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In our first episode back for the new year, we explore the president’s lies, racism, dumbness, completely fabricated border crisis, and the media’s unfortunate inability to report on him accurately and effectively. Also, conservative media and politicians’ possibly purposeful inability to grapple with and acknowledge Steve King’s lifetime of racist beliefs and ideas. Perhaps these are all related topics.

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1
Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:11:32pm
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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:12:58pm

We do need to figure out a way to put more pressure on McConnell. He’s the one in control.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:13:53pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:15:32pm

re: #2 Belafon

We do need to figure out a way to put more pressure on McConnell. He’s the one in control.

It’s a damn shame there’s no way to have McConnell staked out over an ant hill in a Southern hemisphere desert as long as the shutdown lasts.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:16:31pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:16:32pm

re: #3 Belafon

Trump can’t keep straight how many hamberders he ordered for the Clemson team last night, this is just meaningless words from a man with really no plan at all.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:18:03pm

re: #2 Belafon

We do need to figure out a way to put more pressure on McConnell. He’s the one in control.

McConnell is afraid of being primaried if he defies Trump. It maybe that the only thing that could pressure him is if the airports shutdown.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:18:12pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:18:16pm

re: #2 Belafon

We do need to figure out a way to put more pressure on McConnell. He’s the one in control.

Well, we can’t publicly hound him at restaurants or at public events because that would be mean //////

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:19:33pm

re: #5 MsJ

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Considering McConnell did this to Obama, I don’t think it’s Russia, just his racism and lust for power.

At some point, it needs to be made impossible for the majority leaders to block a bill backed by a majority of Senators.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:19:56pm

re: #2 Belafon

We do need to figure out a way to put more pressure on McConnell. He’s the one in control.

Don’t know how we can cut the chain that Putin put around McConnell’s neck. The same chain that Putin continually yanks. Putin wants the government to stay shut down.

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KGxvi  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:20:46pm

Watching Senator Harris question witnesses before the judiciary committee really makes me regret the fact that in presidential debates, candidates don’t really get to question each other directly. She would embarrass Trump within 15 minutes

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:22:14pm

re: #12 KGxvi

Watching Senator Harris question witnesses before the judiciary committee really makes me regret the fact that in presidential debates, candidates don’t really get to question each other directly. She would embarrass Trump within 15 minutes

She doesn’t take any shhhhhaaaavvvviiiinnnngggg cream off of anyone.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:22:28pm

re: #7 NO SMOCKING GUN!

McConnell is afraid of being primaried if he defies Trump. It maybe that the only thing that could pressure him is if the airports shutdown.

Who’d primary him? Maybe Gov. Bevin? Unless it’s a high-caliber name, it could go as badly as that Natzi guy that tried to primary Paul Ryan.

Unless Mitch wants to retire next year and just doesn’t give a single fuck about the polls.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:22:43pm
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KGxvi  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:23:27pm

re: #14 Myron Falwell

Who’d primary him? Maybe Gov. Bevin? Unless it’s a high-caliber name, it could go as badly as that Natzi guy that tried to primary Paul Ryan.

Unless Mitch wants to retire next year and just doesn’t give a single fuck about the polls.

If McConnell was looking at retirement, why would he be carrying water for Trump like this?

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:25:22pm

McConnell is addicted to power the same way a junky is addicted to heroin. He continually craves more and more. Eventually he will go too far and OD…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:25:26pm

re: #14 Myron Falwell

Who’d primary him? Maybe Gov. Bevin? Unless it’s a high-caliber name, it could go as badly as that Natzi guy that tried to primary Paul Ryan.

Unless Mitch wants to retire next year and just doesn’t give a single fuck about the polls.

Maybe Bevin; he primaried McConnell before, and accusing McConnell of stabbing Trump in the back when he was just about to get the Wall could be a potent issue.

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KGxvi  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:25:35pm

re: #15 MsJ

Back in the day, if a teammate did that to me, I might have swung at him. I was super competitive and incredibly hard on myself back then.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:26:39pm

re: #3 Belafon

So now we need to know what McConnell wants

He wants power.

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Varek Raith  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:26:41pm

So got home from work and saw the meltdowns over a freaking razor ad by RWNJs.
/Slow day?

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:26:46pm

re: #15 MsJ

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There are times when I felt like that when I lost at chess or had a loss at the bridge table.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:27:20pm

re: #16 KGxvi

If McConnell was looking at retirement, why would he be carrying water for Trump like this?

He may need asylum in Moscow soon.

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AGE1607  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:27:56pm

Has anyone asked any Drug Lord (i.e.Chapo) how the wall will affect their drug smuggling?

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:28:01pm

re: #21 Varek Raith

So got home from work and saw the meltdowns over a freaking razor ad by RWNJs.
/Slow day?

Have you seen the ad?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:29:10pm

re: #16 KGxvi

If McConnell was looking at retirement, why would he be carrying water for Trump like this?

A total miscalculation on his part, thinking that Sen. Schumer and the senate Democrats would cave, but they hadn’t and aren’t.

It’s not really about Putin, or even Trump, it’s just a threat to his own ego. McConnell has more than had his way forever, especially since 2014. A loss on this issue, in the manner it was set up, would cripple him.

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Varek Raith  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:29:34pm

re: #25 Belafon

Have you seen the ad?

Yep.
Good ad.

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Chrysicat  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:30:00pm

CL’d. I’ve been spending the last 30 minutes questioning whether I should re-post and see if I could get responses this time; it was upvoted 3 times in the original thread…

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:31:22pm

Just a note…I saw anymouse do something I didn’t expect from him. Due to his editing skills he usually gets everything he types correct.

But he did what many do and that is spell Graham’s first name Lindsay.

It is Lindsey with an ‘e’ in it.

From Wiki: Lindsay or Lindsey is an English surname, originally derived from the territory of Lindsey in Lincolnshire, from the Old English toponym Lindesege (“Lindum Isle”), i.e. “marshlands of Lincoln”.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:32:23pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:32:58pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:33:35pm

Before I go to sleep,

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:33:52pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:34:00pm

re: #26 Myron Falwell

To put it more simply, this is a convergence of stupidity and ill-advized plots. Mitch is being exposed as nowhere near the smartypants he thinks he is, and it’s syncing with Trump’s lack of any plan to end this. Neither can afford to cave.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:34:46pm

re: #19 KGxvi

Back in the day, if a teammate did that to me, I might have swung at him. I was super competitive and incredibly hard on myself back then.

I feel ya.

But I thought it was so sweet and thoughtful.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:35:30pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:37:37pm

re: #28 Chrysicat

CL’d. I’ve been spending the last 30 minutes questioning whether I should re-post and see if I could get responses this time; it was upvoted 3 times in the original thread…

So, from what I’m understanding, the Tories’ only hope for themselves is … fear-mongering over Labour taking over?

Good luck with that.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:37:52pm

My wife just finished knitting a sweater for me. It is wonderfully warm, and very snug.

It kind of makes me look way too thin though. Perhaps the horizontal ribs on it?

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:38:46pm

re: #36 Single-handed sailor

Because that is somehow essential work (like the park rangers in his hotel).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:38:56pm

re: #28 Chrysicat

CL’d. I’ve been spending the last 30 minutes questioning whether I should re-post and see if I could get responses this time; it was upvoted 3 times in the original thread…

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Corbyn is why I TBH feel better about our situation than the Brits. I’ll take Pelosi over Corbyn any day of the week.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:39:37pm

re: #33 MsJ

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Excellent. That’s a great spot for her.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:39:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:40:18pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

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Positive peer pressure from Pelosi.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:40:22pm

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:40:37pm

LOL

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:41:52pm

re: #33 MsJ

I’m a fifty-eight year old man with only a high school diploma who understands what words such as “intersectionality” mean. This seems more like concern trolling.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:43:01pm

re: #46 Anymouse ??

I had responded to that:

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:43:30pm

re: #36 Single-handed sailor

That actually makes me curious if they’ll “magically” find some way to get money for the TSA screeners when shit hits the fan over there.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:43:57pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Chuck: Hey what are these things?

Me: What things?

C: These things between my legs.

Me: Balls. Testicles. Nuts.

C: Hey…they’re kinda FUN!

Me: Ooohhhkkkaaayyy. LEAVING NOW!

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:44:02pm

re: #46 Anymouse ??

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I’m a fifty-eight year old man with only a high school diploma who understands what words such as “intersectionality” mean. This seems more like concern trolling.

I’m a 49 year old man with a master’s in computer science, likes to read physics and math books and I don’t know what intersectionality is supposed to mean.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:44:18pm

re: #21 Varek Raith

Slow day?

It was for me. Showed up to work at the ski area at 7:30 this morning and cut myself at about noon. It’s slow on weekdays in January at the ski area.

I’m hoping it snows a bunch ‘cause I don’t have to work ‘til Friday.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:44:49pm

re: #46 Anymouse ??

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I’m a fifty-eight year old man with only a high school diploma who understands what words such as “intersectionality” mean. This seems more like concern trolling.

Yeah I get it, our politicians should just talk like Trump and sound like morons. So sick of his faux populist bullshit.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:46:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:46:51pm

It’s funny how the side that loves to claim fake news is perfectly happy to spread fake news when it comes to what happened with the spread yesterday. FWIW it seems that some of the players did enjoy the food and that’s fine but using a fake quote to disparage the critics and people like to eat stuff other than fast food is bullshit.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:46:57pm

re: #49 Sufficient unto the day…

Chuck: Hey what are these things?

Me: What things?

C: These things between my legs.

Me: Balls. Testicles. Nuts.

C: Hey…they’re kinda FUN!

Me: Ooohhhkkkaaayyy. LEAVING NOW!

As long as he knows he’s still got a ways to go to catch up to Pelosi:

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danarchy  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:47:30pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Excellent. That’s a great spot for her.

So I was doing a search for AOC on google, was wondering what her degree was in and this is what googles suggested searches were…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:47:37pm

I gotta ask though. How many 40 year olds only have high school degrees these days?

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:48:57pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

I gotta ask though. How many 40 year olds only have high school degrees these days?

Well, I got nephews, nieces, grandnephews and other relatives 40 and over with only a high school degree!

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retired cynic  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:49:45pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

A lot.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:49:48pm

re: #50 Belafon

I’m a 49 year old man with a master’s in computer science, likes to read physics and math books and I don’t know what intersectionality is supposed to mean.

Basically, it is a framework of discussion on how different systems of power in society interlock against those who are (or can be) marginalised in society. That can include race, women, gender, disability, the poor, minority religious faiths (or no religious faith), &c.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:50:11pm

re: #56 danarchy

So I was doing a search for AOC on google, was wondering what her degree was in and this is what googles suggested searches were…

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In case you didn’t find it, she has a bachelor’s degree in international relations and economics, according to wikipedia.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:50:17pm

re: #56 danarchy

So I was doing a search for AOC on google, was wondering what her degree was in and this is what googles suggested searches were…

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JFC- BTW It’s a BA of International Relations and Economics from Boston University. People who think she’s dumb are totally underestimating her intelligence.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:50:49pm

re: #58 Joe Bacon ??

Well, I got nephews, nieces, grandnephews and other relatives 40 and over with only a high school degree!

Yeah over 40 I can see. I’m not knocking it. I’m just saying. I just think it’s a strawman.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:50:59pm

re: #53 Anymouse ??

“Why couldn’t they nominate someone who was clean, had no issues, was above reproach?”

Because no one who is clean, without issues and is above reproach — let alone competent in the machinations of the job — wants to work for Trump. It’s not rocket science.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:51:54pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

I gotta ask though. How many 40 year olds only have high school degrees these days?

Everyone in my family other than my mother and one cousin (my mother in clinical psychology, the cousin is an RN). Of course, the plural of anecdote is not data.

Interestingly, the RN in my family is the only RWNJ conservative.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:51:54pm

re: #61 Belafon

In case you didn’t find it, she has a bachelor’s degree in international relations and economics, according to wikipedia.

The economics part is why I want to smack my friends and acquaintances who act like she has no idea what she’s talking about in regards to economics who have no economics in their academic or professional background but think they’re profound because they’ve read some shit by economists that re-enforce their own biases.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:52:52pm

re: #56 danarchy

Google is just as guilty as Facebook and Twitter in that they’re all libertarian techbros who are in way over their heads when it comes to reckoning with the things they’ve unleashed on humanity with unfathomable wealth as a result.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:52:54pm

re: #65 Anymouse ??

Everyone in my family other than my mother and one cousin (my mother in clinical psychology, the cousin is an RN). Of course, the plural of anecdote is not data.

Interestingly, the RN in my family is the only RWNJ conservative.

Well I’m talking about people around 40 years old. Not over 40. I wager to say that 40-50 year olds are probably more likely to have a BA than most demographic groups.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:53:23pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Yeah over 40 I can see. I’m not knocking it. I’m just saying. I just think it’s a strawman.

Well, I’m a firm believer in the idea that you don’t really understand something unless you can explain some of it to kids. I also know that not everyone is experienced in finance and that these things must be explained to them.

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William Lewis  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:53:47pm

re: #44 Joe Bacon ??

Heh. Should be a bottle of cheap gin instead O_o

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:54:21pm

re: #67 teleskiguy

Google is just as guilty as Facebook and Twitter in that they’re all libertarian techbros who are in way over their heads when it comes to reckoning with the things they’ve unleashed on humanity with unfathomable wealth as a result.

Sigh yes. Really I won’t call ACO a genius or anything like that but her detractors act like she has no understanding of economics at all. She does. Just because she doesn’t share their interpretation doesn’t make her a dummy. FWIW, as much as I despise him, I even will acknowledge Ben Shapiro knows the law, I just think he’s profoundly intellectually dishonest.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:54:25pm

re: #67 teleskiguy

Google is just as guilty as Facebook and Twitter in that they’re all libertarian techbros who are in way over their heads when it comes to reckoning with the things they’ve unleashed on humanity with unfathomable wealth as a result.

That list is generated based on popular searches, not just put in place by Google.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:54:54pm

re: #69 Belafon

Well, I’m a firm believer in the idea that you don’t really understand something unless you can explain some of it to kids. I also know that not everyone is experienced in finance and that these things must be explained to them.

I like to do that with history. Make it more relatable.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:55:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:56:00pm

re: #55 Belafon

As long as he knows he’s still got a ways to go to catch up to Pelosi:

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Pelosi got ACA passed. Chuck’s got a long way to go.

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danarchy  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:56:05pm

re: #67 teleskiguy

Google is just as guilty as Facebook and Twitter in that they’re all libertarian techbros who are in way over their heads when it comes to reckoning with the things they’ve unleashed on humanity with unfathomable wealth as a result.

That was an indictment of americans more so than google. Those suggested sites are just based off of the most searched terms.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:56:53pm

For all my optimism, I don’t really trust people to go find stuff out on their own. Most just don’t want to - “I don’t have time” - and a lot of them go to places that aren’t very good sources. So it would help having explanations available.

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teleskiguy  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:57:43pm

Our currency in 10 years!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:58:26pm

I mean I think it’s a frustrating thing because if you talk less educated, you get accused of talking down to people but if you talk to indicate your level of education, you get accused of being a snob.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:58:47pm

re: #4 EPR-radar

It’s a damn shame there’s no way to have McConnell staked out over an ant hill in a Southern hemisphere desert as long as the shutdown lasts.

You forgot the bit about covering him in honey prior to the staking.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:59:18pm

FWIW I don’t mind Chuck Schumer but I hope we have another Senate Leader by the end of the next Democratic President’s time in office.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:59:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:59:31pm

re: #80 Colère Tueur de Lapin

You forgot the bit about covering him in honey prior to the staking.

NOT THE BEES!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 15, 2019 • 6:59:32pm

re: #74 MsJ

Yes, please to bring back Firefly.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:00:10pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Well I’m talking about people around 40 years old. Not over 40. I wager to say that 40-50 year olds are probably more likely to have a BA than most demographic groups.

Using Wikipedia (citation needed), completing a college degree for those aged 25-29 rose from about 5% in 1940 to a bit less than 30% by 2015.

In 2003, over four-fifths (85 percent) of all adults 25 years or older reported they had completed at least high school, or obtained a GED/high school equivalency certificate. Over one in four adults (27 percent) had attained at least a bachelor’s degree. Both of these measures are all time highs. In 2003, the percentage of the adult population who had completed high school or had not completed high school but obtained a GED increased for the first time since 2000, when it was 84 percent. This increase follows a general trend that the Current Population Survey has shown since educational attainment was first measured in 1947.

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Further down the article, they note in the last fifty years or so the number of people who have obtained a high school diploma has increased from 85% to 89%.

en.wikipedia.org

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:00:16pm

re: #36 Single-handed sailor

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Trump admin bringing back furloughed staff during shutdown to work on offshore drilling expansion

The government is closed, except for the parts we need:
-to get us what we want (drilling)
- or to keep us from looking worse (ie irs)

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:00:17pm

re: #45 MsJ

LOL

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Any idea what that tiny little pupper is as far as breed? So damn cute.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:00:38pm

re: #82 Belafon

Lol oooops

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:00:41pm

re: #82 Belafon

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Rice made her bed. She can sit in it. I feel bad for her constituents though because surely they didn’t want her to do this and I don’t think she gave any indication that she would.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:01:10pm
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William Lewis  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:01:46pm

re: #80 Colère Tueur de Lapin

You forgot the bit about covering him in honey prior to the staking.

That tempts me to think of some of the nastier bits out of history. It is sometimes a pity that we are civilized now…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:02:46pm

re: #85 Anymouse ??

Using Wikipedia (citation needed), completing a college degree for those aged 25-29 rose from about 5% in 1940 to a bit less than 30% by 2015.

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Further down the article, they note in the last fifty years or so the number of people who have obtained a high school diploma has increased from 85% to 89%.

en.wikipedia.org

That makes sense to me. And that really is the triumph of the GI Bill right there. I’d be curious to see the amount of post secondary education in 1940 versus today. My one grandfather never went to college or an university but he did use his GI benefits for trade school which allowed him to pursue the career he wanted to do and that really is why my mom and uncle were able to get the life they got. My mom didn’t grow up affluent, far from it but she grew up decent enough that her and her brother could afford college and get degrees.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:03:02pm

re: #87 ObserverArt

Any idea what that tiny little pupper is as far as breed? So damn cute.

I’m thinking a Maltese.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:03:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:03:59pm

re: #90 MsJ

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As people are saying, that’s really not on Google in itself but the people who search on Google but man it tells you all you need to know about sexism in our society because I wonder what you’d get for Paul Ryan and that’s even with his douchey bro photos he took.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:04:38pm

re: #94 Anymouse ??

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Blumenthal is a little bit on the older side but I’m starting to think he might be a great pick for AG himself. He’s a great fighter.

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KGxvi  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:05:41pm

re: #35 MsJ

I feel ya.

But I thought it was so sweet and thoughtful.

I get where the teammate was coming from. It just wouldn’t have been the way to console me

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:05:51pm

re: #69 Belafon

Well, I’m a firm believer in the idea that you don’t really understand something unless you can explain some of it to kids. I also know that not everyone is experienced in finance and that these things must be explained to them.

As a teacher or trainer you should be able to explain the same thing three different ways. One reason is age and experience of the audience.. another is that some people just don’t get some concepts the first time.

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William Lewis  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:06:33pm

re: #84 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Yes, please to bring back Firefly.

My first reaction was “There’s got to be something better than “Outlaw Josey Wales IN SPAAAAACE!” but then I don’t watch TV anymore. I really can’t think of anything I miss enough to care about that isn’t decades old (Rockford Files, Hill Street Blues, Star Trek TOS, etc).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:08:18pm

I was having a conversation with a few friends. One a more hardcore libertarian and the other two who have a good amount of libertarian beliefs but are more practical minded when it comes to economics. Anyhow, we were discussing what we thought the greatest triumphs and two of us including me said the GI Bill because of how many people it helped get educations that wouldn’t have otherwise. My other buddy pointed to the federal highway system that Ike implemented which I also thought was a good point. Point I guess in the end is that government certainly isn’t a malignant force. It can and in fact is often a positive force in society’s successes.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:08:59pm
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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:10:08pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

The issue on college still remains the overwhelming majority of jobs (quantity) do not require college degrees. My carpenter nor electrician do not require mechanical nor electrical engineering degrees, but there are far more carpenter and electrician jobs available than engineering jobs available.

I am not trying to denigrate college degrees; I wish I’d had the opportunity to go to college myself.

bls.gov

A chart and explanation from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The overwhelming number of jobs in the USA require either no formal education or a high school diploma.

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:10:08pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Yeah I get it, our politicians should just talk like Trump and sound like morons. So sick of his faux populist bullshit.

I had an instructor at my art college who one day had a student in our advanced typography class that was just lazy and couldn’t comprehend concepts. He was always being a pain in the ass.

One class the student said something like “I don’t get this, and I think you are teaching too fast.”

The teacher dryly said: “If I teach down to your level and slow everything down I will bore and be a disservice to all the other students in this class. I hope you understand that at least.”

And he went on. That student didn’t make it. He was gone after the second year.

I still use that as an example of how you have to keep the smart ones smart and hope others will learn something and maybe learn to learn. Come along or be left behind.

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EPR-radar  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:10:16pm

re: #98 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

As a teacher or trainer you should be able to explain the same thing three different ways. One reason is age and experience of the audience.. another is that some people just don’t get some concepts the first time.

I think I eventually ended up with four different ways to explain my dissertation topic. Even for people in the same field with the same background, some explanations were useless and others worked like a charm. And it was different from person to person, so there was no ‘best’ explanation.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:10:18pm

re: #99 William Lewis

My first reaction was “There’s got to be something better than “Outlaw Josey Wales IN SPAAAAACE!” but then I don’t watch TV anymore. I really can’t think of anything I miss enough to care about that isn’t decades old (Rockford Files, Hill Street Blues, Star Trek TOS, etc).

If you never watched it you have no idea how good it was.

And I hate westerns.

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KGxvi  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:11:54pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

I gotta ask though. How many 40 year olds only have high school degrees these days?

According to this, a little more than 60% of American adults over the age of 25, don’t have a college degree. About 40% between 25 and 34 have a college degree. Over 65 it’s at about 30%. I’d assume those between 35 and 64 is probably somewhere in the middle. It’s still the most educated we’ve ever been

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retired cynic  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:13:51pm

re: #102 Anymouse ??

The issue on college still remains the overwhelming majority of jobs (quantity) do not require college degrees. My carpenter nor electrician do not require mechanical nor electrical engineering degrees, but there are far more carpenter and electrician jobs available than engineering jobs available.

I am not trying to denigrate college degrees; I wish I’d had the opportunity to go to college myself.

bls.gov

A chart and explanation from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The overwhelming number of jobs in the USA require either no formal education or a high school diploma.

Few people in our area have college degrees. The majority would be either teachers or women with secretarial school diplomas. Of course, there are doctors and lawyers, but they are not the norm.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:13:57pm

re: #102 Anymouse ??

The issue on college still remains the overwhelming majority of jobs (quantity) do not require college degrees. My carpenter nor electrician do not require mechanical nor electrical engineering degrees, but there are far more carpenter and electrician jobs available than engineering jobs available.

I am not trying to denigrate college degrees; I wish I’d had the opportunity to go to college myself.

bls.gov

A chart and explanation from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The overwhelming number of jobs in the USA require either no formal education or a high school diploma.

See for me, my degree helped me understand things better. It helped with my critical thinking and writing skills. My paralegal certificate likewise gave me an understanding about the law that I wouldn’t have otherwise.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:14:05pm

Be fucking gone with you.

Be gone.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:14:48pm

re: #101 MsJ

If you were to have told me a month ago that Sen. Schumer would show signs of becoming a political dynamo — given his limitations! — I wouldn’t have believed you.

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:15:09pm

re: #78 teleskiguy

Our currency in 10 years!

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Our currency now!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:15:39pm

re: #109 MsJ

Be fucking gone with you.

Be gone.

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This man is also a former governor.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:16:25pm

re: #103 ObserverArt

That also brings up a sensitive topic: How to inform a student he or she may have picked a subject to study beyond their capacity.

Moreover, just because a person picked an area of study in college beyond their capacity does not mean all areas of college are so.

(That reminds me of the screening test the VA used when I was in the process of being mustered out of the Navy due to epilepsy. The VA test showed I would do best in physics, mathematics, or chemistry. Then the VA informed me since they’d rated me “unemployable” they would not be sending me to college - or even barber school. Pesky rating locked me out of my VA benefits by law.)

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:16:40pm

re: #74 MsJ

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:17:01pm

re: #111 ObserverArt

Our currency now!

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I just look at that mug and wonder how the hell he is our President. I don’t remember him in the 80’s. I was too young but I certainly remember 1990’s Donald Trump who was pretty much Paris Hilton before Paris Hilton. Famous for being famous and being obnoxious.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:17:43pm

re: #107 retired cynic

Few people in our area have college degrees. The majority would be either teachers or women with secretarial school diplomas. Of course, there are doctors and lawyers, but they are not the norm.

Most of the people in my town have college degrees, mostly in agricultural science. A few (mostly elderly women) have not completed eighth grade.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:18:39pm

re: #113 Anymouse ??

physics, mathematics, or chemistry

So, you’d be able to solve problems that most people couldn’t understand.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:18:59pm

re: #113 Anymouse ??

That also brings up a sensitive topic: How to inform a student he or she may have picked a subject to study beyond their capacity.

Moreover, just because a person picked an area of study in college beyond their capacity does not mean all areas of college are so.

(That reminds me of the screening test the VA used when I was in the process of being mustered out of the Navy due to epilepsy. The VA test showed I would do best in physics, mathematics, or chemistry. Then the VA informed me since they’d rated me “unemployable” they would not be sending me to college - or even barber school. Pesky rating locked me out of my VA benefits by law.)

I think that speaks at why I feel Bernie’s free college for all isn’t the solution. The solution is accommodations. One side effect of Asperger’s is shitty handwriting. I have terrible handwriting. No one can consistently read it. I managed to get an accommodation that allowed me to type my tests.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:19:14pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

This man is also a former governor.

Republican …

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William Lewis  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:19:24pm

re: #105 MsJ

If you never watched it you have no idea how good it was.

And I hate westerns.

Thanks to other people I have watched all of it. The best episode was average for TV and the movie was meh. The rest was just badly written westerns by people who don’t understand science. Sorry. All the witty dialog in the world can’t make up for poor plots and utterly impossible physics, astronomy, sociology, etc

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:20:01pm

re: #114 Belafon

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Another good one was Almost Human.

It should be illegal for Fox to ever be allowed to have anything to do with SciFi. That show was excellent but they did the same thing as what they did to Firefly, they showed episodes out of order which made things not make sense.

Karl Urban and Michael Ealy were excellent in that show just like Nathan Fillion, Gina Torres and Morena Bacharan were in Firefly.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:20:23pm

re: #119 Anymouse ??

Republican …

I think that went without saying given his words here.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:20:23pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

I think that speaks at why I feel Bernie’s free college for all isn’t the solution. The solution is accommodations. One side effect of Asperger’s is shitty handwriting. I have terrible handwriting. No one can consistently read it. I managed to get an accommodation that allowed me to type my tests.

My handwriting is very close to bookhand perfect Palmer method. I frequently get told “you write like a girl.”

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:21:32pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:21:35pm

re: #93 MsJ

I’m thinking a Maltese.

Looking at Google I think you are correct. There are images of other tiny fluffy pups.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:22:35pm

re: #123 Anymouse ??

My handwriting is very close to bookhand perfect Palmer method. I frequently get told “you write like a girl.”

I wish I had better handwriting. I joke about it but I hate it being so crappy. I always felt I would have done better in school if I were a little younger than I was. I actually did better in college than high school since I had access to more computers to type my work. I did have an Alpha Smart that I used in grade school on and off but it really wasn’t that user friendly and it was a pain in the ass but had I been born in 1997 rather than 1987, I probably would have gotten it in my IEP to be able to take a laptop to class and take notes.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:23:22pm

re: #124 Single-handed sailor

Only Trump could take the Obama economy and run it into the ground. I just hope we have someone sane and rational at the helm to help us pick up the pieces.

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retired cynic  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:24:15pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

My husband’s handwriting was AWFUL. He typed most of his letters. I learned to transcribe it and type his manuscripts, but zowee!

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:24:59pm

re: #38 Anymouse ??

My wife just finished knitting a sweater for me. It is wonderfully warm, and very snug.

It kind of makes me look way too thin though. Perhaps the horizontal ribs on it?

Photo or it didn’t happen.

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retired cynic  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:25:27pm

re: #127 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Only W could take the Clinton economy and run it into the ground.

I sense a pattern.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:25:37pm

re: #128 retired cynic

My husband’s handwriting was AWFUL. He typed most of his letters. I learned to transcribe it and type his manuscripts, but zowee!

I have the duel curse of being both on the spectrum and being a lefty. However since my niece started writing, I can’t fully blame being a lefty anymore since her handwriting while not great is good. I think it runs in our family though. My other two brothers’ handwriting isn’t the best either.

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calochortus  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:25:45pm

re: #107 retired cynic

Few people in our area have college degrees. The majority would be either teachers or women with secretarial school diplomas. Of course, there are doctors and lawyers, but they are not the norm.

So my community is an outlier?

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:26:07pm

re: #117 Belafon

So, you’d be able to solve problems that most people couldn’t understand.

I don’t know. A single screening test doesn’t seem to me to be able to correctly pigeonhole someone.

My best friend in the Navy was in a motorcycle accident and also put out of the service. The VA did not rate him unemployable (despite being on a walker to this day), and sent him to college for a PhD in physics. He is now a professor of physics.

A couple years ago, the VA sent him on a summer internship to CERN.

They also bought him a pickup truck with certain modifications since he can’t ride a motorcycle anymore.

Lesson learned: I should have learned to ride motorcycles. /s

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:26:10pm

re: #130 retired cynic

Only W could take the Clinton economy and run it into the ground.

I sense a pattern.

Only Bevin could take the O’Rourke economy*

*Hopefully not and we’ve learned our lesson by then

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KGxvi  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:26:17pm

re: #121 MsJ

Another good one was Almost Human.

It should be illegal for Fox to ever be allowed to have anything to do with SciFi. That show was excellent but they did the same thing as what they did to Firefly, they showed episodes out of order which made things not make sense.

Karl Urban and Michael Ealy were excellent in that show just like Nathan Fillion, Gina Torres and Morena Bacharan were in Firefly.

I’m on board with bringing Firefly back, but I love almost everything Whedon does. But mentioning Almost Human reminds me of Being Human, but I liked the BBC version better.

Also miss Dark Angel… but I think too much time has passed on that one

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:26:54pm

re: #130 retired cynic

Only W could take the Clinton economy and run it into the ground.

I sense a pattern.

Bahahaha, I didn’t think about that. Though to be at least partially fair to our not-quite-so-beloved Dubya, getting attacked by terrorists will tend to put a dent in ANY economy for a while.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:27:18pm

re: #127 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Only Trump could take the Obama economy and run it into the ground. I just hope we have someone sane and rational at the helm to help us pick up the pieces.

They’re going to have their fucking hands full with so much more than a broken economy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:27:41pm

I wish Boardwalk Empire had lasted longer. They really rushed it at the end which was a shame IMO. Also, it makes me sad thinking about the Simpsons without Phil Hartman for now 20 years.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:27:58pm

re: #129 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Photo or it didn’t happen.

LOL.

The other sweater she knitted for me at the beginning of autumn is made out of super-soft yarn and reaches the floor. When I’m wearing it I look like a giant pile of yarn.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:28:04pm

re: #130 retired cynic

Only W could take the Clinton economy and run it into the ground.

I sense a pattern.

Only Herbert Hoover could… yeah, you get the picture.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:28:38pm

Remember all of those Republican women who were going to make up stories about being sexually assaulted by the male Democratic candidates? They’re going to have to find them first.

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KGxvi  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:28:38pm

re: #136 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Bahahaha, I didn’t think about that. Though to be at least partially fair to our not-quite-so-beloved Dubya, getting attacked by terrorists will tend to put a dent in ANY economy for a while.

Plus the dotcom bubble was going to burst at some point. Unfortunately, W also ended up with the housing bubble - which still seems like a bipartisan fuck up

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:28:40pm

re: #136 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Bahahaha, I didn’t think about that. Though to be at least partially fair to our not-quite-so-beloved Dubya, getting attacked by terrorists will tend to put a dent in ANY economy for a while.

That’s true. The problem with W though is he continued to push tax cuts and two wars at the same time. But that’s the Republican mentality for you and it’s why I’m so glad we didn’t have Supply Siders running us during WWII.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:29:06pm

re: #140 Myron Falwell

Only Herbert Hoover could… yeah, you get the picture.

I like Hoover better than I do Wilson. I’m a Wilsonian who hates Wilson. Riddle me that.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:29:35pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I like Hoover better than I do Wilson. I’m a Wilsonian who hates Wilson. Riddle me that.

Racism will tend to do that for me. He only set the country back 50 years on that front.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:30:06pm

re: #141 Belafon

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Remember all of those Republican women who were going to make up stories about being sexually assaulted by the male Democratic candidates? They’re going to have to find them first.

I know some of you don’t like her for her role in getting Franken the boot but I do like her. I wonder how much support Schumer and the other NY delegation is going to give to her.

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jeffreyw  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:30:49pm

re: #80 Colère Tueur de Lapin

You forgot the bit about covering him in honey prior to the staking.

Why make it so quick? Too much like a mercy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:31:00pm

re: #145 Belafon

Racism will tend to do that for me. He only set the country back 50 years on that front.

Not just a racist but probably one of the worst Presidents ever on Civil Liberties. His racism also may have indirectly led to the Vietnam War too by completely dismissing Ho Chi Minh.

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Jay C  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:31:13pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

I think that speaks at why I feel Bernie’s free college for all isn’t the solution. The solution is accommodations. One side effect of Asperger’s is shitty handwriting. I have terrible handwriting. No one can consistently read it. I managed to get an accommodation that allowed me to type my tests.

Modern methods of communication make such things increasingly irrelevant. I recall visiting with some friends about a decade ago, and talking with their son (then aged about 14). He literally couldn’t (or, to be precise, never bothered to) write longhand. Anything. His logic? Anything important to communicate could be typed. Except for his signature, which was basically a stylized glyph, so why bother “writing”?

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KGxvi  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:31:44pm

re: #141 Belafon

So apparently the words she used on Colbert might mean she can’t have an exploratory committee. Something about the difference between “I’m thinking of running” and “I’m running”… not sure though because I wasn’t paying full attention to the twitters when I scrolled past (it doesn’t matter, she’s running)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:32:30pm

re: #149 Jay C

Modern methods of communication make such things increasingly irrelevant. I recall visiting with some friends about a decade ago, and talking with their son (then aged about 14). He literally couldn’t (or, to be precise, never bothered to) write longhand. Anything. His logic? Anything important to communicate could be typed. Except for his signature, which was basically a stylized glyph, so why bother “writing”?

To tell a truth, I never really learned cursive. My signature is just connected letters.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:33:15pm

re: #149 Jay C

Modern methods of communication make such things increasingly irrelevant. I recall visiting with some friends about a decade ago, and talking with their son (then aged about 14). He literally couldn’t (or, to be precise, never bothered to) write longhand. Anything. His logic? Anything important to communicate could be typed. Except for his signature, which was basically a stylized glyph, so why bother “writing”?

I know some people here don’t like this, but I’m personally ok with my kids not knowing cursive beyond being able to read it. I wish they had gotten at least some typing, but there really isn’t a reason for two methods of writing these days.

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William Lewis  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:33:25pm

re: #135 KGxvi

I’m on board with bringing Firefly back, but I love almost everything Whedon does. But mentioning Almost Human reminds me of Being Human, but I liked the BBC version better.

Also miss Dark Angel… but I think too much time has passed on that one

Ah, I had forgotten that one. Dark Angel was a good bit of TV science fiction that actually got some of the science closer than most TV bothers.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:33:38pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I like Hoover better than I do Wilson. I’m a Wilsonian who hates Wilson. Riddle me that.

Hoover ratified the Hawley-Smoot Tarriff, which is one of the funniest names for a piece of legislation ever. IMO.

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mmmirele  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:33:43pm

re: #4 EPR-radar

It’s a damn shame there’s no way to have McConnell staked out over an ant hill in a Southern hemisphere desert as long as the shutdown lasts.

We don’t even have to go to a Southern hemisphere desert. I know of plenty of backyards in Texas where we can stake him on top of a fire ant mound.

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:34:40pm

re: #123 Anymouse ??

My handwriting is very close to bookhand perfect Palmer method. I frequently get told “you write like a girl.”

Me too. I took the nuns in Catholic school seriously and then the artist side of me kicked in too. I could do cursive and print very well.

My cursive is not as good now as I don’t use it all that much anymore.

My printing can be very good when I take a little time.

Damn computers!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:34:50pm

re: #152 Belafon

I know some people here don’t like this, but I’m personally ok with my kids not knowing cursive beyond being able to read it. I wish they had gotten at least some typing, but there really isn’t a reason for two methods of writing these days.

For your kids generation and also that of my youngest brother who funnily enough was born when I was in 8th grade keyboarding, typing is so much more important. Keyboarding wasn’t the most exciting elective that I ever took but it by far was the most important. I’m glad to see that it’s required now the way shop used to be. Shop was fun but not really practical as keyboarding turned out to be.

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Chrysicat  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:35:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:35:45pm

re: #154 Myron Falwell

Hoover ratified the Hawley-Smoot Tarriff, which is one of the funniest names for a piece of legislation ever. IMO.

Yes he did. Don’t get me wrong. Hoover deserves the flack he gets but he to me is the least evil of the 20’s Presidents. All of them are awful in various degrees IMO.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:36:25pm

So racist Chris Pratt is marrying a Schwarzenegger offspring, his second wife, and they get to live In Faith.

I hate people.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:36:46pm

re: #158 Chrysicat

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It wouldn’t be treason. Yes, they could end up in jail, but it could easily turn out to be like the release of the Pentagon papers.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:36:48pm

re: #149 Jay C

Modern methods of communication make such things increasingly irrelevant. I recall visiting with some friends about a decade ago, and talking with their son (then aged about 14). He literally couldn’t (or, to be precise, never bothered to) write longhand. Anything. His logic? Anything important to communicate could be typed. Except for his signature, which was basically a stylized glyph, so why bother “writing”?

Make Cuneiform Great Again!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:36:56pm

OT behind the private tag:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:37:14pm

But yes I remember Smoot-Hawley for two reasons. One, it’s what Ben Stein was droning about in the infamous Bueller….Bueller scene and two Michelle Bachmann used it wrongly as an attempt to bash FDR and the New Deal.

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mmmirele  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:37:27pm

re: #109 MsJ

Be fucking gone with you.

Be gone.

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Rachael Denhollander wasn’t having any of his shit.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:37:29pm

re: #160 MsJ

So racist Chris Pratt is marrying a Schwarzenegger offspring, his second wife, and they get to live In Faith.

I hate people.

Wait Pratt is a racist?

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calochortus  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:37:38pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

To tell a truth, I never really learned cursive. My signature is just connected letters.

I learned cursive, and then had to unlearn it when I took a surveying class. It was in the engineering department and apparently engineers print, by god. My handwriting now (45 years later) is a weird hash of sort of connected printed letters. Except my signature. That is cursive.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:37:45pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

I wish I had better handwriting. I joke about it but I hate it being so crappy. I always felt I would have done better in school if I were a little younger than I was. I actually did better in college than high school since I had access to more computers to type my work. I did have an Alpha Smart that I used in grade school on and off but it really wasn’t that user friendly and it was a pain in the ass but had I been born in 1997 rather than 1987, I probably would have gotten it in my IEP to be able to take a laptop to class and take notes.

You’re just a yet to be realized doctor.

You’re young!!

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Mattand  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:38:14pm

re: #160 MsJ

So racist Chris Pratt is marrying a Schwarzenegger offspring, his second wife, and they get to live In Faith.

I hate people.

Racist Chris Pratt?

Do I even want to know?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:38:18pm

re: #165 mmmirele

Rachael Denhollander wasn’t having any of his shit.

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It reminds me of the crap where I see rape victims told they’re just doing it for attention and fame. Yeah that’s like totally not right at all.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:38:42pm

re: #127 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Only Trump could take the Obama economy and run it into the ground. I just hope we have someone sane and rational at the helm to help us pick up the pieces.

Nah. Any Republican could do that.

Trump just did a spectacular fuck up, as is his way.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:39:12pm

re: #167 calochortus

I learned cursive, and then had to unlearn it when I took a surveying class. It was in the engineering department and apparently engineers print, by god. My handwriting now (45 years later) is a weird hash of sort of connected printed letters. Except my signature. That is cursive.

Yes, engineers print in nice block letters. My cursive handwriting is actually immaculate, because I use it so rarely that I have to focus on it just to remember the shapes of all the letters. My hurried chicken-scratch writing looks like hot garbage, though.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:39:19pm

re: #168 MsJ

You’re just a yet to be realized doctor.

You’re young!!

You know me by now, I’m a social sciences guy. Funnily enough, I do remember my 9th grade biology teacher calling me Doctor. I didn’t get it at the time but now I do.

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retired cynic  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:39:41pm

re: #163 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:39:58pm

re: #171 MsJ

Nah. Any Republican could do that.

Trump just did a spectacular fuck up, as is his way.

Hell Rubio would probably be spending even more on defense. Cruz would be using it for his bizarre so-con obsessions.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:40:31pm

re: #161 Belafon

It wouldn’t be treason. Yes, they could end up in jail, but it could easily turn out to be like the release of the Pentagon papers.

And all it would take would be another Senator Gravel to read it into the Senate record.

There are times when people decided the possibility of jail is outweighed by the public good, whether it was Daniel Ellison releasing the Pentagon Papers or African-Americans taking on Woolworth’s lunch counters in Dixie.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:40:46pm

re: #161 Belafon

It wouldn’t be treason. Yes, they could end up in jail, but it could easily turn out to be like the release of the Pentagon papers.

That’s exactly what I was thinking.

And because the NYT/WaPo established precedent by prevailing in court over publication of the Pentagon Papers, that would automatically give cover to any self-respecting media outlet.

The question is, would the media want to run the report? Or does some obscure website publish it and upstage them?

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:41:12pm

re: #167 calochortus

I learned cursive, and then had to unlearn it when I took a surveying class. It was in the engineering department and apparently engineers print, by god. My handwriting now (45 years later) is a weird hash of sort of connected printed letters. Except my signature. That is cursive.

When I took the GRE, they made me copy the paragraph stating the rules in cursive before I could take the test. I was 35, and hadn’t written cursive in 16 years. It took me about 15 minutes to copy a ten line set of instructions.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:41:15pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

That makes sense to me. And that really is the triumph of the GI Bill right there. I’d be curious to see the amount of post secondary education in 1940 versus today. My one grandfather never went to college or an university but he did use his GI benefits for trade school which allowed him to pursue the career he wanted to do and that really is why my mom and uncle were able to get the life they got. My mom didn’t grow up affluent, far from it but she grew up decent enough that her and her brother could afford college and get degrees.

Interesting story. My grandfather was first taken in by an aunt when his parents divorced (circa 1923), but the aunt couldn’t handle the angry young boy, so he was sent to Father Flanagan’s Boys Town. He received an education until he was 15 when they let kids go out into the world. He met my grandmother and married her when he was 21-22. He was a still photographer for the major studios in LA, then worked on the railroad during WWII. Afterwards, he went to work for a doctor in Mojave who owned the hospital there. The doctor decided to get extra training to be a radiologist and sent my grandfather to Case Western Reserve in Ohio for college to become a radiology technician. He didn’t have a high school diploma which was a necessary item to get admitted to the college. My grandmother somehow got hold of official letterhead from a school and made up a fake high school transcript so he could get admitted!!! He ended up being the first radiology technician in Las Vegas, Nevada when the doctor moved here back in the 1950s. He worked for iterations of that company for over 50 years! My dad was the next person who got a degree, a Ph.D. in zoology.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:41:41pm

re: #163 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

OT behind the private tag:

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Mattand  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:41:50pm

re: #167 calochortus

I learned cursive, and then had to unlearn it when I took a surveying class. It was in the engineering department and apparently engineers print, by god. My handwriting now (45 years later) is a weird hash of sort of connected printed letters. Except my signature. That is cursive.

Basically the same. I’ve been using keyboards since I learned to type in 1980. I’ve utterly forgotten how to write cursive, outside of my signature. If I have to write by hand, it’s block lettering, and even that’s falling apart now.

If I could get out of writing checks completely, I’d never hand write anything again.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:42:34pm

re: #135 KGxvi

I’m on board with bringing Firefly back, but I love almost everything Whedon does. But mentioning Almost Human reminds me of Being Human, but I liked the BBC version better.

Also miss Dark Angel… but I think too much time has passed on that one

Add Dark Matter to my list.

I liked Angel better than Buffy. I’m excited there’s a Buffy reboot coming and Joss is heading out up. Now, bring back Angel. I love love love Urban Fantasy.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:43:03pm

re: #177 Myron Falwell

That’s exactly what I was thinking.

And because the NYT/WaPo established precedent by prevailing in court over publication of the Pentagon Papers, that would automatically give cover to any self-respecting media outlet.

The question is, would the media want to run the report? Or does some obscure website publish it and upstage them?

See Mr. Johnson and his little outfit here debunking the GW Bush Air National Guard letter. (That didn’t involve classified information, but otherwise was the same: Taking on the established media narrative and showing why it was false.)

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:43:06pm

re: #163 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

OT behind the private tag:

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KGxvi  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:43:22pm

re: #177 Myron Falwell

That’s exactly what I was thinking.

And because the NYT/WaPo established precedent by prevailing in court over publication of the Pentagon Papers, that would automatically give cover to any self-respecting media outlet.

The question is, would the media want to run the report? Or does some obscure website publish it and upstage them?

It should be published like the 9/11 Commission and found wherever books are sold

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:43:32pm

re: #163 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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Jay C  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:44:39pm

re: #152 Belafon

I know some people here don’t like this, but I’m personally ok with my kids not knowing cursive beyond being able to read it. I wish they had gotten at least some typing, but there really isn’t a reason for two methods of writing these days.

TBH, I couldn’t really find a flaw in our friends’ son’s argument, either. As long as he could get by in today’s society without actually needing to “write”, it was all fine. As long as.

It was also a strange sort of historical hommage: I recall seeing on Wikipedia the “signature” of some early-Medieval (?)Spanish king - it was basically a square with an “X” in the middle, and a couple of loops on the side - not really a signature*, but, since it was an era when no one read or wrote, the next best thing…

*some later Spanish kings signed their docs with, simply ,”yo el rey”: simple enough, one supposes…

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:45:13pm

re: #102 Anymouse ??

The issue on college still remains the overwhelming majority of jobs (quantity) do not require college degrees. My carpenter nor electrician do not require mechanical nor electrical engineering degrees, but there are far more carpenter and electrician jobs available than engineering jobs available.

I am not trying to denigrate college degrees; I wish I’d had the opportunity to go to college myself.

bls.gov

A chart and explanation from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The overwhelming number of jobs in the USA require either no formal education or a high school diploma.

We do have a serious need for trained skilled tradesmen. I think we need more vocational programs in high school for those students who want to train for a profession that they will be able to use when they graduate. I have a problem with the idea that everyone needs to have an education in high school to go to college. That’s not realistic and that’s not what everyone wants. Provide the training that students want and I’ll bet you’d actually see graduation rates climb because they would have a reason for going to school.

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Chrysicat  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:45:42pm

re: #161 Belafon

It wouldn’t be treason. Yes, they could end up in jail, but it could easily turn out to be like the release of the Pentagon papers.

I’ll admit it meets no logical definition of treason. I still don’t trust Barr and the Trump-appointed judge who’ll be giving out jury instructions or conducting a bench trial to follow the legal definition of treason when the leaker is charged.

I hate this timeline so much and wish Sliding tech were real…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:45:52pm

re: #179 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Interesting story. My grandfather was first taken in by an aunt when his parents divorced (circa 1923), but the aunt couldn’t handle the angry young boy, so he was sent to Father Flanagan’s Boys Town. He received an education until he was 15 when they let kids go out into the world. He met my grandmother and married her when he was 21-22. He was a still photographer for the major studios in LA, then worked on the railroad during WWII. Afterwards, he went to work for a doctor in Mojave who owned the hospital there. The doctor decided to get extra training to be a radiologist and sent my grandfather to Case Western Reserve in Ohio for college to become a radiology technician. He didn’t have a high school diploma which was a necessary item to get admitted to the college. My grandmother somehow got hold of official letterhead from a school and made up a fake high school transcript so he could get admitted!!! He ended up being the first radiology technician in Las Vegas, Nevada when the doctor moved here back in the 1950s. He worked for iterations of that company for over 50 years! My dad was the next person who got a degree, a Ph.D. in zoology.

Your grandfather sounds like he lived a fascinating life and you’re showing why I love genealogy. I love stories like that. My Grandpa’s story was pretty much he saw his brothers and dad work in the mines. He definitely saw that the mines and steel mills shortened lives. He tried working in a steel mill or coal mine, I’m not sure if it it was before or after he got shipped out to Korea but he apparently didn’t like it. Like my brother- the father of my niece he loved being outside so he trained to become a brickmason. He did that for a lot of years, worked along side Richard Loving of Loving v Virginia fame I kid you not, and even employed some cocky hippie that about ten years later would become his son in law(my Dad). But it was good. He lived to be 79 and although it’s been ten years since he left us now, I know he got a good life because of the GI Bill that he wouldn’t ahve otherwise. We’re convinced that he had a learning disability and probably would have needed an IEP like my one brother and I did. had he gone to school now.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:45:53pm

re: #182 MsJ

Add Dark Matter to my list.

I liked Angel better than Buffy. I’m excited there’s a Buffy reboot coming and Joss is heading out up. Now, bring back Angel. I love love love Urban Fantasy.

If you add Dark Matter, will we be able to find it?

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Jay C  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:46:35pm

re: #163 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:47:02pm

re: #185 KGxvi

It should be published like the 9/11 Commission and found wherever books are sold

Something tells me that’ll be a 25-volume encyclopedia like the World Book set.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:47:49pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

That makes sense to me. And that really is the triumph of the GI Bill right there. I’d be curious to see the amount of post secondary education in 1940 versus today.

The first chart in the Wikipedia article I linked shows that.

en.wikipedia.org

They also show educational attainment by state. The ones with the highest percentage of advanced degrees are all liberal states (except curiously, Wyoming, perhaps because of its oil and gas industries).

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calochortus  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:47:51pm

re: #193 Myron Falwell

Something tells me that’ll be a 25-volume encyclopedia like the World Book set.

Could we get it with a nice leather binding for posterity?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:48:47pm

re: #188 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

We do have a serious need for trained skilled tradesmen. I think we need more vocational programs in high school for those students who want to train for a profession that they will be able to use when they graduate. I have a problem with the idea that everyone needs to have an education in high school to go to college. That’s not realistic and that’s not what everyone wants. Provide the training that students want and I’ll bet you’d actually see graduation rates climb because they would have a reason for going to school.

I remember Obama talking about the idea that everyone should have some sort of post secondary education. Doesn’t matter if it was more academic like mine or vocational like my grandpa’s as I mentioned and I just remember this because it was so absurd even for a moron like him but Rick Santorum saying Obama was a snob for it. Yeah Rick because wanting more people educated and thus prosperous is snobbery. And then he was the runner up to the free stuff guy who now masquerades as a fake conscience of the GOP.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:49:02pm

re: #165 mmmirele

Rachael Denhollander wasn’t having any of his shit.

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Nor are any of the others replying to her.

Someone said the board was meeting tonight with some announcement coming tonight or tomorrow morning.

Let’s hope they get it right.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:49:10pm

re: #188 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

We do have a serious need for trained skilled tradesmen. I think we need more vocational programs in high school for those students who want to train for a profession that they will be able to use when they graduate. I have a problem with the idea that everyone needs to have an education in high school to go to college. That’s not realistic and that’s not what everyone wants. Provide the training that students want and I’ll bet you’d actually see graduation rates climb because they would have a reason for going to school.

I think there ought to be some basics taught - literature, government, history - but we really should do a better job of identifying the level of school needed for careers and not stigmatize two year colleges or trade schools. Personally, I don’t even think a lot of software engineering needs full degrees. Really, a trade school and internships would work better.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:49:37pm

re: #107 retired cynic

Few people in our area have college degrees. The majority would be either teachers or women with secretarial school diplomas. Of course, there are doctors and lawyers, but they are not the norm.

And having a degree myself in elementary education, it’s frankly a cakewalk degree. Or at least I thought so until I saw people who was completely struggling, couldn’t pass the PRAXIS test, never could understand any of the concepts of how to teach, classroom management, etc. It’s basically a degree in common sense, if you ask me. Oh, and you SHOULD be able to pass the PRAXIS test. It’s not difficult and if you can’t pass it, you don’t have the content knowledge to teach. Geez Louise.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:49:50pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Wait Pratt is a racist?

Yeah. An incredible disappointment. I’ll never look at him the same way again. He kinda disgusts me.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:51:05pm

re: #200 MsJ

Yeah. An incredible disappointment. I’ll never look at him the same way again. He kinda disgusts me.

Tell us more. I hadn’t heard about this and yeah while I don’t consider myself a fan of his, it’s disappointing because he seems like a decent enough guy but I’ve been disappointed by people before. I remember when a baseball player I liked for the Orioles started saying birther shit about Obama and I never could look at him the same way again. Also not shockingly a huge gun nut too. If Kid A’s here, Luke Scott is whom I’m talking about. KA may rememer him too since he’s a big Astros fan and Scott was with Houston for awhile.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:51:46pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

I think that speaks at why I feel Bernie’s free college for all isn’t the solution. The solution is accommodations. One side effect of Asperger’s is shitty handwriting. I have terrible handwriting. No one can consistently read it. I managed to get an accommodation that allowed me to type my tests.

And, one usually has to have parents who are willing to go to the mat to get the accommodations in the first place for their kids. I think it’s starting to get easier to get them, but it was a real struggle when I was teaching 15 years ago.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:56:05pm

re: #183 Anymouse ??

See Mr. Johnson and his little outfit here debunking the GW Bush Air National Guard letter. (That didn’t involve classified information, but otherwise was the same: Taking on the established media narrative and showing why it was false.)

LGF was what I was thinking of. A small outlet that winds up making a big-time splash.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:56:30pm

re: #202 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

And, one usually has to have parents who are willing to go to the mat to get the accommodations in the first place for their kids. I think it’s starting to get easier to get them, but it was a real struggle when I was teaching 15 years ago.

When I was in grade school, we had things like speech therapy which did help me. I still slightly lisp my words I’m told and some self contained (smaller classes). The thing is everyone’s different. I probably could have done AP history and passed with flying colors but I also needed a smaller class for something like math. I think I struggled especially with math in college because the math course required for history majors was a Gen Ed that had a huge class and the professor wouldn’t have had time to meet with me one or one. I did finally end up passing but tbh I got really lucky with the professor who allowed us a retake. Some of my skills are savant like. I’m very good what I’m very good at but I’m awful what I’m awful at. I struggled alot with the required IT course that we had. Fortunately my final semester I was able to take a class that combined history and IT and had a great professor for that course.

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Varek Raith  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:57:22pm

re: #139 Anymouse ??

LOL.

The other sweater she knitted for me at the beginning of autumn is made out of super-soft yarn and reaches the floor. When I’m wearing it I look like a giant pile of yarn.

*Throws cat at Anymouse*

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:57:26pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

I have the duel curse of being both on the spectrum and being a lefty. However since my niece started writing, I can’t fully blame being a lefty anymore since her handwriting while not great is good. I think it runs in our family though. My other two brothers’ handwriting isn’t the best either.

My daughter is a lefty on the spectrum and her printing has always been surprisingly good. It’s very strange. I see her handwriting now compared to her sister’s and I can’t tell the difference except by the grammar. LOL.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:58:58pm

re: #199 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

And having a degree myself in elementary education, it’s frankly a cakewalk degree. Or at least I thought so until I saw people who was completely struggling, couldn’t pass the PRAXIS test, never could understand any of the concepts of how to teach, classroom management, etc. It’s basically a degree in common sense, if you ask me. Oh, and you SHOULD be able to pass the PRAXIS test. It’s not difficult and if you can’t pass it, you don’t have the content knowledge to teach. Geez Louise.

I had to go look up what the PRAXIS test entails. That’s quite a slug of knowledge there. I’m pleased to see my state requires it (but Nebraska has always been big on public education).

en.wikipedia.org (content of the test and states which require it)

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Chrysicat  Jan 15, 2019 • 7:59:46pm
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Interesting Times  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:00:06pm

Some good news for a change:

(but yes…as you might expect, the replies are a firehose of but muh freeze peach derp, with the official Gab account appearing multiple times. What more evidence do you need that Roku did the right thing?)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:00:08pm

re: #206 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

My daughter is a lefty on the spectrum and her printing has always been surprisingly good. It’s very strange. I see her handwriting now compared to her sister’s and I can’t tell the difference except by the grammar. LOL.

There’s always exception just like I’m one of the few spectrum people you’ll meet who isn’t a Sci-Fi buff. It’s funny. I have a couple of buddies who aren’t on the spectrum whose jobs are more stereotypical ASD than my previous work as a paralegal. But then again I’ve often described myself as a shy extrovert. I like being around people.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:01:08pm

re: #139 Anymouse ??

LOL.

The other sweater she knitted for me at the beginning of autumn is made out of super-soft yarn and reaches the floor. When I’m wearing it I look like a giant pile of yarn.

LOL! Now, you really need to show a photograph of both sweaters!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:01:40pm

re: #209 Interesting Times

Some good news for a change:

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(but yes…as you might expect, the replies are a firehose of but muh freeze peach derp, with the official Gab account appearing multiple times. What more evidence do you need that Roku did the right thing?)

Read something interesting in the court case about Jones and the Sandy Hook families. Apparently his attorneys asked for dismissal because nothing will bring back the loved ones. Very well except your client has insisted that their deaths didn’t really happen. I hate Alex Jones. I probably hate him more than Limbaugh and Coulter due to what that motherfucker does following tragedies though Limbaugh and Coulter are just as vile in their own way.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:03:47pm

I had to Google.

Chris Pratt - “Only white people are concerned with being considered racist”

This isn’t the original article I read but I’m on my phone so fuck it, this’ll do.

I just read he’s quite religious (the preachy kind), and doesn’t think there’s enough blue collar movies (which Twitter tore him up over).

Reading all the articles makes me think he’s not a very bright guy overall.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:04:47pm

re: #149 Jay C

Modern methods of communication make such things increasingly irrelevant. I recall visiting with some friends about a decade ago, and talking with their son (then aged about 14). He literally couldn’t (or, to be precise, never bothered to) write longhand. Anything. His logic? Anything important to communicate could be typed. Except for his signature, which was basically a stylized glyph, so why bother “writing”?

Hey, I get where he’s coming from. I could write perfectly in cursive until way too many “I will not do…” sentences that screwed up my handwriting, but I always figured that it was difficult to read anyway. If I write something, I want people to read it easily and that’s why I print.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:05:22pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Tell us more. I hadn’t heard about this and yeah while I don’t consider myself a fan of his, it’s disappointing because he seems like a decent enough guy but I’ve been disappointed by people before. I remember when a baseball player I liked for the Orioles started saying birther shit about Obama and I never could look at him the same way again. Also not shockingly a huge gun nut too. If Kid A’s here, Luke Scott is whom I’m talking about. KA may rememer him too since he’s a big Astros fan and Scott was with Houston for awhile.

I did above. It wasn’t a Steve King kinda racism but racism none the less.

I found it disappointing.

Who can’t these people just shit the fuck up?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:05:32pm

re: #213 MsJ

I had to Google.

Chris Pratt - “Only white people are concerned with being considered racist”

This isn’t the original article I read but I’m on my phone so fuck it, this’ll do.

I just read he’s quite religious (the preachy kind), and doesn’t think there’s enough blue collar movies (which Twitter tore him up over).

Reading all the articles makes me think he’s not a very bright guy overall.

Thanks for sharing. Yeah I definitely see what you mean.

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Chrysicat  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:05:54pm

re: #213 MsJ

I had to Google.

Chris Pratt - “Only white people are concerned with being considered racist”

This isn’t the original article I read but I’m on my phone so fuck it, this’ll do.

I just read he’s quite religious (the preachy kind), and doesn’t think there’s enough blue collar movies (which Twitter tore him up over).

Reading all the articles makes me think he’s not a very bright guy overall.

So then, basically, his last name was his destiny?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:06:53pm

re: #215 MsJ

I did above. It wasn’t a Steve King kinda racism but racism none the less.

I found it disappointing.

Who can’t these people just shit the fuck up?

Yeah I see it now. As I told Wendell earlier, a lot of white people seem to think that racism has to be with a Klan hood or Swastika for it be racist but there are degrees. And to be honest those less extreme examples are just as bad if not worse than the extremities because they’re more common.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:09:00pm

What does he mean by more “blue collar movies” anyhow. Modern populism is so weird. When I was younger, the populism my grandfather tried to instill me with was a concern that the little guy wasn’t being taken advantage of by a powerful entity. Didn’t matter whether it was the government, coal mining company, or whatever. Grandpa was far from perfect and definitely not the most enlightened person I met on race and immigrants but he did see that populism wasn’t about artificial or trivial grievances.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:09:41pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Yeah I see it now. As I told Wendell earlier, a lot of white people seem to think that racism has to be with a Klan hood or Swastika for it be racist but there are degrees. And to be honest those less extreme examples are just as bad if not worse than the extremities because they’re more common.

All it takes is an attitude when you’re raising kids. Which he is.

People aren’t born racist. They acquire it.

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VegasGolfer  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:12:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:13:12pm

re: #220 MsJ

All it takes is an attitude when you’re raising kids. Which he is.

People aren’t born racist. They acquire it.

Exactly.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:13:44pm

Thread, four tweets.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:13:59pm

re: #221 VegasGolfer

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Raising money for the hurricane victims your ex boss left to drown. And you don’t seem to care that McConnell was hiding out in Kentucky but go ahead Katrina, it’s all the Dems fault. Keep on acting like that, yo ustupid witch.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:16:00pm

re: #221 VegasGolfer

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:16:18pm

re: #221 VegasGolfer

Sure, Jan.

Did they confiscate your bullet necklace?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:17:04pm

re: #225 Myron Falwell

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I hate that sometimes these Never Trumpers though douches can be pretty damn funny loil.

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ObserverArt  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:17:34pm

re: #221 VegasGolfer

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Summation.

TSA Agents are Hipsters and can often be found in coffee shops putting down Democrats.

I think, or something.

Nice to know Katrina of The Bullet Necklace Pierson is still employed.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:18:16pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

For your kids generation and also that of my youngest brother who funnily enough was born when I was in 8th grade keyboarding, typing is so much more important. Keyboarding wasn’t the most exciting elective that I ever took but it by far was the most important. I’m glad to see that it’s required now the way shop used to be. Shop was fun but not really practical as keyboarding turned out to be.

I wish I had taken shop in high school. My dad insisted that I take typing, however, way back in 1982-1983 and I ended up learning how, in my second year of it, doing word processing on an Apple IIe computer. That has been incredibly helpful in my current occupation as a medical transcriptionist.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:18:59pm

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:19:10pm

re: #229 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

I wish I had taken shop in high school. My dad insisted that I take typing, however, way back in 1982-1983 and I ended up learning how, in my second year of it, doing word processing on an Apple IIe computer. That has been incredibly helpful in my current occupation as a medical transcriptionist.

Shop was a lot of fun but I can’t honestly tell you that the skills I learned are ones I retained. It was a lot of fun though. Don’t get me wrong.

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VegasGolfer  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:20:01pm

The pee tape is real!

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:20:45pm

re: #225 Myron Falwell

[I was in a coffee shop and I heard some hipsters saying “I totally agree with a continuing resolution that would partially fund essential services that I’m sure would survive cloture if it included reauthorization of supplemental requirements for certain milcon projects.”]

That was some A+ sarcasm.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:21:54pm

re: #163 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

OT behind the private tag:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:22:07pm

re: #232 VegasGolfer

The pee tape is real!

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Ah a blackmail jerk. Putin blackmails Trump. Trump blackmalis Graham. Maybe we should blackmail Putin with footage of him wearing an I love NATO shirt.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:23:01pm

re: #232 VegasGolfer

The pee tape is real!

As long as Lindsay’s a top the GOP will roll with it.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:24:04pm

re: #103 ObserverArt

I had an instructor at my art college who one day had a student in our advanced typography class that was just lazy and couldn’t comprehend concepts. He was always being a pain in the ass.

One class the student said something like “I don’t get this, and I think you are teaching too fast.”

The teacher dryly said: “If I teach down to your level and slow everything down I will bore and be a disservice to all the other students in this class. I hope you understand that at least.”

And he went on. That student didn’t make it. He was gone after the second year.

I still use that as an example of how you have to keep the smart ones smart and hope others will learn something and maybe learn to learn. Come along or be left behind.

This is one of the great challenges as a teacher. At what point do you make clear to your students, “Look, I’m making this subject as easy and clear as I can. Now, it’s up to you to meet me halfway.” At the high school level, that can be a problem, because students are often not mature or committed enough to up their game. It’s easier for college instructors and professors, because we can assume a student has taken a class because it’s either something he or she likes or because they have to take it for their major. Either way, college students are supposed to be more responsible for their learning, and they shouldn’t be expecting the prof to spoon feed the course to them.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:24:26pm

re: #232 VegasGolfer

But this is on Lindsay not trump. They’re saying trump (or his Russian associates) have something big (live boy, dead girl) on Lindsay.

Which makes sense of you look at Graham’s whiplash 180 degree turnaround on his support of trump.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:24:29pm

re: #225 Myron Falwell

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I had to like Nichol’s tweet in the hopes that it will get more likes than Pierson’s.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:24:46pm

But of course….
SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS BLAMES DEMOCRATS FOR DONALD TRUMP SERVING MCDONALD’S, FAST FOOD TO CLEMSON TIGERS

As President Donald Trump continues to slam Democrats for the longest ever government shutdown now in its 25th day, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders blamed the Democrats for Trump’s serving fast food to the Clemson Tigers football team.

Trump proudly served stacks of burgers from McDonald’s, Wendy’s and Burger King, fries, Domino’s pizza, and some salads to the national champions and their coach on Monday when they visited the White House. (The Clemson Tigers beat the Alabama Crimson Tide 44-16 last week to capture the 2019 College Football Playoff National Championship.)

His menu drew some criticism, given it was not exactly healthy, and relatively cheap. Sanders offered a defense.

“Because the Democrats refuse to negotiate on border security, much of the residence staff at the White House is furloughed—so the president is personally paying for the event to be catered with some of everyone’s favorite fast foods,” Sanders said in a statement, reported The New York Times. The shutdown hinges on Trump’s demand for $5.8 billion in funding for his long-pledged U.S. Mexico border wall.

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VegasGolfer  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:25:02pm

re: #236 The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery

I highly doubt it, she’s definitely a bottom.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:25:09pm

re: #232 VegasGolfer

Gut feeling:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:25:11pm

I have to ask. Is this what an evolving dictatorship feels like. Certainly, we’re not at the Third Reich was in 1935, thank goodness but it feels we’er growing more authoritarian with talks of the President blackmailing a Senator, Barr saying he thinks reporters could be jailed, etc. I’m not worried about our countrymen and women rejecting Trump in 2020. I’m worried about how Trump would handle a rejection and I know the GOP cowards they are would go along with whatever he did.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:26:03pm

re: #240 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

But of course….
SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS BLAMES DEMOCRATS FOR DONALD TRUMP SERVING MCDONALD’S, FAST FOOD TO CLEMSON TIGERS

Oh Sarah but I thought they liked the food that your cheap ass boss served you. Try something original lady for once, Kentucky Fried Goebells.

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:26:53pm

re: #242 GlutenFreeJesus

Gut feeling:

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Probably not even live boys, just live men, something most of the country would go “aaaaaannd?”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:27:39pm

re: #245 Belafon

Probably not even live boys, just live men, something most of the country would go “aaaaaannd?”

Yeah could be something as innocent as that given how homophobic the GOP is.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:28:04pm
Probably not even live boys, just live men, something most of the country would go “aaaaaannd?”

Not South By Gosh Carolina!

**Fixed quote

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:28:29pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

I have to ask. Is this what an evolving dictatorship feels like. Certainly, we’re not at the Third Reich was in 1935, thank goodness but it feels we’er growing more authoritarian with talks of the President blackmailing a Senator, Barr saying he thinks reporters could be jailed, etc. I’m not worried about our countrymen and women rejecting Trump in 2020. I’m worried about how Trump would handle a rejection and I know the GOP cowards they are would go along with whatever he did.

Never lived through one, but Republicans have talked about jailing reporters for a while. There’s a lot of things we have to deal with and fix, but one thing you need to really go dictator is a willing populace. 2018 kind of showed that’s not going to happen.

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:28:49pm

re: #245 Belafon

Probably not even live boys, just live men, something most of the country would go “aaaaaannd?”

My response above was for this. Mistouched. Sorry.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:30:47pm

re: #248 Belafon

Never lived through one, but Republicans have talked about jailing reporters for a while. There’s a lot of things we have to deal with and fix, but one thing you need to really go dictator is a willing populace. 2018 kind of showed that’s not going to happen.

That’s true. I guess maybe I don’t fear dictatorship so much as instability.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:34:44pm

I stand by my assertion that the GOP can ultimately excuse anything, as long as they’re the fucker, not the fuckee.

All their hangups come down to degrading and dominating others, the only taboo is ceding power to lessers.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:34:45pm

All this said, the results of 2018 do make me more confident than i was that we’ll get rid of the sobs.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:35:39pm

re: #225 Myron Falwell

Another one of those sorts who has to embellish a lie to make it appear believable.

Five TSA agents (apparently all standing around Katrina Pierson) all saying “in unison” it’s the Democrats’ fault.

Then the people who insist they are independent thinkers (conservative commentators) are all chiming in one after another with variants on the same story of “Democrats in Puerto Rico” and a photograph of the back of a woman as proof that somehow Democrats are shirking their duties.

Then when noted that the handful of Democrats were there to listen to island leaders and raise funds for relief, it goes to denial: Of course they would say that.

It is so tedious reading conservative excuse-making and motorised goalpost moving.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:38:46pm

re: #248 Belafon

Never lived through one, but Republicans have talked about jailing reporters for a while. There’s a lot of things we have to deal with and fix, but one thing you need to really go dictator is a willing populace. 2018 kind of showed that’s not going to happen.

Referencing the Pentagon Papers comments above, Nixon’s DOJ tried to prosecute the reporters under the 1917 Espionage Act, went after the Washington Post and New York Times claiming prior restraint. They also tried to prosecute the senator’s staff who worked to release them into the Congressional Record.

(All going after the newspapers did was cause more newspapers to publish the papers.)

This is nothing new for Republicans.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:38:49pm

re: #232 VegasGolfer

The pee tape is real!

It’s something, all right. The more people speak up about it, the better.

I just wonder what in the hell the bribe is about. For all we know, it may not even be Lindsey being tied to Russia, but deeply personal shit about Lindsey, stuff that may get him in real trouble.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:39:56pm

re: #255 Myron Falwell

It’s something, all right. The more people speak up about it, the better.

I just wonder what in the hell the bribe is about. For all we know, it may not even be Lindsey being tied to Russia, but deeply personal shit about Lindsey, stuff that may get him in real trouble.

I think it’s something personal. Hell maybe there’s tape of Graham making fun of McCain.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:41:14pm

re: #253 Anymouse ??

Another one of those sorts who has to embellish a lie to make it appear believable.

Five TSA agents (apparently all standing around Katrina Pierson) all saying “in unison” it’s the Democrats’ fault.

Then the people who insist they are independent thinkers (conservative commentators) are all chiming in one after another with variants on the same story of “Democrats in Puerto Rico” and a photograph of the back of a woman as proof that somehow Democrats are shirking their duties.

Then when noted that the handful of Democrats were there to listen to island leaders and raise funds for relief, it goes to denial: Of course they would say that.

It is so tedious reading conservative excuse-making and motorised goalpost moving.

Katrina is just making this shit up and it comes off as a Jacob Wohl “hipster coffee shop” tweet (see Tom Nichols’ put-down below, it’s funny because it’s too damn easy to mock them).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:42:49pm

re: #257 Myron Falwell

Katrina is just making this shit up and it comes off as a Jacob Wohl “hipster coffee shop” tweet (see Tom Nichols’ put-down below, it’s funny because it’s too damn easy to mock them).

My hipster barista told me that they actually voted for David French. //

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MsJ  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:43:52pm

re: #256 HappyWarrior

I think it’s something personal. Hell maybe there’s tape of Graham making fun of McCain.

That wouldn’t do it. The see that as a badge of honor.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:44:57pm

re: #259 MsJ

That wouldn’t do it. The see that as a badge of honor.

I was being silly.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:45:17pm

It’s something involving money and or sex.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:46:26pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

It’s something involving money and or sex.

Or espionage.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:47:38pm

re: #262 Anymouse ??

Or espionage.

That usually involves one or the other or both.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:47:49pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:48:15pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

My hipster barista told me that they actually voted for David French. //

For dog catcher? //

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:49:29pm

re: #265 Myron Falwell

For dog catcher? //

Hahaha, no remember his lame “Never Trump” campaign that was a whole lot of nothing. At least Evan McMullin was legit and not just NRO’s vain attempt to at feeling self important.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:52:17pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

That usually involves one or the other or both.

Easily acquired by the Russians hacking into the RNC emails at the same time as the DNC emails.

Part of me doesn’t want to have McCain’s name involved in any such bribe with Lindsey, but it’s telling as fuck something of this nature happened after he died, and especially when McCain never liked Trump and slighted him at his funeral.

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NoSoapForYou  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:52:38pm

Sorry again. Bit of a mind blizzard happening. This Steve King saga. Thinking about this from a local politics level, I’m wondering if it’s just a small group of jackasses/contributors that control the Republican Party nomination in Steve King’s district. Yes, the many redundancies. Anyone here in Iowa politics?

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:53:12pm

re: #178 Belafon

When I took the GRE, they made me copy the paragraph stating the rules in cursive before I could take the test. I was 35, and hadn’t written cursive in 16 years. It took me about 15 minutes to copy a ten line set of instructions.

OMG! I had to do that for the PRAXIS exams. I hadn’t written in cursive in about 20 years. I was more worried about that part of the test than the rest of it!

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:55:14pm

re: #181 Mattand

Basically the same. I’ve been using keyboards since I learned to type in 1980. I’ve utterly forgotten how to write cursive, outside of my signature. If I have to write by hand, it’s block lettering, and even that’s falling apart now.

If I could get out of writing checks completely, I’d never hand write anything again.

The only time I could actually write cursive as an adult was on the whiteboard in my classroom. Weird.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:06:06pm

re: #207 Anymouse ??

I had to go look up what the PRAXIS test entails. That’s quite a slug of knowledge there. I’m pleased to see my state requires it (but Nebraska has always been big on public education).

en.wikipedia.org (content of the test and states which require it)

One definitely needs to know the content of the various subjects, but it really wasn’t that hard. But then again, I’ve always scored high on tests. I guess I expect other people to know as much as I do.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:10:11pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

Shop was a lot of fun but I can’t honestly tell you that the skills I learned are ones I retained. It was a lot of fun though. Don’t get me wrong.

My high school sweetheart and brother both took shop. They are masters at woodworking.

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William Lewis  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:34:13am

re: #242 GlutenFreeJesus

Gut feeling:

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Actually, given how they’re reacting, I’m guessing more like Hastert or even younger.


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