isn’t totally bad I guess but is bad in the sense we need him to function on the at least basic level.

Agreed. And when Trump has lost Sippy Cupp, you know it’s over for him. /s

I doubt he knows who she even is.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:04:20am

re: #132 Anymouse ??

Agreed. And when Trump has lost Sippy Cupp, you know it’s over for him. /s

I doubt he knows who she even is.

Hahaha yeah I doubt he gives her any thought if any at all.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:04:32am

re: #130 Anymouse ??

Conservative S.E. Cupp Tells Trump To Give Up: ‘This Is What Losing Looks Like’ (Huffington Post)

The ever-liberal CNN.

(more)

S.E underestimates the bargaining leverage Trump got by calling Schumer “Cryin Chuck”.

My guess is Schumer is already hanging out at the WH gate ready to give away billions for the wall to make him stop.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:10:17am

re: #115 Anymouse ??

I don’t think you could get away with calling Elizabeth Warren, Amy Klobuchar, Kirsten Gillibrand, or Kamala Harris “anti-woman.”

No, but they will…

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:28:00am

re: #88 Anymouse ??

Ocasio-Cortez calls out CBS News for not assigning a ‘single black journalist to cover the 2020 election’ (The Hill)

The line from this exchange between Ocasio-Cortez and CBS which stands out is this to me:

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What Josh isn’t getting is that AOC’s media scold is of a legitimate reason (CBS’s inability to assign a PoC journalist for 2020). Trump media scolds so he can get away with lies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:30:33am

re: #136 Myron Falwell

Trump scolds the media when they do their job and do not just act as stenographers and cheerleaders. AOC scolds them for not doing their job properly

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:31:28am

re: #136 Myron Falwell

What Josh isn’t getting is that AOC’s media scold is of a legitimate reason (CBS’s inability to assign a PoC journalist for 2020). Trump media scolds so he can get away with lies.

And Trump is in the habit of delegitimization of media. AOC wasn’t doing that.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:31:46am

re: #72 Single-handed sailor

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Video

Wow. remember when the song was new. thanks for the trip now it’s back to writing.

peace

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:41:33am

re: #130 Anymouse ??

Conservative S.E. Cupp Tells Trump To Give Up: ‘This Is What Losing Looks Like’ (Huffington Post)

The ever-liberal CNN.

(more)

LOL when the first tier of conservative punditry starts to say this, then that will be news. No offense to SE but she’s at the fifth or sixth tier.

Most pundits likely assumed that Schumer would roll over after a few days of this. But now it’s obvious to everyone that he’s holding his own alongside Pelosi and they don’t know what to do.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:51:13am

re: #106 Dr Lizardo

The only logical solution is to revoke Article 50 and cancel Brexit.

And that would be political suicide.

The Brits had their chance to postpone everything and do an investigation into the whole vote, especially when those exposes on Cambridge Analytica came out. But May didn’t want any of that, she was so dead-set on an exit… and now it’s falling apart at the seams.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:52:26am

re: #17 plansbandc

Ladies and Gents: The best cartoon ever. Fight me. No not really. But it is the best cartoon ever.

dailymotion.com

Nope. This is. Michigan J. Frog can beat up your tiny elephant.
dailymotion.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:56:14am

re: #142 The Vicious Babushka

Nope. This is. Michigan J. Frog can beat up your tiny elephant.
dailymotion.com

I agree

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:56:21am

re: #69 Dave In Austin

Fun tune

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If you watch Adele’s first video, “Rolling in the deep”, you will notice that she is sitting the entire video. They did that to hide her shape.

Adele - Rolling in the Deep

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:04:15am

re: #108 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are people who want her in the primary to they can call out her opponents for being anti-women and anti-Hindu or whatever.

Ratfucking all over again

Which might work if the Democratic primary were to only contain one woman. We already have three.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:11:37am
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makeitstop  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:12:26am

re: #70 Dr Lizardo

And here’s the vid:

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Video

Oh, yeah; that’s a good one. I like it.

First I heard of Lizzo was her tune ‘Batches & Cookies.’ I got seriously hooked on it for a minute.

Lizzo feat. Sophia Eris - Batches & Cookies

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:12:54am

A whole lotta sanctions goin’ down!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:17:47am

Oops.

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Jay C  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:24:17am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A whole lotta sanctions goin’ down!

So maybe Trump’s “Sanctions Are Coming” poster was prescient, after all?

Though just not the sanctions he expected….

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:27:23am
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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:30:22am

re: #149 Myron Falwell

Oops.

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Support for the wall has increased because support among Republicans has jumped to 70%.

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makeitstop  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:43:30am

My question is this - now that it’s a certainty that Russia’s been fucking with us for years, just when do we get to start fucking with them?

A little (or a lot) of revenge taken out on Putin and his boys would feel pretty good right now.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:49:31am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:51:15am

re: #153 makeitstop

My question is this - now that it’s a certainty that Russia’s been fucking with us for years, just when do we get to start fucking with them?

A little (or a lot) of revenge taken out on Putin and his boys would feel pretty good right now.

That would involve us being in a position to do so. We are currently not in one.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:51:30am
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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:52:50am

re: #156 The Vicious Babushka

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retired cynic  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:56:15am

from last thread, because I quit early last night:

re: #512 FormerDirtDart ????

25th anyone?
(from the propaganda/morale boost appearance with Pirro on FOX this evening)

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I wonder if he is so self-centered that he just meant he had not left to go golfing for several months. ????

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:57:53am

re: #158 retired cynic

I think so; just his way of whining about not enough vacation time.

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gwangung  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:59:57am

re: #136 Myron Falwell

What Josh isn’t getting is that AOC’s media scold is of a legitimate reason (CBS’s inability to assign a PoC journalist for 2020). Trump media scolds so he can get away with lies.

This isn’t an accurate read; there ARE some POC folks here.

But there IS a huge hole in that there isn’t a black journalist assigned; and we’ve seen signs already that this lack can affect coverage.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:07:20am

It might get their attention, but they have no moves to correct it.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:12:18am

These compromised fools are going to knee-jerk themselves into prison.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:15:55am

re: #161 jaunte

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It might get their attention, but they have no moves to correct it.

I am growing pessimistic and just assuming we will soon hear of some major incident which is linked with murder, rape, terror, gangs and/or drugs and can be framed as the direct result of lax border security.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:18:20am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That propaganda is being played almost nonstop on Fox:

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:20:05am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:40:20am

re: #161 jaunte

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It might get their attention, but they have no moves to correct it.

The only move he has now to save that part of his base is to back down and concede the wall… but that will lose everyone else in his corner.

He’s slowly going from being merely underwater in the polls to being at Davy Jones’ locker.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:42:22am

re: #166 Myron Falwell

The only move he has now to save that part of his base is to back down and concede the wall… but that will lose everyone else in his corner.

He’s slowly going from being merely underwater in the polls to being at Davy Jones’ locker.

At some point Mitch has to back down and realize that he already cost them the House and could cost them the Senate in 2020

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:44:27am

OK, so just got done binge-watching Alias Grace and holy shit it was brilliant.

If you haven’t seen it (it’s on Netflix) do yourself a favor and watch it. An absolute masterclass.

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KGxvi  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:45:09am

re: #166 Myron Falwell

The only move he has now to save that part of his base is to back down and concede the wall… but that will lose everyone else in his corner.

He’s slowly going from being merely underwater in the polls to being at Davy Jones’ locker.

Which, really, is the ultimate outcome of any long term play only to the base strategy. It can save you in spots, but as a long term strategy you lose everyone else. The shut down is ultimately the result of Trump being the weakest president in living memory and his failure to recognize that he is so incredibly weak

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:47:10am

re: #165 jaunte

Proving yet again, that he is anything but a leader. Come to me is not leadership.

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TedStriker  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:47:38am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Year of the Cat came out at a time represented by people like Toto, Mike Oldfield and Alan Parsons, the absolute apex of studio rock.

“Year of the Cat” is one of my all-time faves.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:48:37am

re: #169 KGxvi

Which, really, is the ultimate outcome of any long term play only to the base strategy. It can save you in spots, but as a long term strategy you lose everyone else. The shut down is ultimately the result of Trump being the weakest president in living memory and his failure to recognize that he is so incredibly weak

That base is not growing, the strategy worked because they could count on these people getting out to vote. Between voter suppression through purges, voter ID laws and spreading general apathy and indifference (the best form of voter suppression), they managed to gather up enough votes to guarantee an electoral majority.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:53:07am

re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

At some point Mitch has to back down and realize that he already cost them the House and could cost them the Senate in 2020

That would assume that Mitch is willing to admit total defeat and allow for a veto-proof CR vote without the wall. After all this, that would be outright humiliating for someone who’s gotten his way over and over again (outside of McCain screwing him over in real time by voting no on Obamacare repeal) since becoming majority leader.

Mitch here is as screwed as Trump is. He played himself by stonewalling and now has no leverage whatsoever.

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KGxvi  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:58:34am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That base is not growing, the strategy worked because they could count on these people getting out to vote. Between voter suppression through purges, voter ID laws and spreading general apathy and indifference (the best form of voter suppression), they managed to gather up enough votes to guarantee an electoral majority.

Right, but what I’m saying is that “play to and hold the base” is more of a “break glass in case of emergency” strategy than an actual governing strategy. It’s why Trump’s approval rating has hovered around 40% through his entire presidency. He has no strategy or policy that could even get him to 50%. Keep in mind, in a two person race, the floor for a presidential nominee is right around 40% in a general election (Goldwater, McGovern, Mondale were all right around there). He’s got nothing but a base play and it’s actually killing his presidency

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:01:56am

I went out for breakfast this morning with a group of friends and one of them tried to convince me that in order to win in 2020, Democrats need to shift to the right a fair bit because “no one wants to vote for that socialism crap.”

We talked for nearly 20 minutes and I couldn’t make a dent. This is why I don’t hang out with this guy much anymore (someone else invited him this morning).

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:04:05am

re: #170 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Proving yet again, that he is anything but a leader. Come to me is not leadership.

It’s all Trump has left. The legacy image of his celebrity status. He’s never shown anything remotely close to leadership qualities.

He at least had in 2016 and 2017 his chaotic lifestyle as a fallback, using side events and his Twitter feed so as to divert the obvious truth that he couldn’t lead and can never be a leader. But that well wasn’t infinite, it was going to slowly run dry, and now it has.

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Jay C  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:06:59am

re: #173 Myron Falwell

Mitch here is as screwed as Trump is. He played himself by stonewalling and now has no leverage whatsoever.

I don’t think so: he still has the Senate Republicans (AFAICT) firmly holding together under his control: plus two years of a decently-large Majority. Of course, Senate GOPers might always get nervous and bolt - if pressure from home gets too intense - but given that most Republicans Senators are from solidly red states, and are more afraid of the Trump-humping “base” than doing right by the country as a whole, how likely is that? The Senate is still going to be the main barrier to any solution to the current shutdown; and Mitch McConnell is still holding the controls to that barrier. And it’s still locked in the “down” position for now.

Oh, and I’m not sure the esteemed Majority Leader really gives a crap about 2020: unless he decides to retire, he is quite likely to get reelected that year: and two more years in the Majority is quite enough time to do considerable damage to the nation….

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makeitstop  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:07:15am

re: #171 TedStriker

“Year of the Cat” is one of my all-time faves.

This song from that album is a truly epic tune.

Al Stewart - Roads To Moscow

They don’t write songs like that any more, sadly.

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gwangung  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:08:29am

re: #175 Eclectic Cyborg

I went out for breakfast this morning with a group of friends and one of them tried to convince me that in order to win in 2020, Democrats need to shift to the right a fair bit because “no one wants to vote for that socialism crap.”

We talked for nearly 20 minutes and I couldn’t make a dent. This is why I don’t hang out with this guy much anymore (someone else invited him this morning).

We had eight years of Obama trying to be center right and Clinton campaigned on staying that course. And the country went for Trump big. This election past, the House consciously rejected that.

Against stupidity, the gods themselves strive in vain…

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makeitstop  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:09:29am

re: #178 makeitstop

This song from that album is a truly epic tune.

They don’t write songs like that any more, sadly.

Oops, that song was not on ‘Year of the Cat,’ it was on ‘Past, Present and Future.’ Still a great song.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:09:45am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That base is not growing, the strategy worked because they could count on these people getting out to vote. Between voter suppression through purges, voter ID laws and spreading general apathy and indifference (the best form of voter suppression), they managed to gather up enough votes to guarantee an electoral majority.

Vote suppression and blatant gerrymandering (and in the case of NC-9, outright fraud) can only go so far. Not every state is like Ohio, and thank god for that.

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A Cranky One  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:09:52am

re: #178 makeitstop

This song from that album is a truly epic tune.

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They don’t write songs like that any more, sadly.

Agreed. Great tune.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:15:27am

moron is nutz

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:16:25am

re: #177 Jay C

I don’t think so: he still has the Senate Republicans (AFAICT) firmly holding together under his control: plus two years of a decently-large Majority. Of course, Senate GOPers might always get nervous and bolt - if pressure from home gets too intense - but given that most Republicans Senators are from solidly red states, and are more afraid of the Trump-humping “base” than doing right by the country as a whole, how likely is that? The Senate is still going to be the main barrier to any solution to the current shutdown; and Mitch McConnell is still holding the controls to that barrier. And it’s still locked in the “down” position for now.

Oh, and I’m not sure the esteemed Majority Leader really gives a crap about 2020: unless he decides to retire, he is quite likely to get reelected that year: and two more years in the Majority is quite enough time to do considerable damage to the nation….

They’re only holding together because he’s preventing them from voting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:18:38am

re: #178 makeitstop

This song from that album is a truly epic tune.

Roads to Moscow

They don’t write songs like that any more, sadly.

From a different album, but truly one of my faves along with

Notradamus

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:19:42am

re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

At some point Mitch has to back down and realize that he already cost them the House and could cost them the Senate in 2020

Mitch does not care. Come 2020, he knows that he’s already lost the Senate and the Republicans will lose even more House seats. They will also hemmorhage more state legislative seats.

Can we please get Steve Beshear or Amy McGrath to run against McConnell and take him out in 2020?

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makeitstop  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:19:56am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

From a different album, but truly one of my faves along with

Notradamus

Yeah, I realized that after I posted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:20:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:22:59am
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William Lewis  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:23:08am

re: #94 Ming5000

Watched Gary Clark Jr.’s official music video for “This Land” that Charles recommended in the last thread.
Wonderful.
The next time I am driving through Trump Country I will be singing, “Fuck you. I am America’s Son. This land is mine.”
Spoiler Alert and question about the video:

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:23:10am

re: #178 makeitstop

This song from that album is a truly epic tune.

[Embedded content]

They don’t write songs like that any more, sadly.

Dad loved his song about Warren Harding

Al Stewart - Warren Harding

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William Lewis  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:26:30am

re: #142 The Vicious Babushka

Nope. This is. Michigan J. Frog can beat up your tiny elephant.
dailymotion.com

Close, but not quite.

“What’s Opera, Doc?”

dailymotion.com

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:26:41am

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:27:28am

wonder what’s up with Rand going to Canada for socialist surgery…

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:28:41am

re: #184 Belafon

They’re only holding together because he’s preventing them from voting.

Yup. Last thing they want to do is commit mutiny and sabotage Mitch’s stonewalling. At least for right now. To be honest, when Lindsay is begging for Trump to go the extraconstitutional way of an “emergency declaration,” it screams to me that they want out, but don’t want to be the ones to blink first.

The GOP majority is in a bad spot. End this and face the wrath of the red-meat voters, or keep going on with this shutdown and watch in slow motion as the most vulnerable senators in 2020 see their polls hemorrhage. Mitch has got nothing to worry about with his re-election in 2020, but Joni Ernst, Susan Collins, Martha McSallay and Cory Gardner would probably beg to differ (just to name a few).

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:28:54am

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dr. Matt  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:29:05am

Just a reminder:

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:29:30am

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:32:45am

re: #198 jaunte

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The Democrats need to turn that into an ad: “When you hear the Republicans talk about the US having the greatest healthcare in the world, remember that Rand Paul went to Canada for his surgery.”

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:33:00am
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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:33:32am

re: #199 Belafon

It’s OK If A Rich Does It

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:33:43am

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is nutz

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“I want to fucking wall off Mexico from my country but Hispanics love me!”

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:33:51am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:34:52am

Matt Drudge is a gay man that supports and defends a party where a sizable amount of their voters believe he should be put to death for his lifestyle.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:36:18am

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I wanted to release them, I did. But the Lawyers said no and some of my advisers said no. They were like ‘Mr. President that’s a bad idea’ so I said: Okay”

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:37:17am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:38:23am

re: #206 Joe Bacon ??

LOL he can’t help but keep incriminating himself

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geosherman  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:39:28am

re: #178 makeitstop

I played the grooves off the Year of the Cat Album. Roads to Moscow was on Pat Present and Future. My fav version is on the Indian Summer Live album.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:40:48am

re: #203 jaunte

The legacy of Citizens United.

And I agree with Charles Pierce, the NRA is going to go down in a ball of flames.

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:45:04am

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

President Donald Trump on Saturday said he would be willing to release the details of his private conversation with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki last summer.

“I would. I don’t care,” Trump told Fox News host Jeanine Pirro in a phone interview, adding: “I’m not keeping anything under wraps. I couldn’t care less.”

I would interview with Mueller, what have I got to hide.

I would take responsibility for the shutdown Chuck.

I would release my tax forms but they are under audit.

I would step down from running my businesses.

I would…but I won’t.

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sagehen  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:52:50am

re: #175 Eclectic Cyborg

I went out for breakfast this morning with a group of friends and one of them tried to convince me that in order to win in 2020, Democrats need to shift to the right a fair bit because “no one wants to vote for that socialism crap.”

We talked for nearly 20 minutes and I couldn’t make a dent. This is why I don’t hang out with this guy much anymore (someone else invited him this morning).

Right-wing media has so redefined “socialism” over the years that people who call themselves “conservative” would be unrecognizable to previous generations of Republicans.

Policies that Nixon and Reagan and Bush I supported enthusiastically, to hear Coulter and Hannity and Limbaugh talk that might as well be Mao Tse Tung’s platform.

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:53:29am

re: #200 jaunte

Donald Trump Jr. ?
@DonaldJTrumpJr
And of course no one says anything. I’m not even in government and I’d get killed in the press if I was on vacation right now. Why won’t they cover their democrat buddies lobbyist sponsored vacation in the islands???

Vacation in the islands.

Sounds so nice.

Would that be the islands that were trashed by violent storms and have yet to recover because your father hates Brown people and shirks his duties to help?

I bet some of that damage is still very visible. I bet the views are excellent!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:53:53am

it’s just silly, y’all…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:55:16am
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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:55:22am

re: #204 Dr. Matt

Matt Drudge is a gay man that supports and defends a party where a sizable amount of their voters believe he should be put to death for his lifestyle.

Matt is a usable tool for them. They probably would grant him freedom as long as he keeps doing what he does.

Seems to have worked for him so far.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:55:50am

re: #175 Eclectic Cyborg

I went out for breakfast this morning with a group of friends and one of them tried to convince me that in order to win in 2020, Democrats need to shift to the right a fair bit because “no one wants to vote for that socialism crap.”

We talked for nearly 20 minutes and I couldn’t make a dent. This is why I don’t hang out with this guy much anymore (someone else invited him this morning).

Personally, I like public roads, and education, and a military force, police, and fire departments that are all funded by the public.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:56:10am

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

Believer in the Rapture calls national security concerns silly because whatever happens he will be saved in the End.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:57:34am

Pompeo is dirty, too.

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plansbandc  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:57:49am

re: #70 Dr Lizardo

Love it!!

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Teukka  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:58:09am

re: #217 jaunte

Believer in the Rapture calls national security concerns silly because whatever happens he will be saved in the End.

Now, throw this wrench into it all: What happens when he and his ilk mistakenly believe that the End is nigh but really isn’t?

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plansbandc  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:59:07am

re: #72 Single-handed sailor

Such a gorgeous song.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:59:51am

wait, what?

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:00:55am

re: #69 Dave In Austin

Fun tune

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Thinking about it, the better comparison is actually Megan Trainor’s “All About That Bass.”

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:01:52am

re: #215 ObserverArt

Matt is a usable tool for them. They probably would grant him freedom as long as he keeps doing what he does.

Seems to have worked for him so far.

Until he goes on a spending spree like Milo did!

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:01:56am

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dr. Matt  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:02:21am

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

wait, what?

Linsey hates the Left more than he loves America. He knows that Donnie is disgusting, unfit, and a compromised Russian agent who is destroying the GOP and America. But, Linsey would rather defend Donnie than side with the Left who is opposing Donnie.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:02:29am

This 1990 comic in Heavy Metal also warned us about Trump and his wall!

archive.org

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makeitstop  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:04:21am

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s just silly, y’all…

[Embedded content]

Pompeo’s reaction reminds me a lot of Manafort’s response to whether Russia was involved in the Trump campaign. Just sayin’.

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plansbandc  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:05:56am

re: #142 The Vicious Babushka

Love “One Froggy Evening” also. Great cartoon.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:06:50am

re: #226 Dr. Matt

Linsey hates the Left more than he loves America. He knows that Donnie is disgusting, unfit, and a compromised Russian agent who is destroying the GOP and America. But, Linsey would rather defend Donnie than side with the Left who is opposing Donnie.

Putin is really yanking Li’l Lindsay’s chain!

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sagehen  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:07:27am

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s just silly, y’all…

Mike Pompeo says the idea that the president is a threat to national security is “silly on its face and not worthy of a response”

So that’s not a “no”.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:08:50am

re: #231 sagehen

Mike Pompeo says the idea that the emperor is naked is “silly on its face and not worthy of a response”

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:09:32am

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

wait, what?

That proves my thoughts that Linds (and other GOP senators/bootlickers) want out of this, but don’t want to be the ones to blink first…

re: #225 Belafon

…and with perfect timing, to boot. In theory.

What ought to really worry them is if Trump continues to drag his feet on this to the point where Cohen testifies, and it’s very possible that happens.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:10:11am

When there’s no evidence to help your case, claim the argument is silly on its face.

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Maynard Ampersand  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:10:28am
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Jay C  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:10:30am

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I LOVED this comment on that thread:

This is legitimately the first time I’ve heard the “The liberals murdered Jed Clampett” argument.

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plansbandc  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:12:06am

re: #192 William Lewis

Also great!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:12:12am
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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:13:01am

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:14:55am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:15:38am
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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:16:30am

Exhibit “A” as to why a wall won’t stop the flow of narcotics!

A former pharmaceutical chief executive pleaded guilty to playing a part in a sophisticated scheme to give kickbacks to doctors who prescribed his company’s fentanyl-based opioid drugs — a move one top lawyer said is one step toward the goal of cutting down the corrupt greed that’s “alive and well in the pharma business.”

Michael Babich, the former CEO at Insys Therapeutics, pleaded guilty in federal court in Boston on Wednesday for his role in a nationwide scheme to bribe physicians to prescribe the company’s oral-spray painkillers meant for cancer patients facing extreme pain.

bostonherald.com

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:18:07am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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makeitstop  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:19:10am
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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:19:40am

Polling on government shutdown released today by Washington Post/ABC News.

It is not getting better for Trump. It is getting worse.

Vox - New polls show Americans blame Trump and the GOP for the shutdown

Sub Heading: Just under a quarter of all Americans (24 percent) agree the situation at the border is as bad Trump makes it out to be.

According to a Washington Post-ABC News poll released Sunday, over half of Americans (53 percent) say the the president and his party should shoulder most of the blame for the closures; another 29 percent point their finger at Democrats in Congress. Just 13 percent of Americans say both sides should be held accountable as the shutdown continues to drag on.

And according to the recent poll, conducted via phone Jan. 8-11, most Americans reject the president’s reasoning for the shutdown. Less than a quarter of all Americans (24 percent) agree the situation at the border is as bad Trump makes it out to be. Nearly half of the public, or 47 percent, agree it’s a “serious problem,” but they stop short of labeling it as an outright crisis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:20:38am
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Jay C  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:23:19am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Seems to be the stock GOP talking point re Steve King: I saw House GOP Whip Steve Scalise (or an android that looks just like him- quite hard to tell) on George Stephanopolous’ show this morning, and he spouted/droned the same line: King’s remarks were unacceptable, blah blah, but Democrats tolerate antisemitism, so there….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:29:51am
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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:31:28am

I got this in my email today from John Ratcliffe:

Hi Friends,

As President Trump said in his address to our nation this week, there is only one reason our government remains shut down: the Democrats’ stubborn refusal to fund much-need border security.

In response to the President’s call for Democrats to stop playing politics with America’s safety, Nancy Pelosi declared that the crisis at our Southern Border is “manufactured.” But the facts speak otherwise:

2,000 inadmissible migrants arrive at the border every day

Our immigration courts have a backlog of over 800,000 cases

ICE has arrested 260,000 aliens with criminal records in the last two years, including aliens charged or convicted of 100,000 assaults, nearly 300,000 sex crimes and 4,000 violent killings

90 percent of heroin in our country is flowing across our Southern Border, causing the death of 300 Americans each week

DHS has seen an over 100-percent increase in fraudulent family units at the Southern border in the last two months - about nine per day

In 2006, 26 Senate Democrats - including then-Sen. Obama, Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer - all voted to allocate $50 billion over 25 years for 700 miles of fencing along the border. And in 2009, Chuck Schumer said, “Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress.”

But today, Democrats are committed to opposing President Trump at every turn, even if it means abandoning their obligation as lawmakers to ensure the security of our country.

As the border funding battles wage on, I’ve voted to ensure back pay for all our dedicated public servants who have unjustly been put out of work thanks to political games, and I have requested for my own pay to be withheld until the shutdown ends.

You can count on me to remain committed to ensuring our law enforcement professionals and border agents with the resources they’ve requested - including a physical barrier - so they can properly perform their mission to protect us from the criminal gangs, drug smugglers and human traffickers seeping into our country.

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William Lewis  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:32:41am

re: #220 Teukka

Now, throw this wrench into it all: What happens when he and his ilk mistakenly believe that the End is nigh but really isn’t?

That, historically, has been the biggest problem with apocalyptic strains in Christianity. Paul had it bad himself and probably died thinking it was only months away. We’re 2000 years later and the idiots still say we’re months away with all kinds of imaginary raptures and other non-biblical nonsense. Plain statements that “no one knows when” but god make no difference to these True Believers. More of us than some might think don’t get too worried about the mythology and would rather worry about the praxis of Christianity instead.

I hope that the Avengers : Endgame includes a few pokes at self righteous asshats “left behind” by Thanos’ finger snap.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:34:02am
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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:36:12am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

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At least when us Texans pull stupid stuff, it looks like something you would do for a frat/sorority initiation.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:36:18am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wichita Falls,
takes another swig from the Pringles can,
and gets back on the scooter.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:37:16am

Boxed wine makers now looking into canned wine concept.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:37:42am

re: #250 William Lewis

That, historically, has been the biggest problem with apocalyptic strains in Christianity. Paul had it bad himself and probably died thinking it was only months away. We’re 2000 years later and the idiots still say we’re months away with all kinds of imaginary raptures and other non-biblical nonsense. Plain statements that “no one knows when” but god make no difference to these True Believers. More of us than some might think don’t get too worried about the mythology and would rather worry about the praxis of Christianity instead.

I hope that the Avengers : Endgame includes a few pokes at self righteous asshats “left behind” by Thanos’ finger snap.

Let’s not forget that the very founder of Christianity (whether he intended it to be a religion separate or not) was himself an itinerant, apocalyptic preacher who believed that Judgement Day would occur within the lifetimes of his followers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:37:52am

re: #249 Belafon

In 2006, 26 Senate Democrats - including then-Sen. Obama, Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer - all voted to allocate $50 billion over 25 years for 700 miles of fencing along the border. And in 2009, Chuck Schumer said, “Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress.”

Building 700 miles of border fencing at key areas makes sense, building 2,000 miles of The Wall does not

This criticism is based on the assumption that the Democrats do not care about border security. They do, just not in the manner that Trump is trying to force them into funding.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:41:22am
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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:43:15am

Thread:

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William Lewis  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:43:44am

re: #255 Dr Lizardo

Let’s not forget that the very founder of Christianity (whether he intended it to be a religion separate or not) was himself an itinerant, apocalyptic preacher who believed that Judgement Day would occur within the lifetimes of his followers.

90% of Judaism that existed at that point probably was to a greater of lesser extent. The Book of Daniel for example is a precursor to the even more insane Revelations. As we look at the differing emphasis given by the Gospel compilers it’s hard to be sure how important each area was to the historical rabbi. I tend to look at it closer to the ideal of The DIdache instead myself: yeah, the stuffs there at the end but in the meantime it’s more important to be (as Bill & Ted put it) Excellent to one another.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:44:36am

re: #250 William Lewis

That, historically, has been the biggest problem with apocalyptic strains in Christianity. Paul had it bad himself and probably died thinking it was only months away. We’re 2000 years later and the idiots still say we’re months away with all kinds of imaginary raptures and other non-biblical nonsense. Plain statements that “no one knows when” but god make no difference to these True Believers. More of us than some might think don’t get too worried about the mythology and would rather worry about the praxis of Christianity instead.

I hope that the Avengers : Endgame includes a few pokes at self righteous asshats “left behind” by Thanos’ finger snap.

I have heard this end of the world CRAP since the Religious Right turned my family into pod people.

My aunt swore that the end of the world was coming in 1974.
1976—TV Preachers said the King of Spain was the Antichrist.
Then TV preachers said that the end of the world was coming in 1980 because Sadat was the Antichrist.
Then they said the end of the world was coming in 1981 because Greece joined the Common Market and became the tenth toe in the statue of Jeremiah
Then they said the end of the world was coming in 1985 and Jesus was going to rapture his flock before Russia launched nukes.
Then they said that George W Bush was the Antichrist when he proclaimed the New World Order.
Then they said Bill Clinton was the Antichrist and Hillary was his lesbian accomplice.
Then they said the end of the world was coming in 1995 when Newt shut down the government
Then they said that Al Gore was the Antichrist in 2000 because he was a worshipper of GAIA.
Then they said Armageddon was coming in a week after we went to war with Afghanistan.
Same thing said when we went to war with Iraq.
In 2008, they said Obama was the Antichrist and Michelle was his gay lover.
In 2016 they said Hillary was the Antichrist and she was a lesbian witch.

And yet brainwashed fools still swallow this bullshit.

This is why I truly detest religion. It’s all bullshit!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:47:00am

re: #260 Joe Bacon ??

Ah, I remember reading Hal Lindsey’s The Late, Great Planet Earth back in the early 80’s. Woowoo of the highest order, to say the least and like so many doomsday preachers, Hal was waaaay off.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:47:34am

re: #260 Joe Bacon ??

This is why I truly detest religion. It’s all bullshit!

It is like any other human endeavor: 90% bullshit

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:48:05am

Some areas of Greater Cincinnati got up to 8+ inches of snow.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:48:17am

re: #261 Dr Lizardo

Ah, I remember reading Hal Lindsey’s The Late, Great Planet Earth back in the early 80’s. Woowoo of the highest order, to say the least and like so many doomsday preachers, Hal was waaaay off.

The same Hal Lindsey who gave classified briefings to the Joint Chiefs of Staff when Reagan was in the Oval Office…

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:53:04am

re: #257 FormerDirtDart ????

Edgars is a write at “The Bulwark” (
), which I haven’t heard of, but the tweets in that timeline are interesting. If you’ve paid attention to how I mention Republicans with viewpoints I agree with, I’m OK with those opinions, think those people would be good to have siding with us against Trump and their supporters, but am not going to hold them up as any model of good governance. I think these people would fit into that.

Edit: I just wanted to include a link, not have the whole thing resolve into the timeline.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:54:07am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:55:11am

I had a crush on a Baptist girl in the 8th grade who gave me a copy of a truly awful novel about the Rapture; “666” by Salem Kirban,

It is to Biblical exegesis what Pel Torros “Galaxy 666” is to pulp science fiction

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:56:18am

re: #266 Charles Johnson

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It’s been a wingnut defense mechanism for years: Get called on racist/bigoted/hateful language, immediately whine about “language” and rely upon the media to go “Yeah, being a white supremacist is no different than saying a naughty word!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:56:42am

re: #265 Belafon

Edgars is a write at “The Bulwark” oday the party finds itself in the position of someone who has eaten some very bad fish. Sometimes, the only real option involves purging. It won’t be pretty, but let’s get on with it.”

Fascism is more than a bit of dodgy mackerel

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 10:56:50am

Having said that, I will say I agree with Kim Wehle’s statement on Trump declaring a national emergency:

Unable to strong-arm Democrats into a $5.7 billion appropriation of his choosing, the president has threatened to leapfrog over Congress by declaring a national emergency to build the “wall” he promised his voter base.

For the umpteenth time during his presidency, the question arises: Can he legally do that?

For the umpteenth time, the answer is: It’s the wrong question. The right question is, if Trump declares a national emergency over the alleged “crisis” at the border, will there be any adverse consequences? Without enforcement, the Constitution and related laws are not worth the parchment they were written on.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:00:43am
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:00:45am

re: #258 jaunte

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Telling that he didn’t understand the basic motivations of his clients.

“The idea of building in Moscow came to Trump after he saw the rising number of wealthy Russians buying apartments in his high-priced New York developments,

The reason they were purchasing high priced real estate in New York and London is that they were stealing wealth from Russia and parking it outside Moscow’s reach. Trump, being a egomaniacal fucking idiot, completely misapprehended what was driving them and thought the oligarchs just loved his condos because his condos had to be “the best” and that these wealthy Russians would jump at the chance to buy into Trump Tower Moscow. Instead he got strung along, compromised and eventually (wittingly or unwittingly) turned into a Russian intelligence asset. It probably started out unwittingly, but he’s such a venal creep that eventually the Russians must have developed an entire treasure trove of kompromat.

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sagehen  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:01:38am

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is like any other human endeavor: 90% bullshit

Sturgeon’s Law.

hi-brow literati asked Theodore Sturgeon why he wasted his time on science fiction, since 90% of it is crap.

He responds, of course it is. 90% of everything is crap.

sfcenter.ku.edu

Of course what became known as Sturgeon’s Law was then only a sentence in a talk that Ted gave to the entire convention; total membership was only 750, and there was no need for separate programming. The general thrust of Ted’s remarks was that science fiction was the only genre that was evaluated by its worst examples rather than its best.

“When people talk about the mystery novel,” Ted said, as I remember, “they mention The Maltese Falcon and The Big Sleep. When they talk about the western, they say there’s The Way West and Shane. But when they talk about science fiction, they call it ‘that Buck Rogers stuff,’ and they say ‘ninety percent of science fiction is crud.’

“Well, they’re right. Ninety percent of science fiction is crud. But then ninety percent of everything is crud, and it’s the ten percent that isn’t crud that is important. And the ten percent of science fiction that isn’t crud is as good as or better than anything being written anywhere.”

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:01:46am

re: #270 Belafon

Having said that, I will say I agree with Kim Wehle’s statement on Trump declaring a national emergency:

They ask “Is it legal?” because they want to put all their faith in the experts who say “No” because then it seems like a “safe” way to end the impasse. Just let him declare an “emergency,” have it smacked down in the courts, and everybody can move on with “business as usual.”

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:02:26am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We skipped the latest snow, which is hitting south of here. Good.

It’s just cold… and that’s not a bad thing, unless you’re a federal worker who didn’t get paid and has heating bills that are coming due.

The Trump/McConnell shutdown continues with no resolution in sight because they don’t have a strategy and don’t have a plan - unless they think that Democrats will somehow cave because they show compassion to those workers and all those who are being harmed by the shutdown (because the shutdown causes $1 billion in economic damages per day).

Every poll should include a level-set question: Did you hear Trump say he’d take credit for the shutdown? Y/N. Then you’d be able to cross-tab every other question to see just how misinformed those who are still supporting Trump and GOP are in all this.

Trump owns it as does McConnell, who’s running interference for him by refusing to bring votes to the floor that would force Trump to veto those bills. The GOP didn’t have a problem voting on bills repealing Obamacare dozens of times knowing Obama would never sign them, so this is just right wing malfeasance at this point with the intent to sabotage functioning government.

The border isn’t in crisis but for the separation of children from their parents by Trump and the Trump DHS. That’s the crisis. Not the crossings, which are at multidecade lows. Not the overstay visas, which aren’t affected by a wall. Not the delay in getting asylum cases heard by judges. None of those are resolved by a wall. Properly funding the courts to get cases heard faster and visas processed faster would resolve the number of undocumented persons.

But that’s not what Trump wants. He’s value signaling to his bigot brigade base.

That same base is also ignoring the overwhelming stench of Trump-Russia complicity, as more evidence is revealed daily.

As a companion to Trump-Russia, we have the ongoing chaos in the UK with Brexit, and the fact that they don’t have an actual plan to leave - and the proponents are now left with threatening that doing nothing would be worse than having a plan to leave (which is still far worse than staying in the EU).

All of this leads back to Russian fingerprints. The Russians sowed chaos, and they benefit from all this in the US, UK, and EU. Having a bunch of nincompoops in the WH and 10 Downing inures benefit to Russia, China, and rivals to the US, EU, NATO, and the entire security and foreign policy structure that the US has maintained for the past 70+ years. Russia has seen an opportunity to upend it all, and they’ve got a complicit group in the US and UK more than willing to help.

In the US, it is a GOP more interested in power for their party, than the national security and national good, while in the UK, it’s a sham referendum built on lies that led to where we are now with leaders defending that sham and the lies that got them there.

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makeitstop  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:04:03am

re: #258 jaunte

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Unreal. He’s one of them, and has been for a long time.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:04:50am

re: #274 Targetpractice

They ask “Is it legal?” because they want to put all their faith in the experts who say “No” because then it seems like a “safe” way to end the impasse. Just let him declare an “emergency,” have it smacked down in the courts, and everybody can move on with “business as usual.”

It’s like voting for Republicans but hoping Democrats will be able to stop them.

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:05:23am

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Some areas of Greater Cincinnati got up to 8+ inches of snow.

We ended up getting about 5 inches in Columbus. Wet and sloppy this morning.

Now we deal with the melting and refreezing.

Yuck.

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sagehen  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:07:10am

re: #265 Belafon

Edgars is a write at “The Bulwark” ([Embedded content]

), which I haven’t heard of, but the tweets in that timeline are interesting. If you’ve paid attention to how I mention Republicans with viewpoints I agree with, I’m OK with those opinions, think those people would be good to have siding with us against Trump and their supporters, but am not going to hold them up as any model of good governance. I think these people would fit into that.

Edit: I just wanted to include a link, not have the whole thing resolve into the timeline.

The Bulwark is a new conservative magazine/website/whatevs founded by never-trumpers (and Weekly Standard refugees)

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:20:26am

re: #279 sagehen

The Bulwark is a new conservative magazine/website/whatevs founded by never-trumpers (and Weekly Standard refugees)

So The Bulwark is basically neo-con central.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:21:32am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:23:24am

re: #270 Belafon

For the umpteenth time, the answer is: It’s the wrong question. The right question is, if Trump declares a national emergency over the alleged “crisis” at the border, will there be any adverse consequences? Without enforcement, the Constitution and related laws are not worth the parchment they were written on.

It has been clear to anyone that Trump is in clear violation of the Emoluments Clause and engaged in various other conflicts of interest including obstructing investigations against himself, but Congress has shown no inclination to act against him.

The point of the Mueller investigation is to present a case so clear and incontrovertible that the GOP is forced to act or appear complicit, but at this point, I can imagine them just taking their chances by ignoring it attempting to dismiss it as a Deep State Conspiracy.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:23:59am

re: #281 FormerDirtDart ????

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I agree. He is at the limit. Her description would have allowed room for the next person.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:25:27am

re: #233 Myron Falwell

That proves my thoughts that Linds (and other GOP senators/bootlickers) want out of this, but don’t want to be the ones to blink first…

…and with perfect timing, to boot. In theory.

What ought to really worry them is if Trump continues to drag his feet on this to the point where Cohen testifies, and it’s very possible that happens.

Isn’t shutting down the government the Putin plan — let’s force 100,000’s of American government employees to leave their jobs and bring this country down? We don’t know how frequently Trump talks to Putin. Is there any possibility that it wasn’t Rush et al who caused his change in mind in December, but a conversation with his master?

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:26:36am

re: #275 lawhawk

To add to what you posted, the Brexit blunder is causing serious issues within Britain’s Westminster parliamentary system.

The story so far: MP’s Dominic Grieve and Oliver Letwin are seeking a way to seize control of business in the House of Commons, so that backbencher’s motions would end up taking precedence over government motions. This matters because, until last week, a whole load of options were, for the most part, unthinkable. Tory rebels may well be deeply frustrated but they could not act on their plans because they simply could not call them to a vote. Under the Westminster system, it is the government which controls the parliamentary agenda. Or it did, until Speaker of the House of Commons John Bercow upended things last week.

Now we read that Nick Boles is seeking a way to introduce a bill which could override the EU Withdrawal Act and compel the government to seek an extension to Article 50, presumably by imposing a legal duty on ministers. I think it’s safe to assume that various Remain rebels are comparing notes and a combined amendment is likely to emerge.

Tactically, it’s risky for 10 Downing Street to draw attention to all of this. It might well embolden the rebels, who would likely stand to benefit from the publicity. But on the other hand, denouncing this as an attempted coup might highlight the risks for other Tories who might be tempted to support Boles or Letwin next week.

Control of legislation is one of the few tools available to a minority government - this allows them to pick their battles and when they will fight them; without that, they’re on the run. That’s why Bercow’s behavior, which even he cheerfully accepts is contrary to the advice of the clerks, is a potential game-changer.

So what is Nick Boles up to? He’s said he’ll publish his plans on Tuesday, which suggests he will seek a vote after PM May’s deal is rejected or amended. Of course, he could also change his mind and propose it tomorrow, knowing he’d have further opportunities to bring it back in the not-too-distant future.

If a hostile amendment passes and deprives PM May’s government of control of the parliamentary schedule, suddenly, everything changes; the government will - in effect - become the opposition, desperately seeking to prevent legislation that would either extend - or revoke - the Brexit process. The Prime Minister will simply no longer command any kind of majority.

In such a situation, where power has been seized, what can the government do? Not much as the majority is gone. Once we arrive at that stage, it will quickly become clear who is in charge: Labour, supported by the other opposition parties, and a fairly small group of rebel Conservative MP’s.

All of this was basically unthinkable last week; not any more. And if it happens, I reckon the UK will be much closer to a General Election.

Like I said earlier, the parliamentary maneuvering is gonna make Game of Thrones look like Sesame Street - and it’ll all add up to more uncertainty and chaos.

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sagehen  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:27:32am
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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:29:28am

Tax Preparation Otter Objects!

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:30:35am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:30:40am

re: #278 ObserverArt

We ended up getting about 5 inches in Columbus. Wet and sloppy this morning.

Now we deal with the melting and refreezing.

Yuck.

We lucked out here in TheBackwoods: only about an inch of snow yesterday morning and then mostly rain and occasional wintry mix. So there’s lots of mud out there.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:32:55am

re: #282 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It has been clear to anyone that Trump is in clear violation of the Emoluments Clause and engaged in various other conflicts of interest including obstructing investigations against himself, but Congress has shown no inclination to act against him.

The point of the Mueller investigation is to present a case so clear and incontrovertible that the GOP is forced to act or appear complicit, but at this point, I can imagine them just taking their chances by ignoring it attempting to dismiss it as a Deep State Conspiracy.

That’s what cult of personalities do. And the GOP as a collective unit is all-in on Trump, they refused to back out when they had a chance and can’t back out now.

It’s too late for them to save face, at least in a barely convincing manner. So they chose to take the plunge, even if it results in total complicity, outright humiliation and another annihilation at the polls in 2020.

And for some reason, I don’t think we’re anywhere near done with the leaks like last night and Friday. It’s gonna get even even more explosive.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:35:01am

re: #290 Myron Falwell

You may well be right; the GOP have lashed themselves to the mainmast and has no other choice now but to go down with the ship.

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William Lewis  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:36:27am

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is like any other human endeavor: 90% bullshit

Exactly. One must live to be in & enjoy that 10%.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:37:58am

This football game is a horrific nightmare for civilized humanity

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:38:11am

Bearded creep still creepy

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:38:49am

re: #284 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t shutting down the government the Putin plan — let’s force 100,000’s of American government employees to leave their jobs and bring this country down? We don’t know how frequently Trump talks to Putin. Is there any possibility that it wasn’t Rush et al who caused his change in mind in December, but a conversation with his master?

There’s another part of me that is suspicious of Rush in all this. His rant at Trump, and Trump’s behavior since that exact moment, ought to be setting off a few red flags, no?

I mean, we know Lumpy is tied to Cohen as a past client. If the NRA was being a Russian asset, don’t think that talk radio has been doing the same, but in an even more pernicious manner.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:41:36am
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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:42:51am

Thread.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:42:52am

re: #292 William Lewis

Exactly. One must live to be in & enjoy that 10%.

I spend a lot of time trying to keep that 90% from cluttering up my life too much, one reason I do not own a functioning TV (I have one but it is not connected to any antenna, just a monitor for watching DVDs)

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:43:38am

re: #294 jaunte

Bearded creep still creepy

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GOP can remember a shutdown 12 months ago, totally forget the bill they passed 3 weeks ago. Par for the course.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:43:42am

re: #294 jaunte

“This is now the second Schumer shutdown in a year. He forced one earlier because he wanted to see amnesty. He forced the second one because he wants to see open borders.” -

Democrats in disarray want open borders where they can all veer left

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:45:46am
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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:46:06am

Also, I wonder if Tailgunner Ted would like to speak with Huckleberry about the bill he and his compatriots were floating to give the DNC the very thing they sought a year ago (an extension of the DACA) in exchange for 5 times what the GOP is seeking now?

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:47:26am

re: #300 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Democrats in disarray want open borders where they can all veer left

Flooding the zone with lies.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:48:09am

re: #88 Anymouse ??

Ocasio-Cortez calls out CBS News for not assigning a ‘single black journalist to cover the 2020 election’ (The Hill)

The line from this exchange between Ocasio-Cortez and CBS which stands out is this to me:

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re: #296 jaunte

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Given the horrendous racial fault line in the American system from its inception, actually embedded in our Constitution, you would think that a major news network (other than Fox) might show some understanding of the issue. But then that’s how the media failed us in 2016.

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:49:50am

Jan 2018: “THE DNC CANNOT USE HOSTAGES TO GET WHAT THEY COULDN’T GET THROUGH LEGISLATION!!!”

Jan 2019: “HOW DARE THE DNC REFUSE TO GIVE US WHAT WE DEMANDED IN EXCHANGE FOR THE HOSTAGES WE’VE TAKEN?!”

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ericblair  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:50:52am

re: #284 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t shutting down the government the Putin plan — let’s force 100,000’s of American government employees to leave their jobs and bring this country down? We don’t know how frequently Trump talks to Putin. Is there any possibility that it wasn’t Rush et al who caused his change in mind in December, but a conversation with his master?

I don’t think it was any sort of grand plan. Putin is a troll, and he’s allowing his security services and various extra legal hangers-on to go nuts on whatever they want to do to fuck up the West. It hasn’t benefited Russia in any way, as the Russian economy is still a mess and Russia is more isolated than ever. It doesn’t help Putin much, as the sanction regime is still in place and the West is starting to take money laundering seriously. Putin’s primary motive is spite, and that’s almost all he’s getting for this.

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William Lewis  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:51:03am

re: #298 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I spend a lot of time trying to keep that 90% from cluttering up my life too much, one reason I do not own a functioning TV (I have one but it is not connected to any antenna, just a monitor for watching DVDs)

Killed the TV years ago.

Sometimes I think I should have ETS’d in Germany and found work in Munich…

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:52:44am

re: #293 FormerDirtDart ????

This football game is a horrific nightmare for civilized humanity

Freakin’ %@&%$! Patriots.

They are eating the Chargers up. I thought there would be more of a game.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:52:55am

re: #294 jaunte

Bearded creep still creepy

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:54:24am

The GOP says they aren’t white supremacists but here’s what everyone sees:

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:55:17am

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

We lucked out here in TheBackwoods: only about an inch of snow yesterday morning and then mostly rain and occasional wintry mix. So there’s lots of mud out there.

About what it did/is doing here.

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:55:38am

I rather think Greg is right, this shutdown may help Putin but it’s not his plan or even something he’d suggest. This is all Trump, his inner circle scared shitless at what it coming in the immediate future and trying desperately to shore up support among its base for what it views as a fight to avoid consequences greater than a bad news cycle. But like most of Donny’s impulsive moves, while it is playing well with the cheap seats crowd, it’s pretty much guaranteeing that everybody else will develop a negative view of him that will only deepen when the Mueller report comes out and the House Dems start really tearing into the veil of secrecy.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2019 • 11:57:15am

re: #309 Myron Falwell

More like Bargain Basement Ra’s al Ghoul.

And his cronies, the League of Shadows Shitheads.

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:00:02pm

Really, if Putin was the mastermind behind such a move, wouldn’t he come up with something that would unite more than just the base? Or at a more inconvenient time, say in two months when the debt ceiling vote (and potential economic disaster) is due? Sure, there’s political turmoil and hundreds of thousands of Americans are suffering right now, but the only way such a move makes sense is if he’s preparing to burn his asset in a ploy to cause greater damage that a potential debt default.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:01:15pm

re: #308 ObserverArt

Freakin’ %@&%$! Patriots.

They are eating the Chargers up. I thought there would be more of a game.

Bolts showing no defense at all.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:04:41pm

re: #297 MsJ

Thread.

Holy shit. This thread is something else. It’s still going and almost every tweet is HOLY SHIT.

If you haven’t read it, do so, poste haste.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:06:18pm
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dirkdigglerjr  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:06:38pm

re: #192 William Lewis

Along the same lines, but rank this one as my all-time fave

dailymotion.com

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:09:35pm

re: #308 ObserverArt

Freakin’ %@&%$! Patriots.

They are eating the Chargers up. I thought there would be more of a game.

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:10:08pm

re: #317 FormerDirtDart ????

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And if the question were asked by someone like Maddow, assuming she could bite back her laughter, the first follow-up question would be “Then why lie for months that you knew nothing about the payments to Steffanie Clifford?”

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William Lewis  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:11:22pm

re: #308 ObserverArt

Freakin’ %@&%$! Patriots.

They are eating the Chargers up. I thought there would be more of a game.

Even worse than the Chiefs game for the Colts?

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:12:31pm

Time to call it a day; up early for work tomorrow. Have fun, Lizards.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:12:36pm
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William Lewis  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:14:09pm

re: #318 dirkdigglerjr

Along the same lines, but rank this one as my all-time fave

dailymotion.com

Oh, yeah, that’s a gloriously fun one too

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:14:38pm

re: #314 Targetpractice

Really, if Putin was the mastermind behind such a move, wouldn’t he come up with something that would unite more than just the base? Or at a more inconvenient time, say in two months when the debt ceiling vote (and potential economic disaster) is due? Sure, there’s political turmoil and hundreds of thousands of Americans are suffering right now, but the only way such a move makes sense is if he’s preparing to burn his asset in a ploy to cause greater damage that a potential debt default.

And why not both? Political turmoil now and debt ceiling catastrophe later? Both happening over this wall? And McConnell will hold firm.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:17:40pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:18:49pm

re: #319 FormerDirtDart ????

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Well, I know one thing…I am not one of the two Chargers fans.

I just wanted to see a competitive football game between two competitive teams.

One team is not competitive.

PFFFT!

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:18:52pm

re: #325 Hecuba’s daughter

And why not both? Political turmoil now and debt ceiling catastrophe later? Both happening over this wall? And McConnell will hold firm.

Because the GOP are not going to want to repeat this fiasco. Unless they’re prepared to drag this out until March, it’s going to have to end before the debt ceiling comes due and will do so in some fashion so humiliating that they won’t dare repeat it so soon. Hell, the danger of a debt default would be enough for Mitch to buck his “No bill Trump won’t sign” rule just to avoid an even greater humiliation than whatever they face now.

As much as Trump may want to watch everything burn, I’m not sure there are enough Senate Republicans prepared to sacrifice their party on the altar of his ego.

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:19:31pm

re: #321 William Lewis

Even worse than the Chiefs game for the Colts?

Yep. Currently 38 to 7 with 4:13 to go in the third.

The games sucks.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:20:05pm

re: #314 Targetpractice

It depends. Going alongside Eric Blair’s point, this really could be Putin exacting revenge on the US and the West merely out of spite, it’s not like Russia is reaping a ton of rewards right now economically.

It just so happens that Trump is that politically inept and unyieldingly stubborn that he doesn’t need to be controlled like a puppet 24/7, just that Trump remembers to hit the high notes when he needs to.

Someone like Lindsay Graham, however, is another story in and of itself. One can easily tell that something is not right with him, whereas Trump has his own persona as a concealing mask.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:20:27pm
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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:20:35pm

Another Must Read thread.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:21:20pm

I’m sad that “I can’t marry my dog” is still an argument for anything.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:23:03pm

re: #328 Targetpractice

Because the GOP are not going to want to repeat this fiasco. Unless they’re prepared to drag this out until March, it’s going to have to end before the debt ceiling comes due and will do so in some fashion so humiliating that they won’t dare repeat it so soon. Hell, the danger of a debt default would be enough for Mitch to buck his “No bill Trump won’t sign” rule just to avoid an even greater humiliation than whatever they face now.

As much as Trump may want to watch everything burn, I’m not sure there are enough Senate Republicans prepared to sacrifice their party on the altar of his ego.

But if almost the entire GOP is compromised, why not? McConnell could stop this at any time but he is owned by the Russians too. We cannot assume that any Republicans in the Senate still have loyalty to this nation.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:25:55pm

re: #323 FormerDirtDart ????

Jeebus, that’s Mike Pence-level religious nuttitude.

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William Lewis  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:26:14pm

re: #329 ObserverArt

Yep. Currently 38 to 7 with 4:13 to go in the third.

The games sucks.

Ouch. After the game ended yesterday a co-worker asked for the final score and I said ” 31 - 13 but it wasn’t that close… ” O_o

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Dr. Matt  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:26:52pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:27:09pm

re: #316 MsJ

Holy shit. This thread is something else. It’s still going and almost every tweet is HOLY SHIT.

If you haven’t read it, do so, poste haste.

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Why are we hearing about this from foreign services? What about the NSA — aren’t they supposed to know everything or did Snowden so compromise them that they actually don’t have this information? If the NSA did have this intel, then why wasn’t Trump stopped before he got the nomination?

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Dr. Matt  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:28:26pm

Why and how is Tulsi Gabbard a democrat?

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:29:51pm

re: #328 Targetpractice

Because the GOP are not going to want to repeat this fiasco. Unless they’re prepared to drag this out until March, it’s going to have to end before the debt ceiling comes due and will do so in some fashion so humiliating that they won’t dare repeat it so soon. Hell, the danger of a debt default would be enough for Mitch to buck his “No bill Trump won’t sign” rule just to avoid an even greater humiliation than whatever they face now.

As much as Trump may want to watch everything burn, I’m not sure there are enough Senate Republicans prepared to sacrifice their party on the altar of his ego.

You have far too much faith in McConnell ever going the right thing.

If you think Republicans wouldn’t fuck up the US credit rating, I think you’re 100% wrong.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:30:06pm

re: #334 Hecuba’s daughter

But if almost the entire GOP is compromised, why not? McConnell could stop this at any time but he is owned by the Russians too. We cannot assume that any Republicans in the Senate still have loyalty to this nation.

As of right now, it’s less a matter of Putin directly owning Mitch, and more a matter of Mitch not wanting to give up on an unwinnable fight, because that’s admitting defeat, and he can’t have that.

I will agree that the GOP senators have little to no loyalty whatsoever to our country now. That’s a given.

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:30:37pm

re: #334 Hecuba’s daughter

But if almost the entire GOP is compromised, why not? McConnell could stop this at any time but he is owned by the Russians too. We cannot assume that any Republicans in the Senate still have loyalty to this nation.

Never attribute to malice what can just as easily be explained by stupidity. Mitch may just as well be holding to his rule because if he allows a vote, then that’s pretty much it for the next two years. While he’ll probably be able to continue forward ramming through judicial nominees, any legislation he proposes will be dead in the face of a unified Senate DNC caucus. He will be Majority Leader in name only, while the real power to make or break legislation will rest with Schumer.

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ericblair  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:35:18pm

re: #332 MsJ

Another Must Read thread.

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This is an oldie but a goodie. Key points: there are a large number of independent actors in and around the Russian government running their own ops, to curry favor with Putin. They are not coordinated and get in each other’s way. Mark Galeotti calls it an “adhocracy.” Because this is so random and uncoordinated, there’s a great possibility for blowback and bigger future problems. Not really stated but implied, is how much Putin and his buddies live in their own bullshit bubble, when everyone is lying to everyone else.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:36:30pm

re: #342 Targetpractice

Never attribute to malice what can just as easily be explained by stupidity. Mitch may just as well be holding to his rule because if he allows a vote, then that’s pretty much it for the next two years. While he’ll probably be able to continue forward ramming through judicial nominees, any legislation he proposes will be dead in the face of a unified Senate DNC caucus. He will be Majority Leader in name only, while the real power to make or break legislation will rest with Schumer.

That is certainly a wise aphorism. However, IMHO, it doesn’t apply to McConnell. He has shown methodical malevolence during Obama’s entire presidency. This is a continuation of the same. He receives major financing from the Russians and is as corrupt as they come. Perhaps his goal is to turn us into an official dictatorship with one party rule; but it certainly isn’t to preserve democracy or our Constitution.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:36:48pm

re: #338 Hecuba’s daughter

Why are we hearing about this from foreign services? What about the NSA — aren’t they supposed to know everything or did Snowden so compromise them that they actually don’t have this information? If the NSA did have this intel, then why wasn’t Trump stopped before he got the nomination?

I think the information from yesterday’s threads were spot on. There is Cointelpro that cannot get out otherwise it would compromise assets or how we gather intelligence and a great likelihood it’ll never come out because of that.

They’re trading light sentences for pleas so trials that would expose that Cointelpro don’t take place.

I’m not sure what the endgame will be, if public trials will ever happen, but just reading real investigative journalists and what they’re saying, almost always with receipts, is showing that all this is far, far worse than any of us know.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:38:49pm

re: #344 Hecuba’s daughter

That is certainly a wise aphorism. However, IMHO, it doesn’t apply to McConnell. He has shown methodical malevolence during Obama’s entire presidency. This is a continuation of the same. He receives major financing from the Russians and is as corrupt as they come. Perhaps his goal is to turn us into an official dictatorship with one party rule; but it certainly isn’t to preserve democracy or our Constitution.

Yes. This.

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:40:41pm

re: #344 Hecuba’s daughter

That is certainly a wise aphorism. However, IMHO, it doesn’t apply to McConnell. He has shown methodical malevolence during Obama’s entire presidency. This is a continuation of the same. He receives major financing from the Russians and is as corrupt as they come. Perhaps his goal is to turn us into an official dictatorship with one party rule; but it certainly isn’t to preserve democracy or our Constitution.

The bolded is what is really concerning me, that we are allowing ourselves to see influences where they may not exist. Without further evidence to the contrary, I’m not quite ready to believe that Putin or Russian oligarchs are directly controlling the GOP beyond influencing decisions. The desire to believe that an entire party has becoming puppets (willing or otherwise) of a foreign power is frankly disturbing to me, as it seems in some ways an effort to avoid acknowledging that some simply seek power for power’s sake and may be acting out of purely personal ambition rather than getting marching orders from a foreign dictator.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:41:55pm

re: #340 MsJ

You have far too much faith in McConnell ever going the right thing.

If you think Republicans wouldn’t fuck up the US credit rating, I think you’re 100% wrong.

The Kochs and Mercers have direct influence over Mitch, along with Rupert and other wealthy people. I don’t think any of them would be all that happy to throw money at a party that imploded the US economy by a purposeful botching of the debt ceiling vote… unless they have a death wish…

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Skip Intro  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:43:05pm

re: #337 Dr. Matt

Apparently witness tampering by the “president” is just another one of those things we should just get over. Like lying, thieving, threatening, promoting incompetence and mediocrity. Is there nothing anyone can do?

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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:44:03pm

re: #345 MsJ

I’m not sure what the endgame will be, if public trials will ever happen, but just reading real investigative journalists and what they’re saying, almost always with receipts, is showing that all this is far, far worse than any of us know.

It’s silly, I guess, but I’m annoyed that Merkel has known more about what’s going on than I have, all along, and before I ever took Trump seriously.

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Skip Intro  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:44:26pm

re: #348 Myron Falwell

You never know what dirty deals those people have made to enrich themselves if that happens. Nothing is normal any more.

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Alephnaught  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:45:36pm

Sanity break: I was in Harvey Nichols store in Edinburgh today. In the men’s clothing section, there is a huge sculpture of a horse- and it’s made out of the toy racing set Scalectrix!

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:48:21pm

re: #339 Dr. Matt

Why and how is Tulsi Gabbard a democrat?

Because it’s really fucking hard to be a Republican in Hawaii.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:50:31pm

re: #348 Myron Falwell

The Kochs and Mercers have direct influence over Mitch, along with Rupert and other wealthy people. I don’t think any of them would be all that happy to throw money at a party that imploded the US economy by a purposeful botching of the debt ceiling vote… unless they have a death wish…

Mercer is hip deep into Russian bullshit vis a vi Cambridge Analytica. That’s not conjecture, either.

At this point, is want to see where their money is, throughout the world, before talking about death wishes. Abs for the Koch’s, where they expect their best sales to be in the next few years.

Selling out a country is nothing when you have alternate income streams.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:50:49pm

re: #352 Alephnaught

Sanity break: I was in Harvey Nichols store in Edinburgh today. In the men’s clothing section, there is a huge sculpture of a horse- and it’s made out of the toy racing set Scalectrix!

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it’s another kelpie!

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:51:46pm

I found a Time article from Friday.

I think it gets right to the biggest point of what McConnell is doing.

I think I made a comment the other day saying I thought this is what he is doing.

I know we are all concerned about Russia and is Mitch selling us out. I don’t think that is clear, but one thing is always clear about McConnell and that is POLITICS.

I’m going to quote what to me are the main two paragraphs from the story. The story is short so you might want to check it out.

TIME - How Mitch McConnell Is Working Behind the Scenes to End the Shutdown

“I think the way out of this has been apparent for several weeks,” he said Thursday. “It requires an agreement between a Democratic House, the Democrats in the Senate and the President.” Notably absent? The Republican majority in the Senate, which cannot pass anything of substance without at least 60 votes to clear a procedural hurdle. (Trump has suggested McConnell throw out the rules requiring that 60-vote requirement; McConnell has dismissed that idea.)

Still, McConnell recognizes things are getting bad. Personally, he is indifferent to the necessity of the wall, which Trump promised during the campaign, but he recognizes the politics of it can be helpful for firing up the GOP’s hardline base. In 2020, McConnell’s fellow Republicans will be defending 22 seats, and many of them are in states that may prove tricky, like Arizona and Colorado.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:53:49pm

Seems like some people are heavily invested in trying to smear Beto O’Rourke.

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:55:18pm

Something to consider: We’ve had two double-digit GOP-led shutdowns in the past 25 years. Both times, the GOP continued the shutdowns long after it had become obvious that they were not going to “win” and were taking it in the pants at the polls. Both times, the shutdowns were led by overly ambitious assholes who had overplayed their hands because they viewed it as politically advantageous to do so.

Occam’s razor would suggest that it’s easier to assume the GOP are engaged in this shitstorm because they think they can somehow “win” a huge political victory in the end rather than because Vlad Putin called Mitch McConnell and ordered him to keep the gov’t partially shutdown.

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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:57:50pm

re: #357 jaunte

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Seems like some people are heavily invested in trying to smear Beto O’Rourke.

The intercept. Blocked. (Long before this. Part of my annoyance-reduction campaign.)

They always show us who they’re scared of.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2019 • 12:58:14pm

re: #357 jaunte

I despise Sirota. He’s a total ratfucking jackass who somehow passes himself off as a progressive. Part of that bizarre Greenwald puritopian cult.

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TedStriker  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:00:59pm

re: #356 ObserverArt

I found a Time article from Friday.

I think it gets right to the biggest point of what McConnell is doing.

I think I made a comment the other day saying I thought this is what he is doing.

I know we are all concerned about Russia and is Mitch selling us out. I don’t think that is clear, but one thing is always clear about McConnell and that is POLITICS.

I’m going to quote what to me are the main two paragraphs from the story. The story is short so you might want to check it out.

TIME - How Mitch McConnell Is Working Behind the Scenes to End the Shutdown

Also, another golden quote:

The Republican majority in the Senate, which cannot pass anything of substance without at least 60 votes to clear a procedural hurdle. (Trump has suggested McConnell throw out the rules requiring that 60-vote requirement; McConnell has dismissed that idea.)

McConnell knows that, as soon as he were to toss the 60-vote requirement to do almost anything in the Senate, his ass is fucking toast, because that would sufficiently lower the number of GOPers that would have to crossover to vote with the Dems on most anything, especially this shutdown, and he would become a dead man walking as Speaker.

He’s fucking his own caucus just to hang on to his position.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:02:19pm
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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:05:46pm

re: #340 MsJ

You have far too much faith in McConnell ever going the right thing.

If you think Republicans wouldn’t fuck up the US credit rating, I think you’re 100% wrong.

I fully expect default coming down the tracks

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:06:11pm
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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:06:49pm

re: #358 Targetpractice

Something to consider: We’ve had two double-digit GOP-led shutdowns in the past 25 years. Both times, the GOP continued the shutdowns long after it had become obvious that they were not going to “win” and were taking it in the pants at the polls. Both times, the shutdowns were led by overly ambitious assholes who had overplayed their hands because they viewed it as politically advantageous to do so.

Occam’s razor would suggest that it’s easier to assume the GOP are engaged in this shitstorm because they think they can somehow “win” a huge political victory in the end rather than because Vlad Putin called Mitch McConnell and ordered him to keep the gov’t partially shutdown.

While I agree with you mostly, I think there is a palpable fear by Republicans of Russian stuff against trump and Republicans coming out.

They have to hold on to their base. No matter what. But doing so at the expense of everyone else seems counterproductive. Most of what McConnell is found is counterproductive. I don’t get it at all.

Something else is going on.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:15:06pm

re: #307 William Lewis

Killed the TV years ago.

Sometimes I think I should have ETS’d in Germany and found work in Munich…

I was unsure about staying here in Germany until 1989, when things started changing so rapidly that I did not want to miss seeing it first-hand.

Things have generally changed for the better here.

And when I get homesick, about 20 minutes of news is enough to make me feel better.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:16:16pm

re: #312 Targetpractice

I rather think Greg is right, this shutdown may help Putin but it’s not his plan or even something he’d suggest.

They see a weakness, they exploit it. Cannot really blame them for doing that.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:16:16pm

re: #365 MsJ

While I agree with you mostly, I think there is a palpable fear by Republicans of Russian stuff against trump and Republicans coming out.

They have to hold on to their base. No matter what. But doing so at the expense of everyone else seems counterproductive. Most of what McConnell is found is counterproductive. I don’t get it at all.

Something else is going on.

If the polls are any indication, the GOP is starting to slowly lose their base over this. So even in the event that this shutdown is a desperation tactic (which is clearly the case with Trump) then it’s even more of an outright failure than could have ever been foreseen.

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Alephnaught  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:17:27pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s another kelpie!

Believe it or not, The Kelpies structure is one place I have yet to visit in my native country!

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:22:48pm

re: #357 jaunte

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Seems like some people are heavily invested in trying to smear Beto O’Rourke.

lol, f*ck David Sirota

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:23:59pm

re: #369 Alephnaught

Believe it or not, The Kelpies structure is one place I have yet to visit in my native country!

[Embedded content]

I missed seeing them, last time I was in Scotland (including Falkirk!) was 2005.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:17:21pm

re: #357 jaunte

David Sirota blocked me. Hahaha


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