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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:52:27pm

Technically he’s working only for the very rich people in Russia.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:54:54pm

And Kansas leaps ahead of us in civil rights:

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NoSoapForYou  Jan 15, 2019 • 8:55:13pm

Three years here, close to a decade lurking, CL’d for the first time.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:02:49pm

re: #2 Anymouse ??

And Kansas leaps ahead of us in civil rights:

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A good start.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:05:39pm

Trump Movement Officially Names Itself ‘National Sociopathic Party’

declares “anybody who compares us natsos to nazis is a member of an inferior group of people who don’t deserve to live although hitler had some great ideas it was just that he wasn’t a great negotiator and builder like me, um, i mean our super fantastic president trump he’s the greatest he could cure cancer and the soroses in the media you know what i mean would complain i was unfair to cancer…”

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:05:45pm

re: #270 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

The only time I could actually write cursive as an adult was on the whiteboard in my classroom. Weird.

Y’all are making me feel ancient. (The only place I can’t write neatly is on chalkboards.)

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:11:31pm

Thread, five tweets.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:12:04pm

I can’t fucking spot satire anymore. I just don’t know.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:14:08pm

re: #8 Single-handed sailor

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I can’t fucking spot satire anymore. I just don’t know.

Really?

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:16:24pm

Geez, got CL’d on the last thread with a bunch of responses to people’s comments…just sitting there all lonely.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:17:43pm

As some people in that thread pointed out, a couple of Senator Sanders’ colleagues who are likely running for POTUS had been busy doing their jobs today. Both Harris and Booker are on the Judiciary Committee asking good questions of Barr but yeah Bernie jogging is so much newsworthy.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:19:39pm

re: #8 Single-handed sailor

I can’t fucking spot satire anymore. I just don’t know.

At least he and Tulsi can fight it out in the “Go the F Away” 25th-tier of 2020 candidates.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:19:43pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

As some people in that thread pointed out, a couple of Senator Sanders’ colleagues who are likely running for POTUS had been busy doing their jobs today. Both Harris and Booker are on the Judiciary Committee asking good questions of Barr but yeah Bernie jogging is so much newsworthy.

It’s their version of Chairman Mao swimming across the Yangtze. (?)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:22:07pm

re: #13 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s their version of Chairman Mao swimming across the Yangtze. (?)

What was Bernie and that bird? God that was some weird shit. I mean it was cute but his supporters tried to act like SEE EVEN ANIMALS LOVE BERNIE and it was like uh guys it’s just a bird. Neat photo moment but you’re embarrassing yourselves. And they continue to do so by citing one poll as proof that Bernie the most popular politician in the country.

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NoSoapForYou  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:24:14pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

That bird was constructed by Twitter. Just so we’re clear.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:24:32pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

What was Bernie and that bird? God that was some weird shit. I mean it was cute but his supporters tried to act like SEE EVEN ANIMALS LOVE BERNIE and it was like uh guys it’s just a bird. Neat photo moment but you’re embarrassing yourselves. And they continue to do so by citing one poll as proof that Bernie the most popular politician in the country.

The comparisons to St. Francis were a bit over the top.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:24:40pm

re: #15 NoSoapForYou

That bird was constructed by Twitter. Just so we’re clear.

Oh?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:26:10pm

re: #16 Anymouse ??

The comparisons to St. Francis were a bit over the top.

Just a little bit. Haha, But yeah I mean as I said, neat photo moment but acting like it meant something divine really felt no different than whenever I hear Republican candidates act like they’re God’s agents on Earth. Now to Bernie’s credit, he never said anything like that but just silly stuff.

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NoSoapForYou  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:29:05pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

It’s been a while. I literally forgot the snark tag. Almost got myself booked?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:33:57pm

re: #19 NoSoapForYou

It’s been a while. I literally forgot the snark tag. Almost got myself booked?

All good.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:37:33pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

I am re-reading my maternal grandmother’s family history that she wrote. She was Mormon and had written it back in the 1970s. Interestingly, it appears that she added some things to it for the various children. My mother’s copy went to my historian brother and that was the last I read it. I have the copy from her first daughter, who was my mom’s half-sister. There is actually a history on my great, great, great grandmother and grandfather that she had copies of and were tucked in the manuscript. She had not had that before when she originally wrote her history. Fascinating stuff. My great, great, great grandfather came from Sweden and was a Mormon who emigrated here and the was one of the Mormon’s who used a handcart to travel to Utah! I had never known that.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:37:52pm

re: #232 VegasGolfer

The pee tape is real!

I’m presuming this is what Jon Cooper is alluding to? I’m nowhere near an expert on this stuff but wouldn’t shock me if it’s all out in the open and no one bothered to connect the dots. YMMV.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:49:00pm

re: #21 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

I am re-reading my maternal grandmother’s family history that she wrote. She was Mormon and had written it back in the 1970s. Interestingly, it appears that she added some things to it for the various children. My mother’s copy went to my historian brother and that was the last I read it. I have the copy from her first daughter, who was my mom’s half-sister. There is actually a history on my great, great, great grandmother and grandfather that she had copies of and were tucked in the manuscript. She had not had that before when she originally wrote her history. Fascinating stuff. My great, great, great grandfather came from Sweden and was a Mormon who emigrated here and the was one of the Mormon’s who used a handcart to travel to Utah! I had never known that.

I wish I had something like that. My grandparents didn’t take notes. A lot of the stuff I’m finding I don’t think they knew. In fact a daughter of one of my grandmother’s cousins I’ve met, Grabdma thought it was her uncle’s granddaughter who stayed in Europe but it was actually her aunt. And she had no idea about an aunt staying in Europe. Turns out sadly the aunt died in labor.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:49:59pm

re: #22 Myron Falwell

I’m presuming this is what Jon Cooper is alluding to? I’m nowhere near an expert on this stuff but wouldn’t shock me if it’s all out in the open and no one bothered to connect the dots. YMMV.

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Oooh this would explain a lot.

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Targetpractice  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:51:54pm

Saw the discussion downstairs about canceled TV shows. About the only show I can think of other than Firefly that I can say I’d like to see resurrected would be Jericho. That was a show that desperately needed at least one more season to let things play out, as it was obvious they had more planned but the plug got pulled way too soon.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 9:59:19pm

re: #25 Targetpractice

Saw the discussion downstairs about canceled TV shows. About the only show I can think of other than Firefly that I can say I’d like to see resurrected would be Jericho. That was a show that desperately needed at least one more season to let things play out, as it was obvious they had more planned but the plug got pulled way too soon.

I remember the 1966 Jericho series, it was up against Batman on Thursday nights. Premiered same week as Mission: Impossible and maybe that also drained some of its potential.

imdb.com

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Belafon  Jan 15, 2019 • 10:02:59pm

With the Trump/McConnell shutdown, I eventually expect something to happen that will cause people to really want the government reopened. The more likely yet lower consequence one is an immigrant killing someone. The less likely but more dangerous is something like someone killing or hijacking a plane or a contamination outbreak. When they happen, Democrats need to submit bills funding all existing government and we need to be louder than those clamoring for Trump’s wall.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 10:03:02pm

Well we have more happy news for us and sad sad news for Asshole Alex Jones as Roku deletes his channel!

Following up on our earlier story about Roku re-platforming Alex Jones and Infowars, it looks like Roku got so much criticism from users, they’ve reversed course and will remove the Infowars app.

“A Roku spokesperson tells me that after it heard from ‘concerned parties,’ the company determined it should remove the InfoWars app,” CNN’s Oliver Darcy tweeted this evening.

Props to the Sandy Hook Families who got involved and once again shut off another outlet for Jackass Jones!

boingboing.net

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 10:15:28pm

This almost slipped under the radar. Prior to running for Congress, AOC helped as a Standing Rock protestor, and has attributed it to her want to enter public service.

AOC is growing on me big-time, dagnabbit.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 15, 2019 • 10:19:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 10:22:02pm

re: #29 Myron Falwell

This almost slipped under the radar. Prior to running for Congress, AOC helped as a Standing Rock protestor, and has attributed it to her want to enter public service.

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AOC is growing on me big-time, dagnabbit.

That’s really laudable not just as a public official but as a person. Most people are really defensive when called out like that. Props to her. I really am becoming a big fan of hers. We won’t always agree but AOC is one of the good ones.

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Chrysicat  Jan 15, 2019 • 10:31:24pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 15, 2019 • 10:38:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 15, 2019 • 10:45:53pm

re: #32 Chrysicat

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What a stupid analogy.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 15, 2019 • 10:46:18pm

CL’d
re: #245 Belafon

Probably not even live boys, just live men, something most of the country would go “aaaaaannd?”

Hamsters.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 10:47:04pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

That’s really laudable not just as a public official but as a person. Most people are really defensive when called out like that. Props to her. I really am becoming a big fan of hers. We won’t always agree but AOC is one of the good ones.

It just warms my heart, especially when I saw the OP responding to AOC’s response:

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 10:51:07pm

Did some digging on Wikipedia to see the last time that a British government got slaughtered on a key motion by a large margin and you have to go back to 1924 when Labour under Ramsay Mac Donald lost a no confidence motion by a vote of 198-364

May’s 202-432 eclipses Mac Donald’s margin to become the worst loss by a British government.

I e-mailed friends in the UK asking what they think the outcome of a snap election would be and their consensus is that there would probably be a minority Labour government with Corbin as PM. with Scotch Nationals and Liberal Democrats tacitly holding the whip hand.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 10:53:29pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

That’s really laudable not just as a public official but as a person. Most people are really defensive when called out like that. Props to her. I really am becoming a big fan of hers. We won’t always agree but AOC is one of the good ones.

It is very refreshing to hear a politician admit a mistake and apologise without hedging or deflecting, innit?

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LastYearsMan  Jan 15, 2019 • 10:54:12pm

re: #25 Targetpractice

Saw the discussion downstairs about canceled TV shows. About the only show I can think of other than Firefly that I can say I’d like to see resurrected would be Jericho. That was a show that desperately needed at least one more season to let things play out, as it was obvious they had more planned but the plug got pulled way too soon.

Frank’s Place. That was an awesome show.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 10:56:01pm

Pedant alert: If you count migration over the Bering Land Bridge at the end of the last ice age as “immigration.”

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 10:59:57pm

Thread, nine tweets, on the emotions surrounding our current political reality:

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:00:49pm

re: #40 Anymouse ??

Pedant alert: If you count migration over the Bering Land Bridge at the end of the last ice age as “immigration.”

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Hmmm — Since homo sapiens arose in Africa, isn’t Kevin C. saying that every person in Europe, Asia, and the Americas is descended from immigrants?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:00:54pm

re: #40 Anymouse ??

Pedant alert: If you count migration over the Bering Land Bridge at the end of the last ice age as “immigration.”

Lol the rando Twitter right-wing moron with an eight-digit number at the end of his username that just screams “I’m not a bot!”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:01:34pm

re: #40 Anymouse ??

Pedant alert: If you count migration over the Bering Land Bridge at the end of the last ice age as “immigration.”

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if you take the view from as far back as the period 60k - 45k BC, everybody who lives outside of africa is descended from immigrants

and even well into historical times, europe was a place everybody kept immigrating into from assorted parts of asia and north africa

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sagehen  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:08:37pm

re: #26 Joe Bacon ??

I remember the 1966 Jericho series, it was up against Batman on Thursday nights. Premiered same week as Mission: Impossible and maybe that also drained some of its potential.

imdb.com

He’s talking about the 2006-2008 CBS show Jericho;

a couple of dozen nukes go off in the couple dozen biggest US cities on the same day. Skeet Ulrich, Gerald McRaney, Lennie James and a bunch of other people in a small town in Kansas are the core group trying to
a) organize that their town can live through not being part of a country anymore;
b) investigating how it happened, who did it, etc; and
c) restarting the country

it was

Halliburton, Blackwater, and a right-wing political cabal. Trying to get rid of all the liberals and build “real America” the way they thought it should look.

Season 1 was about uncovering the conspiracy; season 2 was about proving it. In the finale episode, the Texas Air National Guard helped Our Heroes destroy the Cheyenne government, broadcast the proof, and the remnants of “martial law US military” sided with Our Heroes against the Blackwater/Halliburton govt.

If there’d been a season 3, it would have been the 2nd Civil War.

refreshing my recollection to post this set of spoilers, I suddenly realized why Lennie James looked so familiar to me on Walking Dead.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:17:26pm
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DodgerFan1988  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:18:07pm

So it turns out that Tucker Carlson is a Putin apologist. I’m shocked, absolutely shocked!

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Anymouse ??  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:18:30pm

re: #42 Hecuba’s daughter

Hmmm — Since homo sapiens arose in Africa, isn’t Kevin C. saying that every person in Europe, Asia, and the Americas is descended from immigrants?

That seems to be what he’s saying, in order to discount both Native Americans as “not native” and Rep. Ocasio-Cortez for making a distinction between Native Americans and subsequent immigrants.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:24:16pm

re: #47 DodgerFan1988

So it turns out that Tucker Carlson is a Putin apologist. I’m shocked, absolutely not!

He’s both a Putin apologist and continuously constipated.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:32:35pm

re: #47 DodgerFan1988

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So it turns out that Tucker Carlson is a Putin apologist. I’m shocked, absolutely shocked!

i bet he’ll still be a putin apologist after he graduates from prep school

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 15, 2019 • 11:43:31pm

re: #48 Anymouse ??

That seems to be what he’s saying, in order to discount both Native Americans as “not native” and Rep. Ocasio-Cortez for making a distinction between Native Americans and subsequent immigrants.

Shouldn’t that mean that those seeking to immigrate now are just another wave of immigrants and should be accepted like the prior waves?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:02:32am

note to self: check spelling of ‘frankferbers’ before tweeting from the white house again

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:03:01am

re: #45 sagehen

He’s talking about the 2006-2008 CBS show Jericho;

a couple of dozen nukes go off in the couple dozen biggest US cities on the same day. Skeet Ulrich, Gerald McRaney, Lennie James and a bunch of other people in a small town in Kansas are the core group trying to
a) organize that their town can live through not being part of a country anymore;
b) investigating how it happened, who did it, etc; and
c) restarting the country

it was

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refreshing my recollection to post this set of spoilers, I suddenly realized why Lennie James looked so familiar to me on Walking Dead.

Ayep, that would be the one. It’s a series that seemed almost prophetic, excepting the initial premise of nuclear terrorism.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:19:43am

re: #46 Myron Falwell

I’m pretty sure the orb got cursed, not vice versa.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:21:39am

re: #26 Joe Bacon ??

I remember the 1966 Jericho series, it was up against Batman on Thursday nights. Premiered same week as Mission: Impossible and maybe that also drained some of its potential.

imdb.com

No wonder I ever heard of it, my life centered around Batman on Wed/Thurs and The Man from U.N.C.L.E. on Fridays

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:23:14am

re: #29 Myron Falwell

Thank you for pointing this out. I often in public remarks preceded this by saying “with the exception of Native peoples and African Americans,” but apologize for leaving it out of this tweet. I’ll be more careful moving forward!

You cannot diss this lady without getting a stone-cold smackdown!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:24:27am

re: #40 Anymouse ??

Pedant alert: If you count migration over the Bering Land Bridge at the end of the last ice age as “immigration.”

This land is their land

I am not sure, but I think that “Immigration” in the modern sense implies coming to another place that is already inhabited, populating empty territory.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:26:10am

Now it makes sense why Aquaman was such a hit in China, where other DCU films have only gotten lukewarm attention.

It’s all true. Aquaman is a DCU version of a Hong Kong/mainland wuxia movie. Now I suspect other studios will specifically target films to the massive Chinese audience, and try to appeal to both Asian and Western viewers.

As Naomi says, casting Asian actors in a lame-ass movie will not automatically draw Asian audiences. Oddly, they want want decent plots, too. Imagine.

The above also explains why Kung Fu Panda played so well in China. It honors traditional Chinese virtues and culture.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:33:53am

Self-awareness among the RW is non-existent. Jim Hoft retweeted this.

We need to save remarks like this the next time the RWNJs get their panties in a knot about some TV show/podcast/movie/song they object to and demand it be removed from circulation.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:36:01am

In other RW news, Jordan Peterson deleted his Patreon account, which had $33K in it.

{{{snore}}}

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:37:13am

re: #59 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

When did not liking someone go from meaning YOU don’t watch them, to trying to make sure NOBODY can watch them?

Not ensuring that NOBODY can watch them, just not on this particular platform.

Go back and check that 1st A, will you “Government shall make no law….”

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:40:25am

re: #51 Hecuba’s daughter

Shouldn’t that mean that those seeking to immigrate now are just another wave of immigrants and should be accepted like the prior waves?

No, because “we got here first and we want to pull the ladder up after us.”

Every wave of immigration was opposed by the conservatives in this country, from No-Nothings opposing “swarthy Catholics” to the Chinese Exclusion Act to the 1924 Immigration Act restricting Slavic immigration to the crackdown on Mexican immigration under Eisenhower to the current Dumpster fire.

Conservatives in this country have always opposed the idea of immigrants, and they’ve always thought immigrants “would replace us.”

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:41:31am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not ensuring that NOBODY can watch them, just not on this particular platform.

Go back and check that 1st A, will you “Government shall make no law….”

Yeah, funny how so many can’t understand that part, or that free speech does not require everyone to agree with you, or even listen to you.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:42:21am
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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:44:11am

re: #63 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Yeah, funny how so many can’t understand that part, or that free speech does not require everyone to agree with you, or even listen to you.

Yup. And I’m pretty sure Gab (dot) AI will kick anyone off their service that violates their terms of service (or challenges the ideas of their regular users).

Gab though is not satisfying. They don’t get to harass the people they don’t like there.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 16, 2019 • 12:51:11am

re: #65 Anymouse ??

Yup. And I’m pretty sure Gab (dot) AI will kick anyone off their service that violates their terms of service (or challenges the ideas of their regular users).

Gab though is not satisfying. They don’t get to harass the people they don’t like there.

It’s just an online support group for racists and Nazis. Gab has also lost access to its payment processors, like PayPal and Circle, because its content violates those services’ TOS. So the only way users can send money to Gab now is cash, check or bitcoin.

I laughed. Of course, they complain it’s another example of the SWJ/globalist conspiracy against freeze peach = oppression!! On Twitter a while back I tried to get one of these idiots to understand that attacking an entire group of people solely because of their religion, appearance or skin color was hate speech, and to understand what I meant, he could imagine how he would feel if I started making hateful remarks about rednecks from Alabama or lovers of the Confederacy. He just called me a crybaby and blew me off.

They’re hopeless.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 16, 2019 • 1:15:23am
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freetoken  Jan 16, 2019 • 1:17:31am
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Alephnaught  Jan 16, 2019 • 1:38:23am

re: #37 Joe Bacon ??

Did some digging on Wikipedia to see the last time that a British government got slaughtered on a key motion by a large margin and you have to go back to 1924 when Labour under Ramsay Mac Donald lost a no confidence motion by a vote of 198-364

May’s 202-432 eclipses Mac Donald’s margin to become the worst loss by a British government.

I e-mailed friends in the UK asking what they think the outcome of a snap election would be and their consensus is that there would probably be a minority Labour government with Corbin as PM. with Scotch Nationals and Liberal Democrats tacitly holding the whip hand.

To be honest, I expect the government will survive the no confidence vote today, as the DUP have said recently that they would support the government in such an event, and I can’t imagine even the hard-line Brexiter Tories voting against their government and triggering an election in which they might lose their seats.

So, if there’s going to be a snap election, it’s more likely it will be triggered by Theresa May than Jeremy Corbyn, and I don’t expect May wants to do that, given that she’s already tried it before, and ended up with a minority government. But who knows in this climate?

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Alephnaught  Jan 16, 2019 • 1:38:57am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 16, 2019 • 1:39:15am

re: #67 Single-handed sailor

I’ll bet he didn’t flush it, fished it out, washed it real good, and then used it anyway. Flushing would just lodge the thing in the S-bend, meaning his next shit would end up going nowhere.

OTOH if he’s that dumb to boycott Gillette over an ad, he probably would flush it.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 1:45:00am

re: #69 Alephnaught

I expect PM May’s government to survive as well. Corbyn is out of his depth here, and let’s not forget, he’s a hardcore Brexiteer as well.

Ideally, the Labour Party would realize this and ditch him pronto and get a leader in there ASAP who’ll support a second Brexit referendum (which Corbyn probably won’t support as he senses that this time around, Remain would likely win).

It’s an absolute omnishambles - as the Brits like to say - and they’re sleepwalking right off the cliff edge. March 29th is the day they’re out of the EU and, from what I’ve read, there’s currently only 40 business days when Parliament will be in session between today and then.

The general view of many here in Europe is that the UK is fucked six ways from Sunday and that at this point, a no-deal crashout is basically inevitable.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 1:45:38am

re: #71 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’ll bet he didn’t flush it, fished it out, washed it real good, and then used it anyway. Flushing would just lodge the thing in the S-bend, meaning his next shit would end up going nowhere.

OTOH if he’s that dumb to boycott Gillette over an ad, he probably would flush it.

Clogging your toilet to own the libs. LOL.

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Alephnaught  Jan 16, 2019 • 1:51:40am

re: #72 Dr Lizardo

I expect PM May’s government to survive as well. Corbyn is out of his depth here, and let’s not forget, he’s a hardcore Brexiteer as well.

Ideally, the Labour Party would realize this and ditch him pronto and get a leader in there ASAP who’ll support a second Brexit referendum (which Corbyn probably won’t support as he senses that this time around, Remain would likely win).

It’s an absolute omnishambles - as the Brits like to say - and they’re sleepwalking right off the cliff edge. March 29th is the day they’re out of the EU and, from what I’ve read, there’s currently only 40 business days when Parliament will be in session between today and then.

The general view of many here in Europe is that the UK is fucked six ways from Sunday and that at this point, a no-deal crashout is basically inevitable.

Unless, of course, Article 50 is extended beyond March 29th. It looks likely this is going to happen even if it ends up no-deal, as there just isn’t time to pass the necessary basic legislation for Brexit. I notice Nigel Farage was on TV this morning, and even he was expecting Article 50 to be extended.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 1:57:37am

re: #74 Alephnaught

Yes, but don’t forget that for an Article 50 extension, the 27 EU member states would have to agree on that unanimously.

There’s a growing sentiment of “fuck ‘em” when it comes to the Brits. They shit the bed, and it’s not up to us in the rest of the EU to have to clean it up.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 2:13:02am

Off-topic …

I was having trouble with my version of Audacity for Windows.

It turns out the version I have I ported over from my old Windows XP computer. That in itself wasn’t a problem, but apparently the newest update to Windows 10 won’t play nice with it.

So I went spelunking around on the Audacity Website and I find my version of the program is only about seven years out of date or so.

I got the new version and set it up, and now have to relearn everything.

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freetoken  Jan 16, 2019 • 2:14:05am

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

There’s a growing sentiment of “fuck ‘em” when it comes to the Brits. They shit the bed, and it’s not up to us in the rest of the EU to have to clean it up.

Certainly this Irishman thinks so:

De Gaulle was right: kick England out!

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Alephnaught  Jan 16, 2019 • 2:16:06am

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

Yes, but don’t forget that for an Article 50 extension, the 27 EU member states would have to agree on that unanimously.

There’s a growing sentiment of “fuck ‘em” when it comes to the Brits. They shit the bed, and it’s not up to us in the rest of the EU to have to clean it up.

Well, I don’t know if the EU27 would refuse an extension of Article 50 (I do remember the EU offering an extension up to July last week.), but I’m noticing a lot of “the ball is in the UK’s court” type statements from politicians in EU member states this morning.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 2:40:17am

re: #67 Single-handed sailor

My roommate once dropped his toothbrush in the toilet and just flushed it. It jammed in edgewise in the pipe and wound up blocking the toilet entirely…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 2:42:19am

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

Yes, but don’t forget that for an Article 50 extension, the 27 EU member states would have to agree on that unanimously.

There’s a growing sentiment of “fuck ‘em” when it comes to the Brits. They shit the bed, and it’s not up to us in the rest of the EU to have to clean it up.

I think they would all be happy to keep UK in as a full member, that is in their mutual interest, but they are not going to give up any major concessions in a trade deal with a non-EU UK.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 2:58:04am

Test copy from YouTube with the new version of Audacity shows a) it works and b) I can figure out how to use it.

Song tested is a timeless classic psychedelic rock piece, and my wife’s favourite song. Had we had something like a wedding reception, this probably would have been first up on her playlist. I’ll give her it beats Carpenters: Because We Are in Love [There Is Love].

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 2:58:13am

And here we go:

Note the “…..it is unthinkable that article 50 is prolonged beyond the European Elections” bit.

The European elections are scheduled for May 23rd through May 26th. So any extension would be 30 to 45 days or so, maximum. I don’t know if that’s enough time for the Brits to get their shit together.

Logically, yes, revoking Article 50 is the right thing to do. But……it’s political suicide and the UK will likely be dealing with the repercussions of this debacle for the better part of the next decade.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 2:58:16am
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freetoken  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:07:09am

‘Three Billboards’ campaign targets gay conversion therapy in China

A Chinese artist and a gay policeman have launched an unusually bold public protest campaign in which bright-red trucks bearing slogans denouncing homosexual “conversion therapy” are being paraded through several major cities.

Artist Wu Qiong said the rolling protest was inspired by the 2017 film “Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri”, in which Frances McDormand gave an Oscar-winning performance as a woman who uses billboards to call attention to her daughter’s unsolved rape and murder.

[…]

China removed homosexuality and bisexuality from an official list of “mental illnesses” in 2001, but official terminology still includes vague references to “sexual orientation disorders”.

Some parents are known to pressure gay children to “correct” their orientation, including through conversion therapy

[…]

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:07:45am

re: #82 Dr Lizardo

Logically, yes, revoking Article 50 is the right thing to do. But……it’s political suicide and the UK will likely be dealing with the repercussions of this debacle for the better part of the next decade.

Revoking Article 50 is the UK equivalent of backing down on The Wall and ending the shutdown

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:13:53am

re: #84 freetoken

Interesting. First I’ve heard of it.

I have had several of my students come out to me here. All of them say they cannot come out to their parents. Getting married and having children is a BIG thing here, for many reasons, both practical and traditional. So telling your parents you are LGBTQ is almost like telling them “You will never have grandkids, and everyone in town will talk about you behind your backs as failed parents.” That attitude is changing, but very slowly. Relative to American acceptance, China is still in the mid-1960s.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:14:52am

re: #85 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Revoking Article 50 is the UK equivalent of backing down on The Wall and ending the shutdown

Backing down on the wall BS and ending the shutdown would actually be easier because while the GOP base would certainly be furious and deeply embittered, there was no referendum on the matter that they could point to and say, “But we voted on this!”.

Revoking Article 50 (which I think should be done) would basically mean telling 17 million odd Brits to go fuck themselves. With the wall/shutdown, it’s more a matter of telling one man - Trump - to go fuck himself.

Revoking Article 50, while I think it’s for the best in the long run, really will open up a can of worms; PM May isn’t entirely wrong when she states that doing so would cause a good many people to question if their voices really matter at all, or if they’re just a bunch of plebs who should just shut up and do what they’re told.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:15:33am

re: #85 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Revoking Article 50 is the UK equivalent of backing down on The Wall and ending the shutdown

Those are the reasons why neither Trump nor McConnell have already given up on the wall. To admit defeat means the loss of their rabidly xenophobic base, and probably their chances of re-election.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:16:24am
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freetoken  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:18:09am

Meanwhile:

2018 was the hottest year ever recorded for the planet’s oceans

Last year was the hottest for the planet’s oceans since global records began in 1958, according to an international team of scientists who track the data. Their findings were published Wednesday in the scientific journal Advances in Atmospheric Sciences.

The year 2018 passed the previous record set just the year before, in 2017; the top five years of ocean heat have come in the last five years. Last year continues a startling trend of global ocean warming that is a direct result of humans’ warming of the planet, the authors say.

[…]

The paper:

2018 Continues Record Global Ocean Warming

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:21:05am

I like going to warmer climes during my winter holiday, but not this warm.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:22:54am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:24:22am

This sums up the current state of Brexit play quite nicely:

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:28:15am

Let’s have a positive image to start the day.

Cat or bun?
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:32:13am

re: #87 Dr Lizardo

Revoking Article 50 (which I think should be done) would basically mean telling 17 million odd Brits to go fuck themselves.

The referendum itself was non-binding, it was a request for Parliament to enact Article 50. It was also implied that it was a request for them to work out an acceptable Brexit deal. Having failed in that task, they might want to reconsider Article 50 after all.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:36:09am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The referendum itself was non-binding, it was a request for Parliament to enact Article 50. It was also implied that it was a request for them to work out an acceptable Brexit deal. Having failed in that task, they might want to reconsider Article 50 after all.

I don’t disagree - the problem is going to be what to tell those 17 million Brits who did in fact request Parliament to enact Article 50. They are simply not going to accept, “Well, it was non-binding, after all”.

I don’t envy whomever would be chosen for that unpleasant task. Ideally, it should be Theresa May - or better yet, David Cameron can make the address, as it’s his fault entirely the UK is in the mess it’s in.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:42:40am

re: #96 Dr Lizardo

I don’t disagree - the problem is going to be what to tell those 17 million Brits who did in fact request Parliament to enact Article 50. They are simply not going to accept, “Well, it was non-binding, after all”.

I don’t envy whomever would be chosen for that unpleasant task. Ideally, it should be Theresa May - or better yet, David Cameron can make the address, as it’s his fault entirely the UK is in the mess it’s in.

Yup. A whole bunch of people in the UK (and a fair number of conservatives in the USA) argue that revoking the Article 50 implementation is tantamount to overthrowing democracy.

I am unsurprised that conservative voters in the UK don’t understand the law or democracy any better than those here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:43:28am

re: #96 Dr Lizardo

I don’t disagree - the problem is going to be what to tell those 17 million Brits who did in fact request Parliament to enact Article 50. They are simply not going to accept, “Well, it was non-binding, after all”.

I don’t envy whomever would be chosen for that unpleasant task. Ideally, it should be Theresa May - or better yet, David Cameron can make the address, as it’s his fault entirely the UK is in the mess it’s in.

The Brits who didn’t mind getting getting lied to are going to be upset when they are told the truth.

And a lot of those 17 million Brits would vote otherwise today but there will still remain around 15 million who would be quite upset.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:43:43am

re: #89 Anymouse ??

Trump’s tweet is disingenuous in another way: He’s getting paid as well.

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Chrysicat  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:46:05am
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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:47:58am

David Bowie in 1999, noting the Internet would be both good and bad, whilst an interviewer thinks it would never catch on (video, sixty seconds)

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:48:05am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Brits who didn’t mind getting getting lied to are going to be upset when they are told the truth.

And a lot of those 17 million Brits would vote otherwise today but there will still remain around 15 million who would be quite upset.

Yep…..they were promised rainbow-shitting unicorns and nothing but blue skies and the pleasant scent of petunias wafting thorough the air of their Sceptered Isle.

And they’re gonna be furious when the realization finally hits them that they were sold a container ship full of bullshit.

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Ming5000  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:49:22am

So, Paul Whelan is still in Russian custody on espionage charges.
There is so much wonky about the story and about Whelan. One thing that stands out:

“Whelan, a former U.S. marine who also holds British, Canadian and Irish passports, was detained by Russia’s Federal Security Service on Dec. 28.”

Under what circumstances can someone have FOUR citizenships?

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 3:53:23am

I’m off to bed. Good- night to the overnight crew here at Mr. Johnson’s Home for Rational Discourse.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:00:06am

re: #22 Myron Falwell

I’m presuming this is what Jon Cooper is alluding to? I’m nowhere near an expert on this stuff but wouldn’t shock me if it’s all out in the open and no one bothered to connect the dots. YMMV.

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I would need to read and assess every story in that document (the document is 16 pages long with a photo and a link or two to the story that relates to the photo on each page). I don’t doubt it, don’t get me wrong, but that @funder guy (who wrote that document) is not the most reliable person. I had blocked him for a while.

If I have time today I will do just that, read each story. A couple of the links were from WaPo and most of the rest from sources that also need to be assessed.

As said, I do not doubt that there is a There there but more reading is needed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:09:28am

re: #103 Ming5000

So, Paul Whelan is still in Russian custody on espionage charges.
There is so much wonky about the story and about Whelan. One thing that stands out:

“Whelan, a former U.S. marine who also holds British, Canadian and Irish passports, was detained by Russia’s Federal Security Service on Dec. 28.”

Under what circumstances can someone have FOUR citizenships?

I cannot figure out citizenship laws, some nations allow dual/multiple citizenship, it is also a matter of whether or not you were born there and/or what nationality your parents were at the time.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:11:22am

re: #74 Alephnaught

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

I am starting to think that some of these UK players are taking Russian money, too.

It is too blatant that the UK is going to implode and yet they all seem perfectly fine allowing it.

There is no other reason but they are cashing in. Nothing else makes sense.

And Christ, UK…get better leaders all around. This cannot possibly be the best and brightest you have.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:15:03am

re: #107 MsJ

I am starting to think that some of these UK players are taking Russian money, too.

It is too blatant that the UK is going to implode and yet they all seem perfectly fine allowing it.

There is no other reason but they are cashing in. Nothing else makes sense.

And Christ, UK…get better leaders all around. This cannot possibly be the best and brightest you have.

The result of generations of inbreeding and a closed “public” school system that places money and breeding over ability.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:18:31am

re: #87 Dr Lizardo

Backing down on the wall BS and ending the shutdown would actually be easier because while the GOP base would certainly be furious and deeply embittered, there was no referendum on the matter that they could point to and say, “But we voted on this!”.

Revoking Article 50 (which I think should be done) would basically mean telling 17 million odd Brits to go fuck themselves. With the wall/shutdown, it’s more a matter of telling one man - Trump - to go fuck himself.

Revoking Article 50, while I think it’s for the best in the long run, really will open up a can of worms; PM May isn’t entirely wrong when she states that doing so would cause a good many people to question if their voices really matter at all, or if they’re just a bunch of plebs who should just shut up and do what they’re told.

The thing about the whole Brexit vote is this…

1. Everybody thought it would fail and many voted Leave as a protest of UK austerity policies. And none of them seem to have learned WHY people voted Leave.

2. They were lied to repeatedly and the liars came out the day after the vote and explicitly said they were lying. That should have invalidated the vote right then and there.

3. Rupert Murdoch is up to his neck in the lies. Like here, he got all the olds all worked up in his rags (because pretty much only olds read newsprint). Murdoch has ties to both Russia and China.

4. The night of the vote, THAT NIGHT, the top search phrase from the UK was “what is the European Union”. Morons voting for stuff they don’t even understand. Classic.

The UK really needs better leaders. Who they have are appalling. My understanding is that Corbyn isn’t the people’s choice at all, but the party choice.

Why are people not voting LibDem? They seem less insane.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:21:39am

re: #96 Dr Lizardo

I don’t disagree - the problem is going to be what to tell those 17 million Brits who did in fact request Parliament to enact Article 50. They are simply not going to accept, “Well, it was non-binding, after all”.

I don’t envy whomever would be chosen for that unpleasant task. Ideally, it should be Theresa May - or better yet, David Cameron can make the address, as it’s his fault entirely the UK is in the mess it’s in.

They voted on a concept. There was not a single, solid plan, it was only a concept. The vote was like for trump…everyone saw what they wanted, and none of it was factual.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:22:25am

re: #99 Anymouse ??

Trump’s tweet is disingenuous in another way: He’s getting paid as well.

That was my very first thought.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:24:32am

re: #103 Ming5000

So, Paul Whelan is still in Russian custody on espionage charges.
There is so much wonky about the story and about Whelan. One thing that stands out:

“Whelan, a former U.S. marine who also holds British, Canadian and Irish passports, was detained by Russia’s Federal Security Service on Dec. 28.”

Under what circumstances can someone have FOUR citizenships?

The only non-WTF way that I can think of is maybe through parents/grandparents, where he was actually born, or something like that.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven. I say keep him. Whatever. Because there is something seriously off about this whole thing and about that guy.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:26:52am

re: #109 MsJ

Not just that - look at this as well. The EU appointed Michael Barnier, who is, by all accounts a technocrat, to negotiate for the EU and report back to the politicians. The UK appointed politicians to negotiate for them - and report back to their peers and rivals.

The UK really shit the bed this time. And sadly, they have only themselves to blame.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:36:40am

re: #113 Dr Lizardo

Not just that - look at this as well. The EU appointed Michael Barnier, who is, by all accounts a technocrat, to negotiate for the EU and report back to the politicians. The UK appointed politicians to negotiate for them - and report back to their peers and rivals.

The UK really shit the bed this time. And sadly, they have only themselves to blame.

I hope that David Cameron is held up as the most failed politician in UK history. Not that it will do anything to save their asses but whatever.

And May? Seriously, how did she make it through another vote to be retained as PM?

Also, too, why is Corbyn the top pick of the party?

There is so much that completely escapes me.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:40:45am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

What was Bernie and that bird? God that was some weird shit. I mean it was cute but his supporters tried to act like SEE EVEN ANIMALS LOVE BERNIE and it was like uh guys it’s just a bird. Neat photo moment but you’re embarrassing yourselves. And they continue to do so by citing one poll as proof that Bernie the most popular politician in the country.

Let’s take a look at Bernie’s Bird, Shall we.
English sparrow is stuck INSIDE venue. Stuck inside means NO WATER AND LIMITED FOOD. The light reflected off Bernie’s water bottle was all it took for a little bird dying of thirst to react the way it did. The tubes thought it was a miracle as Bernie ignored the distress of The creature in his hands. That’s what the deal was with Bernie and his “Twitter Bird”. Poor thing was prolly found dead on the floor the next day.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:43:32am

re: #115 Dave In Austin

Let’s take a look at Bernie’s Bird, Shall we.
English sparrow is stuck INSIDE venue. Stuck inside means NO WATER AND LIMITED FOOD. The light reflected off Bernie’s water bottle was all it took for a little bird dying of thirst to react the way it did. The tubes thought it was a miracle as Bernie ignored the distress of The creature in his hands. That’s what the deal was with Bernie and his “Twitter Bird”. Poor thing was prolly found dead on the floor the next day.

That image was also being manipulated by the ratfuckers “Let’s make fun of how people see this as a sign from heaven!”

I really hope he keeps out of the 2020 race.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:44:12am

re: #114 MsJ

Basically, British politics has collapsed into tribalism and dysfunction. It’s genuinely sad seeing one of the world’s great democracies staggering about, rendered as blind and helpless as a newborn kitten, all because it’s head is so far up its own ass.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:48:24am

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

Basically, British politics has collapsed into tribalism and dysfunction. It’s genuinely sad seeing one of the world’s great democracies staggering about, rendered as blind and helpless as a newborn kitten, all because it’s head is so far up its own ass.

The entire electoral system is one big Electoral College: no majority is needed, just the plurality of votes in each voting district.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:49:55am

re: #107 MsJ

I am starting to think that some of these UK players are taking Russian money, too.

It is too blatant that the UK is going to implode and yet they all seem perfectly fine allowing it.

There is no other reason but they are cashing in. Nothing else makes sense.

And Christ, UK…get better leaders all around. This cannot possibly be the best and brightest you have.

We also need better leaders too — at least on the GOP side. I fear that we are stuck in the same place as 18th century Poland which eventually collapsed and was dismembered because of something called liberum veto, which essentially required unanimous agreement among the principals in the parliament. I don’t see any way out of this since the entire Republican party seems owned by the Russians.

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Sea Mexican  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:50:00am

re: #29 Myron Falwell

This almost slipped under the radar. Prior to running for Congress, AOC helped as a Standing Rock protestor, and has attributed it to her want to enter public service.

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AOC is growing on me big-time, dagnabbit.

I think I have a political crush. I’m envying the good people of NY that have her as their representative.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:52:06am

re: #118 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The entire electoral system is one big Electoral College: no majority is needed, just the plurality of votes in each voting district.

Yeah, their first past the post system is another major problem as well. Electoral reform is genuinely needed in the UK, but because the two biggest parties directly benefit from the status quo, they have precious little incentive to make any changes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 4:52:13am

re: #120 Sea Mexican

I think I have a political crush. I’m envying the good people of NY that have her as their representative.

My dream threesome; AOC and Sarah Kendzior…sitting up in bed afterwards, smoking and talking about tax policy and authoritarian politics.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:00:14am

Any Lizards awake up in the SF Bay area?

Just read there was an earthquake a few minutes ago.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:01:52am

re: #116 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My latent inner biologist flared to full warp speed when I saw that. NOW….. If White Capped Dumbass had put his hand up and told the rubes to be quiet and unscrewed the cap and put some water in it for the poor thing to drink it’s fill. The effect would be in books….. GAAAH!!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:02:23am

re: #123 Dr Lizardo

Yep, there was; 3.7 moment magnitude.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:02:43am

re: #67 Single-handed sailor

LOL that’s not just a right wing rando, it’s Jim Quinn, a RWNJ talk show host no one listens to.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:05:43am

In Sears news, looks like Eddie Lampert’s ESL has won the bankruptcy auction.

bloomberg.com

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Curious Lifeform  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:09:28am

re: #96 Dr Lizardo

I don’t disagree - the problem is going to be what to tell those 17 million Brits who did in fact request Parliament to enact Article 50. They are simply not going to accept, “Well, it was non-binding, after all”.

I don’t envy whomever would be chosen for that unpleasant task. Ideally, it should be Theresa May - or better yet, David Cameron can make the address, as it’s his fault entirely the UK is in the mess it’s in.

Hello, your friendly neighbourhood informative Brit here.

If the Tories revoke Article 50 it will break their promises and be political suicide, losing them the electorate’s trust for decades, perhaps forever, even if doing it is actually the “best” thing for the UK.

Extending it is a possibility but both the EU and frankly Parliament might say, “What for?” - the deal is very dead and the EU have said no other deal is possible. Brinkmanship notwithstanding, they seem to mean it.

The choice to me, then, seems to be to leave with no deal, or remain.

To revoke Article 50 needs a new referendum to give it any legitimacy. It doesn’t matter who is PM. I cannot foresee if that is what the government will try and do. The electorate is as equally divided as before. I cannot foresee if they DID try that, it would even work.

I feel like the first vote was kind of for No Deal Brexit.

K

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:12:29am

The stretch…….

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:13:34am

re: #128 Curious Lifeform

Yeah, it seems to me it’s shaping up to be a no-deal Brexit crashout.

Well, what can I say? Best of luck and may the fallout be limited.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:15:44am

Move along, nothing to see here

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Curious Lifeform  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:21:00am

re: #121 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, their first past the post system is another major problem as well. Electoral reform is genuinely needed in the UK, but because the two biggest parties directly benefit from the status quo, they have precious little incentive to make any changes.

LibDems run on that platform always, because they are a smaller party and will get to decide the nation’s policy despite being a minority. “Hmmm, who will offer us everything we want to make a government today?”

The problem is the logic backfires as 80% of the country votes AGAINST PR every time.

It’s not a perfect democracy. We look enviously at the US system sometimes, but parliamentary democracy is inclusive and works as the two “major” parties need to soak up and address minority issues when those issues start stealing the odd one or two seats and tipping the balance. The Green party successes, while never threatening to actually form a government, forced Labour and Conservatives to address the issue and figure out who can be “greenest” to attract that particular voter block into their tent.

The success of UKIP is what brought this current problem. A significant portion of the UK electorate wanted out. The Tories ran on the platform to give it a referendum and honour the result. They were voted in by a popular majority. Corbyn, despite losing, still contributes to the parliament and has his large number of member votes to influence of steering policy, too. So even if you vote for the losing side, you still sort of have a voice in government.

It kind of works.

K.

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Alephnaught  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:26:25am

re: #106 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I cannot figure out citizenship laws, some nations allow dual/multiple citizenship, it is also a matter of whether or not you were born there and/or what nationality your parents were at the time.

I do know that if your parents or grandparents were born in Ireland, you can apply for an Irish passport. (Guess who’s looking through their family tree ATM…)

As this includes Northern Ireland as well as the Republic, I could imagine a situation where someone is born in the US, but their parents came from Canada and Northern Ireland respectively. That way that person could obtain passports from the parent’s nationalities, and through the Northern Ireland connection, obtain a Republic of Ireland passport as well.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:26:48am
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jeffreyw  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:28:43am


Good morning!
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Alephnaught  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:33:52am

re: #121 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, their first past the post system is another major problem as well. Electoral reform is genuinely needed in the UK, but because the two biggest parties directly benefit from the status quo, they have precious little incentive to make any changes.

Yeah. The weird thing is that there has been electoral reform in other areas of government in the UK, and it’s worked without any fuss. The devolved parliaments all use some form of PR, (The Scottish Government uses an Additional Member system, similar to elections in Germany.) and the Scottish Council elections use Single Transferable Vote. And yet, every time something similar has been mooted for the Westminster parliament, there’s been no enthusiasm for it.

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Ming5000  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:34:04am

re: #133 Alephnaught

Interesting.
It may seem cool to have another passport, but apparently having multiple passports flags you as suspicious to authorities. Having four passports might just make immigration authorities want to haul you in to ask “WTF, dude?”

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:36:56am

re: #119 Hecuba’s daughter

We also need better leaders too — at least on the GOP side. I fear that we are stuck in the same place as 18th century Poland which eventually collapsed and was dismembered because of something called liberum veto, which essentially required unanimous agreement among the principals in the parliament. I don’t see any way out of this since the entire Republican party seems owned by the Russians.

Agreed. Democracy only functions when you have people acting in good faith on both sides. We do not.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:38:44am

re: #123 Dr Lizardo

Any Lizards awake up in the SF Bay area?

Just read there was an earthquake a few minutes ago.

3.x (between 4 and 7 depending on who you read).

BART is doing inspections now but it seems ok.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:42:56am

re: #125 Dr Lizardo

Yep, there was; 3.7 moment magnitude.

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Texted my girl friend in San Francisco. The quake jolted her awake; it was about 5am her time when she responded to me.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:45:29am

re: #140 Hecuba’s daughter

Earthquakes…..I hate ‘em.

OK; off to work. BBL.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:45:42am

My only fear about a 3.7 earthquake is whether it is a precursor to bigger things to come.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:47:05am

re: #119 Hecuba’s daughter

We also need better leaders too — at least on the GOP side. I fear that we are stuck in the same place as 18th century Poland which eventually collapsed and was dismembered because of something called liberum veto, which essentially required unanimous agreement among the principals in the parliament. I don’t see any way out of this since the entire Republican party seems owned by the Russians.

Even if they all aren’t owned by the Russians, they are clearly susceptible of being totally controlled by someone who is at best a two-bit, thrice-bankrupt conman. They should never be taken seriously as a political party after this bullshit, but here we are.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:50:42am

Hmmm…looks like a bunch of MT republicans are going to be moving.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:53:10am

From the guy who called Russia our biggest threat a few years ago.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:54:34am

re: #64 Anymouse ??

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I just finished reading the autobiography of Chester Nez, one of the original Code talkers. I highly recommend it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:55:03am

re: #145 MsJ

From the guy who called Russia our biggest threat a few years ago.

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That was all talk. Remember Trump’s Ambassador to Germany was Romney’s FP guy before the religious right flipped out over him being gay rather than the odious asshole he is. Romney is a fraud.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2019 • 5:58:11am

Replies….. I LOLed.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:00:10am

Anyhow the post by the former Estonian President got me thinking about something else. I’m a dove but I strongly support NATO since those nations have had our back. Estonia wasn’t attacked on 9/11 but they and several other small nations that guys like Tucker and Trump disparage were there for us. Some of these nations even joined Bush’s Iraq coalition even though it was unpopular at home. For Tucker to say well our kids shouldn’t need to die for Estonia is frankly the attitude the original America Firsters had in WWII. They don’t care about democratic allies.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:00:43am
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:01:02am

re: #123 Dr Lizardo

Any Lizards awake up in the SF Bay area?

Just read there was an earthquake a few minutes ago.

I felt a little quiver. If I hadn’t been awake (ugh!), it wouldn’t have been enough to wake me.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:02:17am

re: #129 Dave In Austin

The stretch…….

He’s been watching Lou Dobbs again.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:06:41am

re: #67 Single-handed sailor

Snowflakey conservatives acting all snowflakey.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:06:57am

Look at this thread……. Misguided intern?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:09:38am

re: #154 Dave In Austin

Look at this thread……. Misguided intern?

Is it a verified account?

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:09:57am

re: #129 Dave In Austin

The stretch…….

We’re trying to stop the crime, but you’re still in office.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:10:14am

re: #153 Sir John Barron

Snowflakey conservatives acting all snowflakey.

And then many of these same guys are probably defending that 51 year old who hit an 11 year old. Thus proving the ad.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:12:54am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:12:57am

re: #128 Curious Lifeform

To revoke Article 50 needs a new referendum to give it any legitimacy. It doesn’t matter who is PM. I cannot foresee if that is what the government will try and do. The electorate is as equally divided as before. I cannot foresee if they DID try that, it would even work.

I feel like the first vote was kind of for No Deal Brexit.

K

They could phrase it as “We invoked Article 50 as you requested but as we have failed to reach a satisfactory deal to leave, we need to request to again in clear terms; Stay or Hard Brexit?”

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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:13:26am

re: #157 HappyWarrior

And then many of these same guys are probably defending that 51 year old who hit an 11 year old. Thus proving the ad.

“That 11-year old was no angel. Refused to step off the sidewalk as instructed by her bettors.”

/

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freetoken  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:13:53am
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Curious Lifeform  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:14:03am

re: #136 Alephnaught

Yeah. The weird thing is that there has been electoral reform in other areas of government in the UK, and it’s worked without any fuss. The devolved parliaments all use some form of PR, (The Scottish Government uses an Additional Member system, similar to elections in Germany.) and the Scottish Council elections use Single Transferable Vote. And yet, every time something similar has been mooted for the Westminster parliament, there’s been no enthusiasm for it.

Fun fact: This could be an opportunity for the Lib Dems. If a general election is called and they ran on a definite Remain platform, they could win a landslide (both major parties are divided on it). They have long pushed for PR, so could also implement that as part of their manifesto.

Trouble is, if they can make their own majority government, they won’t need it anymore.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:15:26am

re: #133 Alephnaught

I do know that if your parents or grandparents were born in Ireland, you can apply for an Irish passport. (Guess who’s looking through their family tree ATM…)

As this includes Northern Ireland as well as the Republic, I could imagine a situation where someone is born in the US, but their parents came from Canada and Northern Ireland respectively. That way that person could obtain passports from the parent’s nationalities, and through the Northern Ireland connection, obtain a Republic of Ireland passport as well.

A buddy of mine born in Manhattan got a Swiss passport by virtue of his mom being from Ticino. My ex-GF, born in PA, is eligible for Italian citizenship because her grandparents were born in Italy and never became US citizens. Her cousins already applied successfully and were even allowed to keep their US passports, but It varies from nation to nation

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Curious Lifeform  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:16:47am

re: #159 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They could phrase it as “We invoked Article 50 as you requested but as we have failed to reach a satisfactory deal to leave, we need to request to again in clear terms; Stay or Hard Brexit?”

Yes that would seem a reasonable course of action. I confidently predicted a month ago here there would be no new referendum. Now I’m not so sure. No deal is such a big deal the MPs just have to make sure. I hope they do.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:17:45am

re: #161 freetoken

DW needles the whiners:

Opinion: Gillette ad takes blade to fragile male ego

It continues to confound me about people who continue to whine about PC, snowflakes, etc get triggered to the point these guys do. People don’t have to like the ad but destroying razors just makes you look stupid. And honestly if Piers Morgan is one of the lead tantrum throwers, something stinks. We are talking about a man who gets enraged by vegan sausage options ffs.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:18:01am

re: #29 Myron Falwell

This almost slipped under the radar. Prior to running for Congress, AOC helped as a Standing Rock protestor, and has attributed it to her want to enter public service.

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AOC is growing on me big-time, dagnabbit.

The hardest thing for people to do is apologize. That should be a required trait for office.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:19:10am

re: #162 Curious Lifeform

Fun fact: This could be an opportunity for the Lib Dems. If a general election is called and they ran on a definite Remain platform, they could win a landslide (both major parties are divided on it). They have long pushed for PR, so could also implement that as part of their manifesto.

Trouble is, if they can make their own majority government, they won’t need it anymore.

The little I know about the Lib Dems I like.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:20:01am

re: #164 Curious Lifeform

Yes that would seem a reasonable course of action. I confidently predicted a month ago here there would be no new referendum. Now I’m not so sure. No deal is such a big deal the MPs just have to make sure. I hope they do.

Yeah, it’s a shame that reason took the southbound train there long ago.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:20:05am

re: #166 Belafon

The hardest thing for people to do is apologize. That should be a required trait for office.

It’s the oral opposite of Trump. I’ve never seen him admit to being wrong. Sure have seen him double down a lot tho.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:20:56am

re: #165 HappyWarrior

It continues to confound me about people who continue to whine about PC, snowflakes, etc get triggered to the point these guys do. People don’t have to like the ad but destroying razors just makes you look stupid. And honestly if Piers Morgan is one of the lead tantrum throwers, something stinks. We are talking about a man who gets enraged by vegan sausage options ffs.

It is just so much fun yanking these guys’ chains.

Keep in mind, Gillette also sells razors to women. Am not about to check their sales figs, but I imagine it is as much or more than they sell to men…

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:22:26am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Gillibrand has made it official in throwing her hat in the ring, which means the knives are already out for her because she called for Franken to step down over allegations of harassment and unwanted contacts with multiple women.

So… time to update my tier rankings (no change really):

Tier One: Harris, Booker, Warren, Gillibrand (no order ranking yet)
Tier Two: Beto, Brown, Garcetti, Inslee, Castro, Klobuchar
Tier Three: McAuliffe, Delaney
Tier Four: Bloomberg, Biden
Tier Five (don’t just go away.. go home): Bernie, Tulsi.
Anyone in the first two tiers could be president; any in the top three could be VP and I’d be okay with it. Tier 4/5 - don’t want, don’t need. And Bernie/Tulsi should just go away.

That you’ve got media scrutinizing whether Bernie is running to catch the Senate subway while other Democrats who are in the running are just walking or milling about as a story in and of itself shows how lazy journalists are. Instead of digging into Bernie’s past - and following up on the financial chicanery surrounding his wife, his failure to release his tax returns, etc., we’re treated to a dog and pony show.

Media must do better.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:25:46am

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is just so much fun yanking these guys’ chains.

Keep in mind, Gillette also sells razors to women. Am not about to check their sales figs, but I imagine it is as much or more than they sell to men…

Of course I know that. That’s why I find Piers’ reaction so funny. And yeah it’s funny because they prove time and time again they get pissy over nothing. I won’t say liberal outrage is always right but in my experiences our outrages are at least based in something not silly.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:26:17am

Iowa is turning on Steve King.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:26:56am

re: #150 Dave In Austin

Florida man is just preparing for everyday driving once the coastline swallows up the entire state in a few years.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:28:04am

re: #171 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Gillibrand has made it official in throwing her hat in the ring, which means the knives are already out for her because she called for Franken to step down over allegations of harassment and unwanted contacts with multiple women.

So… time to update my tier rankings (no change really):

Tier One: Harris, Booker, Warren, Gillibrand (no order ranking yet)
Tier Two: Beto, Brown, Garcetti, Inslee, Castro, Klobuchar
Tier Three: McAuliffe, Delaney
Tier Four: Bloomberg, Biden
Tier Five (don’t just go away.. go home): Bernie, Tulsi.
Anyone in the first two tiers could be president; any in the top three could be VP and I’d be okay with it. Tier 4/5 - don’t want, don’t need. And Bernie/Tulsi should just go away.

That you’ve got media scrutinizing whether Bernie is running to catch the Senate subway while other Democrats who are in the running are just walking or milling about as a story in and of itself shows how lazy journalists are. Instead of digging into Bernie’s past - and following up on the financial chicanery surrounding his wife, his failure to release his tax returns, etc., we’re treated to a dog and pony show.

Media must do better.

The Bernie jog just so stupid. Those reporters could have focused on the questions that Harris and Booker asked of Barr.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:28:06am

re: #171 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Gillibrand has made it official in throwing her hat in the ring, which means the knives are already out for her because she called for Franken to step down over allegations of harassment and unwanted contacts with multiple women.

So… time to update my tier rankings (no change really):

Tier One: Harris, Booker, Warren, Gillibrand (no order ranking yet)
Tier Two: Beto, Brown, Garcetti, Inslee, Castro, Klobuchar
Tier Three: McAuliffe, Delaney
Tier Four: Bloomberg, Biden
Tier Five (don’t just go away.. go home): Bernie, Tulsi.
Anyone in the first two tiers could be president; any in the top three could be VP and I’d be okay with it. Tier 4/5 - don’t want, don’t need. And Bernie/Tulsi should just go away.

That you’ve got media scrutinizing whether Bernie is running to catch the Senate subway while other Democrats who are in the running are just walking or milling about as a story in and of itself shows how lazy journalists are. Instead of digging into Bernie’s past - and following up on the financial chicanery surrounding his wife, his failure to release his tax returns, etc., we’re treated to a dog and pony show.

Media must do better.

I’d put Biden in the top tier if/once he declares, not in the sense that I prefer him, but in terms of his competitiveness relative to the rest of the field.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:30:02am

re: #176 Sir John Barron

I’d put Biden in the top tier if/once he declares, not in the sense that I prefer him, but in terms of his competitiveness relative to the rest of the field.

That’s a whole other ball game in itself. I’m undecided on Biden tho. I originally had him higher but now I’m not sure.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:30:53am

re: #176 Sir John Barron

I get that… but this is my preference ranking - not where they fit based on likelihood of winning nomination. That’d be a different tier structure - and one where name recognition is valued more at this stage of the game than competency or skill.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:31:12am

re: #141 Dr Lizardo

Earthquakes…..I hate ‘em.

OK; off to work. BBL.

Yeah. I got shaken awake in the early morning by the Kobe earthquake, turned on the tv and they showed a little bit broken glass. Went back to sleep. Woke up a few hours later and “holy shit!”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:33:23am

re: #178 lawhawk

I get that… but this is my preference ranking - not where they fit based on likelihood of winning nomination. That’d be a different tier structure - and one where name recognition is valued more at this stage of the game than competency or skill.

Yes. TBH I think Biden is benefiting some from that at the moment. And honestly a lot of our fondness of Biden comes from being paired with Obama.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:35:25am

re: #178 lawhawk

I get that… but this is my preference ranking - not where they fit based on likelihood of winning nomination. That’d be a different tier structure - and one where name recognition is valued more at this stage of the game than competency or skill.

Yeah I don’t know where I am on preferences yet. Need to hear more.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:39:03am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Yes. TBH I think Biden is benefiting some from that at the moment. And honestly a lot of our fondness of Biden comes from being paired with Obama.

I don’t look at Biden as being part of my fondness of Obama (love of Obama, actually), I look at Biden as a face of experience which we need to unwind this clusterfuck.

Biden/Harris and I am all in.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:40:30am

re: #161 freetoken

DW needles the whiners:

Opinion: Gillette ad takes blade to fragile male ego

Guess there are a lot of guys who have sensitive “skin” and can’t handle being told to buck up and be better.

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William Lewis  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:40:35am

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

CL’d

Hamsters.

My cl’d response was “More like Hastert. Possibly younger.” Money doesn’t get that kind of instant change, but a honey pot can.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:42:24am

re: #182 MsJ

I don’t look at Biden as being part of my fondness of Obama (love of Obama, actually), I look at Biden as a face of experience which we need to unwind this clusterfuck.

Biden/Harris and I am all in.

Well I said for some people. I hear ya tho.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:44:59am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

It’s the oral opposite of Trump. I’ve never seen him admit to being wrong. Sure have seen him double down a lot tho.

Trump and AOC are diametric opposites in every way, shape and form. As much as Trump’s awfulness is a terrible example that the GOP at large is totally fine with supporting and enabling, AOC is setting a clear example for others to follow and embrace with her humility.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:45:48am
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William Lewis  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:46:30am

re: #86 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Interesting. First I’ve heard of it.

I have had several of my students come out to me here. All of them say they cannot come out to their parents. Getting married and having children is a BIG thing here, for many reasons, both practical and traditional. So telling your parents you are LGBTQ is almost like telling them “You will never have grandkids, and everyone in town will talk about you behind your backs as failed parents.” That attitude is changing, but very slowly. Relative to American acceptance, China is still in the mid-1960s.

Knowing that from various sources, I have been wondering if there really is a significant gender imbalance currently from the “One Child” policy? And how much of an impact has that had on the marriage situation for young men?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:47:49am

re: #187 MsJ

Not actually from her campaign, though. Not that she has a campaign at this stage.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:47:50am

re: #182 MsJ

I don’t look at Biden as being part of my fondness of Obama (love of Obama, actually), I look at Biden as a face of experience which we need to unwind this clusterfuck.

Biden/Harris and I am all in.

One could make a similar case for Sen. Brown, given his decades of experience and knowledge in both the House and Senate (note: Brown represented my district back when I had a district, and he and Connie still reside in my hometown).

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Amory Blaine  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:49:40am

Wisconsin is the most segregated state in America, according to new report

Fifty-six years after Dr. Martin Luther King first introduced the world to his dream of a colorblind America, a new report by WalletHub shows just how far Wisconsin still has to go.

WalletHub ranks Wisconsin the most segregated state in America.

Only Washington, D.C. ranks behind Wisconsin in terms of racial integration. The study defines racial integration as the disparity between white and black Americans in terms of achieving wealth, employment, education, social engagement, and health.

Not only did Wisconsin rank low in each one of those categories, but the state also had one of the highest income gaps, as well as the second-highest labor-force participation rate gap.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:50:46am

re: #190 Myron Falwell

One could make a similar case for Sen. Brown, given his decades of experience and knowledge in both the House and Senate (note: Brown represented my district back when I had a district, and he and Connie still reside in my hometown).

I like Brown a lot, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think the experience is the same as Veep or SOS at the top of the ticket. Just my opinion.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:55:09am

West Virginia GOPers y’all:

These fuckers think that the state can do without $10 million, which could help feed poor, retrain miners who are out of jobs as the mining industry continues its slow contraction into oblivion, etc.

They’d rather fund a wall more than a thousand miles away and which wont do anything that its proponents claim it will do.

Even more fundamental than that - their $10 million wouldn’t even buy a mile of wall. It barely achieves a fraction of a percentage point of what Trump is demanding .

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:55:26am

BREAKING - Speaker Nancy Pelosi has invited Vladimir Putin to deliver the annual State of the Union speech.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:56:34am

re: #194 De Kolta Chair

Pelosi has actually requested that Trump submit a letter as SOTU instead of giving a speech in consideration of the ongoing shutdown.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:58:41am

re: #191 Amory Blaine

Easy to see why the ruskies targeted the morans here.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:59:06am

re: #188 William Lewis

Knowing that from various sources, I have been wondering if there really is a significant gender imbalance currently from the “One Child” policy? And how much of an impact has that had on the marriage situation for young men?

There is a surplus of men. I think the ratio is around 115:100, but I’ve seen estimates as high as 120:100, and the disparity is expected to increase over time. It’s one of the many reasons the government has abandoned the one-child policy. Young men have a variety of obstacles to finding a mate. A woman and/or her parents expect the man and/or his family to provide her with a house, a car, and assistance in supporting her parents in their old age. Many guys just can’t manage that until they’re nearly 30. At the same time, women are postponing marriage, if they can manage it, to pursue their careers and higher education. Then, *they* have trouble finding men who want to marry a woman who is perhaps more successful or better educated than they.

Often, families push their kids into marriages the families have arranged, and these marriage more often than not end in divorce as soon as offspring have been produced. This happened to several of my former students.

Some men have resorted to forcibly marrying women from Vietnam, North Korea and other nearby (poor) countries. Human trafficking is on the rise as a result.

It’s a mess.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:59:23am

re: #193 lawhawk

West Virginia GOPers y’all:

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These fuckers think that the state can do without $10 million, which could help feed poor, retrain miners who are out of jobs as the mining industry continues its slow contraction into oblivion, etc.

They’d rather fund a wall more than a thousand miles away and which wont do anything that its proponents claim it will do.

Even more fundamental than that - their $10 million wouldn’t even buy a mile of wall. It barely achieves a fraction of a percentage point of what Trump is demanding .

And then when their state remains impoverished, blame big city libs. Gold Jerry.

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William Lewis  Jan 16, 2019 • 6:59:30am

re: #191 Amory Blaine

Wisconsin is the most segregated state in America, according to new report

Easy to believe. Milwaukee was traditionally the most segregated city in the nation - it even segregated by ethnic groups as well as races. You could have a Polish neighborhood on one side of the street and a German on on the other and No one would cross the street for any reason.

Madison is extremely segregated as well - south side & east side are where you find the “Low Income”housing for example.

Part of this is due to the difference in Northern racism from Southern racism - up north, a black man can work with whites and even be a manager over them but god forbid they live next door to each other. The south was generally the opposite to this.

Smaller cities were just the same - Eau Claire for example didn’t have a significant minority population until the 70s/80s when Hmong refugees showed up and were quickly shunted into a ghetto down by the old Walter’s brewery. They didn’t have to be in separate schools, but keep them away from our homes (said with “jokes” about missing cats and dogs being eaten).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:00:39am

re: #199 William Lewis

Easy to believe. Milwaukee was traditionally the most segregated city in the nation - it even segregated by ethnic groups as well as races. You could have a Polish neighborhood on one side of the street and a German on on the other and No one would cross the street for any reason.

Madison is extremely segregated as well - south side & east side are where you find the “Low Income”housing for example.

Part of this is due to the difference in Northern racism from Southern racism - up north, a black man can work with whites and even be a manager over them but god forbid they live next door to each other. The south was generally the opposite to this.

Smaller cities were just the same - Eau Claire for example didn’t have a significant minority population until the 70s/80s when Hmong refugees showed up and were quickly shunted into a ghetto down by the old Walter’s brewery. They didn’t have to be in separate schools, but keep them away from our homes (said with “jokes” about missing cats and dogs being eaten).

Yeah we’ve had that conversation before about how regional racism differed.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:02:48am

Wisconsin might explain too why some Obama voters went for Trump. Could tolerate a poc being potus but didn’t like the idea of them being neighbors.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:08:02am

Racism is complicated.

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Curious Lifeform  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:08:24am

re: #193 lawhawk

West Virginia GOPers y’all:

These fuckers think that the state can do without $10 million, which could help feed poor, retrain miners who are out of jobs as the mining industry continues its slow contraction into oblivion, etc.

They’d rather fund a wall more than a thousand miles away and which wont do anything that its proponents claim it will do.

Even more fundamental than that - their $10 million wouldn’t even buy a mile of wall. It barely achieves a fraction of a percentage point of what Trump is demanding .

$10m would not even buy one mile of wall.

Not. Even. One. Mile. Of. Wall.

Do you know how much good I - anyone - could do with $10m?

Such a waste.

What happened to that gofundme of the Wall-supporters? Someone should do a graphic of how tiny a fraction of the complete wall all their efforts have bought. Keep it up to date weekly. Let them see how much of a waste it is.

$5b looks like a small number. Until you write it as $1,000 x $1,000,000 (or do you use the “big” billion meaning?)

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:12:00am

re: #203 Curious Lifeform

$5b looks like a small number. Until you write it as $1,000 x $1,000,000 (or do you use the “big” billion meaning?)

Little billion.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:14:02am

re: #203 Curious Lifeform

Someone should explain to them how many times Jesus could have been born while they’re spending that money. That seems to be the analogy they want to grasp.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:16:38am
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William Lewis  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:21:04am

re: #206 The Vicious Babushka

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3. He’s under orders from the boss in Moscow to extend things as long as possible.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:22:07am

re: #202 HappyWarrior

Racism is complicated.

It is just such a loaded term and used in such a scattershot manner that I can start to see why MSNBC advised its reporters to avoid using it directly.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:22:30am

re: #207 William Lewis

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Curious Lifeform  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:23:47am

re: #205 Belafon

Someone should explain to them how many times Jesus could have been born while they’re spending that money. That seems to be the analogy they want to grasp.

LOL not sure I grasp it.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:24:56am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:25:29am

re: #206 The Vicious Babushka

We have secured enough Republican votes in the Senate to reopen government.

Can’t read the link, but what is she basing this on? Are there 4-5 Senate R’s on record as favoring the House bill?

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:25:42am

re: #207 William Lewis

3. He’s under orders from the boss in Moscow to extend things as long as possible.

4. They’ve already achieved their decades-long dream laid out by Ronald Reagan and Grover Norquist.

McConnell right now has what the GOP has been training their voters for forty years: Government is evil and must be destroyed.

To me the last is the reason (aside from McConnell being the de facto dictator of the nation for years), and why so many Republicans are still supporting the shutdown. (It’s also why the GOP has played brinkmanship with shutdowns so many times before.)

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:26:08am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Wisconsin might explain too why some Obama voters went for Trump. Could tolerate a poc being potus but didn’t like the idea of them being neighbors.

I don’t know if I agree.

I think people who went for trump were, in many cases, desperate for…

“The best healthcare you will ever get! Believe me!” and heard he would improve on the hated (due to ratfucking) Obamacare.

“Zillions of jobs!” and they need a job.

Everything trump said was so generic, people heard what they wanted to hear, what they were desperate to hear.

Austerity in the UK created Brexit.

Republicanism in the US created trump.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:27:58am

ISIS claims it has killed a number of US soldiers in Syria in a suicide bombing.

washingtonpost.com

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:32:51am

re: #212 Sir John Barron

Can’t read the link, but what is she basing this on? Are there 4-5 Senate R’s on record as favoring the House bill?

It’s not that far-fetched; remember that 10 GOP senators broke ranks yesterday and sided with Sen. Schumer to swat down the treasury’s plan to rescind some of the Russian sanctions.

But AOC is also doing the dirty work and helping the Democratic House push the narrative against Mitch. As they should.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:33:08am

re: #214 MsJ

I don’t know if I agree.

I think people who went for trump were, in many cases, desperate for…

“The best healthcare you will ever get! Believe me!” and heard he would improve on the hated (due to ratfucking) Obamacare.

“Zillions of jobs!” and they need a job.

Everything trump said was so generic, people heard what they wanted to hear, what they were desperate to hear.

Austerity in the UK created Brexit.

Republicanism in the US created trump.

I don’t know. It just seems to me that Trump definitely touched on resentment of immigrants. Republican base voters aren’t the only ones who can fall victim to xenophobia. I think you’re right about a lot of this though. Trump gave them easy answers rather than the complex ones HRC was offering and that’s probably why you ese some overlap with Bernie and Trump even though their economics are different.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:34:50am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

I don’t know. It just seems to me that Trump definitely touched on resentment of immigrants. Republican base voters aren’t the only ones who can fall victim to xenophobia. I think you’re right about a lot of this though. Trump gave them easy answers rather than the complex ones HRC was offering and that’s probably why you ese some overlap with Bernie and Trump even though their economics are different.

Most Americans agree that we need some sort of immigration reform, but the options are complex and disagreeable to various factions. “Build a wall!” and “Round ‘em up!” are great slogans that appeal to the broad masses.

You know, the common clay, salt of the earth, etc…

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:38:31am

re: #211 lawhawk

Hahahahaha. Making a clear and decisive threat to deprive Donny of his precious SOTU. I love it.

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Citizen K  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:40:00am

Somedays, I just fucking hate everything.

Racist Shows Up to Harass Black Woman at Press Conference Announcing He Won’t Be Charged For Harassing Black Woman

At a press conference, Monday, Vermont’s chief law enforcement officer almost completed one of the greatest performances of whitesplaining in recent history as he announced that he wouldn’t file charges against a white nationalist who allegedly stalked, harassed and terrified one of the state’s only black lawmakers.

As Vermont Attorney General T.J. Donovan described the voluminous evidence, he pointed out that he didn’t have enough evidence. He explained how the hate speech was a matter of free speech. He explained that the harassment against the black family was bad, but that it wasn’t a crime. All the while, the woman was the target of the incessant acts of hate stood beside him as he shucked and jived.

Then the racists showed up.

According to WNYT, On Monday, Vermont Attorney General T.J Donovan held a press conference at the Congregation Beth El synagogue in Bennington, Vt. to announce that, instead of filing charges, he would instead release a 10-page report on the racial harassment of former State Rep. Kiah Morris, the state’s only black woman state representative who resigned in September after allegedly being harangued by white supremacist Max Misch, who describes himself the man who “be representin dem white muhfuckaz of Bennington.”

Motherfucker managed to win out as completely and utterly as possible and he still had to come to the press conference to continue to harass her.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:40:10am

re: #219 Myron Falwell

Hahahahaha. Making a clear and decisive threat to deprive Donny of his precious SOTU. I love it.

What do we need government for, anyways? SOTU is a waste of time and taxpayer money.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:40:37am

re: #218 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Most Americans agree that we need some sort of immigration reform, but the options are complex and disagreeable to various factions. “Build a wall!” and “Round ‘em up!” are great slogans that appeal to the broad masses.

You know, the common clay, salt of the earth, etc…

Then alot of these people when they saw the immigrants they actually knew started getting rounded up, they realized that maybe they didn’t want this. Belafon was right last night, tyranny happens when you have a willing populace, I fortunately don’t think we are there. I really think the worst of Trumpism is over since it’s on the defensive now. but we must be vigilant.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:41:26am

re: #220 Citizen K

Somedays, I just fucking hate everything.

Racist Shows Up to Harass Black Woman at Press Conference Announcing He Won’t Be Charged For Harassing Black Woman

Motherfucker managed to win out as completely and utterly as possible and he still had to come to the press conference to continue to harass her.

I’ll remember this the next time someone tells me that the whole US should be more like Vermont. Vermont has a lot of nasty stuff behind the progressive paradise veneer.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:41:39am

Remember, Speaker Pelosi still holds ALL the cards. And unlike Trump’s want to hurt everyone with his bullshit moves, she knows how to hurt him where it matters most. His ego.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:43:32am

re: #221 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What do we need government for, anyways? SOTU is a waste of time and taxpayer money.

It’s a 90 minute ego stroke for Trump to appease his remaining base that the networks must carry. She’s de facto cancelled it and preventing him from making another mass appeal for the wall.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:45:10am

re: #225 Myron Falwell

It’s a 90 minute ego stroke for Trump to appease his remaining base that the networks must carry. She’s de facto cancelled it and preventing him from making another mass appeal for the wall.

How is Fox spinning this? Suppression of Free Speech?

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:45:18am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

I don’t know. It just seems to me that Trump definitely touched on resentment of immigrants. Republican base voters aren’t the only ones who can fall victim to xenophobia. I think you’re right about a lot of this though. Trump gave them easy answers rather than the complex ones HRC was offering and that’s probably why you ese some overlap with Bernie and Trump even though their economics are different.

About that, Wonkette has an article from the crapfest that was Trump’s visit to the Farm Bureau convention.

Interviewing a bunch of soybean farmers, the narrative is WALL and Trump is good for farmers.

The issue is how many farmers interviewed felt that way, and how much film was left on the cutting room floor of farmers saying “He’s ruining us, get that jerk out of there.”

They also have an interview with the one African-American all the networks pass around to weigh in on farms, Mr. John Boyd, Jr. of the National Black Farmers Association. He notes how bad this is for him personally, for others in his association, and for white farmers. He also discusses the structural racism which exists in the USDA from the days of Jim Crow to this day.
wonkette.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:47:13am

Makeitstop if you’re here, our pal Frank Turner I think had it right in 1933:
Be suspicious of simple answers
That shit’s for fascists and maybe teenagers
You can’t fix the world if all you have is a hammer

I think that although Frank definitely was writing about Trump and the rise of nativism through Brexit in his native UK, you could apply to anyone like Bernie or the Libertarians who just think if you get rid of this, all is good.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:47:55am

re: #224 Myron Falwell

Remember, Speaker Pelosi still holds ALL the cards. And unlike Trump’s want to hurt everyone with his bullshit moves, she knows how to hurt him where it matters most. His ego.

Nancy is kinda better at this than a lot of people, myself sometimes included, believe.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:48:00am

re: #226 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

How is Fox spinning this? Suppression of Free Speech?

Whatever they say, given the baked-in public opinion, it will go over like a lead balloon* to practically everyone else.

*Yeah, I know lead balloons DO fly, but I can’t think of any other idiom ATM.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:49:02am

re: #227 Anymouse ??

About that, Wonkette has an article from the crapfest that was Trump’s visit to the Farm Bureau convention.

Interviewing a bunch of soybean farmers, the narrative is WALL and Trump is good for farmers.

The issue is how many farmers interviewed felt that way, and how much film was left on the cutting room floor of farmers saying “He’s ruining us, get that jerk out of there.”

They also have an interview with the one African-American all the networks pass around to weigh in on farms, Mr. John Boyd, Jr. of the National Black Farmers Association. He notes how bad this is for him personally, for others in his association, and for white farmers. He also discusses the structural racism which exists in the USDA from the days of Jim Crow to this day.
wonkette.com

Agh. But yeah that’s kind of what I’m getting at. The thing is people don’t like complex answers. I really think that’s why HRC struggled with some blocs and I don’t mean that as a slight on her but more an observation of the electorate who wants simple answers to complex issues.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:50:59am

re: #207 William Lewis

3. He’s under orders from the boss in Moscow to extend things as long as possible.

I personally don’t think McConnell is being influenced by Moscow. He’s a white supremacist hungry for power and considers it his duty to prevent Democrats from running government. It just so happens that his goals align with Moscow.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:51:07am

re: #229 Sir John Barron

Nancy is kinda better at this than a lot of people, myself sometimes included, believe.

She’s been minority leader a lot longer than she was Speaker. If we get Trump or Mother’s Husband in 2020, I think we could have a good first two years that avoids some of the mistakes made in 09-10. I’m seeing a lot of positives here in VA even though the GOP still controls the legislature, their noose being tighter has forced some of them to move to the left on some issues i.e. medicaid expansion but even LGBT rights.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:52:35am

re: #216 Myron Falwell

It’s not that far-fetched; remember that 10 GOP senators broke ranks yesterday and sided with Sen. Schumer to swat down the treasury’s plan to rescind some of the Russian sanctions.

But AOC is also doing the dirty work and helping the Democratic House push the narrative against Mitch. As they should.

Yep. The entire focus of the Democratic party right now with regards to the shutdown is McConnell’s obstruction. Bring him out into the spotlight.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:53:59am

re: #234 Belafon

Yep. The entire focus of the Democratic party right now with regards to the shutdown is McConnell’s obstruction. Bring him out into the spotlight.

Make McConnell what Republicans have tried to do to us with Pelosi. Make Republicans have to distance themselves from him. Make them have to make statements that they’re not sure they can vote for him as leader. There’s gotta be one Senate Republican that can’t stand the bastard and thinks he could do a better job. Fuel that person’s ego and put McConnell on the defensive.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:56:10am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

I don’t know. It just seems to me that Trump definitely touched on resentment of immigrants. Republican base voters aren’t the only ones who can fall victim to xenophobia. I think you’re right about a lot of this though. Trump gave them easy answers rather than the complex ones HRC was offering and that’s probably why you ese some overlap with Bernie and Trump even though their economics are different.

Of course that was a part of it. I wholeheartedly agree. But not everyone cared about it (but they all *accepted it…are they racist? In my eyes, yes, because you allow it or you don’t.) but everyone cared about their own personal lot in life.

*fixed

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:57:06am

Democrats shouldn’t show up for the SOTU if Trump’s shutdown is still happening. Out of principle, they need to stop acting as if this is a normal presidency when it clearly is not.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:57:30am

And, now that conservatives have lost on every other front with Rep. Ocasio-Cortez, they’re going for the angle of trying to smear her over sex.

It is ever projection with these jerks, always.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:57:50am

re: #234 Belafon

Yep. The entire focus of the Democratic party right now with regards to the shutdown is McConnell’s obstruction. Bring him out into the spotlight.

Even in the event they don’t exactly have the votes — or don’t in an iron-clad, “we got them in writing” sense — just saying that they do is designed to put the screws on Mitch AND “helpless” senators like Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:58:04am

re: #210 Curious Lifeform

LOL not sure I grasp it.

One of the things Republicans like to do when talking about the debt or deficit while a Democrat is president (they don’t do it with Republicans) is make various useless analogies. One is “If we had a dollar bill for every dollar of our deficit, it would stack to the moon and back”. Another is “You would have to spend $(some amount) every day since Jesus was born in order to equal our debt.” It’s totally meaningless, but get’s conservatives all concerned because Jesus and spending on minorities.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:58:07am

re: #236 MsJ

Of course that was a part of it. I wholeheartedly agree. But not everyone cared about it (but they all excepted it…are they racist? In my eyes, yes, because you allow it or you don’t.) but everyone cared about their own personal lot in life.

Oh I didn’t mean to imply everyone did.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 7:59:22am

re: #238 Anymouse ??

And, now that conservatives have lost on every other front with Rep. Ocasio-Cortez, they’re going for the angle of trying to smear her over sex.

It is ever projection with these jerks, always.

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I don’t give a fuck.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:01:56am

re: #238 Anymouse ??

And, now that conservatives have lost on every other front with Rep. Ocasio-Cortez, they’re going for the angle of trying to smear her over sex.

It is ever projection with these jerks, always.

She’s just killing them, she is.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:03:32am

re: #243 Sir John Barron

She’s just killing them, she is.

She lives rent free in their minds. It was so hilarious seeing Baby Ben Shapiro act like he didn’t care about her yet his website had five articles that day dedicated to bashing her. Someone’s jealous because someone is actually an effective instrument of the change they want rather than a creepy troll who goes to college campuses to belittle the student body.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:03:42am

re: #232 Belafon

I personally don’t think McConnell is being influenced by Moscow. He’s a white supremacist hungry for power and considers it his duty to prevent Democrats from running government. It just so happens that his goals align with Moscow.

Mitch has behaved here like he’s always behaved. It’s not any different from the screwing over of Merrick Garland, because Neil Gorsuch was his reward in the waiting.

He has one problem, however, and it’s a biggie. Obstruction is his only move. There are no plan Bs in his arsenal. He’s in a defensive position and has no other leverage against Speaker Pelosi and Sen. Schumer.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:04:15am

re: #238 Anymouse ??

America’s new social media Congressional sweetheart

That’s some bitter stuff.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:04:30am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

I don’t give a fuck.

I wouldn’t either, but it’s the usual bad faith conservative argument designed to spin up both racism and sexism amongst their supporters.

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plansbandc  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:06:09am

re: #68 freetoken

My favorite composer. Fantastic!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:07:16am

re: #247 Anymouse ??

I wouldn’t either, but it’s the usual bad faith conservative argument designed to spin up both racism and sexism amongst their supporters.

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I think you need to pick up my sense of humor better. :) I’m mocking their fake outrage by using a swear. Tehse are the same people who love Trump for “telling it as is.”

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:08:08am

re: #238 Anymouse ??

And, now that conservatives have lost on every other front with Rep. Ocasio-Cortez, they’re going for the angle of trying to smear her over sex.

It is ever projection with these jerks, always.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:09:46am

re: #247 Anymouse ??

I wouldn’t either, but it’s the usual bad faith conservative argument designed to spin up both racism and sexism amongst their supporters.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:10:42am

Whoa, whoa you liberals are too offended and I miss the good old days where a person could tell it as is. AOC uses a phrase they don’t like. HEY SHE’S USING ICKY LANGUAGE!. I really don’t give a fuck. I never gave a fuck that Trump swore. I cared that there was no substance at all to his shit and he was just empty bullshit masquerading as populism. AOC meanwhile has actually lived in the real world unlike many of the right wingers who hate her.

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Danack  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:11:40am

re: #109 MsJ

Why are people not voting LibDem? They seem less insane.

Because the last time they got into power as the minority party in a coalition government they abandoned all of their ideals in order to stay in power, which enabled the Tories to be far more evil than if they’d stuck (even marginally) to their principles.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:15:05am

Why don’t you demand Mexico pay for it.

If Trump’s wall has such stunning support, the GOP should be able to put WALL in a clean bill and pass it, like they didn’t do for the entire two years they controlled Congress over this emergency.

Trump said Mexico would pay for WALL, not you. He lied to you. You like people who lie to you?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:15:19am

re: #221 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What do we need government for, anyways? SOTU is a waste of time and taxpayer money.

Anybody know which President started delivering these messages in person? I know for sure Lincoln’s famous State of the Union “Addresses” were letters.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:16:20am

re: #223 HappyWarrior

I’ll remember this the next time someone tells me that the whole US should be more like Vermont. Vermont has a lot of nasty stuff behind the progressive paradise veneer.

Morning!

So, has the Great Bernard Sanders made any kind of statement about this racist attack against a state rep in the state he is a senator?

I haven’t come across any.

You would think if he really wanted to be president and show his chops he would be all over this making a big deal of it as a political demonstration.

Or…is it as we suspect, he doesn’t care about something like this?

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plansbandc  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:17:18am

re: #135 jeffreyw

Such pretty birdies.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:17:37am

re: #253 Danack

Because the last time they got into power as the minority party in a coalition government they abandoned all of their ideals in order to stay in power, which enabled the Tories to be far more evil than if they’d stuck (even marginally) to their principles.

Didn’t know this. Agh.

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Alephnaught  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:17:38am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

Of course I know that. That’s why I find Piers’ reaction so funny. And yeah it’s funny because they prove time and time again they get pissy over nothing. I won’t say liberal outrage is always right but in my experiences our outrages are at least based in something not silly.

I find Piers’ “boorish lad” act so patently ridiculous. Now matter how many times he tweets about Arsenal Football Club, the idea of Piers Morgan as “manly” is as absurd as it is completely unnecessary.

BTW As a result of this Gillette affair, I’ve come across a rather good long read about the “Crisis in masculinity”. The takeaway is:
a) “Crises of masculinity” have actually been happening regularly when one looks back in history.
b) But not that far back, as before the modern age, societies could sometimes be quite flexible in their treatment of gender.
c) The supposedly “as old as time” model of gender roles actually came in with the Industrial Revolution. (Along with ideas about race.)
d) “Crises of masculinity” never end well, because the “crisis” is a result of people trying and failing to embody a concept which was never real in the first place. (See also “Make America Great Again”.) For the same reason, the results are actually anti-man.
e) Therefore, the best way to resolve any “crises of masculinity” would be to recognise that it’s a concept, it’s relatively young in human history, and that it doesn’t reflect actual lived experience.

Interesting stuff. The writer is Pankaj Mishra, who some of you might know from the fact that he wrote something about Jordan Peterson, and Jordan Peterson did not like it

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:18:09am

re: #255 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

history.house.gov

List of in-person addresses (that became SOTU):

history.house.gov

The first modern SOTU before Congress was by Wilson following an absence that began with John Adams in 1800.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:18:25am

re: #256 ObserverArt

Morning!

So, has the Great Bernard Sanders made any kind of statement about this racist attack against a state rep in the state he is a senator?

I haven’t come across any.

You would think if he really wanted to be president and show his chops he would be all over this making a big deal of it as a political demonstration.

Or…is it as we suspect, he doesn’t care about something like this?

I haven’t OA. It was telling me reading that Vermont civil rights leaders said that they felt invisible to Bernie. That’s not what I want out of a President who is supposed to be a President for all of us.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:18:39am

re: #254 Anymouse ??

I miss the days of yore when right wing Twitter randos had default egg avatars.

Actually, no. No, I don’t.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:20:19am

re: #255 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Anybody know which President started delivering these messages in person? I know for sure Lincoln’s famous State of the Union “Addresses” were letters.

I think Woodrow Wilson.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:20:33am

re: #259 Alephnaught

I find Piers’ “boorish lad” act so patently ridiculous. Now matter how many times he tweets about Arsenal Football Club, the idea of Piers Morgan as “manly” is as absurd as it is completely unnecessary.

BTW As a result of this Gillette affair, I’ve come across a rather good long read about the “Crisis in masculinity”. The takeaway is:
a) “Crises of masculinity” have actually been happening regularly when one looks back in history.
b) But not that far back, as before the modern age, societies could sometimes be quite flexible in their treatment of gender.
c) The supposedly “as old as time” model of gender roles actually came in with the Industrial Revolution. (Along with ideas about race.)
d) “Crises of masculinity” never end well, because the “crisis” is a result of people trying and failing to embody a concept which was never real in the first place. (See also “Make America Great Again”.) For the same reason, the results are actually anti-man.
e) Therefore, the best way to resolve any “crises of masculinity” would be to recognise that it’s a concept, it’s relatively young in human history, and that it doesn’t reflect actual lived experience.

Interesting stuff. The writer is Pankaj Mishra, who some of you might know from the fact that he wrote something about Jordan Peterson, and Jordan Peterson did not like it

He looks and just sounds like my idea of a snobby British upper class wanker to use some of your island’s choice words :). But yeah a lot of this is modern. A lot of the worst aspects of Western society have their roots in that era. Jordan Peterson should be treated like a joke. I hate that guys like him and others are becoming famous simply for being whiny assholes.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:20:44am

re: #232 Belafon

I personally don’t think McConnell is being influenced by Moscow. He’s a white supremacist hungry for power and considers it his duty to prevent Democrats from running government. It just so happens that his goals align with Moscow.

So, you don’t think the 2.5 million or more he received from Russian oligarchs figures in?

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Citizen K  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:20:57am

re: #256 ObserverArt

Morning!

So, has the Great Bernard Sanders made any kind of statement about this racist attack against a state rep in the state he is a senator?

I haven’t come across any.

You would think if he really wanted to be president and show his chops he would be all over this making a big deal of it as a political demonstration.

Or…is it as we suspect, he doesn’t care about something like this?

He made a tweet about it. But past that, the only time he’s mentioned her was a Facebook post months back when she resigned, and not much else from what I know while the whole thing was actually going on during her time in office:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:21:24am

re: #263 Sir John Barron

I think Woodrow Wilson.

history.house.gov

Winner, winner Presidential trivia dinner.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:21:27am

re: #255 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Anybody know which President started delivering these messages in person? I know for sure Lincoln’s famous State of the Union “Addresses” were letters.

Wiki says Woodrow Wilson and that the name “State of the Union” comes from FDR

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:21:37am

(Waldo Magoo voice) “Duhhhh gee, I dunno what’s happened!”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:22:12am

re: #266 Citizen K

He made a tweet about it. But past that, the only time he’s mentioned her was a Facebook post months back when she resigned, and not much else from what I know while the whole thing was actually going on during her time in office:

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A good tweet on the surface but I haven’t seen any leadership from him on racial issues.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:23:31am

re: #250 Myron Falwell

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“EsotericCD”? “CD” stands for “Cross-dresser”….right? I’ve never been a New York bartender but….

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Citizen K  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:23:51am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

A good tweet on the surface but I haven’t seen any leadership from him on racial issues.

Yep. Like I said, he didn’t seem to have too much invested despite his supposed civil rights bonafides and the whole serious matter of a state legislator in his own damn state getting chased out of office by racists.

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Mattand  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:24:37am

re: #227 Anymouse ??

The issue is how many farmers interviewed felt that way, and how much film was left on the cutting room floor of farmers saying “He’s ruining us, get that jerk out of there.”

After the most recent “Farmers love Trump despite the obvious evidence he’s financially destroying them” article, I started to wonder about that as well. Not gonna lie: the Cletus hunt stories reinforce my bias towards Trump supporters being similar to turkeys staring at the rain and drowning themselves.* That said, I’m really beginning to wonder if there’s more Trump hatred in the farmland than the media is letting on.

I also go back to something you said during 2016, in which you claimed the farmers in your area were so deranged about Clinton, they were vowing to let their lands go fallow and somehow starve out the rest of the country. I didn’t buy into it at the time (who’d be crazy enough to endanger their kids’ lives because Trump wasn’t elected); now, I’m not so sure.

*I know that’s an urban legend.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:25:06am

More info on Manafort from yesterday’s news dump - despite the redactions, we still learn more info - namely that Manafort was a foreign agent for at least the period through 2015. That means there’s evidence suggesting he remained a foreign agent beyond that time.

Kanefield digs into this much more. None of this is good for Trumpworld and shows they were compromised and sharing data with the Russians.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:25:18am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

Make McConnell what Republicans have tried to do to us with Pelosi. Make Republicans have to distance themselves from him. Make them have to make statements that they’re not sure they can vote for him as leader. There’s gotta be one Senate Republican that can’t stand the bastard and thinks he could do a better job. Fuel that person’s ego and put McConnell on the defensive.

It all comes down to the voters in Kentucky.

And that seems to be the biggest problem here. McConnell is playing to his voters. They keep him in the Senate.

And with the current mess that is the GOP, I have a feeling there are not a lot of their members that want to be Senate Leader.

I think they are fine with Mitch having to be the one that has to deal with Trump and an increasingly upset American citizenry.

In another week and a few days when another pay period is missed, Mitch may also wish he was Senate Leader.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:26:05am

re: #265 ObserverArt

So, you don’t think the 2.5 million or more he received from Russian oligarchs figures in?

Being financed is one thing that’s very much real. But I don’t think he’s doing this on exact prescribed notes straight from the Kremlin.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:26:23am

re: #272 Citizen K

Yep. Like I said, he didn’t seem to have too much invested despite his supposed civil rights bonafides and the whole serious matter of a state legislator in his own damn state getting chased out of office by racists.

Yeah I mean that tweet should be a start not an end.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:27:31am

re: #260 lawhawk

history.house.gov

List of in-person addresses (that became SOTU):

history.house.gov

The first modern SOTU before Congress was by Wilson following an absence that began with John Adams in 1800.

I wanted to say Wilson, but I was too lazy to try to look it up. Thanks!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:29:05am

re: #278 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I wanted to say Wilson, but I was too lazy to try to look it up. Thanks!

I do wonder if that came about due to him having been a former University President and having to be more accountable directly to people but then again he was very much a product of the Progressive era. I find Wilson fascinating. I read a biography of him in college. I’m not a fan but he interests me still.

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Alephnaught  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:29:36am

re: #253 Danack

Because the last time they got into power as the minority party in a coalition government they abandoned all of their ideals in order to stay in power, which enabled the Tories to be far more evil than if they’d stuck (even marginally) to their principles.

They also did something similar in the Scotland parliament when they went into coalition with a minority Labour government.

In the elections, LibDems campaigned on ending student fees, (Something which since been achieved by the SNP administration.) and gained quite a lot of support on this issue. When the election took place and Labour gained most seats, but fell short of a majority, the LibDem leader was interviewed, and asked if his party would form a coalition with Labour to form a government, and what would that mean for their pledge to end student fees. (Which was not Labour policy.) The leader replied- on live TV- that the fees issue was “non-negotiable”.

An hour later, he negotiated the issue away, and became Deputy First Minister of the first Scottish Government.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:30:40am

re: #271 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“EsotericCD”? “CD” stands for “Cross-dresser”….right? I’ve never been a New York bartender but….

Heck if I know lol. I almost don’t want to know.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:30:46am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:32:17am

re: #280 Alephnaught

They also did something similar in the Scotland parliament when they went into coalition with a minority Labour government.

In the elections, LibDems campaigned on ending student fees, (Something which since been achieved by the SNP administration.) and gained quite a lot of support on this issue. When the election took place and Labour gained most seats, but fell short of a majority, the LibDem leader was interviewed, and asked if his party would form a coalition with Labour to form a government, and what would that mean for their pledge to end student fees. (Which was not Labour policy.) The leader replied- on live TV- that the fees issue was “non-negotiable”.

An hour later, he negotiated the issue away, and became Deputy First Minister of the first Scottish Government.

I gotta say the SNP and probably the SDLP in neighboring Northern Ireland are probably my favorite parties in Britain right now. I like the SNP for having an inclusive nationalism. Nicola Sturgeon has spoken awesomely about immigrants. I’m getting to know a whole bunch of Scottish folks since I’m doing my post graduate work online at Strathclyde for genealogy and your countrymen/women have also been helpful in helping me find info on my family that briefly lived in Glasgow in the 1850’s through early 1870’s.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:32:41am

re: #282 lawhawk

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Teukka  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:32:55am

re: #282 lawhawk

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FUCK.

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Teukka  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:33:50am

Sorry if this has been posted before, but this gave me a good chuckle:

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:34:38am

And keep in mind that no Democratic politician supports Farrakhan. Plus, Farrakhan is not on the left. He is a Trump supporter and very conservative (anti-gay, anti-women’s rights, etc.). No one with Farrakhan’s views could hold office in the Democratic party.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:35:13am

re: #282 lawhawk

We’ve reached the “Supermarket Sweep” portion of this kompromat presidency*. He’s trying to throw everything in the shopping cart before the time’s up.

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Citizen K  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:35:27am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Yeah I mean that tweet should be a start not an end.

The worst part of it all is that no doubt the assholes behind the harassment will see the lack of indictment and prosecution as tacit acceptance and endorsement of their shit, and just amp it up. They, by all accounts, succeeded by leaps and bounds and will see no reason to stop. The moral of the whole thing ends up ‘Racism works, and the law will inoculate you’

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:35:52am

re: #271 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“EsotericCD”? “CD” stands for “Cross-dresser”….right? I’ve never been a New York bartender but….

CD does stand for cross-dresser in kinklandia. Also compact disc, change directory (DOS), certificate of deposit, Civil Defense, and many more things.

Considering it’s projection always, I’m going with cross-dresser.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:37:43am

re: #287 Patricia Kayden

And keep in mind that no Democratic politician supports Farrakhan. Plus, Farrakhan is not on the left. He is a Trump supporter and very conservative (anti-gay, anti-women’s rights, etc.). No one with Farrakhan’s views could hold office in the Democratic party.

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I gotta say I appreciated that the late McCain denounced Robertson/Falwell 19 years ago but he did a big false equivalency by putting Farrakkahan not only on the left but comparing him with Robertson and Falwell who unlike Farrakhan actually held sway with Republican voters. No one in the Democratic Party is seeing him as someone we should get ideas about our values from. And yeah he’s not only not a Democrat, he’s certainly on the right and has in fact praised Trump far more than he has Obama or Clinton or Pelosi or Schumer.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:38:33am

re: #290 Anymouse ??

CD does stand for cross-dresser in kinklandia. Also compact disc, change directory (DOS), certificate of deposit, Civil Defense, and many more things.

Considering it’s projection always, I’m going with cross-dresser.

I’m trying to remember if the guy had past ties to the RWNJ Ace of Spades site (Decision Desk HQ was originally a part of that site, which still astonishes me how much of a clean break they made from them). If so, it’s probably Civil Defense.

But I’d have no problem with cross dresser.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:42:30am

re: #292 Myron Falwell

I’m trying to remember if the guy had past ties to the RWNJ Ace of Spaces site (Decision Desk HQ was originally a part of that site, which still astonishes me how much of a clean break they made from them). If so, it’s probably Civil Defense.

But I’d have no problem with cross dresser.

I never saw the Ace of Spades site. They are still on line I see, and looks about as modern as Fascist Republic.

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:43:46am

re: #269 Myron Falwell

(Waldo Magoo voice) “Duhhhh gee, I dunno what’s happened!”

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Interesting article but my question would be…ok, he won’t be primaried, but what was the turnout in SC GOP/Dem in the midterms and is it possible he will lose in the general in 2020?

I don’t think I really agree with the premise they are making. But, hey, what do I know?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:43:46am

On the Presidential preferences from up above, as one of his constituents, I can safely state that Jay Inslee is thoroughly charisma-free, but a very competent and level-headed administrator. He’s certainly in the left half of the Democratic party—as a foreign-trade wonk, not as all-in on “Eat the Rich!” as, well…me—but yields to no one on social issues, I don’t think.

That said, I feel the same way about him as Harris or Gillibrand. There’s no way in hell any Republican will carry Washington or California or New York. We need somebody who might win us a state we might not otherwise get. If Beto could win Texas, that would be game over—maybe for good. Much more likely would be Sherrod Brown pulling in Ohio. Assuming Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania have learned their lesson, that should do it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:47:10am

re: #295 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

On the Presidential preferences from up above, as one of his constituents, I can safely state that Jay Inslee is thoroughly charisma-free, but a very competent and level-headed administrator. He’s certainly in the left half of the Democratic party—as a foreign-trade wonk, not as all-in on “Eat the Rich!” as, well…me—but yields to no one on social issues, I don’t think.

That said, I feel the same way about him as Harris or Gillibrand. There’s no way in hell any Republican will carry Washington or California or New York. We need somebody who might win us a state we might not otherwise get. If Beto could win Texas, that would be game over—maybe for good. Much more likely would be Sherrod Brown pulling in Ohio. Assuming Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania have learned their lesson, that should do it.

Well we didn’t need Illinois with Obama either. I’d like to see more of Inslee but perhaps he’s someone who is best as a cabinet guy. That said, I think Brown can’t be overlooked. I’m eager to see how Sirota attacks him.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:47:44am

Democrats need to also start making noises about Trump doing something stupid like withdraw from NATO when Cohen testifies, to force the issue to the front and to make him deny it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:48:14am

I really like the idea of pairing a westerner with a Midwesterner or perhaps a Pennsylvanian.

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retired cynic  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:52:14am

Really late to the coffee klatch today, but following up on that thread by Jon B Wolfsthal (worth a follow, if I was on twitter!), this showed up:

Mr.Charles Chewerton @TwitOrTweet2
Replying to @JBWolfsthal @MalcolmNance
I honestly do not know how Bolton sleeps at night.

???? Jon B. “Globalist” Wolfsthal @JBWolfsthal
14h14 hours ago
Upside down?

Mr.Charles Chewerton @TwitOrTweet2
13h13 hours ago
That one earned a follow!

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freetoken  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:54:45am
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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:54:57am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

I really like the idea of pairing a westerner with a Midwesterner or perhaps a Pennsylvanian.

Former Governor Hickenlooper in Colorado was a pretty good administrator from what I could see north of him. I don’t know much about Gov. Tom Wolf of Pennsylvania.

I also really like Sen. Tammy Duckworth, but she doesn’t seem interested right now. As a senator, she’s pretty good to have on our side on defence and veterans’ issues.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:55:16am

re: #238 Anymouse ??

And, now that conservatives have lost on every other front with Rep. Ocasio-Cortez, they’re going for the angle of trying to smear her over sex.

It is ever projection with these jerks, always.

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Has Brian J clutched his pearls yet?

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:56:47am

re: #300 freetoken

Yup. A President speaks to the assembled House if the Speaker of the House allows it.

I can imagine Mitch McConnell breaking tradition and inviting him to speak in the Senate, however.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:57:18am

re: #300 freetoken

Just read that Pelosi has requested OUR President postpone his State Of The Union Address. Donald Trump should ignore her request and fill that balcony with the families whose loved ones have been killed at the hands of illegal aliens.

I was asking earlier what sort of spin Fox News was going to put on news of Nancy postponing Donald’s SOTU. This guy just nailed it for them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:58:08am

re: #303 Anymouse ??

Yup. A President speaks to the assembled House if the Speaker of the House allows it.

I can imagine Mitch McConnell breaking tradition and inviting him to speak in the Senate, however.

and filling the seats with families of crimes committed by illegals…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:58:35am

re: #300 freetoken

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Well Pelosi could do the same with victims of gun violence but that would violate the fire code. And Trump is a phony on illegal immigration.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 8:59:44am

re: #302 Mike Lamb

Has Brian J clutched his pearls yet?

He’s been quiet on her lately but we’ll see him again the next election or the next time she tells off some old crone.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:00:04am

re: #300 freetoken

I was wondering if someone was going to miss the fact that the president have free run of Congress, that he’s an an equal footing and must be invited.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:00:17am

re: #276 Myron Falwell

Being financed is one thing that’s very much real. But I don’t think he’s doing this on exact prescribed notes straight from the Kremlin.

He doesn’t have to be. All he needs to do is what he is doing and that is support their real worker bee Trump.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:00:48am

re: #303 Anymouse ??

Yup. A President speaks to the assembled House if the Speaker of the House allows it.

I can imagine Mitch McConnell breaking tradition and inviting him to speak in the Senate, however.

lol if Mitch does that, every elected Democrat not named Joe Manchin should refuse to show up and host an address to the nation of their own at the same time led by Pelosi and Schumer.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:03:11am

LOL from Wonkette’s morning agenda:

According to a new survey by City Lab, Chicago has has one of the best public transit systems in the country. Not only is the CTA fairly reliable, it has a cleanliness rating of, “meh, could be worse,” something called, “bus justice,” and (most importantly) there are taco stands at (almost) every “L” station. That’s right, y’all, TACO TRUCKS ON EVERY CORNER!

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:04:58am

Ayup. Trump’s pushing straight KKK white nationalist/supremacist claptrap. He’s been doing this all along with his immigration policies to the cheers of the GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:06:25am

re: #312 lawhawk

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Ayup. Trump’s pushing straight KKK white nationalist/supremacist claptrap. He’s been doing this all along with his immigration policies to the cheers of the GOP.

But but he was a Democrat so checkmate libtard but yep. Scary as shit.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:08:13am

re: #282 lawhawk

The Jerusalem Post ?
@Jerusalem_Post
BREAKING U.S. set to start withdraw from nuclear treaty with Russia dlvr.it

11:29 AM - Jan 16, 2019

Uh oh. Well, now we know how compromised the Republican US Senators really are.

We are watching you Lindsey. If you go along with this then you are most definitely not the same Lindsey Graham prior to Trump.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:10:32am

re: #314 ObserverArt

Uh oh. Well, now we know how compromised the Republican US Senators really are.

We are watching you Lindsey. If you go along with this then you are most definitely not the same Lindsey Graham prior to Trump.

Private golf outings can suddenly change a man, you know.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:15:18am

re: #273 Mattand

After the most recent “Farmers love Trump despite the obvious evidence he’s financially destroying them” article, I started to wonder about that as well. Not gonna lie: the Cletus hunt stories reinforce my bias towards Trump supporters being similar to turkeys staring at the rain and drowning themselves.* That said, I’m really beginning to wonder if there’s more Trump hatred in the farmland than the media is letting on.

I also go back to something you said during 2016, in which you claimed the farmers in your area were so deranged about Clinton, they were vowing to let their lands go fallow and somehow starve out the rest of the country. I didn’t buy into it at the time (who’d be crazy enough to endanger their kids’ lives because Trump wasn’t elected); now, I’m not so sure.

*I know that’s an urban legend.

The question is, how many of his hard-core supporters are really impossible to move — and there’s no good way to find out. (Certainly not what they say while surrounded by their rural, DT-supporting neighbors. Nor are they likely to describe their change of heart to the journalists they perceive as the enemy.) My guess is that it’s in the 15-20% range — that’s the number of hard-core evangelicals in the country.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:17:32am

re: #300 freetoken

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Oh look, you found a Constitution Conservative that knows nothing about the U.S. Constitution.

Well, he probably knows a limited bit about the 2nd Amendment and probably has a twisted idea of the 1st. Because they all do.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:18:52am

re: #300 freetoken

THE PRESIDENT IS REQUIRED AND CONSTITUITONALLY ALLOWED BY CONSTITUTION TO SPEAK TO CONGRESS PELOSI CANT BLOCK!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:19:25am

re: #316 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

The question is, how many of his hard-core supporters are really impossible to move — and there’s no good way to find out. (Certainly not what they say while surrounded by their rural, DT-supporting neighbors. Nor are they likely to describe their change of heart to the journalists they perceive as the enemy.) My guess is that it’s in the 15-20% range — that’s the number of hard-core evangelicals in the country.

I gotta say that I never thought rural America would be so enthused by Donald Trump. I thought he was too “urban” for the rural GOP rank and file and his more in your face sexism versus the more subtle sexism of the past wouldn’t endear him.

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makeitstop  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:19:48am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Makeitstop if you’re here, our pal Frank Turner I think had it right in 1933:
Be suspicious of simple answers
That shit’s for fascists and maybe teenagers
You can’t fix the world if all you have is a hammer

I think that although Frank definitely was writing about Trump and the rise of nativism through Brexit in his native UK, you could apply to anyone like Bernie or the Libertarians who just think if you get rid of this, all is good.

He seems to have historical backup for all the material on Be More Kind. Frank certainly writes from a very informed perspective.

Oh, and greetz from somewhat less—than-sunny California. It resumed raining pretty much as soon as the wheels hit the runway yesterday and rained for most of the afternoon and evening.

It looks a little more friendly today, but still not exactly what I was expecting. And on top of that, a friend texted me to tell me that they seem to have revised the weekend forecast and we’ll be getting slammed with a winter storm on the day I’m supposed to get back to NY.

I really picked the perfect week to travel, didn’t I?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:19:53am

re: #314 ObserverArt

Uh oh. Well, now we know how compromised the Republican US Senators really are.

We are watching you Lindsey. If you go along with this then you are most definitely not the same Lindsey Graham prior to Trump.

Something tells me that we’re going to find out pretty darn quickly about Lindsey. It’s just a gut feeling but it’s based on the obvious.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:20:07am

re: #317 ObserverArt

Oh look, you found a Constitution Conservative that knows nothing about the U.S. Constitution.

Well, he probably knows a limited bit about the 2nd Amendment and probably has a twisted idea of the 1st. Because they all do.

THE CONSTITUTION ONLY HAS 2ND AMENDMENT AND 1ST AMENDMENT WHICH SAYS ONLY MY VERSION OF CHRISTIANITY IS NATIONAL RELIGION

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Anymouse ??  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:20:08am

re: #316 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

The question is, how many of his hard-core supporters are really impossible to move — and there’s no good way to find out. (Certainly not what they say while surrounded by their rural, DT-supporting neighbors. Nor are they likely to describe their change of heart to the journalists they perceive as the enemy.) My guess is that it’s in the 15-20% range — that’s the number of hard-core evangelicals in the country.

Or the 27% crazification factor that would pull the lever for R-Beelzebub.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:21:00am

re: #301 Anymouse ??

Former Governor Hickenlooper in Colorado was a pretty good administrator from what I could see north of him. I don’t know much about Gov. Tom Wolf of Pennsylvania.

I also really like Sen. Tammy Duckworth, but she doesn’t seem interested right now. As a senator, she’s pretty good to have on our side on defence and veterans’ issues.

There is still that rumor about a Kasich & Hickenlooper independent ticket. They are supposedly friends and admirers of each other.

So, that is either a negative for Hickenlooper or a positive for Kasich.

And since I don’t know of many positives about Kasich I’m wondering what the hell Hickenlooper.

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Teukka  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:21:35am

re: #323 Anymouse ??

Or the 27% crazification factor that would pull the lever for R-Beelzebub.

Or R-Mageddon… :(

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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:22:19am

re: #282 lawhawk

So what does this mean? Nuke building free for all?

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:22:35am

re: #303 Anymouse ??

Yup. A President speaks to the assembled House if the Speaker of the House allows it.

I can imagine Mitch McConnell breaking tradition and inviting him to speak in the Senate, however.

I can too. Mitch has just about broken everything else.

And a chance to show up Pelosi might be too hard to pass up.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:23:06am

re: #320 makeitstop

He seems to have historical backup for all the material on Be More Kind. Frank certainly writes from a very informed perspective.

Oh, and greetz from somewhat less—than-sunny California. It resumed raining pretty much as soon as the wheels hit the runway yesterday and rained for most of the afternoon and evening.

It looks a little more friendly today, but still not exactly what I was expecting. And on top of that, a friend texted me to tell me that they seem to have revised the weekend forecast and we’ll be getting slammed with a winter storm on the day I’m supposed to get back to NY.

I really picked the perfect week to travel, didn’t I?

I believe he like myself studied history in college.

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Teukka  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:23:47am

re: #326 Sir John Barron

So what does this mean? Nuke building free for all?

An unsafer world. Time to brush off the civil defense training I got in school.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:23:58am

re: #317 ObserverArt

Oh look, you found a Constitution Conservative that knows nothing about the U.S. Constitution.

Well, he probably knows a limited bit about the 2nd Amendment and probably has a twisted idea of the 1st. Because they all do.

onion classic

Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be

“Right there in the preamble, the authors make their priorities clear: ‘one nation under God,’” said Mortensen, attributing to the Constitution a line from the Pledge of Allegiance, which itself did not include any reference to a deity until 1954. “Well, there’s a reason they put that right at the top.”

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retired cynic  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:25:33am

I want to thank BWS for identifying JeffreyW’s bird as a Carolina wren, because I looked out my office window just now, and right into the eyes of one. And because of you, I knew what I was seeing!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:26:42am

re: #326 Sir John Barron

So what does this mean? Nuke building free for all?

It’s part of a total undermining of our position against Russia. The threat of it is more damaging psychologically to our actual allies — and other countries that depend on us as a defense — than actually following through on it.

If I’m not mistaken, it would have to be taken up by the senate, just like leaving NATO.

AND I expect Lindsey to lead the charge for both.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:27:37am

re: #331 retired cynic

I want to thank BWS for identifying JeffreyW’s bird as a Carolina wren, because I looked out my office window just now, and right into the eyes of one. And because of you, I knew what I was seeing!

so disappointed it was not a yellow-bellied sapsucker

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:28:23am

re: #324 ObserverArt

There is still that rumor about a Kasich & Hickenlooper independent ticket. They are supposedly friends and admirers of each other.

So, that is either a negative for Hickenlooper or a positive for Kasich.

And since I don’t know of many positives about Kasich I’m wondering what the hell Hickenlooper.

I wonder if it’s just talk. Seems like every so often, there’s talk of a fusion ticket with two people usually white guys who are seen as moderates.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:29:15am

re: #315 Anymouse ??

Private golf outings can suddenly change a man, you know.

Must have been some great videos and emails on Trump’s phone he showed Lindsey.

Watch out for the 19th hole…

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:29:32am

re: #326 Sir John Barron

So what does this mean? Nuke building free for all?

I’m considering this kayfabe. It’s a ruse to try and claim that there’s a conflict and that Trump is showing he’s standing up to Russia, when this is all scripted.

The reality is that this will be resolved without too much trouble as Russia would need to confirm that they aren’t in violation (which is what Trump is claiming).

If we withdraw, it’d mean that US and Russia could move to reposition intermediate range nukes. Thing is that both sides are mothballing missiles and warheads due to the cost, and moving them back into the ready state would be costly. Any of those moves would cost Russia far more - since they’ve got a far more fragile economy and lack resources.

That’s one of the reasons they’ve gone the misinformation route to win what they couldn’t on the battlefields (get Trump elected, undermine NATO, EU, US strategic partnerships, etc.).

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:31:42am

lol, this White House is fucking desperate

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:31:49am

re: #323 Anymouse ??

Or the 27% crazification factor that would pull the lever for R-Beelzebub.

Where did the number come from?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:32:29am

STFU and take a seat, Mitch

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:32:54am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

STFU and take a seat, Mitch

[Embedded content]

Please fuck off Mitch.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:33:49am

re: #326 Sir John Barron

So what does this mean? Nuke building free for all?

Probably that and nothing good for Europe.

Add in Trump hates the EU and wants out of NATO.

We got problems.

Someone should mention to Donny walls don’t stop nukes.

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plansbandc  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:34:47am

Heh!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:35:29am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

STFU and take a seat, Mitch

I see he isn’t asking or suggesting that Dems compromise or by extension that the GOP is offering to compromise…only that Dems just accept whatever Donnie wants or the hostages will starve.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:37:28am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mitch is clearly responding to this:

Looks like AOC isn’t blowing smoke at all.

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William Lewis  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:38:01am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

I really like the idea of pairing a westerner with a Midwesterner or perhaps a Pennsylvanian.

Beto/Baldwin FTW!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:38:01am

re: #343 Sir John Barron

I see he isn’t asking or suggesting that Dems compromise or by extension that the GOP is offering to compromise…only that Dems just accept whatever Donnie wants.

fascinating that “obstructing President Trump at all costs” is a problem but it was ok when he did it to President Obama..

Two words, Mitch: Merrick Garland

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:38:51am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

I wonder if it’s just talk. Seems like every so often, there’s talk of a fusion ticket with two people usually white guys who are seen as moderates.

It’s been going around for a bit. It has been more than just talk.

Check out this Google search result page(s)…

Google - John Kasich and John Hickenlooper Independent run for president in 2020

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Jay C  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:39:11am

re: #338 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Where did the number come from?

I think that was the percentage known (R) loony Alan Keyes got running against Barack Obama in his 2004(?) IL-Sen race.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:39:25am

Is any Democrat on record as being in favor of the wall? Manchin maybe?

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:40:07am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:40:32am

re: #344 Myron Falwell

… and I’m starting to think we’re coming closer to the dam bursting bigly. Even a veto-proof three-week CR would be a horrendous defeat for Mitch. He has nothing left but this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:41:19am

funny how a simple “no” is not an adequate reply

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:42:03am

re: #349 Eclectic Cyborg

Is any Democrat on record as being in favor of the wall? Manchin maybe?

Maybe, but Manchin just got re-elected so there isn’t direct pressure on him for the next 4-5 years, so who knows.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:43:10am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

funny how a simple “no” is not an adequate reply

“Have you seen American movies?”

It’s actually easy for it to happen when one party refuses to hold their members accountable.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:43:21am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:43:49am

re: #345 William Lewis

Beto/Baldwin FTW!

I’d dig that. And we would not lose Tammy in the Senate since you jettisoned Governor Wanker.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:45:18am

re: #348 Jay C

I think that was the percentage known (R) loony Alan Keyes got running against Barack Obama in his 2004(?) IL-Sen race.

That’s coincidental. I think it came from a lot of us consistently seeing that percentage support whacked out shit in the Obama years.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:45:43am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because answering yes would result in what exactly?

No change from the GOP. They’d continue acting as though it didn’t matter. It doesn’t matter that Trump is working for or with or thinks that the Russians are working for him. All those scenarios share a commonality - conspiracy against the US under 18 USC 371.

The GOP refuses to address it, and when they do, it’s by deflecting/projecting or bringing in someone to the DOJ in the hopes of burying it altogether (Barr).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:46:18am

just gonna leave this here:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:46:22am

re: #353 Myron Falwell

Maybe, but Manchin just got re-elected so there isn’t direct pressure on him for the next 4-5 years, so who knows.

He should just go more left. He’s going to be targeted even if he remains the GOP’s favorite Dem.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:46:57am

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

just gonna leave this here:

[Embedded content]

I had no idea about that until Family Guy brought that up.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:47:58am

You can see why Jared and Ivanka were perfect for each other tho.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:48:36am

re: #347 ObserverArt

It’s been going around for a bit. It has been more than just talk.

Check out this Google search result page(s)…

Google - John Kasich and John Hickenlooper Independent run for president in 2020

Thanks.

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lawhawk  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:49:17am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:49:38am

re: #360 HappyWarrior

He should just go more left. He’s going to be targeted even if he remains the GOP’s favorite Dem.

Speaking of…

They’re cracking.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:51:12am

re: #348 Jay C

I think that was the percentage known (R) loony Alan Keyes got running against Barack Obama in his 2004(?) IL-Sen race.

When the Daily Show referenced it, it was from that race. Then it just keeps showing up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:51:50am

pearls clutched…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:52:56am

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

THUNE (cont.): “That seems like pretty far-fetched, I don’t think that’s going to go over well with the American people”

What percentage of Americans care about the SOTU outside of the hard-core 27%?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:54:46am

re: #368 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What percentage of Americans care about the SOTU outside of the hard-core 27%?

That’s the GOP base and the people who’d attend a Trump rally.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:54:48am

re: #365 Myron Falwell

Speaking of…

They’re cracking.

Manchin’s calling for Trump to do it?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:55:56am

re: #369 Myron Falwell

That’s the GOP base and the people who’d attend a Trump rally.

Because they all know that is all the SOTU will be this time around, that and a pitch for The Wall.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 16, 2019 • 9:56:04am

He was unable to do his job for some undisclosed reason, and was re-elected with 100% of the vote (primaried by 2 other Rep., took 43%)

WASHINGTON - Rep. Walter Jones, who has not been able to vote in Congress since September due to an undisclosed illness, suffered a broken hip after a fall at his home in Farmville on Monday.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:00:53am

re: #370 Belafon

Manchin’s calling for Trump to do it?

Apparently him and Lindsey. Probably for some “bipartisan” stand blah blah blah.

But here’s the thing, I don’t think Trump actually wants to do the emergency declaration. He wants the Democratic House to cave and is so dead-set on that happening.

But the longer Trump doesn’t do it, the weaker the Senate GOP’s position becomes. And it’s no accident that Lindsey made this plea as the rumors swirl of GOP senators ready to break ranks with Mitch.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:04:30am

re: #371 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because they all know that is all the SOTU will be this time around, that and a pitch for The Wall.

Exactly.

Pelosi called his bluff and disinvited him, which is — at this moment — one of the most direct, and personal rebukes that Trump has ever received, possibly in his lifetime. A narcissist like him losing a primetime slot to say whatever he wants for 90 minutes, that’s gonna leave a mark. And I don’t think he was expecting it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:05:40am

re: #374 Myron Falwell

Exactly.

Pelosi called his bluff and disinvited him, which is — at this moment — one of the most direct, and personal rebukes that Trump has ever received, possibly in his lifetime. A narcissist like him losing a primetime slot to say whatever he wants for 90 minutes, that’s gonna leave a mark. And I don’t think he was expecting it.

really, he probably already spent 20 minutes planning what to say in that speech…

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:06:11am

re: #344 Myron Falwell

Mitch is clearly responding to this:

[Embedded content]

Looks like AOC isn’t blowing smoke at all.

Really, what you have here are the Senate GOP trying to get a mulligan on this whole mess. Right now, they can’t really claim that they didn’t want this shutdown because of Trump’s declaration that he’d take the blame and be happy to shutdown the gov’t if the Dems wouldn’t pay his demands to release the hostages. They want to reopen just long enough to make a token effort at getting that funding through “regular order,” so as to then go back into another shutdown saying “THEY DELIBERATELY STARTED THIS SHUTDOWN TO SPITE US!”

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:06:36am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

STFU and take a seat, Mitch

[Embedded content]

Just fired off a heated contact email to Leader Mitch.

What a bold asshole to claim Democrats are obstructing Trump knowing his history with Obama.

I hope the people of Kentucky come to their senses and make sure this asshole is gone after this term.

yeah, I know, chances are slim. But I am always hopeful.

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:08:51am

If you’re trying to figure out what the GOP is doing, think back to how we ended up with the sequester all those years ago, when the GOP agreed to negotiations for a final budget deal…only to totally enter into it in bad faith, deliberately sabotage it at every turn, and then absolutely reject the final proposal because it involved taxes after they’d just got done threatening a debt default unless the WH agreed to nothing but budget cuts.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:09:05am

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

really, he probably already spent 20 minutes planning what to say in that speech…

It’s 90 minutes of ranting about a wall, he wouldn’t have needed 20 minutes. Maybe just 5 minutes for a few words kinda strung into first-grade sentences that he can wing the whole way through.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:16:18am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:16:32am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:16:58am

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

just gonna leave this here:

[Embedded content]

This is some sick shit and if Jared claims that it’s “normal” the entire Kushner family is a bunch of sick motherfuckers.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:18:24am

re: #378 Targetpractice

If you’re trying to figure out what the GOP is doing, think back to how we ended up with the sequester all those years ago, when the GOP agreed to negotiations for a final budget deal…only to totally enter into it in bad faith, deliberately sabotage it at every turn, and then absolutely reject the final proposal because it involved taxes after they’d just got done threatening a debt default unless the WH agreed to nothing but budget cuts.

That makes sense and would seem to be the endgame here. A lot of bad faith and Mitch says even more inflammatory rhetoric that no one will buy in an attempt not to have it be seen as a humiliating defeat for him (it will be).

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:19:14am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:22:23am

Trump will take his SOTU address out to the Trumporrhoid rubes by holding a rally in someplace like Yahupetz, Idaho.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:23:36am

re: #380 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

This shit is really lame.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:26:26am

I’m getting tired of seeing AOC compared with Trump. She for one sought a more modest position as her first elected job, I’ve seen her acknowledge mistakes, and I’ve seen her show a humility that Trump lacks. Make no mistake a lot of the right people are threatened by her because she’s willing to put herself out there and call attention to a lot of elephants in the room that Never Trump conservatives are okay with or indifferent to.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:26:28am

re: #384 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Won’t they have to use bullet points and crayons?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:26:49am

re: #380 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

After 242 years it has finally happened. Somebody has actually managed to under-estimate the intelligence of the American electorate.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:27:11am

re: #364 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

It looks like he’s offering a blow job. Maybe the interpreters notes were a little too detailed?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:28:17am

re: #387 HappyWarrior

The only comparison that should be made — the only one — is how AOC is the exact opposite of Trump in every way, shape and form possible.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:29:11am

Run Train

To do work on multiple people in a game or anything that has competition.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:30:26am

re: #391 Myron Falwell

The only comparison that should be made — the only one — is how AOC is the exact opposite of Trump in every way, shape and form possible.

If there’s someone like Trump on the left, frankly it’s Bernie.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:31:50am

re: #385 The Vicious Babushka

Trump will take his SOTU address out to the Trumporrhoid rubes by holding a rally in someplace like Yahupetz, Idaho.

At the Wendy’s drive through.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:32:38am

this is not a unified front we’re dealing with

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:35:12am

re: #382 The Vicious Babushka

This is some sick shit and if Jared claims that it’s “normal” the entire Kushner family is a bunch of sick motherfuckers.

Oh I think it is already confirmed the Kushner family is a bunch of sick motherfukers.

What more would be needed to ice it? To me nothing. They already have proven they will fuck over each other.

But it is also an indication that it will be wild times if the shit hits the fan and Trump world comes tumbling down. Between Trump and Kushner and all the other scum in the White House they will all turn on each other to try to save their own butts.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 16, 2019 • 10:48:05am

re: #384 Charles Johnson

…when someone read this to him.

Well played sir, well played.


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