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If Donald Trump were an agent of the Kremlin, what sort of things would he do?

Would he, for example, want to destroy the NATO alliance that has prevented Russia from military aggression against Europe for more than 70 years?

Because, well, he does want that. And according to this new story in the Times, he’s brought it up several times this year: Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia.

WASHINGTON — There are few things that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia desires more than the weakening of NATO, the military alliance among the United States, Europe and Canada that has deterred Soviet and Russian aggression for 70 years.

Last year, President Trump suggested a move tantamount to destroying NATO: the withdrawal of the United States.

Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

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506 comments

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freetoken  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:19:34am

Repeating what I wrote downstairs, that Trump is Putin’s puppet is worse for the UK than Brexit is bad for the UK.

Because if Trump has his way, the UK will be left to corral their European friends to continue NATO. Those same European friends that Brexit has spat upon.

Oh Canada…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:20:59am

NATO needs to rethink its mission in the changed situation in Europe since the demise of its chief nemesis, the Warsaw Pact, but that does not mean chucking it entirely.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:23:29am

CL’ed from the downstairs thread:

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Targetpractice  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:24:19am

From downstairs:

re: #577 Alephnaught

I noted there’s speculation on the Guardian live blog that Corbyn pulled his amendment in order to speed up the process in order to get the main result in the first editions of the morning newspapers.

I wouldn’t be surprised if that was his intent. He may even try for the hat trick by trying to put forward a motion of no-confidence, so that the nation wakes up tomorrow to the news that not only is there no plan for Brexit, but that May’s gov’t is now imperiled because of the failure to secure a plan.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:24:58am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

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Sir John Barron  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:25:20am

re: #2 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

NATO needs to rethink its mission in the changed situation in Europe since the demise of its chief nemesis, the Warsaw Pact, but that does not mean chucking it entirely.

I’ll just be happy, or at least happier, once some semblance of government by patriotic adults returns to 1600 Penn Ave.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:27:24am

re: #6 Sir John Barron

I’ll just be happy, or at least happier, once some semblance of government by adults returns to the 1600 Penn Ave.

As I mentioned at end of last thread, I fear that things still have to get worse before they can start getting better.

Remember that as Prez and CinC, Trump has a lot of cards up his sleeve, he has not been backed far enough into a corner to start pulling them out.

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Alephnaught  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:29:29am

re: #4 Targetpractice

I wouldn’t be surprised if that was his intent. He may even try for the hat trick by trying to put forward a motion of no-confidence, so that the nation wakes up tomorrow to the news that not only is there no plan for Brexit, but that May’s gov’t is now imperiled because of the failure to secure a plan.

That’s a very good point. He was seen in “deep discussion” with the Speaker, and people were speculating he was discussing moving a motion of no confidence.

BTW This is tucking ridiculous in this day and age.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:30:03am

From downstairs:

re: #579 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have never lost my faith in the Dems ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

And ever since 2016, I can only see the worst-case scenarios unfolding.

I still think that things have to get worse before they can start getting better and they still haven’t gotten worse enough yet to turn things around.

see? There’s still an optimist in there, looking for that pony buried in that pile of horse manure…

There’s one big difference this time. And that’s Pelosi is back in the speaker chair and isn’t backing down.

As was noted before, she sacrificed her speakership and the careers of others to get the ACA passed. She’s further emboldened by the GOP senate acting in a purely defensive manner. She’s making sure Sen. Schumer holds firm and will not yield, which is pretty remarkable for someone without much, if any, leverage.

It’s pretty simple to gauge who’s winning and losing in this p***ing match, and that’s what gives me hope. I’m more annoyed than fearful, as the GOP just doesn’t want to do the obvious and admit defeat.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:30:38am
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Alephnaught  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:31:02am

The amendment got voted down, so now MPs are voting on the main motion.

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Targetpractice  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:31:59am

re: #8 Alephnaught

That’s a very good point. He was seen in “deep discussion” with the Speaker, and people were speculating he was discussing moving a motion of no confidence.

BTW This is tucking ridiculous in this day and age.

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There has seemed to be a sort of gentlemen’s agreement for the longest time that Labour would not make a move on the Tories while May was in negotiations with Brussels. But after tonight, that agreement will have effectively run its course, as the deal negotiated will be dead and the public’s anger directed largely towards May specifically and the Tories in general for failing in 2 years to secure a withdrawal plan. Corbyn at this point would be a fool not to strike while the iron is hot.

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Targetpractice  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:32:27am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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When truth is stranger than fiction…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:32:36am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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Hahahhaa ouch.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:33:53am

re: #9 Myron Falwell

From downstairs:

There’s one big difference this time. And that’s Pelosi is back in the speaker chair and isn’t backing down.

As was noted before, she sacrificed her speakership and the careers of others to get the ACA passed. She’s further emboldened by the GOP senate acting in a purely defensive manner. She’s making sure Sen. Schumer holds firm and will not yield, which is pretty remarkable for someone without much, if any, leverage.

It’s pretty simple to gauge who’s winning and losing in this p***ing match, and that’s what gives me hope. I’m more annoyed than fearful, as the GOP just doesn’t want to do the obvious and admit defeat.

She’s doing a great job and she’s made Schumer a better leader too.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:35:40am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:36:01am

I don’t mind Schumer TBH. Not a huge fan but he could be worse.

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Alephnaught  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:36:41am

Now counting votes.

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William Lewis  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:37:01am

re: #2 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

NATO needs to rethink its mission in the changed situation in Europe since the demise of its chief nemesis, the Warsaw Pact, but that does not mean chucking it entirely.

Yes and no. I think that the idea of a shared common defense of the membership is an important goal. I also believe that the ultimate enemy has only changed it’s name from the USSR to The Russian Federation. Comrade Vladamir Vladimirovich has goals that are contrary to the rest of Europe and only the threat of a real military response will keep him out of the Baltic States and the rest of Ukraine.

How we do that is a good series of questions. I’d like to see a standing military Corps made of pan-EU & NATO units (ie including the French if they wish) that would be able to rapidly react ala the old US REFORGER strategy to any incursion into EU/NATO territory. No special weapons, just the cream of the nations’ military forces with current training and understanding of the Russian forces capabilities.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:37:24am

re: #7 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

As I mentioned at end of last thread, I fear that things still have to get worse before they can start getting better.

Remember that as Prez and CinC, Trump has a lot of cards up his sleeve, he has not been backed far enough into a corner to start pulling them out.

And he doesn’t care. About anything. Except a narrow sliver of a portion of his base who praises him on FNC.

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Alephnaught  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:38:00am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:38:44am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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If you want to be really honest with the 5th graders Scott, you could point out to them that parents are under no real obligation to give their kids any money but I get it, you need to hump Reagan’s corpse again to make a stupid point to try to school AOC. BTW what if the parent was saying “Well you give us 3 dollars for the chores you did for Grandma and that money can go towards that bike or gaming console you’ve been wanting.” AOC isn’t saying we just take people’s money. She’s saying we should use instead of hoarding it like you do for your donors.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:39:03am

re: #21 Alephnaught

I haven’t kept up. What does no mean in this case?

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Alephnaught  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:39:10am
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sagehen  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:39:35am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

CL’ed from the downstairs thread:

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mazel tov!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:40:59am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Somebody doesn’t understand marginal tax rates.

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Targetpractice  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:41:00am

re: #23 Belafon

I haven’t kept up. What does no mean in this case?

Six more weeks of bullshit…minimum.

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Alephnaught  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:41:02am

EDIT: here’s a non-tabloid link.

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freetoken  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:41:28am

re: #28 Alephnaught

Not even close.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:41:35am

re: #28 Alephnaught

So what now?

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:41:45am

A response to a comment from last thread.

re: #575 Sir John Barron

I’m just worried that because the hostages are almost literally being starved to death and the party in the WH doesn’t care that the hostages are being starved to death, will mean the Dems will have to offer up a token $$ to prevent the hostages from starving to death.

This is the problem with a psychopath in the WH.

I made similar comments last week.

This is heading fast too “all politicians suck” territory due to frustration with the shutdown. Too often that comes out meaning I’m going to vote the way I always vote.

Sure I want the Democrats to stay strong. And they are, but this country is stupid when it comes to politics.

We also still have a both-sides do it media.

What a fucking mess…created like you say, by a psychopath.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:41:55am

re: #29 freetoken

Not even close.

That would be a veto override here.

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Targetpractice  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:41:58am

re: #28 Alephnaught

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Yeah, I don’t think there’s any way to spin that as anything but a crushing loss.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:42:29am

May and Trump. Quite a pair.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:42:34am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Is Scotty out early campaigning for a Senate seat?

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:42:35am

May goes down 432 No 202 Yes…

Now when is the no confidence vote going to the despatch box?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:43:53am
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Targetpractice  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:44:52am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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NBC basically trying to avoid pissing off the very people who don’t watch their shows at all.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:44:59am

re: #35 Sir John Barron

Is Scotty out early campaigning for a Senate seat?

Don’t think so since Baldwin just won re-election. Probably just his Troy McClure, hi I’m Scott Walker, you might remember from Wisconsin Teacher Union Buster or The First One Who Lost to Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:45:24am

re: #38 Targetpractice

NBC basically trying to avoid pissing off the very people who don’t watch their shows at all.

So you’re saying they should rehire Megyn Kelly right?//

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Targetpractice  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:46:34am

Well, if Corbyn moves for a no-confidence vote, I’m not sure there’s any way May can argue against it. It certainly seems as though he has the votes to argue that this government cannot secure a deal with Brussels in time to avoid crashing out of the EU.

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Citizen K  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:46:36am

re: #38 Targetpractice

NBC basically trying to avoid pissing off the very people who don’t watch their shows at all.

Just like how the New York Times keeps trying to lure the Trump-lover demo with their endless plaudits toward Trump Country “Real Americans”.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:46:44am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

We seem to have crossed another line this year. Democrats are now openly calling Republicans racist. Between that and ending the taboo on talking about tax hikes, team Dem is getting bold.

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Alephnaught  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:47:19am

re: #29 freetoken

Not even close.

Bliley, May’s broached the issue of a motion before Corbyn has. If there’s going to be a motion of no confidence, it’ll happen tomorrow.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:48:12am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:48:18am

re: #31 ObserverArt

A response to a comment from last thread.

I made similar comments last week.

This is heading fast too “all politicians suck” territory due to frustration with the shutdown. Too often that comes out meaning I’m going to vote the way I always vote.

Sure I want the Democrats to stay strong. And they are, but this country is stupid when it comes to politics.

We also still have a both-sides do it media.

What a fucking mess…created like you say, by a psychopath.

At what point does the both-sider-ism factor into this? If opinion is already starting to be baked in that this is all Trump and the GOP’s fault… and it kinda is…

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Alephnaught  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:48:37am

Corbyn has tabled the motion of no confidence. It’s on tomorrow.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:48:56am

re: #42 Citizen K

Just like how the New York Times keeps trying to lure the Trump-lover demo with their endless plaudits toward Trump Country “Real Americans”.

I for the life of me don’t get why they do that. Just seems counter productive. You don’t see FNC going out of their way to to include voters that are not only anti-Trump but liberal anti-Trump.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:49:47am

re: #47 Alephnaught

Corbyn has tabled the motion of no confidence. It’s on tomorrow.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:49:55am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Don’t think so since Baldwin just won re-election. Probably just his Troy McClure, hi I’m Scott Walker, you might remember from Wisconsin Teacher Union Buster or The First One Who Lost to Trump.

IM STILL RELEVANT DONT IGNORE ME

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:50:03am

Fleischer is equating GOP members’ making racist statements and holding racist views with Democratic members MEETING WITH someone who makes racist statements and holds racist views.

I’d say you have to admire the balls on this guy, but you really don’t.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:50:55am

And in further Brexit news:

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Targetpractice  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:51:18am

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

Fleischer is equating GOP members’ making racist statements and holding racist views with Democratic members MEETING WITH someone who makes racist statements and holds racist views.

I’d say you have to admire the balls on this guy, but you really don’t.

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Who, outside of white guys suffering from white insecurity, gives a flying fuck about what Louis Farrakhan says?

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Citizen K  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:51:45am

re: #48 HappyWarrior

I for the life of me don’t get why they do that. Just seems counter productive. You don’t see FNC going out of their way to to include voters that are not only anti-Trump but liberal anti-Trump.

Because they, like so many other outlets, have been browbeaten by conservatives for so long that they’ve internalized the idea that only conservatives get to actually be ‘American’, and thus they must go out of their way to placate this amorphous, mythic ‘Real America’ demo. Meanwhile, even at the same volume, they endlessly shit on any criticism from the left because clearly they’re far too liberal already and thus must reach for that middle ground, no matter how many hippies they have to step on to do so….

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:51:57am

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

Fleischer is equating GOP members’ making racist statements and holding racist views with Democratic members MEETING WITH someone who makes racist statements and holds racist views.

I’d say you have to admire the balls on this guy, but you really don’t.

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Louis Farrakhan who has offered words of praise for Trump. You don’t want to be playing that game Ari when I can point you to Steve Scalise who vowed to be David Duke without the baggage. And don’t think we haven’t forgotten how you were the original Sarah Huckabee Sanders lying non stop in the lead up to Iraq. Also Donald fucking Trump is your party’s leader. STFU dude.

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Targetpractice  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:52:18am

re: #52 Dr Lizardo

And in further Brexit news:

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So she’s going to take her government down with her. The woman who envisioned herself as the second coming of the Iron Lady can’t even go out with the dignity that woman did.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:52:19am

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

Fleischer is equating GOP members’ making racist statements and holding racist views with Democratic members MEETING WITH someone who makes racist statements and holds racist views.

I’d say you have to admire the balls on this guy, but you really don’t.

Judging by Ted Lieu’s public statement, they aren’t falling for the false equivalence bullshit propped up by those like Ari here.

That’s not insignificant.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:53:16am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:53:19am

Changing gears for a second. Did anyone watch the premiere for the new True Detective yet? I like it so far. More truer to the first season with McConnaughey and Harrelson because I think the Southern gothic works better than California for that series. Plus I like Ali. Very talented actor.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:53:43am

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

Can I see that list, Ari.

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wrenchwench  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:53:56am

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

Fleischer is equating GOP members’ making racist statements and holding racist views with Democratic members MEETING WITH someone who makes racist statements and holds racist views.

I’d say you have to admire the balls on this guy, but you really don’t.

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OK, can we call them stupid? You have to be pretty stupid to hold racist views.

Just looking for an acceptable term. Ball is in your court, stupid racists.

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Alephnaught  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:54:08am

Here is Corbyn’s motion of no confidence, to be debated tomorrow.

EDIT: The names at the start are the MPs who sponsor this motion. Basically, it’s all the leaders of the opposition parties.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:54:31am

re: #56 Targetpractice

So she’s going to take her government down with her. The woman who envisioned herself as the second coming of the Iron Lady can’t even go out with the dignity that woman did.

If May’s goin’ down, she taking the UK down with her.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:55:18am

And they can thank Mitch McConnell.

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:56:00am

re: #46 Myron Falwell

At what point does the both-sider-ism factor into this? If opinion is already starting to be baked in that this is all Trump and the GOP’s fault… and it kinda is…

One more missed pay period is going to really hurt. Then reasonable thinking is going to meet panic. Panic results in anger and unclear thinking.

I’m not saying it will be blamed on Democrats, and I think you get that.

I am saying it will just be pure anger and then anything goes. That usually means the all politicians suck thinking and vote all of them out.

Then default setting take place. Everyone to their corners and the battles resume.

Something shocking that really hurts Trump’s position is much needed.

In the past that is where the old-time journalists would provide clear thinking and point out the facts.

I worry we won’t see that.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:56:20am

re: #52 Dr Lizardo

And in further Brexit news:

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If Theresa May loses the “No Confidence” vote tomorrow, I’m pretty sure she no longer will have any say-so in the matter.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:56:39am

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

Fleischer is equating GOP members’ making racist statements and holding racist views with Democratic members MEETING WITH someone who makes racist statements and holds racist views.

I’d say you have to admire the balls on this guy, but you really don’t.

I also hope Dems will remove Farakhan from all his Congressional committee assignments and also that Farakhan should resign from Congress.

Also, um, isn’t Farrakhan actually a Republican?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:56:47am

re: #64 jaunte

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And they can thank Mitch McConnell.

Mitch needs to be a target of the DSCC. Every shady thing he’s done for partisan reasons needs to be aired out. Make life hell for him. Make sure instead of merely becoming the minority leader for the next term, he’s out of office and just grifting on FNC.

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Targetpractice  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:56:51am

The Tories had the opportunity to get rid of her weeks ago. They held off because they seemed to buy into whatever bullshit she spun about going to Brussels and getting a “better” deal. Now they’re headed for a general election on being the party that failed in 2 years to get that “better” deal.

Hope it was worth it, boys.

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wrenchwench  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:57:09am

re: #58 jaunte

[…And we need an AG who understands racism in justice system.]

A Supreme Court Justice with that understanding would be nice, too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:57:26am

re: #67 Sir John Barron

I also hope Dems will remove Farakhan from all his Congressional committee assignments and also that Farakhan should resign from Congress.

Also, um, isn’t Farrakhan actually a Republican?

He’s not either a Dem or Republican but he certainly has praised Trump more than he did Clinton or Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:57:49am

re: #70 wrenchwench

A Supreme Court Justice with that understanding would be nice, too.

the Federalist Society doesn’t believe in that though so that’s a no go.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:57:57am

re: #64 jaunte

And they can thank Mitch McConnell.

And for all the service members who want to think “Why won’t the Democrats just give him the wall?” do you want your paycheck held up the next time he wants to break something?

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:58:03am
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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:58:04am

This guy is a disaster.

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Citizen K  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:59:04am

re: #75 jaunte

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This guy is a disaster.

And yet, that’s exactly why the Senate is going to let him through.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:59:14am

test

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sagehen  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:59:49am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Brexit will go down as one of the most catastrophic decisions in British history.

Didn’t Trump like to call himself “Mr Brexit”?

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wrenchwench  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:59:51am

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Mitch needs to be a target of the DSCC. Every shady thing he’s done for partisan reasons needs to be aired out. Make life hell for him. Make sure instead of merely becoming the minority leader for the next term, he’s out of office and just grifting on FNC.

Or watching FNC on that ceiling-mounted, cage-protected TV in the rec room, where the guard gets the remote.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:00:28pm

re: #74 FormerDirtDart ????

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You come from a family of abolitionists and live in an Union state yet you have a CSA flag in your office, Steve. What does that tell you about the kind of man you are? Also your ancestors being abolitionists don’t mean shit. And maybe you are right about one thing, it is pretty convenient that your Republican colleagues are throwing you to the way side now but don’t act like you haven’t been a racist prick for years because you have and hiding behind your dead ancestor is cickenshit.

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Alephnaught  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:00:44pm
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Sir John Barron  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:01:12pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Changing gears for a second. Did anyone watch the premiere for the new True Detective yet? I like it so far. More truer to the first season with McConnaughey and Harrelson because I think the Southern gothic works better than California for that series. Plus I like Ali. Very talented actor.

I totally agree.

Also think the storyline is really intriguing. Not just an evil guy or people out there, but something weirder.

Thought at first they were trying to mimic the true life story of the three kids murdered in West Memphis, Arkansas (the case of the so-called Satanic Ritual murders). And that might underlie the story a bit, but its going in a rather different direction than that.

Narrowing the focus to one main character instead of 7 like TD2 did, also helps.

Also watched The Bodyguard series on Netflix. That was quite good.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:01:21pm

re: #78 sagehen

Didn’t Trump like to call himself “Mr Brexit”?

Yes and he bragged about Brexit’s success in the part of the UK that rejected it the most. My cousin’s in laws live in Scotland. The Scots more than anyone in the UK hate Trump.

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:01:43pm

re: #67 Sir John Barron

I also hope Dems will remove Farakhan from all his Congressional committee assignments and also that Farakhan should resign from Congress.

Also, um, isn’t Farrakhan actually a Republican?

Subject to change if he is.

Farrakhan is actually all in on what he can get. So Farrakhan is for Farrakhan.

Like others said last evening, Farrakhan is only scary to people about 55 years of age. But that is where a large sector of voting comes from.

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Citizen K  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:02:02pm

re: #81 Alephnaught

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Someone who will be refused a microphone, more than likely.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:02:20pm

re: #65 ObserverArt

One more missed pay period is going to really hurt. Then reasonable thinking is going to meet panic. Panic results in anger and unclear thinking.

I’m not saying it will be blamed on Democrats, and I think you get that.

I am saying it will just be pure anger and then anything goes. That usually means the all politicians suck thinking and vote all of them out.

Then default setting take place. Everyone to their corners and the battles resume.

Something shocking that really hurts Trump’s position is much needed.

In the past that is where the old-time journalists would provide clear thinking and point out the facts.

I worry we won’t see that.

Interesting to note, the State of the Union is on January 29. If I didn’t know any better, I’d think that would be Trump and the GOP’s last stand on this whole thing, on national TV.

And if it bombs like everything else he’s done to try and sell this thing…

Edit: I was off by two days ^^;

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:02:29pm

re: #82 Sir John Barron

I totally agree.

Also think the storyline is really intriguing. Not just an evil guy or people out there, but something weirder.

Thought at first they were trying to mimic the true life story of the three kids murdered in West Memphis, Arkansas (the case of the so-called Satanic Ritual murders). And that might underlie the story a bit, but its going in a rather different direction than that.

Narrowing the focus to one main character instead of 7 like TD2 did, also helps.

Also watched The Bodyguard series on Netflix. That was quite good.

Yea, yeah I got the West Memphis 3 vibe too. And I agree the focus is much better this time. And honestly I’m not big on Vince Vaughn as a serious actor and while I like Colin Farrell, I feel his strength is in dark comedy.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:02:38pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Mitch needs to be a target of the DSCC. Every shady thing he’s done for partisan reasons needs to be aired out. Make life hell for him. Make sure instead of merely becoming the minority leader for the next term, he’s out of office and just grifting on FNC.

I think Yertle is too repulsively ugly even for Faux Noise.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:03:19pm

re: #81 Alephnaught

Tusk is right; the only logical solution to the intractable problem that is Brexit is to cancel it.

It’s like the end of the film WarGames: “A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:03:43pm

re: #88 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I think Yertle is too repulsively ugly even for Faux Noise.

I dunno. They keep Tucker on and Tucker always looks like he ate shit.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:05:15pm

re: #88 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I think Yertle is too repulsively ugly even for Faux Noise.

Ducklips wants to say hi.

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Alephnaught  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:06:57pm

Confirmed: the no confidence vote is 1900h GMT tomorrow.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:06:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:07:53pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

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Yeah he’s just trying to save himself while the public eye is on him. If he survives this, I guarantee he’ll be the same bigot we know and loathe in no time.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:08:54pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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Thanks to Nancy Pelosi.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:12:27pm
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Alephnaught  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:12:41pm

re: #89 Dr Lizardo

Tusk is right; the only logical solution to the intractable problem that is Brexit is to cancel it.

It’s like the end of the film WarGames: “A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.”

Also, in a similar vein:

“Clarify it’s intentions”.. Hmmm…

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:12:49pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

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Yup. The only way that the GOP white nationalism is truly gone is if he resigns his seat (and takes a few dozen others with the same racist mindset with him).

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:13:39pm

re: #86 Myron Falwell

Interesting to note, the State of the Union is on January 29. If I didn’t know any better, I’d think that would be Trump and the GOP’s last stand on this whole thing, on national TV.

And if it bombs like everything else he’s done to try and sell this thing…

Edit: I was off by two days ^^;

If it goes that long, then there is a good chance Trump will not give a SOTU address. He’ll say government is shut down and Democrats are obstructing him so there is no reason for the address.

In other words a temper tantrum. He’s good for those.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:14:15pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

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They are so weird. They want to ignore Tulsi disparaging lgbt activists but acted like Clinton was hostile to lgbt people. She was wrong about gay marriage but she wasn’t using right wing rhetoric either.

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Targetpractice  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:14:15pm

re: #97 Alephnaught

Also, in a similar vein:

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What’s really gonna twerk a lot of noses is when the no-confidence motion passes, then Brussel informs them that it doesn’t matter that they’ve put a general election in motion, the deadline is set and there will be no extension while they get their house in order.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:16:13pm
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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:17:56pm

re: #77 bd(it’s all true)

I saw that and at first I was afraid Ginger Snapped got back on Twitter!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:18:55pm

re: #102 jaunte

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If that’s his family history, it makes his having a CSA flag in his office even more absurd. His ancestors have nothing to do with his individual character which is racist.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:19:07pm

re: #103 Joe Bacon ??

I saw that and at first I was afraid Ginger Snapped got back on Twitter!

Ditto Joe.

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:19:47pm

re: #89 Dr Lizardo

Tusk is right; the only logical solution to the intractable problem that is Brexit is to cancel it.

It’s like the end of the film WarGames: “A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.”

Heh, I was flipping through the over the air digital channels available here in Columbus yesterday and I came upon the scene where all the computers are going crazy running scenarios and the lights in the National Military Command Center are flashing.

Yep…War Games with hacker Matthew Broderick nearly bringing the world to an end playing games on their computers only to have the computers go AI and teach the world a big lesson.

Hadn’t seen that in years and years.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:20:25pm

Bill Barr wants to make policy until he gets called to be responsible for it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:21:14pm

re: #107 jaunte

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Bill Barr wants to make policy until he gets called to be responsible for it.

Glad she said that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:21:45pm

re: #26 Sir John Barron

Somebody doesn’t understand marginal tax rates.

somebody does not understand taxation or analogies relevant to taxation

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:21:45pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

There’s a lesson here in how quickly King crumpled once his colleagues no longer protected him. All that bravado about white people contributing more to civilization, immigrants being dirt, and “other people’s babies,” gone.

let’s be clear about one thing, in exactly they same way i described trump and those who supported his pu**y grabbing:

if you dont support his banishment and exile from politics and people, you are complicit

if you’re in pictures with King walking around, if you still work for him, if you can boot him the hell out of the chamber and don’t, if you support him in any way at all, then you are a racist

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Sir John Barron  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:21:48pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Yea, yeah I got the West Memphis 3 vibe too. And I agree the focus is much better this time. And honestly I’m not big on Vince Vaughn as a serious actor and while I like Colin Farrell, I feel his strength is in dark comedy.

The Stephen Dorff character seems a little two-dimensional, though. Maybe they’ll flesh his character out a bit later on.

Neat to see Meryl Streep’s daughter in the show (the mother of the lost kids).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:23:03pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

NBC News standards sent guidance to staffers telling them not to call Steve King’s comments racist but instead that reporters should say, “‘what many are calling racist’ or something like that.”

You can call him a “white supremacist” but not a racist?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:23:13pm

re: #99 ObserverArt

If it goes that long, then there is a good chance Trump will not give a SOTU address. He;ll say government is shut down and Democrats are obstructing him so there is no reason for the address.

In other words a temper tantrum. He’s good for those.

So? Let him do that. Holding a temper tantrum would be as effective as giving the speech, which would amount to 90 minutes of whining why the Democrats won’t just cave into his demands.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:23:18pm

re: #109 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

somebody does not understand taxation or analogies relevant to taxation

a smart kid would have asked “what do i get for my seven bucks?”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:23:48pm

re: #111 Sir John Barron

The Stephen Dorff character seems a little two-dimensional, though. Maybe they’ll flesh his character out a bit later on.

Neat to see Meryl Streep’s daughter in the show (the mother of the lost kids).

Oh I didn’t even notice that was Meryl’s daughter but yeah Dorff could improve. I really like Ali’s so far. I also love the setting.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:23:54pm

This snowcat driver has to carry his balls around in a wheelbarrow. This is in the French Alps.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:24:26pm

re: #47 Alephnaught

Corbyn has tabled the motion of no confidence. It’s on tomorrow.

In American English, to “table a motion” means to withdraw it from voting…

learned that the hard way once in a translation

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:25:01pm

Huh, another marquee Fox News show is starting to lose ground in the ratings game to their MSNBC challenger. I’m starting to see a pattern here.

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dirkdigglerjr  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:26:33pm

re: #106 ObserverArt

“I’d piss on the spark plug if I thought it’d do any good!”

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Sir John Barron  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:27:22pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Oh I didn’t even notice that was Meryl’s daughter but yeah Dorff could improve. I really like Ali’s so far. I also love the setting.

I didn’t realize it was her daughter at first either, although I’ve seen her in other things.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:27:51pm

re: #118 Myron Falwell

Huh, another marquee Fox News show is starting to lose ground in the ratings game to their MSNBC challenger. I’m starting to see a pattern here.

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Won’t see Trump talking about that. Not really fond of Joe or Mika tho.

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Archangelus  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:28:54pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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SMOTI still holds a more brutal & delicious ratio to date…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:29:35pm

re: #120 Sir John Barron

I didn’t realize it was her daughter at first either, although I’ve seen her in other things.

I forget what I saw her she in but she does look like her mother when she was younger.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:29:45pm

re: #118 Myron Falwell

Huh, another marquee Fox News show is starting to lose ground in the ratings game to their MSNBC challenger. I’m starting to see a pattern here.

1. Fox isn’t picking up younger viewers.
2. People still want to tune into morning political news.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:30:05pm

re: #114 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

a smart kid would have asked “what do i get for my seven bucks?”

taxation is all about taking away, not paying for things that you might benefit from

/

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TedStriker  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:30:22pm

re: #119 dirkdigglerjr

“I’d piss on the a spark plug if I thought it’d do any good!”

One of the best exchanges in the movie:

General Beringer: Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I’ve come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks.
McKittrick: I don’t have to take that, you pig-eyed sack of shit.
General Beringer: Oh, I was hoping for something a little better than that from you, sir, a man of your education.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:32:21pm
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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:33:03pm

There it is, from the Commandant of the Coast Guard:

McConnell, and to a lesser extent Trump, are really getting dragged in that comment thread. Meanwhile plenty of liberals are showing support for the Coast Guard and its members.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:34:04pm

The probe the Chinese landed on the far side of the moon contains plants: dailykos.com.

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Targetpractice  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:34:06pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

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It’s about as stupid as Half-Scoop talking about how he “taught” hit daughter about socialism by taking her Halloween candy.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:34:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:35:44pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

It’s about as stupid as Half-Scoop talking about how he “taught” hit daughter about socialism by taking her Halloween candy.

Oh yes, I remember that nugget of knowledge. He should have promised to give her good candy and then said “make me in court” because that’s his father’s business model.

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:35:48pm

re: #113 Myron Falwell

So? Let him do that. Holding a temper tantrum would be as effective as giving the speech, which would amount to 90 minutes of whining why the Democrats won’t just cave into his demands.

But in a way it goes to what I was saying. Trump’s base will say Trump is right. The Democrats will say Trump is being a big baby. The middle ground will be further frustrated.

And those not getting paid and served by the closed agencies and the like will just get more mad at everyone.

I see that as no win for anyone and a loss for all. Then those on the right say it’s the left’s fault and the left will say it is the right’s fault. And a greater majority will say fuck ‘em all.

Again…psychopath. Trump doesn’t give a damn and might even enjoy the fact he is fucking with everyone. He sees that as ultimate power.

What we need is someone to make some damn sense that can speak for a majority. I can’t identify who that would even be.

Even if the past presidents get together and try to bring some sense to it all they may be ignored by Trump and McConnell anyway.

I still get the feeling that what we are talking about comes from the initial comment I was basing my original comment on.

Someone is going to have to step forward and stop it from extreme damage. And they most likely will get stomped on by their base for giving in even if it helps actual people with huge concerns.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:35:50pm

re: #128 Anymouse ??

There it is, from the Commandant of the Coast Guard:

McConnell, and to a lesser extent Trump, are really getting dragged in that comment thread. Meanwhile plenty of liberals are showing support for the Coast Guard and its members.

Didn’t he tell them to suck it up on behalf of the Great Wall?

///

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:36:07pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:36:14pm

re: #117 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In American English, to “table a motion” means to withdraw it from voting…

learned that the hard way once in a translation

Not as serious consequences as “mokusatsu” I hope….

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Targetpractice  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:36:28pm

re: #128 Anymouse ??

There it is, from the Commandant of the Coast Guard:

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McConnell, and to a lesser extent Trump, are really getting dragged in that comment thread. Meanwhile plenty of liberals are showing support for the Coast Guard and its members.

Wonder if the local CG station will remember this in November when Donny makes his annual trip to present them with turkey sandwiches for Thanksgiving?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:36:37pm

I’m getting so sick of this fucking shutdown. I am comvinced there are no grownups left in the GOP room.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:36:59pm

re: #138 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m getting so sick of this fucking shutdown. I am comvinced there are no grownups left in the GOP room.

Haven’t been in a long time.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:37:00pm

re: #128 Anymouse ??

There it is, from the Commandant of the Coast Guard:

McConnell, and to a lesser extent Trump, are really getting dragged in that comment thread. Meanwhile plenty of liberals are showing support for the Coast Guard and its members.

If I didn’t know any better, it feels like there is already a growing assignment of decisive blame setting in among the populace for this mess.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:37:25pm

re: #129 Belafon

The probe the Chinese landed on the far side of the moon contains plants: dailykos.com.

Wow, not that’s a great leap forward….

Too soon?

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Targetpractice  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:38:29pm

re: #135 FormerDirtDart ????

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“We condemn white supremacy…for some reason. We can’t really express why we decided to have this resolution voted upon, but we are voting and we condemn white supremacy!”

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:40:27pm

re: #82 Sir John Barron

I totally agree.

Also think the storyline is really intriguing. Not just an evil guy or people out there, but something weirder.

Thought at first they were trying to mimic the true life story of the three kids murdered in West Memphis, Arkansas (the case of the so-called Satanic Ritual murders). And that might underlie the story a bit, but its going in a rather different direction than that.

Narrowing the focus to one main character instead of 7 like TD2 did, also helps.

Also watched The Bodyguard series on Netflix. That was quite good.

I only saw the first episode; what I took from it was that they were returning to the distant past/past/present narrative structure, and using amazing matchfades and voiceovers to show how the past bleeds over into the present, all in the persona of one tortured cop.

And yeah, the parallels to the “Murder in Paradise” case, set outside Fayetteville, Ark., was not lost on me - the three teenage metalheads, the murdered kids … there’s a lot of really intense source material to mine there.

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Citizen K  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:40:38pm

I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised, but the original tweet’s replies are a trashfire absolving the guy of all blame and saying the girl shouldn’t have been “raging around” and thus deserved to get punched.

Because yes, we’re still at a point in this country where it’s ok for an adult male to punch an 11 year old girl, long as she’s black.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:40:53pm

re: #131 FormerDirtDart ????

Yes, that is in fact huge news.

Holy shit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:40:55pm

re: #136 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Not as serious consequences as “mokusatsu” I hope….

my worst came with a false cognate, “eventually” in English and “eventuell” in German.

The English means simply “as events pass” or “gradually” while the German version means more “depending on the outcome of events”. That led to a big blowup at some business negotiations I was interpreting for…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:42:06pm

re: #144 Citizen K

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I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised, but the original tweet’s replies are a trashfire absolving the guy of all blame and saying the girl shouldn’t have been “raging around” and thus deserved to get punched.

Because yes, we’re still at a point in this country where it’s ok for an adult male to punch an 11 year old girl, long as she’s black.

FFS.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:43:25pm

I try not even to lose my cool with my niece to the point of yelling or cursing. I can’t imsgine laying a finger on her.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:43:46pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:43:52pm

re: #140 Myron Falwell

If I didn’t know any better, it feels like there is already a growing assignment of decisive blame setting in among the populace for this mess.

I hope so!!!

Maybe that will bring the Republican senate to its senses.

It won’t do anything to Trump. Nothing is ever his fault.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:43:53pm

re: #144 Citizen K

I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised, but the original tweet’s replies are a trashfire absolving the guy of all blame and saying the girl shouldn’t have been “raging around” and thus deserved to get punched.

Because yes, we’re still at a point in this country where it’s ok for an adult male to punch an 11 year old girl, long as she’s black.

And these are the same people who get upset at Gillette razor ads that admonish men to behave more responsibly toward others

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:44:45pm

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And these are the same people who get upset at Gillette razor ads that admonish men to behave more responsibly toward others

The very same.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:45:37pm

re: #149 DodgerFan1988

Nobel Prize-winning scientist who discovered DNA,
James Watson, was stripped of honorary titles by the New York lab he once headed for falsifying the data of black people’s IQ in an attempt to use science to justify white supremacy.

What gets me is that we still have people who assume that relative results of written IQ tests represent the difference in relative intelligence 1:1

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:45:47pm

re: #149 DodgerFan1988

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Proof brilliance in one field doesn’t mean squat about character.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:46:28pm

re: #146 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

my worst came with a false cognate, “eventually” in English and “eventuell” in German.

The English means simply “as events pass” or “gradually” while the German version means more “depending on the outcome of events”. That led to a big blowup at some business negotiations I was interpreting for…

This may be a legend, but supposedly in Yorkshire dialect, “till” means “while”. The story is that a Yorkshire supervisor told his southern English assistant not to light a fire under the boiler “till” it was empty, and…something ensued—not hilarity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:46:31pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Proof brilliance in one field doesn’t mean squat about character.

And that knowledge about the mechanics of DNA does not make one an expert on population genetics.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:46:53pm

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And that knowledge about the mechanics of DNA does not make one an expert on population genetics.

Definitely

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TedStriker  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:47:17pm

re: #144 Citizen K

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I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised, but the original tweet’s replies are a trashfire absolving the guy of all blame and saying the girl shouldn’t have been “raging around” and thus deserved to get punched.

Because yes, we’re still at a point in this country where it’s ok for an adult male to punch an 11 year old girl, long as she’s black.

Because 11-year-old black girls are all 7 feet tall, 300 pounds, and built like a MMA fighter.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:47:21pm

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What gets me is that we still have people who assume that relative results of written IQ tests represent the difference in relative intelligence 1:1

Most of the engineers, scientists, teachers, businesspeople, whites, etc, are heavily invested in that being true. We’re taught it from childhood.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:48:36pm

re: #138 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m getting so sick of this fucking shutdown. I am comvinced there are no grownups left in the GOP room.

They’re grown-ups. They’re seeking a one-party state. McConnell has been effectively a dictator since he became Majority Leader.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:49:59pm

re: #155 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

This may be a legend, but supposedly in Yorkshire dialect, “till” means “while”. The story is that a Yorkshire supervisor told his southern English assistant not to light a fire under the boiler “till” it was empty, and…something ensued—not hilarity.

My sister-in-law speaks thick Glaswegian and once asked me what I though was “Do you want some tea?”

I told her that I was not thirsty.

Turns out she was offering food: “Do you want some(thing) tea(t)?

I learned that the *thing* (more of a *pm*) was replaced by a nasal exhalation and the final *t* by a swallowed glottal stop…

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:51:18pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:51:25pm

re: #149 DodgerFan1988

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As PZ said, Lucky Jim’s luck finally ran out.

Don’t slight him—he was a raging misogynist, too.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:53:34pm

re: #149 DodgerFan1988

Well hell.
I thought he had just made comments alluding that black people had lower IQs. Didn’t realize he had faked studies to support it.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:54:01pm

re: #150 ObserverArt

I hope so!!!

Maybe that will bring the Republican senate to its senses.

It won’t do anything to Trump. Nothing is ever his fault.

I 100% agree with you that one more lost paycheck will result in hell to pay. But with the way public opinion is solidly stacked on this, it won’t be “all are to blame” but the Senate GOP specifically.

I wouldn’t feel that way if both-sider-ism and whataboutism was showing up more in the polls, or if there weren’t more consistent showings that pin it solidly on Trump and the GOP. But neither of which is the case here.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:54:54pm

re: #162 Single-handed sailor

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OFFS but yeah both parties are the same.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:55:19pm

re: #164 FormerDirtDart ????

Well hell.
I thought he had just made comments alluding that black people had lower IQs. Didn’t realize he had faked studies to support it.

Same.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:55:36pm

re: #163 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

As PZ said, Lucky Jim’s luck finally ran out.

Don’t slight him—he was a raging misogynist, too.

I had heard that too.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 15, 2019 • 12:58:21pm

Navy doesn’t take kindly to future federal convict complaining about conditions under which it holds suspect murderers awaiting Courts-martial

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:00:37pm

re: #164 FormerDirtDart ????

Well hell.
I thought he had just made comments alluding that black people had lower IQs. Didn’t realize he had faked studies to support it.

I was unaware of that; I thought it was just some recent comment(s) he’d made. Falsifying data? Yeah, that’s seriously messed up.

He’s a charlatan.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:00:54pm
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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:01:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:02:39pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

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It’s called checks and balances, you hack.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:02:46pm

My most popular tweet to date!

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:03:03pm

re: #162 Single-handed sailor

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yes i’m talking about like the two people flanking king in that photo

re: #110 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:03:34pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

Judge with a lifetime appointment to enforce the law, Barr doesn’t understand why judges just don’t roll over on illegal political positions.

A variant of the conservative “nine unelected justices on the Supreme Court” argument.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:03:35pm

re: #174 NO SMOCKING GUN!

My most popular tweet to date!

Every once in a while i’m sorry I killed off my twitter.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:03:40pm

re: #149 DodgerFan1988

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GOOD!

But, just to clarify, James Watson didn’t “discover DNA”. DNA had been known about for a long, long time. What he and Francis Crick did, with the help of Maurice Wilkins after stealing a look at Rosalind Franklin’s X-Ray Crystallography, was to deduce the double-helical structure, which then allowed everyone to figure out how it worked.

Earlier Hershey-Chase experiments had already demonstrated that DNA was the molecule that carried inheritance, but nobody knew how that worked.

And Watson is an unrepentant racist. Fuck him.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:03:43pm

re: #174 NO SMOCKING GUN!

My most popular tweet to date!

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Bullshit Dickie. Meanwhile you were supporting Russia’s choices in the German elections.

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gwangung  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:05:48pm

re: #178 Blind Frog Belly White

And Watson is an unrepentant racist. Fuck him.

And unrepentant misogynist. Women are deservedly irritated that this wasn’t a trigger, but racism was.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:06:04pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

I kinda think if the Judge doesn’t really have the information Barr thinks he needs to make that decision, that’s a failure of the DOJ to provide it, not a failure of the system to allow the Judge to make that ruling.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:07:21pm

re: #180 gwangung

And unrepentant misogynist. Women are deservedly irritated that this wasn’t a trigger, but racism was.

THAT, I didn’t know about it, but misogyny and racism are frequent comorbidities.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:08:38pm

re: #182 Blind Frog Belly White

THAT, I didn’t know about it, but misogyny and racism are frequent comorbidities.

(Usually seen in white guys who need to believe in their own inherent superiority to justify the system that puts them on top)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:10:23pm

re: #177 Unshaken Defiance

Every once in a while i’m sorry I killed off my twitter.

I didn’t do twitter for a long time, because I didn’t really get it, but now I do I’m reading it all the time. Lot’s of smart people providing timely info.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:10:37pm

re: #182 Blind Frog Belly White

THAT, I didn’t know about it, but misogyny and racism are frequent comorbidities.

For sure.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:11:36pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

What information did Donnie have before he issued the ban?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:13:08pm

re: #186 Sir John Barron

What information did Donnie have before he issued the ban?

Stephen Miller’s fat mouth.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:13:37pm

re: #186 Sir John Barron

What information did Donnie have before he issued the ban?

1) That his troglodyte followers hate and fear swarthy foreigners.
2) See #1.

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wrenchwench  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:15:28pm

re: #182 Blind Frog Belly White

THAT, I didn’t know about it, but misogyny and racism are frequent comorbidities.

Cause or correlation: Underlying persistence of cognitive deficits.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:19:48pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:21:19pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:21:24pm

You gotta figure Watson will become, if he isn’t already, a walking, talking Argumentum ad Verecundiam fallacy for the white supremacist crowd: “James Watson is a genius.! James Watson is a racist. Therefore racism is true.”

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:22:00pm
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lawhawk  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:22:32pm

Brexit needs to die a swift death at this time, and mea culpas extended to the EU over this shitshow that was foisted on the British people.

The British people better be asking deep probing questions as to who was pushing the lies that convinced so many to quit the EU instead of staying in.

They were sold a lie that it would generate money for NHS. They rode around in buses saying just that. That was a lie - the proponents admitted as much.

So, who was really driving this schism in the EU?

My guess? Russia - mainly on who benefits from the weakened EU and UK.

It dovetails nicely with Russia’s other moves internationally to cleave the US from NATO/EU and our strategic partners, and to insert chaos all over the place thanks to the Trumpworld vision for the world that oddly coincides with what Russia prefers.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:23:21pm

re: #149 DodgerFan1988

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As PZ said, Lucky Jim’s luck finally ran out.

Don’t slight him—he was a raging misogynist, too.re: #178 Blind Frog Belly White

GOOD!

But, just to clarify, James Watson didn’t “discover DNA”. DNA had been known about for a long, long time. What he and Francis Crick did, with the help of Maurice Wilkins after stealing a look at Rosalind Franklin’s X-Ray Crystallography, was to deduce the double-helical structure, which then allowed everyone to figure out how it worked.

Earlier Hershey-Chase experiments had already demonstrated that DNA was the molecule that carried inheritance, but nobody knew how that worked.

And Watson is an unrepentant racist. Fuck him.

Oswald Avery really proved that in 1944, but nobody wanted to believe it, because how could such a simple molecule carry heredity, instead of the huge, complex proteins?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:23:45pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:24:33pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:24:53pm

re: #194 lawhawk

I’m getting a bad feeling Brexit is still going to go ahead with no deal. That’s when the shit will really make contact with the European fan.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:24:58pm

re: #193 Anymouse ??

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This guy is such a hack. No, it’s not a “great argument for small government”. But go ahead stay in your bubble if it makes you feel better.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:25:37pm

re: #197 Patricia Kayden

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Glad he’s sticking with it and not giving into pressure. He knows a lot of shit happened and that the road probably leads directly back to Trump.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:26:22pm

re: #193 Anymouse ??

That’s really a dumb argument. That’s like saying, “I didn’t pay my gas bill yet, and they didn’t turn the gas off yet, so clearly I don’t need to ever pay my gas bill!”

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lawhawk  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:27:09pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

I’m getting a bad feeling Brexit is still going to go ahead with no deal. That’s when the shit will really make contact with the European fan.

I happen to agree. The backers of Brexit are convinced of making it happen. There’s a few on the EU side who want to teach the UK a lesson - and to use them as an example to everyone else who might think that they can just up and leave.

But I really think the Brits need to launch an investigation into who precisely was backing this and follow the money wherever it leads. It just screams Russia and it’d be something they’d try.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:27:35pm

Wouldn’t that be some shit, though, if they hold another referendum and Brexit is defeated this time? Can I request being reposted to that timeline?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:27:54pm

re: #201 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s really a dumb argument. That’s like saying, “I didn’t pay my gas bill yet, and they didn’t turn the gas off yet, so clearly I don’t need to ever pay my gas bill!”

For people who contend liberals are out of touch, libertarians or conservatives or whatever the hell Rubin the former Young Turd is calling himself these days do a great job themselves whenever they talk about government.

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lawhawk  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:28:07pm

Current tweet ratio on the Walker tax argle bargle:

Reply 9.5K Retweet 577 Like 2.8K

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:29:31pm

re: #205 lawhawk

Current tweet ratio on the Walker tax argle bargle:

Reply 9.5K Retweet 577 Like 2.8K

Because most people know a moronic analogy when they see it by a guy who spent much of his career in government actling like government is awful.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:29:42pm

re: #202 lawhawk

I happen to agree. The backers of Brexit are convinced of making it happen. There’s a few on the EU side who want to teach the UK a lesson - and to use them as an example to everyone else who might think that they can just up and leave.

But I really think the Brits need to launch an investigation into who precisely was backing this and follow the money wherever it leads. It just screams Russia and it’d be something they’d try.

If only Labour had anybody in charge rather than an old-school Bolshy like Corbyn….

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:30:23pm

re: #207 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If only Labour had anybody in charge rather than an old-school Bolshy like Corbyn….

Seriously. As much as I hated his Iraq War advocacy, I’d take Blair over Corbyn.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:32:47pm

re: #203 Charles Johnson

Wouldn’t that be some shit, though, if they hold another referendum and Brexit is defeated this time? Can I request being reposted to that timeline?

A few days ago, I would have said that was out of the question. Now I’m not so sure. This was a yooge defeat for the Government.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:33:23pm

I think Brexit would fail if attempted again just like I think Scottish independence would pass if done again.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:33:29pm
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Dr. Matt  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:38:15pm

If you took all the racists, misogynists, and bigots out of the republican party, there wouldn’t be enough people left to fill an outhouse at a construction site.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:38:32pm

re: #193 Anymouse ??

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Wonder what that ass will say when he comes down with food poisoning?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:39:44pm

re: #193 Anymouse ??

The folly of libertarianism, example eleventy billion

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ericblair  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:41:26pm

re: #202 lawhawk

I happen to agree. The backers of Brexit are convinced of making it happen. There’s a few on the EU side who want to teach the UK a lesson - and to use them as an example to everyone else who might think that they can just up and leave.

But I really think the Brits need to launch an investigation into who precisely was backing this and follow the money wherever it leads. It just screams Russia and it’d be something they’d try.

Here ya go. Diamonds, guns and Russian cash: The extraordinary new claims against Arron Banks

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:42:29pm

Trumps goons are going to suppress the Mueller report aren’t they?

Fucking dicks.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:42:36pm

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:43:33pm

re: #214 Myron Falwell

The folly of libertarianism, example eleventy billion

They aren’t worried about SNAP money running out next month either, since that very scenario is the reason they have been hoarding guns and ammo for years on end. They are in for a rude surprise when the starving masses don’t swarm zombie-like right into the suburban firestorm set out to greet them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:43:50pm

re: #199 HappyWarrior

This guy is such a hack. No, it’s not a “great argument for small government”. But go ahead stay in your bubble if it makes you feel better.

It’s a great argument for small government till some uninspected, contaminated food kills some people.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:45:20pm

re: #217 Dave In Austin

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“He asked for a five, but I wouldn’t pay.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:45:30pm

re: #219 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s a great argument for small government till some uninspected, contaminated food kills some people.

And then people like Dave are eager to blame the government “WHERE WERE THEY?” Libertarian purism doesn’t work. It’s too bad because the ideology isn’t all wrong but when it’s wrong, holy fuck is it wrong.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:48:49pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

And then people like Dave are eager to blame the government “WHERE WERE THEY?” Libertarian purism doesn’t work. It’s too bad because the ideology isn’t all wrong but when it’s wrong, holy fuck is it wrong.

“We have government inspections and still people die from contaminated food, so clearly they’re not doing any good” is not an argument that actually makes sense.

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lawhawk  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:49:01pm

Doubly true considering that everyone is talking about Emoluments considering Trump’s repeatedly violated that clause (and his oath of office) since day one.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:51:03pm

re: #222 Blind Frog Belly White

“We have government inspections and still people die from contaminated food, so clearly they’re not doing any good” is not an argument that actually makes sense.

Exactly. It’s incredibly dumb and naive and comes from an extremely naive interpretation of government.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:51:43pm

re: #216 Eclectic Cyborg

Trumps goons are going to suppress the Mueller report aren’t they?

Fucking dicks.

Or they make bullying threats to suppress but, surprise surprise, never seem to actually follow through.

The end game still feels like it’s always been: just making any and all moves and motions to label this a partisan witch-hunt deep state thing blah blah blah. There may and will be some attempts at suppression, but it ultimately won’t work. Someone is going to leak it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:51:50pm

re: #223 lawhawk

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Doubly true considering that everyone is talking about Emoluments considering Trump’s repeatedly violated that clause (and his oath of office) since day one.

Such a load of shit. I believe he has read it but playing dumb is better.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:53:46pm

My most popular tweet. 219 retweets, 1,206 likes.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:54:13pm

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Such a load of shit. I believe he has read it but playing dumb is better.

Someone should remind Barr that he’s not auditioning for It Pays To Be Ignorant!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:56:04pm

re: #216 Eclectic Cyborg

Trumps goons are going to suppress the Mueller report aren’t they?

Fucking dicks.

they will do all they can to leak, tamper and discredit it so that the GOP can ignore it and pretend that nothing happened

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:56:53pm
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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:57:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:58:19pm

re: #227 teleskiguy

My most popular tweet. 219 retweets, 1,206 likes.

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Mind if I add something else, she was born in 1900-01, she probably met someone who lived in the 1700’s possibly and she probably met a child now that will be alive in the 2100’s. Your perspective on it is great too. It’s how I think about my third grandmother born in 1817 who died in 1908. She was born in a part of Ireland that only spoke Irish, very rural and spent her last years in industrial Pittsburgh after the Wright Brothers flew.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 1:59:56pm

My favorite longevity story is our own SK’s about his elderly neighbor who had seen and or met Abraham Lincoln and passing that on to his grandkids.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:00:06pm

re: #214 Myron Falwell

the only real consistency with Libertarian believers is their behavior of running away from any and all actual real world responsibility.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:00:38pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Mind if I add something else, she was born in 1900-01, she probably met someone who lived in the 1700’s possibly and she probably met a child now that will be alive in the 2100’s. Your perspective on it is great too. It’s how I think about my third grandmother born in 1817 who died in 1908. She was born in a part of Ireland that only spoke Irish, very rural and spent her last years in industrial Pittsburgh after the Wright Brothers flew.

All the people like 3 out of 4 of my grandparents who were born into a world where no human had ever flown, and lived to see men walk on the moon.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:01:00pm

re: #235 Rocky-in-Connecticut

the only real consistency with Libertarian believers is their behavior of running away from any and all actual real world responsibility.

It’s a lot like Marxism in a lot of ways in how its adherents approach it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:02:06pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

It’s a lot like Marxism in a lot of ways in how its adherents approach it.

I’ve said before that both Marxism and Libertarianism work great till the first guy figures out how to cheat.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:02:35pm

re: #236 Blind Frog Belly White

All the people like 3 out of 4 of my grandparents who were born into a world where no human had ever flown, and lived to see men walk on the moon.

Yep. Absolutely. My Dad’s and Mom’s grandparents were all gone by Apollo 11 but Great Nanna was alive when John Glenn went to space. Dad’s Grandfather though. Born two years before the telephone lived into the age of television.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:02:44pm

re: #201 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s really a dumb argument. That’s like saying, “I didn’t pay my gas bill yet, and they didn’t turn the gas off yet, so clearly I don’t need to ever pay my gas bill!”

Plus a bunch of libertarians in that thread are arguing that “we need to get rid of the FDA” (having apparently never read Upton Sinclair and why the so-called free market won’t sell tainted products).

On top of that, a woman weighed in on her husband being furloughed (his job is to track child traffickers or child sexual abusers), with a bunch of libertarians weighing in on the talking point there should be no statutory rape or child sex assault laws.

Sovereign citizen types are also weighing in saying there should be no government higher than the county.

It is a first class parade of every bad idea libertarianism has to offer.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:02:51pm

re: #238 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve said before that both Marxism and Libertarianism work great till the first guy figures out how to cheat.

That’s a good way of looking at it.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:04:07pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:04:38pm

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My sister-in-law speaks thick Glaswegian and once asked me what I though was “Do you want some tea?”

I told her that I was not thirsty.

Turns out she was offering food: “Do you want some(thing) tea(t)?

I learned that the *thing* (more of a *pm*) was replaced by a nasal exhalation and the final *t* by a swallowed glottal stop…

I once lived below an Australian couple who invited me to tea. So I ate my dinner and went up to find a full meal waiting for me.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:04:45pm

re: #242 jaunte

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Barr only got this job for one reason for kissing Trump’s ass.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:05:34pm

re: #212 Dr. Matt

If you took all the racists, misogynists, and bigots out of the republican party, there wouldn’t be enough people left to fill an outhouse at a construction site.

A lot of them would join the Libertarian Party.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:05:39pm
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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:06:29pm

re: #238 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve said before that both Marxism and Libertarianism work great till the first guy figures out how to cheat.

Or the first group comes along with weapons and an organisation which knows how to use them.

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piratedan  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:08:51pm

re: #246 jaunte

it’s purely a coincidence that the Trump Administration apparently employed so many “witches” and Barr is obviously a champion of civil rights for all by being “witch-tolerant”….

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:10:15pm

Comprehensively awful.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:11:55pm

re: #222 Blind Frog Belly White

“We have government inspections and still people die from contaminated food, so clearly they’re not doing any good” is not an argument that actually makes sense.

No different than gun nuts: We have gun laws and people are still killed with guns, so clearly gun laws don’t do any good.

Both are all-or-nothing arguments. You could use the same for drunk drive laws, speeding laws, insider trading laws, &c.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:12:14pm

Oops, not what I meant to post. Never mind…

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:13:05pm
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Dr. Matt  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:13:21pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Mind if I add something else, she was born in 1900-01, she probably met someone who lived in the 1700’s possibly and she probably met a child now that will be alive in the 2100’s. Your perspective on it is great too. It’s how I think about my third grandmother born in 1817 who died in 1908. She was born in a part of Ireland that only spoke Irish, very rural and spent her last years in industrial Pittsburgh after the Wright Brothers flew.

And she likely met veterans of the Civil War, Spanish-American War, Great War, WWII, Korea, VN, etc.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:13:43pm

re: #249 jaunte

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Comprehensively awful.

And the fucking traitors in the GOP are going to confirm him.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:14:52pm
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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:14:52pm

re: #242 jaunte

Get Republicans on record voting for him.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:15:53pm

re: #250 Anymouse ??

No different than gun nuts: We have gun laws and people are still killed with guns, so clearly gun laws don’t do any good.

Both are all-or-nothing arguments. You could use the same for drunk drive laws, speeding laws, insider trading laws, &c.

They only do it with the things they don’t like. Some people I know are using that gun that got by the TSA’s eye to go SEE CLOSE THE TSA. And you know what, the TSA has problems but that’s not a valid argument.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:16:27pm

re: #255 Barefoot Grin

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But they were happy about it. // But yeah I think that’s the thing aside from the food itself. That food was far from hot.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:20:35pm

The crux of how I see many libertarians and conservatives approach government is this didn’t work so shut it down entirely when it would be more practical to tweak it.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:20:49pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:21:09pm

Barr’s just a bully like his would-be/soon-to-be boss. Doesn’t matter if he has no idea what his job means or if he can/can’t do this or that. Talking a good game means way more.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:21:39pm
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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:23:56pm
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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:25:27pm
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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:25:56pm
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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:26:07pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:26:15pm

re: #263 Anymouse ??

I mean, it appears that Gillette isn’t a good product for sensitive skin after all.

I am not about to research the sales figures, but I am sure that Gillette sells as many or more razors to women than it does to men. There is some thought behind this marketing.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:26:48pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:27:16pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

But they were happy about it. // But yeah I think that’s the thing aside from the food itself. That food was far from hot.

Hell, I like the Burger King whopper except for one thing: they are not hot even one minute after they are made!

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:27:53pm

I see another day of being completely disgusted and watching our democracy wither away because one party is the party of Russia not America.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:28:54pm

Huh! “Virginia Senate passes ERA resolution by 26-14 vote”
richmond.com

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:29:50pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:30:46pm

re: #272 jaunte

With Super Bowl activities in Atlanta in two weeks, that’s a high probability.

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rhuarc  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:32:11pm

re: #272 jaunte

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TSA workers remaining at their posts is the main reason government shutdowns keep happening. If those workers stopped working and all airline traffic came to a halt into and out of this country the shutdown would end in 5 minutes with a complete capitulation by the Republicans. And no shutdown would ever happen again if it was guaranteed they would stop working.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:33:02pm

re: #271 Myron Falwell

Huh! “Virginia Senate passes ERA resolution by 26-14 vote”
richmond.com

Of my state Senator opposed this. Awesome news.

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Skip Intro  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:34:24pm

re: #273 Myron Falwell

With Super Bowl activities in Atlanta in two weeks, that’s a high probability.

So we get saved because of a stupid fucking football game? Sweet creeping Jesus this country is fucked.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:35:37pm

An Open Letter To Men Irreparably Traumatized By The Recent Gillette Ad (Wonkette)

Dear Manosphere (and Piers Morgan):

It has come to our attention that you are extremely distraught over a recent ad from a razor company. An ad that encouraged you to take said razors and slice off your own testicles with them so that you will be better suited to live in modern society and delight us all as members of a castrati choir. An advertisement that demanded you be “weak, spineless, sobbing wrecks” instead of the manly men you were meant to be. An advertisement that demanded you wear pink all of the time whether it goes with your complexion or not. An advertisement that chastised you for historically fighting in wars started by other dudes.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:36:41pm
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retired cynic  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:37:12pm

Thanks to Clay Bennett, via Juanita Jean:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:37:31pm

re: #277 Anymouse ??

An Open Letter To Men Irreparably Traumatized By The Recent Gillette Ad (Wonkette)

Dear Manosphere (and Piers Morgan):

It has come to our attention that you are extremely distraught over a recent ad from a razor company. An ad that encouraged you to take said razors and slice off your own testicles with them so that you will be better suited to live in modern society and delight us all as members of a castrati choir. An advertisement that demanded you be “weak, spineless, sobbing wrecks” instead of the manly men you were meant to be. An advertisement that demanded you wear pink all of the time whether it goes with your complexion or not. An advertisement that chastised you for historically fighting in wars started by other dudes.

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That ad wasn’t directed at those men. God some dudes are so fucking whiny.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:37:55pm

re: #278 MsJ

Harry K with the “if you don’t have a perfect solution, don’t even mention the problem” dodge.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:38:20pm

re: #278 MsJ

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Love that answer. That’s a good one.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:38:39pm

re: #281 jaunte

Harry K with the “if you don’t have a perfect solution, don’t even mention the problem” dodge.

She answered it very well imo.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:39:21pm

re: #274 rhuarc

TSA workers remaining at their posts is the main reason government shutdowns keep happening. If those workers stopped working and all airline traffic came to a halt into and out of this country the shutdown would end in 5 minutes with a complete capitulation by the Republicans. And no shutdown would ever happen again if it was guaranteed they would stop working.

That’s the problem, they can’t strike en masse. But at the rate we’re going, they may as well say “fuck it” and walk off entirely.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:39:43pm

I don’t see Germans crying about saying Never Agsin being an attack on the German people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:41:34pm

re: #278 MsJ

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Somewhere between “teachers shouldn’t have to sell their own blood to make rent” & “billionaires with helipads and full-time workers on food stamps shouldn’t exist in the same society”

She does not suffer fools gladly…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:42:28pm

re: #286 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She does not suffer fools gladly…

She deals with a lot of them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:42:32pm

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:42:49pm

re: #284 Myron Falwell

That’s the problem, they can’t strike en masse. But at the rate we’re going, they may as well say “fuck it” and walk off entirely.

If they cannot eat properly or pay their heating bills, they will all come down with colds and bowel problems and have to call in sick…

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:44:17pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:45:00pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

I don’t see Germans crying about saying Never Again being an attack on the German people.

I was impressed to hear Joschka Fischer, member of the pacifist Green Party and Foreign Minister in the German Government in the 90’s and early aughts, remind them that pacifism does not just mean “No more War” , it also means “No More Auschwitzes”.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:45:01pm

The way things are going, Republicans won’t allow elections in 2020. They’ll be fucking done, well done, stick a fork in them done and they know it.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:45:56pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:46:10pm

As said last night, sure, Trump could fire all the TSA screeners if they walk out. But who’d want to screen bags at airports for 12 hours with no pay? I’m sure all the National Guards would be thrilled to do stuff like that for weeks on end ///

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:47:28pm

re: #291 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was impressed to hear Joschka Fischer, member of the pacifist Green Party and Foreign Minister in the German Government in the 90’s and early aughts, remind them that pacifism does not just mean “No more War” , it also means “No More Auschwitzes”.

Germany as you know has documentation centers throughout about that era. They don’t see acknowledging Nazism as an attack on German identity and nor should they.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:47:46pm

re: #294 Myron Falwell

As said last night, sure, Trump could fire all the TSA screeners if they walk out. But who’d want to screen bags at airports for 12 hours with no pay? I’m sure all the National Guards would be thrilled to do stuff like that for weeks on end ///

Well, TSA folding would constitute a viable national emergency…

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:48:08pm

re: #290 MsJ

Eric’s 100% right. We’re looking at a zombie president* right now.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:48:43pm

@joshtpm
God, the GOP is just pathetic. Trying to be as focused as possible. Talking about the current electeds. But here we are, begging federal employees to resort to civil disobedience to get them off their own sorry asses.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:48:49pm

re: #290 MsJ

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:48:56pm

re: #297 Myron Falwell

Eric’s 100% right. We’re looking at a zombie president* right now.

Yet he continues to fuck up America.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:49:26pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:49:29pm

re: #296 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Well, TSA folding would constitute a viable national emergency…

…BINGO!

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Dr. Matt  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:49:41pm

re: #294 Myron Falwell

As said last night, sure, Trump could fire all the TSA screeners if they walk out. But who’d want to screen bags at airports for 12 hours with no pay? I’m sure all the National Guards would be thrilled to do stuff like that for weeks on end ///

And frankly, I wouldn’t want some untrained weekend warrior sitting in front of the “x-ray” screen deciding which carry-ons are safe to pass.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:50:04pm

re: #297 Myron Falwell

Eric’s 100% right. We’re looking at a zombie president* right now.

Do not misunderestimate him or his party. As Prez and CinC he still has a lot of aces up his sleeve and he is not cornered enough just yet to start pulling them out. They might be more catastrophic than effective, but remember, chaos and misinformation are easier to generate than order and truth.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:51:17pm

re: #304 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Do not misunderestimate him or his party. As Prez and CinC he still has a lot of aces up his sleeve and he is not cornered enough just yet to start pulling them out. They might be more catastrophic than effective, but remember, chaos and misinformation are easier to generate than order and truth.

You keep on saying that. I think you’re overestimating him at this point.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:51:26pm

Another memory hole to go down.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:51:49pm

re: #300 MsJ

Yet he continues to fuck up America.

He was never going to go quietly into the good night. Nor is his party.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:52:22pm

re: #306 MsJ

Another memory hole to go down.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:53:14pm

re: #306 MsJ

Rabbit ears.

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:53:19pm

Some of you might find this segment of Nicole Wallace’s Deadline Washington from today very interesting coming from two (former?) Republicans, Nicole the host and Elise Jordan.

It has to do with Steve King and his racism and the party that has covered for him. Their comments could have been posted here at LGF.

I set the video to play this segment only, but if anyone wants to watch the whole show just drag the time handle all the way to the left.

FULL Deadline White House 01/15/19 | Nicolle Wallace MSNBC News Today Jan 15, 2019

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:53:46pm

re: #303 Dr. Matt

And frankly, I wouldn’t want some untrained weekend warrior sitting in front of the “x-ray” screen deciding which carry-ons are safe to pass.

But yeah just privatize airline security.//

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:54:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:55:14pm

re: #312 teleskiguy

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Jay C  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:56:36pm

re: #313 HappyWarrior

I nearly went with Ren and Stimpy. Brother and sister in law got me a t shirt for Christmas.

Happy Happy!! Joy Joy!! (?)

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:56:48pm
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Dr. Matt  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:57:05pm

re: #312 teleskiguy

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:57:43pm

re: #314 Jay C

Happy Happy!! Joy Joy!! (?)

Unfortunately not with that. I used to play that for my niece when she was little tho.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:57:54pm

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:58:40pm

BLUF Dotard retweeted Jr tweeting out Daily Caller oped from a writer claiming to be an anonymous senior member of his administration

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 2:59:36pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

You keep on saying that. I think you’re overestimating him at this point.

I can speak from experience. I knew a bully like Trump who acted exactly in the same manner and behavior. He used his bullying to instill fear in people, myself included. It took some time but his threats were empty. He came crashing down, hard, and wound up in federal prison.

People like Trump pose a threat, sure! But a lot of the fears are overblown once you realize that his bark is much worse than his toothless bite.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:00:22pm

re: #306 MsJ

Another memory hole to go down.

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Instant Insanity

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:00:47pm

re: #315 MsJ

Duck and cover

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:01:29pm

I literally know no one who remembers Fred. Not even my husband.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:01:42pm

re: #319 FormerDirtDart ????

BLUF Dotard retweeted Jr tweeting out Daily Caller oped from a writer claiming to be an anonymous senior member of his administration

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Such a miserable asshole. I hope Kim gives Jr crabs.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:02:03pm

re: #318 goddamnedfrank

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

Gone. What was it?

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NoSoapForYou  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:02:42pm

Hey! Smell me. I think I got a tweet block by the Prez.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:02:47pm

re: #320 Myron Falwell

I can speak from experience. I knew a bully like Trump who acted exactly in the same manner and behavior. He used his bullying to instill fear in people, myself included. It took some time but his threats were empty. He came crashing down, hard, and wound up in federal prison.

People like Trump pose a threat, sure! But a lot of the fears are overblown once you realize that his bark is much worse than his toothless bite.

I just refuse to let his bullying scare me. He got lucky in November 2016 and he’s had few political victories since then.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:03:28pm

re: #306 MsJ

Another memory hole to go down.

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“So there I was, nowhere near a payphone, when the rear derailleur cable broke, so I had to jury rig the chain to make it a one speed and get home on that.”

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:03:56pm

re: #320 Myron Falwell

I can speak from experience. I knew a bully like Trump who acted exactly in the same manner and behavior. He used his bullying to instill fear in people, myself included. It took some time but his threats were empty. He came crashing down, hard, and wound up in federal prison.

People like Trump pose a threat, sure! But a lot of the fears are overblown once you realize that his bark is much worse than his toothless bite.

To prove I’m not just blowing smoke, here’s the proof. This guy, Dan Barnicle, was under FBI surveillance for a whole bunch of shit and never disclosed it to the community college he enrolled at, nor to the student union when he ran for the campus student government. He was every bit a fraud as Trump was, and a bully to me and my friends. The way he came down gives me hope.

blog.cleveland.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:05:23pm

Jr should find other work other than being a pathetic ass kisser for his Dad but I get it he’s never worked a honest day in his life being a Trump.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:06:59pm

re: #306 MsJ

Another memory hole to go down.

Without saying how old you are, name one thing from your childhood someone younger wouldn’t understand.

— Aaron M. Sanchez

The switchboard telephone operator in our town’s cooperative telephone company, and having “12” as a phone number.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:06:59pm

re: #306 MsJ

Another memory hole to go down.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:08:22pm

re: #315 MsJ

Without saying how old you are, name one thing from your childhood someone younger wouldn’t understand.

Untangling the telephone receiver cord.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:08:50pm

re: #333 jaunte

Untangling the telephone receiver cord.

Plenty of young people here get that.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:08:51pm

re: #331 Anymouse ??

The switchboard telephone operator in our town’s cooperative telephone company, and having “12” as a phone number.

Party lines.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:09:11pm

re: #332 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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OMG! I do not remember that!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:09:19pm

re: #306 MsJ

Another memory hole to go down.

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“We control the vertical. We control the horizontal”

Not just that nobody would know “The Outer Limits”, but more that TVs don’t have cathode ray tubes anymore, hence no Vertical Control or Horizontal Control.

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:09:33pm

re: #334 Anymouse ??

Playing with the Maytag mercury switch.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:09:40pm

re: #312 teleskiguy

They still slime on the Nickelodeon award shows so I had to explain to my kids why.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:11:04pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:12:59pm

re: #327 HappyWarrior

I just refuse to let his bullying scare me. He got lucky in November 2016 and he’s had few political victories since then.

If anyone’s scared, it’s going to be Barr. He just promised a whole bunch of shit that he knows he won’t be able to follow through on.

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nowherenorth2  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:13:06pm

Memory hole

When I wake up in the morning and the alarm bells gets me going I don’t think I’ll ever make it on time…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:13:15pm

re: #340 MsJ

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Meanwhile Jill Biden worked at one of the best community college systems in the country.

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gwangung  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:14:50pm

re: #340 MsJ

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Creation/Evolution: feh. Join this millenium folks. Stop trying to stuff God into your undersized receptacles….

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:16:05pm

re: #340 MsJ

This is so fucking egregious it’s stunning.

Frigging Christian Taliban.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:17:14pm

Memory hole

Using a pencil to wind a cassette tape. Man was that shit annoying.

Also, 3.5 inch floppies.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:17:14pm

Devastating indictment:
Why the shutdown will never turn the president’s base against him

Why the shutdown will never turn the president’s base against himPolitics, of course, is often messy and confounding. People identify with particular politicians for reasons that don’t make sense to outsiders who don’t share their politics. Sometimes one priority overshadows another. Yet several themes emerged from my research.

One was an ability of GOP voters, especially those who mistrusted the government, to hold seemingly conflicting thoughts about government services. “I’d be dead without my Medicaid,” one man told our focus groups,” and next said, “The ACA is socialism in its most evil form.”

Ineffective government also played to long-held biases and anxieties about race. One white Kansas parent who identified as a GOP supporter insisted that school budget cuts were justified because “blacks just use school funds to rent party buses.” More frequent were vague concerns about ways that minorities or immigrants usurped undeserved resources, such as when one respondent claimed that, “the Mexicans, their food stamps, everything they want, we’re paying for it.”

Such concerns sometimes led to people standing on “principle” even when it harmed them. I’ll never forget how a man pulling an oxygen tank because of severe lung disease told me he would rather die (and soon did die) than receive benefits from the ACA because it used “my tax dollars” on “Mexicans and welfare queens.” Data that my research team amassed showed how these kinds of mortal trade-offs shortened lifespans, and sometimes disproportionately harmed white communities that form the core of GOP support.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:17:15pm

I have a hard time getting sorry for this guy. Everyone else yeah but not him.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:17:32pm

re: #345 MsJ

This is so fucking egregious it’s stunning.

Frigging Christian Taliban.

Yet entirely believable known how Mike is too.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:17:42pm

re: #346 Eclectic Cyborg

Memory hole

Using a pencil to wind a cassette tape. Man was that shit annoying.

Also, 3.5 inch floppies.

5” floppies!

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TedStriker  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:17:56pm

re: #306 MsJ

Another memory hole to go down.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:19:09pm

re: #345 MsJ

This is so fucking egregious it’s stunning.

Frigging Christian Taliban.

There are quite a few churches and Christian businesses out there that make employees agree to things like these.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:19:23pm

re: #350 MsJ

5” floppies!

8” floppies!!!

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jaunte  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:19:55pm

re: #353 teleskiguy

8” floppies!!!

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Mars Platters!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:20:51pm

re: #272 jaunte

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:22:12pm

re: #335 MsJ

Party lines.

That’s why our number was “12” - one long ring, two short rings.

If there was an emergency in town, the switchboard operator would plug in the whole first bank of phones, take a yardstick and push all the switches eight times, wait a bit, then tell everyone what was going on.

She’d then unplug the first bank and plug them in the second bank (rinse and repeat for the third bank).

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nowherenorth2  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:22:18pm

Today at work I stated that Nazis should never have a platform or soapbox to spout their ideology.
The guy said that my argument was naziism against Nazis and then both sided this. Shit out of everything.

Thoughts?

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:23:38pm

re: #353 teleskiguy

8” floppies!!!

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That’s actually what I meant! Good job!

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:24:26pm

re: #357 nowherenorth2

Today at work I stated that Nazis should never have a platform or soapbox to spout their ideology.
The guy said that my argument was naziism against Nazis and then both sided this. Shit out of everything.

Thoughts?

Karl Popper.

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William Lewis  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:24:39pm

re: #306 MsJ

Another memory hole to go down.

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Sherman 6826

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:24:48pm

re: #356 Anymouse ??

That’s why our number was “12” - one long ring, two short rings.

If there was an emergency in town, the switchboard operator would plug in the whole first bank of phones, take a yardstick and push all the switches eight times, wait a bit, then tell everyone what was going on.

She’d then unplug the first bank and plug them in the second bank (rinse and repeat for the third bank).

Do you still have that?

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TedStriker  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:25:19pm

re: #337 Blind Frog Belly White

“We control the vertical. We control the horizontal”

Not just that nobody would know “The Outer Limits”, but more that TVs don’t have cathode ray tubes anymore, hence no Vertical Control or Horizontal Control.

The Outer Limits (the original) is a classic, so much so, it was rebooted/revived from 1995-2002 on Showtime, then on what is now SyFy.

Speaking of sci-fi anthologies, The Twilight Zone’s getting another reboot/revival (its third), developed and hosted by Jordan Peele for CBS All Access sometime this year.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:25:23pm

re: #346 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, 3.5 inch floppies.

Try an 8” floppy….and an acoustic-coupled modem…..
and I see I was aced from the 8” floppy-but the acoustic-coupled modem…

Anybody here remember Telebit Trailblazer modems? 9600bps long before v.34….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:25:55pm

re: #344 gwangung

Creation/Evolution: feh. Join this millenium folks. Stop trying to stuff God into your undersized receptacles….

Don’t be silly! God has to work within the parameters of one English translation of a single book.
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Unless that single book makes a claim that doesn’t make sense, then it’s “Who are you to question God?”

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EPR-radar  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:27:29pm

re: #363 Eric The Fruit Bat

Try an 8” floppy….and an acoustic-coupled modem…..

Apparently back then party tricks were possible with a 300 baud acoustic modem where people could whistle in such a way that the modem thought it was getting some input.

I never saw this in action, so it could have been an urban legend of that time.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:27:42pm

re: #347 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Devastating indictment:
Why the shutdown will never turn the president’s base against him

If a whopping majority of the people blame him and his party, then it doesn’t matter if that impenetrable 34% base holds firm.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:28:41pm

re: #363 Eric The Fruit Bat

Try an 8” floppy….and an acoustic-coupled modem…..

TeleType terminals.

Punch cards.

80cm x 40cm x 0.2mm DNA sequencing gels.

Maxam and Gilbert sequencing.

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EPR-radar  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:30:48pm

re: #357 nowherenorth2

Today at work I stated that Nazis should never have a platform or soapbox to spout their ideology.
The guy said that my argument was naziism against Nazis and then both sided this. Shit out of everything.

Thoughts?

Nazi bullshit can reasonably be regarded as incitement to go out and kill the nearest jews etc. As such, it can reasonably be suppressed as trying to incite a riot. US courts haven’t gone with this reasoning, but I’m tending to think that line of cases is in error.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:31:18pm

re: #361 MsJ

Do you still have that?

No, that was when I was a child and pre-teen in my small town in Michigan. General Telephone bought out the co-op phone company and gave everyone seven digit numbers.

That said, you still couldn’t make a direct long distance call: When you dialed a long distance number (starting with “120,” not “1”) an operator came on line asking for “number please.”

She was asking for your number, not the one you were calling, so you could be properly billed for the call.

That system in my hometown went away in 1980, when GTE finally put in direct dial long distance there.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:31:23pm

re: #367 Blind Frog Belly White

TeleType terminals.

Punch cards.

The Vicious Babushka, I believe, can tell Lizards a thing or two about those.

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:31:42pm

re: #278 MsJ

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Oh Alexandria!

So good.

You know what is really good about her retorts. They are based on actual facts and knowledge and not just snark. Sure there is snark there, but it is proper snark.

She obviously studied up on things that concerned her and used that knowledge to make herself go all in. Such a bold young woman to decide to get into politics.

Good luck to you.

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wrenchwench  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:32:02pm

re: #365 EPR-radar

Apparently back then party tricks were possible with a 300 baud acoustic modem where people could whistle in such a way that the modem thought it was getting some input.

I never saw this in action, so it could have been an urban legend of that time.

They were whistling into pay phones in the dorms at Cal Tech in 1975, for free long-distance phone calls. Those used to be expensive.

Don’t ask me how I know this.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:32:56pm

re: #370 teleskiguy

The Vicious Babushka, I believe, can tell Lizards a thing or two about those.

I remember punch cards from summer Vo-Tech school

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:33:13pm

re: #362 TedStriker

The Outer Limits (the original) is a classic, so much so, it was restarted/revived it in the mid-90 to early aughts on what is now SyFy.

Speaking of sci-fi anthologies, The Twilight Zone’s getting another reboot/revival (its third), developed and hosted by Jordan Peele for CBS All Access sometime this year.

The best thing about The Twilight Zone was just how little it depended on special effects and other gimmickry. Think of the classic episodes, like “The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street” - no special effects at all, just actors on a back lot at the studio, and turning some switches on and off.

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TedStriker  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:34:43pm

re: #372 wrenchwench

They were whistling into pay phones in the dorms at Cal Tech in 1975, for free long-distance phone calls. Those used to be expensive.

Don’t ask me how I know this.

You know Captain Crunch?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:35:55pm

re: #365 EPR-radar

Apparently back then party tricks were possible with a 300 baud acoustic modem where people could whistle in such a way that the modem thought it was getting some input

Entirely possible, given the Bell 103 spec.

Also, don’t forget the ubiquitous 2600 Hz frequency, which led to the colored “Box” series (Blue, Black, Red) where phone phreaks used to ply their trade…

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:37:21pm

re: #292 MsJ

The way things are going, Republicans won’t allow elections in 2020. They’ll be fucking done, well done, stick a fork in them done and they know it.

Heh. I just contacted my great buddy Robby “The Wimp” Portman and told him he better save up on all that NRA and Russian money he is going to need it when Ohioans realize he is dirty for Trump.

Told him I watched some of the Barr nomination hearing and that I expect him to wimp out and vote to nominate him when it is clear he is there to cover for Trump.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:38:05pm

re: #371 ObserverArt

Oh Alexandria!

So good.

You know what is really good about her retorts. They are based on actual facts and knowledge and not just snark. Sure there is snark there, but it is proper snark.

She obviously studied up on things that concerned her and used that knowledge to make herself go all in. Such a bold young woman to decide to get into politics.

Good luck to you.

Moreover, all the better-known people than her going after her in a very public way on a platform like Twitter, where she exposes their hollow attacks and millions of people see them.

Conservatives and libertarians by giving her such attention (out of fear, apparently) are amplifying her message a way she couldn’t do herself for many years yet. They are helping her drag the Overton Window to the left without seeming to understand that.

Like it or not, Twitter and Facebook and other such platforms are another way to get out a political message. I imagine there were a lot of Nixon supporters who grumbled about television after his debate with Kennedy as well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:38:12pm

re: #372 wrenchwench

They were whistling into pay phones in the dorms at Cal Tech in 1975, for free long-distance phone calls. Those used to be expensive.

Don’t ask me how I know this.

At my high school, there was a payphone by the gym. When football or track practice was over, we’d call home, and shout into the receiver,

“PRACTICE IS OVER, COME AND GET ME!”

when someone answered. And they’d hear…

“practice is over, come and get me!

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:39:37pm

re: #373 Joe Bacon ??

I remember punch cards from summer Vo-Tech school

We were using punched tape for computers when I was first in the Navy to program the computer bench testing system with a 1M drum drive and nitrogen bottle to keep the drive cool.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:40:51pm

Big snowstorm supposed to move in, snow through Friday.

Giggety.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:42:31pm

re: #350 MsJ

5” floppies!

Punch cards!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:42:47pm
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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:43:38pm

As a reminder, Trent Lott was forced out as Senate majority leader after an uproar from the public about his racist remarks.

The person who engineered that? Mitch McConnell.

It would be glorious if he was ousted the same way over his shutdown.

washingtonpost.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:44:06pm

Throwing out all your disposable razors and buying more and throwing them out too, to own the libs.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:44:22pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:45:56pm

Lol this is exactly why the GOP is 100% screwed on the wall.

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wrenchwench  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:46:10pm

re: #375 TedStriker

You know Captain Crunch?

///

He was there, or so I heard.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:48:26pm

I haven’t shaved my face in almost two years.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:50:10pm

re: #389 teleskiguy

It’ll be two years in April.

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wrenchwench  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:51:27pm

re: #389 teleskiguy

I haven’t shaved my face in almost two years.

Mr. w is working on his 50th. He trimmed it some in 1986 for our bike tour. Had to cross Kansas.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:52:46pm

re: #384 Anymouse ??

As a reminder, Trent Lott was forced out as Senate majority leader after an uproar from the public about his racist remarks.

The person who engineered that? Mitch McConnell.

It would be glorious if he was ousted the same way over his shutdown.

washingtonpost.com

Sure, except these days racist remarks is a selling point, not a mark of shame.

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wrenchwench  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:53:49pm

re: #390 teleskiguy

It’ll be two years in April.

Find those old photos showing chin. Keep them in a safe place. Someone will want to see it someday….

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:54:04pm

Erdogan and Duterte wannabees.

Fuck every one. Jail THESE motherfuckers.

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:54:38pm

re: #378 Anymouse ??

Moreover, all the better-known people than her going after her in a very public way on a platform like Twitter, where she exposes their hollow attacks and millions of people see them.

Conservatives and libertarians by giving her such attention (out of fear, apparently) are amplifying her message a way she couldn’t do herself for many years yet. They are helping her drag the Overton Window to the left without seeming to understand that.

Like it or not, Twitter and Facebook and other such platforms are another way to get out a political message. I imagine there were a lot of Nixon supporters who grumbled about television after his debate with Kennedy as well.

I like the concept of both Facebook and Twitter. After seeing some of the results and thinking about where they could be problematic I decided not to use them myself.

In time maybe some of the people behind them will lose control and they become more controlled in what they allow and what they do with the data.

TVs at the time of Nixon didn’t allow Nazis to advertise, Russians to invade from the back door and sell your personal information to gawd knows who all. And there was no trolling.

I have a smart phone. That is bad enough in my personal life. And I do what I can to stop ATT from selling me out as best I can.

And I don’t tell others what they can or cannot do.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:54:50pm

re: #391 wrenchwench

Mr. w is working on his 50th. He trimmed it some in 1986 for our bike tour. Had to cross Kansas.

My father stopped shaving his face when he retired, his last day of work was last June.

Him and I have the same damn beard growth pattern, like, exactly the same. Genetics, man.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:55:58pm

re: #382 The Vicious Babushka

Punch cards!

I used to create custom drum cards for an IBM 026 card punch which allowed me to essentially “program” the punch card device.

What caught me off-guard at times was the computer we had in High School (Honeywell Model 58) had a different code vs. an IBM 1130-the Honeywell was looking for the equal sign as 0-8-5, whereas the IBM 1130 wanted 0-8-6.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:56:51pm

re: #384 Anymouse ??

As a reminder, Trent Lott was forced out as Senate majority leader after an uproar from the public about his racist remarks.

The person who engineered that? Mitch McConnell.

It would be glorious if he was ousted the same way over his shutdown.

washingtonpost.com

Inasmuch as losing this would devastate his political standing, I don’t see Mitch ever being forced out. He may quit and/or retire after 2020, knowing 1) the writing’s obviously on the wall, and 2) Gov. Bevin would replace him with someone equally awful.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:59:02pm

re: #389 teleskiguy

I haven’t shaved my face in almost two years.

I didn’t shave for 25 years. I finally shaved when the “Santa Claus Effect” became too pronounced. The downside was that my face was a lot rounder than I remembered. The upside was that, because my skin hardly saw sun in all that time, there’s not a lot of wrinkling on my lower face.

Other downside? Even after shaving for most of the last 10 years, I’m still not very good at it.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 3:59:55pm

Add Sen. Gillibrand to the list:

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wrenchwench  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:00:14pm

re: #398 Myron Falwell

Inasmuch as losing this would devastate his political standing, I don’t see Mitch ever being forced out. He may quit and/or retire after 2020, knowing 1) the writing’s obviously on the wall, and 2) Gov. Bevin would replace him with someone equally awful.

I’d rather see Mitch in jail than Trump. When Trump is out of office, continued existence will provide some punishment for Trump. McConnell needs more.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:01:25pm

re: #400 Myron Falwell

Add Sen. Gillibrand to the list:

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Tier 2 for me. I do like her and hope she does well.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:01:37pm

A page full of lies.
Border Security is Not ‘Immoral’ (Mitch McConnell’s Senate page)

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:02:22pm

re: #392 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Sure, except these days racist remarks is a selling point, not a mark of shame.

Didn’t work so well for Steve King. He’s shouting into the void “muh freeze peach.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:02:23pm

re: #386 Patricia Kayden

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I’m with Imani. He definitely has read on this.

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wrenchwench  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:03:55pm

re: #403 Anymouse ??

A page full of lies.
Border Security is Not ‘Immoral’ (Mitch McConnell’s Senate page)

He should think about that for three days in July in a chain link sandbox in Tornillo. Water if he asks nice.

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jeffreyw  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:04:01pm

re: #312 teleskiguy

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Memory hole

Forgetting to wind the alarm.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:07:00pm

re: #399 Blind Frog Belly White

Other downside? Even after shaving for most of the last 10 years, I’m still not very good at it.

Shaving has always been my least favorite bathroom activity. Something about rubbing a razor on your skin…

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:12:15pm
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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:12:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:13:04pm

They’re a useless party.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:13:33pm

re: #408 teleskiguy

Shaving has always been my least favorite bathroom activity. Something about rubbing a razor on your skin…

Once I started, I had to keep going. Mrs. FBW likes me either cleanshaven, or with a beard, but won’t tolerate anything in between. As in, if I don’t shave that morning, she complains that my face is too prickly when I kiss her goodbye before going to work.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:17:38pm

re: #409 Myron Falwell

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:18:53pm

re: #413 MsJ

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And then they cry they won’t vote for our candidates because they clsim we haven’t earned their vote. I don’t want their vote. They’re enablers of the worst kind.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:20:07pm

re: #410 teleskiguy

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Skip Intro  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:21:14pm

re: #366 Myron Falwell

Yes, it does, because that’s the only group the GOP cares about.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:21:49pm

Uhhh… what is this??

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:21:49pm

But hey, what’s the risk of nuclear war when compared to Trump’s perennial fear that somebody’s taking advantage of him?

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:23:53pm
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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:25:52pm

re: #417 Myron Falwell

Uhhh… what is this??

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SCOTUS ruled FOR the workers today.

A shocking turn. I haven’t seen the ruling (who ruled which way).

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:26:47pm

re: #420 MsJ

SCOTUS ruled FOR the workers today.

A shocking turn. I haven’t seen the ruling (who ruled which way).

The headline in the tweet said that it was a unanimous ruling. I think I may need to lend Stan my snowblower.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:27:18pm

re: #416 Skip Intro

Yes, it does, because that’s the only group the GOP cares about.

Yeah, but you can’t win anything with just the 37% fringe. If that’s what they have decided is the only thing that matters to them, then they reap the ensuing whirlwind.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:27:51pm

re: #421 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The headline in the tweet said that it was a unanimous ruling. I think I may need to lend Stan my snowblower.

I read it after responding. To say I’m shocked is an understatement.

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EPR-radar  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:28:34pm

re: #409 Myron Falwell

I agree that TSA workers more or less going on strike is one way to pressure Congressional Republicans to stop their stupidity. But that will just get them fired and blacklisted by Trump like Reagan did with the air traffic controllers.

It’s much like asking black people to test the boundaries of open/concealed carry and stand your ground laws in backward states to demonstrate the absurdity of such laws.

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Skip Intro  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:28:54pm

re: #422 Myron Falwell

You can if 100% of them vote and only 50% of your people, split amoung two or more candidates, do

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:29:17pm

re: #422 Myron Falwell

Yeah, but you can’t win anything with just the 37% fringe. If that’s what they have decided is the only thing that matters to them, then they reap the ensuing whirlwind.

It continues to baffle me. I don’t understand why REPUBLICANS are doing this. They’re decimating their own party.

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Skip Intro  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:29:40pm

re: #423 MsJ

I read it after responding. To say I’m shocked is an understatement.

It makes no sense to me. That means Thomas voted for it. What’s the catch?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:29:46pm

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:30:25pm

re: #423 MsJ

I read it after responding. To say I’m shocked is an understatement.

I don’t think that was a part of McConnell’s grand plan to install Gorsuch as a justice instead of Merrick Garland.

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EPR-radar  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:30:46pm

re: #421 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The headline in the tweet said that it was a unanimous ruling. I think I may need to lend Stan my snowblower.

That’s a real shock. Was this a case of an employer torturing employees to death and selling the carcasses off as pet food? It’s difficult to see how else a 9-0 pro-worker decision could be possible from this court.

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retired cynic  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:31:21pm

re: #397 Eric The Fruit Bat

I used to create custom drum cards for an IBM 026 card punch which allowed me to essentially “program” the punch card device.

What caught me off-guard at times was the computer we had in High School (Honeywell Model 58) had a different code vs. an IBM 1130-the Honeywell was looking for the equal sign as 0-8-5, whereas the IBM 1130 wanted 0-8-6.

As I have said frequently, I started on an IBM 1120!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:31:36pm

re: #430 EPR-radar

That’s a real shock. Was this a case of an employer torturing employees to death and selling the carcasses off as pet food? It’s difficult to see how else a 9-0 pro-worker decision could be possible from this court.

It’s an 8-0 ruling, Whiny Beer Drinker wasn’t seated in time for this and didn’t participate. And yes, Gorsuch wrote the majority opinion.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:32:21pm

re: #428 Blind Frog Belly White

Na6br7zrGLmQ1bneFAtBo/3mC/jxfFeKtfH6wiW8yzDYPWBcO7lDoVBkcTv2Ea0O

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:32:51pm

re: #429 Myron Falwell

I don’t think that was a part of McConnell’s grand plan to install Gorsuch as a justice instead of Merrick Garland.

What was then?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:34:23pm

re: #434 MsJ

What was then?

For him to be little more than a potted plant for the Federalist Society?

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:35:42pm

Burn scar mud and debris flow. Something we’ll have to keep an eye out in my neck of the woods when the snow melts.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:35:47pm

re: #426 MsJ

It continues to baffle me. I don’t understand why REPUBLICANS are doing this. They’re decimating their own party.

They have the power (or think they do), they’re trying to leverage it. The problem is, they are completely out of touch with how odious their policies are to a society that passed them by 150 years ago. To them, they are trying to cash in their chips and get their reward, and they’re getting mad that people are yelling at them and calling them racists and Nazis and assholes and why are we so MEAN?!?!?

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:37:57pm
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BigPapa  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:40:04pm

re: #436 teleskiguy

I’ve never hear of burn scar mud before.

(reads up on it)

Oh shit.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:40:13pm

re: #326 NoSoapForYou

Hey! Smell me. I think I got a tweet block by the Prez.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:41:51pm

re: #426 MsJ

It continues to baffle me. I don’t understand why REPUBLICANS are doing this. They’re decimating their own party.

Trump had dirt on every single Republican in the House and Senate. That’s exactly what’s going on here. And I bet most of it is some very very nasty evil shit.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:42:28pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:42:45pm
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NoSoapForYou  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:43:21pm

Okay, this is going to take a minute. Been distracted watching hearings today.

I was 14 years old in August 1974. We watched the Watergate Hearings in elementary school. I used to go home and watch and I’m sure I wasn’t the only one at my school in 6th, 7th, or 8th grade that did. There was a reason for this. Our Congressman, Charlie Sandman, was one of the six congressmen left in August of ‘74 that thought Nixon had done nothing wrong.

Now, the reason I made you go through that, was this. In August of 1974, William Barr would have been a 24ish-year-old law student. All I’m saying is that if there was a once-in-a-lifetime impeachment proceeding going on when I was in Law School, I’d know everything about Watergate. Of course, I’m a little OCD.

Just thought of this and not sure if anyone mentioned —

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:44:17pm

re: #442 teleskiguy

What compromise? Didn’t Democrats vote for $25 billion for security along the border in exchange for DACA last year and Trump turned that down? Collins means that Democrats should get nothing and Trump gets his $5.6 billion for a useless wall.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:44:23pm

re: #432 Myron Falwell

It’s an 8-0 ruling, Whiny Beer Drinker wasn’t seated in time for this and didn’t participate. And yes, Gorsuch wrote the majority opinion.

They wrote Gorsuch briefs, focused on what words like employment and work meant in 1925.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:46:47pm

Uh… damn.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:47:09pm

re: #443 Patricia Kayden

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Trump is bullshitting again, as always. He never tells the truth when a lie will do.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:47:44pm

re: #369 Anymouse ??

No, that was when I was a child and pre-teen in my small town in Michigan. General Telephone bought out the co-op phone company and gave everyone seven digit numbers.

That said, you still couldn’t make a direct long distance call: When you dialed a long distance number (starting with “120,” not “1”) an operator came on line asking for “number please.”

She was asking for your number, not the one you were calling, so you could be properly billed for the call.

That system in my hometown went away in 1980, when GTE finally put in direct dial long distance there.

I can remember six-digit numbers. We went from GLadstone-2562 to EMerson 3-2562. Another number to remember! No area codes then, though.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:47:57pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:49:55pm

We have a belated Secret Santa gift to announce — “thedopefishlives” is the proud owner of a new one-year ad-free subscription!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:50:30pm

re: #451 Charles Johnson

We have a belated Secret Santa gift to announce — “thedopefishlives” is the proud owner of a new one-year ad-free subscription!

*blinks*
*stares*
*slowly topples over*

I’m beyond honored. Thank you to my mysterious benefactor.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:51:03pm

re: #441 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump had dirt on every single Republican in the House and Senate. That’s exactly what’s going on here. And I bet most of it is some very very nasty evil shit.

As much as most of them are colossal assholes on their own, I agree with you. Trump is mobbing them…play or bad things happen to you and yours.

I agree with you completely.

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Jay C  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:52:09pm

re: #447 teleskiguy

Uh… damn.

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So when do the Republicans start to bitch about the “Chinese Plantation”…??

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wrenchwench  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:52:50pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:53:44pm

Barr is most likely as hostile towards civil rights as Sessions but can hide it better because he’s more polished.
Sigh.

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Citizen K  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:53:46pm

re: #443 Patricia Kayden

No fucking surprise, but the orange asshole is outright undermining the very thing he claims he’s championing with his dumbass fucking wall. He’s literally making it harder to help trafficking victims because of his goddamn monomania.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:53:47pm

JFC this six-toed shitweasel and his freeze peach

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:54:22pm

re: #449 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I can remember six-digit numbers. We went from GLadstone-2562 to EMerson 3-2562. Another number to remember! No area codes then, though.

Mine was BRoadway X-XXXX.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:55:21pm

re: #426 MsJ

It continues to baffle me. I don’t understand why REPUBLICANS are doing this. They’re decimating their own party.

Rush Limbaugh, Lumpy and Ann Coulter control the narratives and the ideological direction of the party. The 2010 midterms were the first of many ideological purity tests that calcified their beliefs to the point Steve King started sounding more and more normal.

re: #441 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump had dirt on every single Republican in the House and Senate. That’s exactly what’s going on here. And I bet most of it is some very very nasty evil shit.

If Devin Nunes is not immune to an investigation by the SCO, no one is safe.

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EPR-radar  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:55:50pm

re: #453 MsJ

As much as most of them are colossal assholes on their own, I agree with you. Trump is mobbing them…play or bad things happen to you and yours.

I agree with you completely.

The funny thing is that the GOP donor class is full of sharks that eat little fish like Trump as snacks. Why aren’t these people issuing orders to their Congressional hirelings?

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:56:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:56:42pm

re: #458 The Vicious Babushka

JFC this six-toed shitweasel and his freeze peach

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Unprecedented lol.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:57:04pm

re: #462 Patricia Kayden

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He’s playing dumb. He definitely knows the issues.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:57:05pm

re: #458 The Vicious Babushka

JFC this six-toed shitweasel and his freeze peach

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:57:09pm

re: #461 EPR-radar

The funny thing is that the GOP donor class is full of sharks that eat little fish like Trump as snacks. Why aren’t these people issuing orders to their Congressional hirelings?

What orders are they going to issue? The GOP donors are loving this shit. Remember, the donors are all old, rich, white assholes. They’re wanting to cash out and to hell with the future every bit as much as the men they sponsor. Why else do you think they’ve been pouring money into the coffin?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:58:21pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 15, 2019 • 4:59:35pm

re: #458 The Vicious Babushka

JFC this six-toed shitweasel and his freeze peach

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Maybe this weasel-wording would fly if King had no prior racist history. But he does — ‘cantaloupe calves’ etc. So it’s total bullshit.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:00:52pm

re: #468 EPR-radar

Maybe this weasel-wording would fly if King had no prior racist history. But he does — ‘cantaloupe calves’ etc. So it’s total bullshit.

“Western Civilization” is dogwhistle for “White Supremacy.” Asia and Africa have older civilizations than Europe.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:01:08pm
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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:01:22pm

re: #460 Myron Falwell

Rush Limbaugh, Lumpy and Ann Coulter control the narratives and the ideological direction of the party. The 2010 midterms were the first of many ideological purity tests that calcified their beliefs to the point Steve King started sounding more and more normal.

Yeah. These those assholes. Every Republican is an asshole. There’s nothing but assholes.

If Devin Nunes is not immune to an investigation by the SCO, no one is safe.

That right there is girly woody territory. Massive girly woody! To quote “Short Circuit” …
Oooh, I am supporting a massive woody!

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EPR-radar  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:01:42pm

re: #466 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

What orders are they going to issue? The GOP donors are loving this shit. Remember, the donors are all old, rich, white assholes. They’re wanting to cash out and to hell with the future every bit as much as the men they sponsor. Why else do you think they’ve been pouring money into the coffin?

If so, they must be very stupid. Trump is doing things that threaten the position of the US at the top of the global pecking order, which will affect US plutocrats.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:01:55pm

re: #459 MsJ

Mine was BRoadway X-XXXX.

Dated a couple girls who lived one exchange south of me, in Butterfield 8.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:04:33pm

re: #461 EPR-radar

The funny thing is that the GOP donor class is full of sharks that eat little fish like Trump as snacks. Why aren’t these people issuing orders to their Congressional hirelings?

What’s to stop the donor class from cutting ties when the GOP implodes and establishing new power bases overseas? Assuming they hadn’t already?

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Unabogie  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:07:22pm

One day we’re going to find out why Paul Manafort’s business partner worked for Bernie Sanders, took an immense salary, and held meetings with Konstantin Kilimnik.

And why Tad Devine was so instrumental in getting Bernie to contest the nomination right up until the convention.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:08:38pm

re: #473 Decatur Deb

Dated a couple girls who lived one exchange south of me, in Butterfield 8.

“PEnnsylvania 6 - 5000!”

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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:09:55pm
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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:10:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:10:32pm

re: #475 Unabogie

One day we’re going to find out why Paul Manafort’s business partner worked for Bernie Sanders, took an immense salary, and held meetings with Konstantin Kilimnik.

And why Tad Devine was so instrumental in getting Bernie to contest the nomination right up until the convention.

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Bernie is really really starting to smell like shit.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:13:05pm

re: #478 MsJ

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That’s been my fear for awhile too. It’s why he needed to be defeated three years ago.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:13:06pm

Barr is going to get confirmed.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:13:16pm

re: #481 Eclectic Cyborg

Barr is going to get confirmed.

Of course he is.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:13:17pm

re: #479 HappyWarrior

Bernie is really really starting to smell like shit.

He always did to me. Always.

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Skip Intro  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:13:41pm

re: #450 MsJ

He’s got the cards, when the hell is he going to play them?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:13:55pm

re: #483 MsJ

He always did to me. Always.

I mean even worse than before. TBH I thought he was just an egotistical asshole but it could be something far more sinister here.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:15:12pm

re: #478 MsJ

Even if the GOP had the smarts** to offer him an escape hatch and asked him to resign in exchange for whatever, he’d be too stupid to take it. Trump’s the guy who’d blow any chance at saving himself from himself.

**yes, I know “smart” and “GOP” shouldn’t be used in the same sentence

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:15:22pm

re: #476 Blind Frog Belly White

(I fixed it)

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:15:38pm

re: #424 EPR-radar

I agree that TSA workers more or less going on strike is one way to pressure Congressional Republicans to stop their stupidity. But that will just get them fired and blacklisted by Trump like Reagan did with the air traffic controllers.

It’s much like asking black people to test the boundaries of open/concealed carry and stand your ground laws in backward states to demonstrate the absurdity of such laws.

Except in Reagan’s case, first the military was used to fill the holes while new controllers learned their jobs, then those controllers went to jobs which actually had a paycheck.

Why would someone apply for a job when the government is shut down (and being shut down, they can’t process those applications nor pay them).

On the other hand, this plays right into the conservative and libertarian idea that we need to privatise the FAA.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:17:16pm

re: #472 EPR-radar

If so, they must be very stupid. Trump is doing things that threaten the position of the US at the top of the global pecking order, which will affect US plutocrats.

Stupid, maybe. Short-sighted and selfish, absolutely. They are in a short-sell situation because of their age. They are okay with mortgaging the future as long as they get to keep their power and their prestige. I think they just don’t understand the full ramifications of what they have wrought. I hope to God they live long enough to regret this, that they lose everything for which they worked so hard, and I will have no pity on them if it happens.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:17:41pm

re: #474 Myron Falwell

What’s to stop the donor class from cutting ties when the GOP implodes and establishing new power bases overseas? Assuming they hadn’t already?

This is the same argument conservatives make about raising the top marginal tax rate. “What’s to stop them from fleeing with their money?”

They didn’t do that during the Great Depression when those top marginal rates were put up in the first place.

Turns out plutocrats like living in developed countries.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:17:57pm

Here’s why I think there’s definitely some smoke to the Bernie Davine fire. A lot of his top surrogates and campaign people aren’t that big on the Russian investigation either. They’re afraid of it either coming out that Bernie and his campaign coordinated with Russian help or that they benefited from the misinformation campaign against Clinton.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:18:29pm

re: #488 Anymouse ??

Except in Reagan’s case, first the military was used to fill the holes while new controllers learned their jobs, then those controllers went to jobs which actually had a paycheck.

Why would someone apply for a job when the government is shut down (and being shut down, they can’t process those applications nor pay them).

On the other hand, this plays right into the conservative and libertarian idea that we need to privatise the FAA.

The geniuses who think that the private sector can and will do ANYTHING better than government can. Except, there’s a lot of stuff the private sector WON’T do - AT ALL - because there’s no money in it, that still needs to be done.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:19:03pm

re: #492 Blind Frog Belly White

The geniuses who think that the private sector can and will do ANYTHING better than government can. Except, there’s a lot of stuff the private sector WON’T do - AT ALL - because there’s no money in it, that still needs to be done.

Bingo.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:21:12pm

re: #468 EPR-radar

Maybe this weasel-wording would fly if King had no prior racist history. But he does — ‘cantaloupe calves’ etc. So it’s total bullshit.

That was mind-numbingly stupid. He can’t even get his racism right. No matter how much I exercise(d), my calves would never bulge out—I was always told that was because of my Indian blood: The muscles form a flat sheet instead of a round bundle. Most of the Mexican people are at least part Indian—well, all of them they want to keep out—and I’d like to see some of these “cantaloupe calves”!

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retired cynic  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:22:09pm

re: #441 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump had dirt on every single Republican in the House and Senate. That’s exactly what’s going on here. And I bet most of it is some very very nasty evil shit.

Given to him by you know who?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:22:52pm

re: #493 HappyWarrior

Bingo.

The next thing they do? The presume that the Left simply believes in the mirror image of what they think, therefore we’re supposed to believe that government does EVERYTHING better than the private sector - which literally nobody I know believes.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:24:56pm

re: #496 Blind Frog Belly White

The next thing they do? The presume that the Left simply believes in the mirror image of what they think, therefore we’re supposed to believe that government does EVERYTHING better than the private sector - which literally nobody I know believes.

Yes, every conservative/libertarian meme I see assumes that and I just laugh because they don’t have the slightest clue of what we believe. I think the private sector is much better at consumer goods but when it comes to things we need, I think a combination of both is best, and some things hell yeah I think only the government should be involved. I don’t need a for profit fire department or police department or my food safety to be for profit.

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retired cynic  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:25:09pm

re: #446 NO SMOCKING GUN!

They wrote Gorsuch briefs, focused on what words like employment and work meant in 1925.

As I heard about this case on NPR yesterday, it was a no-brainer unanimous decision based on technical grounds, not the merits of the case. They always choose such a one, according to Nina Totenberg, for a justice’s first opinion to write up.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:25:10pm

re: #495 retired cynic

Given to him by you know who?

Ya know, Mrs. FBW keeps saying stuff like that, but I really think it’s Trump’s power over his base. Base reaction to simply being critical of Trump was enough to make Corker and Flake give up without a fight, and to take down Sanford in the primary.

Lindsey Graham, though - that guy’s acting like somebody has some SERIOUS kompromat on him.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:25:16pm

re: #488 Anymouse ??

Except in Reagan’s case, first the military was used to fill the holes while new controllers learned their jobs, then those controllers went to jobs which actually had a paycheck.

Why would someone apply for a job when the government is shut down (and being shut down, they can’t process those applications nor pay them).

On the other hand, this plays right into the conservative and libertarian idea that we need to privatise the FAA.

Absolutely. Who’d want to work a job with no pay? There aren’t enough red hat morons to fill those positions in such a short amount of time.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:32:37pm

re: #323 MsJ

I literally know no one who remembers Fred. Not even my husband.

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Captain Kangaroo. Mr. Green jeans and ping pong balls falling from the ceiling. I remember.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:34:08pm

re: #501 I Would Prefer Not To

Captain Kangaroo. Mr. Green jeans and ping pong balls falling from the ceiling. I remember.

I can’t hear any song by Canned Heat without thinking of Mr. Moose.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 5:39:05pm

re: #499 Blind Frog Belly White

Ya know, Mrs. FBW keeps saying stuff like that, but I really think it’s Trump’s power over his base. Base reaction to simply being critical of Trump was enough to make Corker and Flake give up without a fight, and to take down Sanford in the primary.

Lindsey Graham, though - that guy’s acting like somebody has some SERIOUS kompromat on him.

This is a good point. If That Trump is compromised in the manner he is made him definitely caused him to exert control over people like Flake, Sasse et al.

I’d like to see a timeline of other events going on in the world concurrent with when Linds went off the deep end. The first time I noticed was when Rapey McBeerdrinker was going nutso during his coronation ceremony. And it seems… interesting, I have to admit.

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EPR-radar  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:06:17pm

re: #490 Anymouse ??

This is the same argument conservatives make about raising the top marginal tax rate. “What’s to stop them from fleeing with their money?”

They didn’t do that during the Great Depression when those top marginal rates were put up in the first place.

Turns out plutocrats like living in developed countries.

Another point is the US plutocrats fleeing the US will end up having to deal with foreign plutocrats that are in bed with their own governments, which would be troublesome.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:25:25pm

re: #473 Decatur Deb

Dated a couple girls who lived one exchange south of me, in Butterfield 8.

HAmilton 1

Our phone number was one digit off from the local post office. When I would answer our home phone, callers would sometimes wonder why a kid was working for the post office. If I had been more of a mischief maker, I could have had a lot of fun telling people to wait while I searched for their missing item.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:11:28pm

re: #316 Dr. Matt

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That’show I stored the first computer programs I wrote.


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