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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

You’re Dethpicable — NSFW; The esteemed Jody Hamilton from the Stephanie Miller Show is here; Giuliani says there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia; Rudy backpedals; 42 Republicans side with Russia; Why didn’t Bernie vote; Cohen says Trump ordered him to rig online polls; Cohen will call Trump a mad man; The economic damage of the shutdown; Trump cancels Pelosi’s trip to Afghanistan in major security breach; The State of the Union; Trump’s tanking in the polls; The Atlantic calls for impeachment; Chuck Schumer and Kilimnik; and so much more.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 17, 2019 • 2:53:18pm

Having computer problems (W, E, R keys work only occasionally) so that is why I am not posting much.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 17, 2019 • 2:54:07pm

From downstairs…

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gocart mozart  Jan 17, 2019 • 2:55:06pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2019 • 2:56:20pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 17, 2019 • 2:56:53pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 17, 2019 • 2:57:04pm

re: #2 Scottish Dragon

It’s the new normal for Republicans: keep the federal government shut down at all times the Democrats aren’t unconditionally surrendering (unless Republicans control both houses of Congress and the presidency).

The exception is necessary because a GOP shutdown with full GOP control of government is beyond the ability of media both-siderists to blame on the Democrats.

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KGxvi  Jan 17, 2019 • 2:57:52pm

re: #5 Scottish Dragon

Drama Queen announces she’s going to do more dramatic things. Film at… you know what? fuck it, we’re over this bullshit.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 17, 2019 • 2:59:15pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:01:03pm

re: #1 Scottish Dragon

Having computer problems (W, E, R keys work only occasionally) so that is why I am not posting much.

Have you checked with the deep state?

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Targetpractice  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:01:04pm

re: #5 Scottish Dragon

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Oh good, I was worried that she wasn’t playing to script by doing the usual “Will she or won’t she?” BS just before Barr meets with her, after which her “concerns” disappear and she becomes a solid “Yes” for affirmation.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:05:02pm

re: #5 Scottish Dragon

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Susan, the suspense is killing me! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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gocart mozart  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:10:07pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:10:20pm

re: #1 Scottish Dragon

Having computer problems (W, E, R keys work only occasionally) so that is why I am not posting much.

So, you’re not going to tell us, “Where we were when we were rewriting ‘Werewolves’”

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jaunte  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:11:18pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:12:03pm

re: #8 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

CLed the last thread.

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แอดไลน์รับเครดิตฟรี 50 www.iskcon-network.com

As an aside, I’d observe that Guinea Pigs are the cutest, sweetest, cuddliest rodents in the whole Oder Rodentia.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:13:54pm

From downstairs:

re: #255 Scottish Dragon

“People are talking about the shutdown in terms of poll numbers, Trump’s base, Democrats’ potential compromises. All of that is irrelevant. No one has leverage. Trump doesn’t care about his voters. The shutdown is not a means to an end. It is the end.”

Sarah’s missing one thing. To beat a narcissist, you have to take it to them where it hurts them the most. And Pelosi did. Trump doesn’t care about hundreds of thousands of workers, but he sure as hell cared about losing his SOTU, so much so he pulled a petty move that is backfiring to everyone not named Chris Cilizza.

You have an impetuous man-baby and a house speaker who has known said man-baby for years and years, and it’s not hard to see who has all the leverage.

The only thing Trump can do now are things that are going to blow up in his face. He’s refusing to leave because he’s already in the proverbial bunker. He’s losing the respect of everyone around him but a fraction of true believers, and that won’t win him a damn thing.

But make no mistake… when he caves, or is forced to cave, it will be the end. And it’s apparent he’s going to be forced down somehow.

He’s NOT winning, he’s lost, and he is dead set on losing in the worst way possible.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:14:18pm

re: #9 Barefoot Grin

Have you checked with the deep state?

You can’t spll “Dp Stat” ithout an .

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:17:48pm

re: #253 piratedan

anyone else getting the idea that Ms. Pelosi has had her security briefing regarding what is going on with the Mueller investigation and has decided to stop allowing the bucks to be passed?

Kind of getting the vibe that its especially personal now, in that she is putting her foot down and indicating that this shit stops now and that DJT will get nothing from now on unless there’s a decided benefit to the American public?

I certainly agree. And don’t think she is going to let this stunt by Trump go unchallenged.

He’s daring her to go into an all-out war with him. And I like her odds.

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VegasGolfer  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:17:55pm

re: #14 jaunte

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“Patenaude, who began her career at HUD as a 21-year-old intern during the Reagan administration, has spent more than two decades in housing policy and economic development, serving as President George W. Bush’s assistant secretary for community planning and development at HUD.
“I’m going to continue to be supportive of the president and his agenda,” she said. “I’m going to be working very hard for his reelection.”

She can fuck right off.

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jaunte  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:18:34pm

re: #19 VegasGolfer

And she has.

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TedStriker  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:19:46pm

re: #5 Scottish Dragon

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:19:50pm

oooooh

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jaunte  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:23:02pm
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bd(it's all true)  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:24:17pm

re: #23 jaunte

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Stepping on his dick while shooting himself in the foot.

Quite a feat.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:24:25pm

re: #23 jaunte

“They can fly commercial”.

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steve_davis  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:24:45pm

re: #15 Blind Frog Belly White

As an aside, I’d observe that Guinea Pigs are the cutest, sweetest, cuddliest rodents in the whole Oder Rodentia.

they are rather cute. and they sound like tribbles when they are held and content.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:25:55pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:26:57pm

re: #23 jaunte

lol he really blew it today

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:27:12pm

Jabbing Trump and then ignoring his petty comebacks will hurt him more than an outright war of words.

For every one Pelosi or Schumer jab Trump will go overboard by a factor of ten.

He has to get feedback that his comebacks sting. They don’t, so no need to give him any.

Being ignored just drives him over the edge.

Trump can be counted on to lose his shit. It doesn’t take much.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:28:36pm

re: #5 Scottish Dragon

I can’t wait until 2021 when Maine has at least one senator that’s not a goddam embarrassment

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VegasGolfer  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:29:21pm

re: #20 jaunte

And she has.

Left her job, but still will support trump who is the reason she supposedly quit.

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jaunte  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:30:44pm

re: #31 VegasGolfer

Yeah, I don’t regard her as a hero. Another Republican who isn’t seeing reality even when they’re enmeshed in it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:31:44pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

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He’s such an asshole of the worst kind. Incompetent and cruel.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:34:49pm

Amazingly, we still have two years of Trump left to put up with.

This isn’t even close to being over.

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KGxvi  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:35:48pm

re: #24 bd(it’s all true)

Stepping on his dick while shooting himself in the foot.

Quite a feat.

C’mon, even though we don’t want to know, we all know, it’s just not long enough for him to step on.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:36:16pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

Amazingly, we still have two years of Trump left to put up with.

This isn’t even close to being over.

I’m popping the champagne the day he’s gone.

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EPR-radar  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:36:25pm

re: #19 VegasGolfer

“Patenaude, who began her career at HUD as a 21-year-old intern during the Reagan administration, has spent more than two decades in housing policy and economic development, serving as President George W. Bush’s assistant secretary for community planning and development at HUD.
“I’m going to continue to be supportive of the president and his agenda,” she said. “I’m going to be working very hard for his reelection.”

She can fuck right off.

So she’s just another motherfucking Republican. As always, Trump is just a symptom. The real problem is the cancer that the Republican party has become.

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teleskiguy  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:37:18pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:37:55pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

Amazingly, we still have two years of Trump left to put up with.

This isn’t even close to being over.

The country can’t survive that. Minimally, we need Trump impeached and removed from office before 2020 in order to have any belief that checks and balances work.

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KGxvi  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:40:44pm

re: #39 EPR-radar

The country can’t survive that. Minimally, we need Trump impeached and removed from office before 2020 in order to have any belief that checks and balances work.

The committee assignments have barely been made. The House is going to conduct real oversight, and that is where a lot of the checks and balances come from.

Impeachment is, and always has been, a last resort. That’s why it’s only been invoked twice, and truly threatened one other time.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:41:12pm

re: #37 EPR-radar

So she’s just another motherfucking Republican. As always, Trump is just a symptom. The real problem is the cancer that the Republican party has become.

Yeah this is no hero.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:42:07pm

re: #25 GlutenFreeJesus

“They can fly commercial”.

“Enjoy the ride”

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teleskiguy  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:42:23pm

Yeah, the Alps are buried in several meters of snow. This is from Austria.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:42:37pm

re: #2 Scottish Dragon

From downstairs…

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The only thing I disagree on is that this would not require that crappy response to not getting to do the SOTU.

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EPR-radar  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:42:46pm

re: #38 teleskiguy

The GOP’s impeachment of Bill Clinton was in the long term a win-win for them. If it succeeded, they would get rid of Clinton, who they hated.

If it failed, it would cement the idea of impeachment being only a partisan witch hunt into what passes for the minds of US political pundits. Naturally a total erasure of which party was responsible for the impeachment being a partisan witch hunt was part of the deal, but media both-siderists could be counted on for this service to the Party.

The other thing that was erased, of course, was Nixon having to resign in the face of a real threat to be impeached and removed from office. Since any GOP president will naturally contemplate greater levels of criminality than Nixon, making impeachment a generally impossible political process can only benefit the GOP.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:46:14pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

I’m popping the champagne the day he’s gone.

I started drinking about Trump some time ago.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:48:03pm
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TedStriker  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:48:47pm

re: #46 bd(it’s all true)

I started drinking about Trump some time ago.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:48:51pm

re: #46 bd(it’s all true)

I started drinking about Trump some time ago.

I was drunk the night he won. Work the next day wasn’t fun but at least the attorney I worked for hated Trump as much as we do.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:50:04pm

re: #48 TedStriker

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I love that gif

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teleskiguy  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:51:40pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:53:39pm

re: #5 Scottish Dragon

Susan Collins tells @tedbarrettcnn she’s still undecided on the Bill Barr nomination for attorney general

susan collins is an unlikeable lucy van pelt

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KGxvi  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:53:49pm

re: #45 EPR-radar

The GOP’s impeachment of Bill Clinton was in the long term a win-win for them. If it succeeded, they would get rid of Clinton, who they hated.

If it failed, it would cement the idea of impeachment being only a partisan witch hunt into what passes for the minds of US political pundits. Naturally a total erasure of which party was responsible for the impeachment being a partisan witch hunt was part of the deal, but media both-siderists could be counted on for this service to the Party.

The other thing that was erased, of course, was Nixon having to resign in the face of a real threat to be impeached and removed from office. Since any GOP president will naturally contemplate greater levels of criminality than Nixon, making impeachment a generally impossible political process can only benefit the GOP.

I’m going to take an unpopular position around here, but I don’t think Clinton’s impeachment was unwarranted.

He lied under oath in a deposition, which is a perversion/obstruction of justice, and accordingly, a violation of his oath of office to see the law is faithfully executed. I don’t care that it was “about an affair” - in fact, the nature of that affair, that he was having sex with a White House intern, makes it much worse (no, I don’t care if she was a consenting adult, the power disparity is the issue, we should have learned that in the decades since).

Was the Clinton impeachment motivated by partisanship? Sure. Were the Republicans hypocritical in their motivation? Yes, obviously. But ultimately, the merits of the case against Bill Clinton, with hindsight, probably weigh in favor of impeachment.

Ask yourself, if a governor or CEO today used their position of power to carry on an affair with an intern significantly younger than them, wouldn’t we expect them to be removed? So why is it different for Clinton?

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KGxvi  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:54:50pm

re: #46 bd(it’s all true)

I started drinking about Trump some time ago.

Back when I took the bar exam, I knew people that bough a bottle of champagne and a case of beer before results were released. The only question was which they were going to drink (first).

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:55:28pm

re: #29 ObserverArt

Jabbing Trump and then ignoring his petty comebacks will hurt him more than an outright war of words.

For every one Pelosi or Schumer jab Trump will go overboard by a factor of ten.

He has to get feedback that his comebacks sting. They don’t, so no need to give him any.

Being ignored just drives him over the edge.

Trump can be counted on to lose his shit. It doesn’t take much.

This is why I am not afraid one bit.

As to why I had been either a lurker or away for awhile, it was for self-care mostly. Last year gave me a lot of hope, even as thinks totally didn’t break our way. The pessimism that had been in me no longer exists.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:56:20pm

Typical wingnut tactic when you don’t like what someone is saying.

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KGxvi  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:57:32pm

re: #56 FormerDirtDart ????

GOP lawmaker says he wants to debate Ocasio-Cortez

If only there was a venue and/or process wherein two members of *checks notes* the House of Representatives could engage in a debate…

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Targetpractice  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:58:20pm

re: #56 FormerDirtDart ????

Typical wingnut tactic when you don’t like what someone is saying.

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Yep, it’s always a bit of political theater. If you respond in the negative, then they preen about having “won” because you don’t have the strength of your convictions to face them. And if you agree to the debate, then they find ways to weasel out of it by criticizing every aspect of the proposed debate.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 3:59:00pm

re: #53 KGxvi

I’m going to take an unpopular position around here, but I don’t think Clinton’s impeachment was unwarranted.

He lied under oath in a deposition, which is a perversion/obstruction of justice, and accordingly, a violation of his oath of office to see the law is faithfully executed. I don’t care that it was “about an affair” - in fact, the nature of that affair, that he was having sex with a White House intern, makes it much worse (no, I don’t care if she was a consenting adult, the power disparity is the issue, we should have learned that in the decades since).

Was the Clinton impeachment motivated by partisanship? Sure. Were the Republicans hypocritical in their motivation? Yes, obviously. But ultimately, the merits of the case against Bill Clinton, with hindsight, probably weigh in favor of impeachment.

Ask yourself, if a governor or CEO today used their position of power to carry on an affair with an intern significantly younger than them, wouldn’t we expect them to be removed? So why is it different for Clinton?

I do feel he hurt himself by perjuring himself but I really don’t think the affair was the public’s business. That said I have a more nuanced look at it now for the reasons you describe.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:00:02pm

re: #56 FormerDirtDart ????

Typical wingnut tactic when you don’t like what someone is saying.

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You can do that on the floor of Congress, Dan. Stop making debates into a joke. This is the Shapirozation of discussion.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:01:11pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Yep, it’s always a bit of political theater. If you respond in the negative, then they preen about having “won” because you don’t have the strength of your convictions to face them. And if you agree to the negotiations, then they find ways to weasel out of it by criticizing every aspect of the proposed debate.

It’s the Ben Shapiro way of dealing with people you disagree with. It’s really lame. Debates are nice but they’re not everything. And ACO has been much more honest than Crenshaw since entering Congress.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:01:13pm

re: #56 FormerDirtDart ????

Typical wingnut tactic when you don’t like what someone is saying.

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Dude probably thinks he could Gish Gallop all over her.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:01:48pm

re: #16 Myron Falwell

From downstairs:

Sarah’s missing one thing. To beat a narcissist, you have to take it to them where it hurts them the most. And Pelosi did. Trump doesn’t care about hundreds of thousands of workers, but he sure as hell cared about losing his SOTU, so much so he pulled a petty move that is backfiring to everyone not named Chris Cilizza.

You have an impetuous man-baby and a house speaker who has known said man-baby for years and years, and it’s not hard to see who has all the leverage.

The only thing Trump can do now are things that are going to blow up in his face. He’s refusing to leave because he’s already in the proverbial bunker. He’s losing the respect of everyone around him but a fraction of true believers, and that won’t win him a damn thing.

But make no mistake… when he caves, or is forced to cave, it will be the end. And it’s apparent he’s going to be forced down somehow.

He’s NOT winning, he’s lost, and he is dead set on losing in the worst way possible.

i understand your point

i dont think it’s ‘respect’

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:01:56pm

re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg

Dude probably thinks he could Gish Gallop all over her.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:03:50pm

I don’t mind debates. I do mind debates being turned into a whole way of deciding who’s right. I’ll remind people that Lincoln technically lost the Lincoln-Douglas debates even though Lincoln was morally right.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:05:46pm
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piratedan  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:06:21pm

re: #53 KGxvi

because at the time, she testified that it was completely consensual and that she was the one who initiated the relationship. That context matters to me. Granted he should have known better and refused and I understand why he lied in his deposition, he was looking at either protecting himself, his marriage or his career and most likely some combination of all three. I can also understand a certain motivation at denying the legitimacy of the process… the whole investigation was regarding wether he and his spouse benefitted illegally regarding some real estate deals where they in fact lost money and had been in the process of years when this came up during the fishing expeditions that took place.

Was Lewinski employed by the WH at that time, no… did Bill have a reputation as a skirt chaser, yes he did, how does that impact the supposedl ill gotten gains in their real estate deals…. I could see it being relevant if he was banging a realtor, or a loan officer or the owner of the property, this not so much.

Do I like that he lied under oath, no… no I don’t. Can I understand it, yes yes I can.

I understand how partisan the entire affair was, and considering the fact that in the Congress at the time we had the Majority leader who was a serial adulterer, and within their confines sexual predators like Hastert and Foley, I think that there’s simply a touch of hubris at play here. While I would adore the leaders of the political party I support to be sterling examples of leadership, I also understand that they are human, with strengths and weaknesses.

While I wish I could say that there’s a bit of fair play and give and take in regards to the Politics of the nation, the GOP has essentially shit all over that by destroying norms both during and since Nixon. They are the party of Spite. At this point I want them punished for the laws that they have broken, to the utmost extent of the law.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:06:32pm

re: #66 Patricia Kayden

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Crooked asshole.

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Targetpractice  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:07:07pm

re: #53 KGxvi

I’m going to take an unpopular position around here, but I don’t think Clinton’s impeachment was unwarranted.

He lied under oath in a deposition, which is a perversion/obstruction of justice, and accordingly, a violation of his oath of office to see the law is faithfully executed. I don’t care that it was “about an affair” - in fact, the nature of that affair, that he was having sex with a White House intern, makes it much worse (no, I don’t care if she was a consenting adult, the power disparity is the issue, we should have learned that in the decades since).

Was the Clinton impeachment motivated by partisanship? Sure. Were the Republicans hypocritical in their motivation? Yes, obviously. But ultimately, the merits of the case against Bill Clinton, with hindsight, probably weigh in favor of impeachment.

Ask yourself, if a governor or CEO today used their position of power to carry on an affair with an intern significantly younger than them, wouldn’t we expect them to be removed? So why is it different for Clinton?

Yes, perjury is a very serious matter, it was one of the original allegations made against the Clintons at the beginning of the entire Whitewater “scandal,” that one or both of the Clintons had lied to investigators about their part in scam. That expanded into allegations they’d lied about the WH travel office and accessing confidential FBI files. Yet, in the end, the only lie they could ever catch either Clinton in was one about receiving a blow job in the Oval Office. When you consider the laundry list of crimes that they’d supposedly lied to avoid being prosecuted for, asking a White House intern to give you a hummer being an abuse of power just doesn’t rate more than a raised eyebrow.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:08:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:08:27pm

re: #67 piratedan

because at the time, she testified that it was completely consensual and that she was the one who initiated the relationship. That context matters to me. Granted he should have known better and refused and I understand why he lied in his deposition, he was looking at either protecting himself, his marriage or his career and most likely some combination of all three. I can also understand a certain motivation at denying the legitimacy of the process… the whole investigation was regarding wether he and his spouse benefitted illegally regarding some real estate deals where they in fact lost money and had been in the process of years when this came up during the fishing expeditions that took place.

Was Lewinski employed by the WH at that time, no… did Bill have a reputation as a skirt chaser, yes he did, how does that impact the supposedl ill gotten gains in their real estate deals…. I could see it being relevant if he was banging a realtor, or a loan officer or the owner of the property, this not so much.

Do I like that he lied under oath, no… no I don’t. Can I understand it, yes yes I can.

I understand how partisan the entire affair was, and considering the fact that in the Congress at the time we had the Majority leader who was a serial adulterer, and within their confines sexual predators like Hastert and Foley, I think that there’s simply a touch of hubris at play here. While I would adore the leaders of the political party I support to be sterling examples of leadership, I also understand that they are human, with strengths and weaknesses.

While I wish I could say that there’s a bit of fair play and give and take in regards to the Politics of the nation, the GOP has essentially shit all over that by destroying norms both during and since Nixon. They are the party of Spite. At this point I want them punished for the laws that they have broken, to the utmost extent of the law.

It infuriates me still that the Republicans used the whole affair to act more moral than thou given the shit Newt and Livingston and Hyde had done and then Hasert and Foley.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:08:31pm

re: #66 Patricia Kayden

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He’s walking in dangerous territory because there are 800,000 + people pissed off at him.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:09:21pm

re: #63 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i understand your point

i dont think it’s ‘respect’

That’s true, with this clown, support or mere approval doesn’t need respect.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:12:13pm

re: #66 Patricia Kayden

Mitch has nowhere else to go. This is the hill he’s chosen to die on.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:12:46pm

TBH while I hate Gish Galloping, I hope someone takes Shapiro up on one of his offers one day and does it to him to show him and his fanboys to his face what his tactic looks like. A whole takes two to tango thing. But ideally I’d rather Ben go back to being a mediocre legal mind rather than the shitty political analyst he is.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:13:28pm

re: #72 Joe Bacon ??

He’s walking in dangerous territory because there are 800,000 + people pissed off at him.

One more lapsed paycheck and he may wish he wasn’t majority leader.

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Targetpractice  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:15:25pm

re: #66 Patricia Kayden

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So Yertle has now moved the goalposts, from it no longer being a bill that Trump has said he’ll sign to it now being a bill that has resulted from negotiations between the White House and Congressional Dem leadership.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:15:43pm

re: #76 Myron Falwell

One more lapsed paycheck and he may wish he wasn’t majority leader.

The mob will surround his house.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:16:36pm

McConnell just may end up being the least popular politician in America after this and step down.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:17:09pm

re: #52 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

susan collins is an unlikeable lucy van pelt

I thought Lucy Van Pelt was an unlikeable Lucy Van Pelt.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:17:53pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

Keep in mind that the House, Senate and Executive Branch are co-equal. The Senate is not supposed to abdicate its responsibilities to the White House. McConnell is not doing his job and needs to be called out for this.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:17:59pm

re: #66 Patricia Kayden

Why is this breaking news? What is this, like, the 10th time he’s done it?

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:18:20pm

re: #78 Joe Bacon ??

The mob will surround his house.

They better not interrupt his fancy dinner though!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:18:23pm

re: #80 Blind Frog Belly White

I thought Lucy Van Pelt was an unlikeable Lucy Van Pelt.

Lucy van Pelt was based largely on Charles Schulz’ first wife, who was pretty dominating and me-first. She wasn’t meant to be likable.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:18:38pm

re: #82 Romantic Heretic

Why is this breaking news? What is this, like, the 10th time he’s done it?

Each time he does it is news to the 800,000 federal employees who are living without paychecks.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:18:57pm

re: #24 bd(it’s all true)

Stepping on his dick while shooting himself in the foot.

Quite a feat.

he’s shot himself in both feet, both knees, one elbow and thinks if he dont move it wont hurt too much

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:19:28pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:19:32pm

re: #82 Romantic Heretic

Why is this breaking news? What is this, like, the 10th time he’s done it?

Close, it’s either the seventh or eighth.

And it’s news because it is framing him as responsible for continuing this sorry charade, as it should be.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:20:03pm

re: #86 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

he’s shot himself in both feet, both knees, one elbow and thinks if he dont move it wont hurt too much

just a flesh wound

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BlueGrl21  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:20:43pm

This dumb Gillette ad nonsense.

A guy at work asked me, “What about toxic femininity? Why don’t you feminists ever talk about that?”

“There’s a book. ‘Queen Bees and Wanna-bees.’ A movie called ‘Mean Girls.’ We owned it. We didn’t boycott Cinemark.”

He is not speaking to me.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:23:12pm

re: #78 Joe Bacon ??

The mob will surround his house.

He’s single-handedly pissing off hundreds of thousands of people. Unlike other circumstances, this isn’t a thing where people blame both sides, this is firmly the GOP that’s taking it in the shorts.

Mitch has two options. Lose badly right now, or really, really lose in catastrophic fashion by prolonging it for 1-2 more weeks.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:24:08pm

re: #53 KGxvi

I’m going to take an unpopular position around here, but I don’t think Clinton’s impeachment was unwarranted.

He lied under oath in a deposition, which is a perversion/obstruction of justice, and accordingly, a violation of his oath of office to see the law is faithfully executed. I don’t care that it was “about an affair” - in fact, the nature of that affair, that he was having sex with a White House intern, makes it much worse (no, I don’t care if she was a consenting adult, the power disparity is the issue, we should have learned that in the decades since).

Was the Clinton impeachment motivated by partisanship? Sure. Were the Republicans hypocritical in their motivation? Yes, obviously. But ultimately, the merits of the case against Bill Clinton, with hindsight, probably weigh in favor of impeachment.

Ask yourself, if a governor or CEO today used their position of power to carry on an affair with an intern significantly younger than them, wouldn’t we expect them to be removed? So why is it different for Clinton?

I’d like someone to give me an explanation of this, because I’m not sure I buy this. In almost any work situation, one person is in a more powerful position than the other. In this case, there’s no allegation that he pulled strings for her within the WH, or alternatively threatened her with consequences if she didn’t have sex with him.

This “power relationship” thing is a bit too vague and handwavy for my comfort, so, no, I wouldn’t say he should have been removed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:24:54pm

re: #84 Myron Falwell

Lucy van Pelt was based largely on Charles Schulz’ first wife, who was pretty dominating and me-first. She wasn’t meant to be likable.

Art imitates life.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:26:16pm

re: #90 BlueGrl21

This dumb Gillette ad nonsense.

A guy at work asked me, “What about toxic femininity? Why don’t you feminists ever talk about that?”

“There’s a book. ‘Queen Bees and Wanna-bees.’ A movie called ‘Mean Girls.’ We owned it. We didn’t boycott Cinemark.”

He is not speaking to me.

That reminds me of the saying, “If you loan somebody $20 and never see them again, it was probably worth it.”

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KGxvi  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:26:43pm

re: #67 piratedan

I suppose there’s two issues at play.

I think the affair itself was a problem - though not necessarily an impeachable offense - the power disparity between an intern and the POTUS should immediately be considered problematic, regardless of who initiated it. It’s no different than teacher/student, doctor/patient, attorney/client, executive/employee.

The more important issue is that he lied about what was considered a material fact of the investigation. The subject of the lie in that case is much less important than the nature of the lie.

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:27:17pm

re: #53 KGxvi

I’m going to take an unpopular position around here, but I don’t think Clinton’s impeachment was unwarranted.

He lied under oath in a deposition, which is a perversion/obstruction of justice, and accordingly, a violation of his oath of office to see the law is faithfully executed. I don’t care that it was “about an affair” - in fact, the nature of that affair, that he was having sex with a White House intern, makes it much worse (no, I don’t care if she was a consenting adult, the power disparity is the issue, we should have learned that in the decades since).

Was the Clinton impeachment motivated by partisanship? Sure. Were the Republicans hypocritical in their motivation? Yes, obviously. But ultimately, the merits of the case against Bill Clinton, with hindsight, probably weigh in favor of impeachment.

Ask yourself, if a governor or CEO today used their position of power to carry on an affair with an intern significantly younger than them, wouldn’t we expect them to be removed? So why is it different for Clinton?

Then you also would have been fine once it was clear Bush lied us into a war that he should have been impeached.

And you might have also considered Reagan be impeached for the whole Iran Contra mess.

Lying in order of magnitude.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:27:40pm

re: #94 Blind Frog Belly White

That reminds me of the saying, “If you loan somebody $20 and never see them again, it was probably worth it.”

Ha! I had never heard that before.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:28:16pm

re: #53 KGxvi

I’m going to take an unpopular position around here, but I don’t think Clinton’s impeachment was unwarranted.

He lied under oath in a deposition, which is a perversion/obstruction of justice, and accordingly, a violation of his oath of office to see the law is faithfully executed. I don’t care that it was “about an affair” - in fact, the nature of that affair, that he was having sex with a White House intern, makes it much worse (no, I don’t care if she was a consenting adult, the power disparity is the issue, we should have learned that in the decades since).

Was the Clinton impeachment motivated by partisanship? Sure. Were the Republicans hypocritical in their motivation? Yes, obviously. But ultimately, the merits of the case against Bill Clinton, with hindsight, probably weigh in favor of impeachment.

Ask yourself, if a governor or CEO today used their position of power to carry on an affair with an intern significantly younger than them, wouldn’t we expect them to be removed? So why is it different for Clinton?

while what you say is largely true, the purpose of the investigation in the first place was something entirely different. they dug and dug and dug, took lefts and rights until they had no idea where they even were, till they finally came up with something

this never should have come up.

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teleskiguy  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:28:33pm
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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:29:11pm

Chucky will be giddy about all the attention

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:29:31pm

Clinton shaded the truth answering an immaterial question in a deposition in a frivolous lawsuit. He shouldn’a done that.

Does THAT rise to the level of removal from office? Hardly.

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KGxvi  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:30:35pm

re: #96 ObserverArt

Then you also would have been fine once it was clear Bush lied us into a war that he should have been impeached.

And you might have also considered Reagan be impeached for the whole Iran Contra mess.

Lying in order of magnitude.

I was too young for Iran-Contra. But probably would have been on board with a Bush/Cheney impeachment. Though they are distinguishable, they ultimately were abuses of power/office.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:30:58pm

re: #100 FormerDirtDart ????

Meanwhile I’m looking at this pile of chopped liver named Steve King

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KGxvi  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:32:24pm

re: #92 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d like someone to give me an explanation of this, because I’m not sure I buy this. In almost any work situation, one person is in a more powerful position than the other. In this case, there’s no allegation that he pulled strings for her within the WH, or alternatively threatened her with consequences if she didn’t have sex with him.

This “power relationship” thing is a bit too vague and handwavy for my comfort, so, no, I wouldn’t say he should have been removed.

The rules are in place in large part because the temptation can become too much for some. In this case, he might not have done that, but we don’t make the rules for the people who don’t abuse their power, we make them for those that do.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:32:39pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:34:16pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:35:40pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

Owning and controlling the narrative.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:38:36pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:39:04pm

re: #104 KGxvi

The rules are in place in large part because the temptation can become too much for some. In this case, he might not have done that, but we don’t make the rules for the people who don’t abuse their power, we make them for those that do.

Still handwaving. We have definitions of abuse of power in these cases - quid pro quo, retaliation, etc. There’s no allegation of any of those, just some vague “he was more powerful than her, so he abused his power to have an affair with her”

She never said she asked for or received more favorable treatment, nor that he threatened her with dismissal or retaliation. Abuse of power requires actually abusing power, not simply consensual sex between two people with differing levels of power.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:41:44pm

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EPR-radar  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:41:57pm

re: #98 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

while what you say is largely true, the purpose of the investigation in the first place was something entirely different. they dug and dug and dug, took lefts and rights until they had no idea where they even were, till they finally came up with something

this never should have come up.

That’s my take on it. By the time the Whitewater witch hunt had morphed into questioning a sitting president under oath about presidential blow jobs, the whole thing was a farce.

I know it’s a bit lawless, but I’ve never cared at all about the crime of Clinton lying under oath about that. My concerns were always second order (e.g., how would it play out politically). IMO the only crime was on the part of the questioners.

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piratedan  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:42:22pm

re: #95 KGxvi

granted, you’re looking at the affair thru the lens of today, not the lens of what was seen as representative of societal norms at the time… you wanna string Bill up for his misdeeds, well guess what, a GOP majority in Congress has already done that for you.. happy?

That the Dems have chosen discretion instead of impeachment is apparently lost on the supposed arbiters of political fair play, especially so since we’ve had subsequent GOP administrations that lied to the American public and have essentially had their transgressions relegated to the dustbin of history to come back and haunt us to this day.

Iran/Contra has begat the humanitarian crisis in Central America which Trump is currently exlpoiting right fucking now…. with tens of thousands of lives lost (and probably much more but alas they weren’t American citizens (and yet of those that remain, some still some aspire to be!))

The Iraq war which was a huge loss of life from Americans to their allies and the Iraqi’s themselves and the political fallout which is now taking place in Syria

Neither one of those caused Dems to drop the hammer and where has that put us?

Hence why I believe that the penny has finally dropped and Dems have finally internalized that they have to put an end to this shit once and for all and if the political vase that is America ends up getting broken, well guess what, the other side was intent on breaking it anyway and making the Dems take the blame for it regardless of the fact that it was the GOP ball and the GOP guys threw it in the house, so lets at least clean house and maybe we can decopage a better vase from the shards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:42:46pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:45:20pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

If Chris Cuomo is going to try to both sides this shit, he’s dead to me forever. The 2020 presidential field is way too crowded anyway, so he won’t be missed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:45:26pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:46:05pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Not only that, the Senate only voted for it because Trump said he’d sign it.

Then he reneged.

You can’t make a deal with someone whose word means nothing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:46:06pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:47:21pm

re: #91 Myron Falwell

He’s single-handedly pissing off hundreds of thousands of people. Unlike other circumstances, this isn’t a thing where people blame both sides, this is firmly the GOP that’s taking it in the shorts.

Mitch has two options. Lose badly right now, or really, really lose in catastrophic fashion by prolonging it for 1-2 more weeks.

yes please

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Targetpractice  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:48:33pm

How quickly people forget that Trump and Pelosi met last week to discuss a deal to end the shutdown. And that, when told he would not be guaranteed money for his wall if he agreed to reopen the gov’t, he got up and walked out after petulantly saying “Bye-bye.” Then bragged about doing so on Twitter before Pelosi and Schumer had even spoken to the press.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:49:15pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

That is perfect. Democrats need to talk about marginal taxes so that the public understands how they work and how they were much higher in recent decades.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:50:32pm

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

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Remember, the GOP were trying to push the idea that, if Steve King loses his committee seats, then any Democrat who ever MET WITH Louis Farrakhan should lose theirs.

First, this is stupid because King lost his seats for BEING A RACIST, not MEETING WITH a racist.

Second, if that’s their standard, then here’s an opportunity for them to demonstrate their adherence to it.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:50:47pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

I do feel he hurt himself by perjuring himself but I really don’t think the affair was the public’s business. That said I have a more nuanced look at it now for the reasons you describe.

A lawyer I know (who is working on the case of a lifetime) told me that the lie in question for perjury had to be material to the case. The case was ultimately dismissed if we remember correctly and she said she could never prosecute perjury in a case that was dismissed

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:51:09pm

re: #98 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

while what you say is largely true, the purpose of the investigation in the first place was something entirely different. they dug and dug and dug, took lefts and rights until they had no idea where they even were, till they finally came up with something

this never should have come up.

The one thing I was disappointed never to have heard from Bill Clinton, when after all this fruitless groping they start questioning him about his sex life for the luvva shit was some variant of “None of your goddamn business!!!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:52:39pm

oh

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:52:45pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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lets remember socialism is what the government spends the money on
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taxation and rates, etc are really a whole different thing (ie confiscation)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:53:01pm

re: #123 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The one thing I was disappointed never to have heard from Bill Clinton, when after all this fruitless groping they start questioning about his sex life for the luvva shit was some variant of “None of your goddamn business!!!”

Well, Bill always had problems with his dick, including not stepping on it.

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EPR-radar  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:54:10pm

re: #123 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The one thing I was disappointed never to have heard from Bill Clinton, when after all this fruitless groping they start questioning about his sex life for the luvva shit was some variant of “None of your goddamn business!!!”

“Fuck off and die” would have been a perfectly acceptable answer for Bill Clinton to have given Starr & co. under oath about affairs etc.

Getting caught in a lie looked and was much weaker.

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sagehen  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:55:24pm

re: #38 teleskiguy

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Yoni Applebaum earned his writing gig by being the consistently best denizen of the comment threads at Ta-Nehisi Coates Atlantic blog (under the name Cynic); after six months of everybody saying “who is this guy, how does he know so much about everything?”, TNC talked his editor into hiring him.

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piratedan  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:56:38pm

re: #127 EPR-radar

i guess the part that I found most offensive was that the GOP was more concerned about the lie than the affair… I found that to be very informative considering the amount of time that they spent on claiming the supposed moral high ground in political comportment.

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EPR-radar  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:57:25pm

re: #121 Blind Frog Belly White

Remember, the GOP were trying to push the idea that, if Steve King loses his committee seats, then any Democrat who ever MET WITH Louis Farrakhan should lose theirs.

First, this is stupid because King lost his seats for BEING A RACIST, not MEETING WITH a racist.

Second, if that’s their standard, then here’s an opportunity for them to demonstrate their adherence to it.

If that’s their standard, no GOP member of Congress will have any committee assignments. I suppose that’s appropriate in an age of endless GOP shutdown, but it’s bit too blatant for the usual both-siderists to paper over with their bullshit.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:58:19pm

re: #129 piratedan

i guess the part that I found most offensive was that the GOP was more concerned about the lie than the affair… I found that to be very informative considering the amount of time that they spent on claiming the supposed moral high ground in political comportment.

they couldnt impeach him on the affair

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Targetpractice  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:58:42pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

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Again, we’re reminded that the GOP does not view women as equals and never will so long as those women have the audacity to stand up to them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:59:28pm

re: #131 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

they couldnt impeach him on the affair

Exactly. Although the way Ken Starr wrote the report, he clearly wanted to.

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EPR-radar  Jan 17, 2019 • 4:59:36pm

re: #129 piratedan

i guess the part that I found most offensive was that the GOP was more concerned about the lie than the affair… I found that to be very informative considering the amount of time that they spent on claiming the supposed moral high ground in political comportment.

The lie was (arguably) a crime. The affair wasn’t a crime. So the GOP had to go all-in on making out perjury about affairs into the crime of the century.

Of course Republicans then and now don’t give a shit about perjury or lying when one of their own does it.

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Old Liberal  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:01:45pm

re: #127 EPR-radar

“Fuck off and die” would have been a perfectly acceptable answer for Bill Clinton to have given Starr & co. under oath about affairs etc.

Getting caught in a lie looked and was much weaker.

My issue with the Lewinsky affair is it made Clinton vulnerable to blackmail. If you gotta lie about something you are vulnerable. Just admit it and let the chips fall. Lindsey should take a clue.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:01:59pm

re: #120 Patricia Kayden

That is perfect. Democrats need to talk about marginal taxes so that the public understands how they work and how they were much higher in recent decades.

Yeah, people keep quoting 91%, but I was pretty sure the top rate was 94% when I was born. I wish we had a National Referendum. It’s an article of wingnut faith that taxes do nothing but go up, and the square states are being bled dry to fund Welfare in the big cities. Have a Referendum to return the tax brackets to where they were in 1952, and that no state can receive more from the Federal Government than they pay in, and they’d crawl over broken glass to vote for it. Oops!

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:03:15pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

If Chris Cuomo is going to try to both sides this shit, he’s dead to me forever. The 2020 presidential field is way too crowded anyway, so he won’t be missed.

He’s got to both sides it. That is how you maintain your viewers. Give them an out no matter how disproportionate the one side is as compared to the other.

And maintaining viewers is what too many of the “news” network are doing.

The country could burn to the ground, but by gawd we need to make the money.

We are going to pay for this crap, a cost money won’t cover.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:05:03pm

Both Matthew and Marci Whitaker should be embarrassed about this.
But they won’t.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:05:36pm

re: #32 jaunte

Yeah, I don’t regard her as a hero. Another Republican who isn’t seeing reality even when they’re enmeshed in it.

The only thing I’m gonna say is she had a pension on the line. Look what he did to McCabe.

Whether she means it or not, who knows.

And I’m just sayin’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:11:22pm
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Unabogie  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:12:10pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:13:15pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

Wow, when even Wolf Blitzer isn’t taking any of this shit

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:14:02pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

You can do that on the floor of Congress, Dan. Stop making debates into a joke. This is the Shapirozation of discussion.

THIS.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:15:04pm

re: #136 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, people keep quoting 91%, but I was pretty sure the top rate was 94% when I was born. I wish we had a National Referendum. It’s an article of wingnut faith that taxes do nothing but go up, and the square states are being bled dry to fund Welfare in the big cities. Have a Referendum to return the tax brackets to where they were in 1952, and that no state can receive more from the Federal Government than they pay in, and they’d crawl over broken glass to vote for it. Oops!

majority of americans are fine with a marginal tax rate of 70%

The economy did fine during the Kennedy/Johnson administration, again showing that tax rates and the economy aren’t correlated at all.

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EPR-radar  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:15:06pm

re: #141 Unabogie

This isn’t even a particularly controversial nomination. Of course Barr is a Trumpholstering piece of shit, but that’s just business as usual these days.

So why does Collins feel a need to temporarily pretend to be undecided on the vote to confirm? I suppose stupid both siderist voters in Maine need this kind of relentless reinforcement of their delusions.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:21:06pm

re: #137 ObserverArt

He’s got to both sides it. That is how you maintain your viewers. Give them an out no matter how disproportionate the one side is as compared to the other.

And maintaining viewers is what too many of the “news” network are doing.

The country could burn to the ground, but by gawd we need to make the money.

We are going to pay for this crap, a cost money won’t cover.

He’s in third place — a distant third — to Maddow and Lumpy.

And this bothsiderism is why.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:25:24pm

re: #145 EPR-radar

This isn’t even a particularly controversial nomination. Of course Barr is a Trumpholstering piece of shit, but that’s just business as usual these days.

So why does Collins feel a need to temporarily pretend to be undecided on the vote to confirm? I suppose stupid both siderist voters in Maine need this kind of relentless reinforcement of their delusions.

An ultimatum to Mitch: “I’ll vote for Barr if you allow a CR vote and end the shutdown.”

But that may be giving her too much credit.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:25:43pm

re: #81 Patricia Kayden

Keep in mind that the House, Senate and Executive Branch are co-equal. The Senate is not supposed to abdicate its responsibilities to the White House. McConnell is not doing his job and needs to be called out for this.

He has to say that because he’s starting to take the heat. But that answer is bogus. Allowing a vote would pass something and force Trump to either sign or reject it. And, in either case, McConnell and Trump come out looking bad.

All of the Democrats need to be hounding him like AOC has been.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:25:54pm

re: #111 EPR-radar

That’s my take on it. By the time the Whitewater witch hunt had morphed into questioning a sitting president under oath about presidential blow jobs, the whole thing was a farce.

I know it’s a bit lawless, but I’ve never cared at all about the crime of Clinton lying under oath about that. My concerns were always second order (e.g., how would it play out politically). IMO the only crime was on the part of the questioners.

I don’t care at all who a president is fucking… As long as it’s not the American people.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:26:10pm

re: #82 Romantic Heretic

Why is this breaking news? What is this, like, the 10th time he’s done it?

I don’t care. It needs to stay in the news.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:27:30pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

If Chris Cuomo is going to try to both sides this shit, he’s dead to me forever. The 2020 presidential field is way too crowded anyway, so he won’t be missed.

You’re thinking of his brother Andrew.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:30:32pm

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

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WTF. But yeah Roe and Harris “reject racism and white supremacy.” But not only is this bigoted kooky shit, it’s not even science. There is no “Muslim DNA.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:31:18pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

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Yeah I doubt you said this about Boehner not being “Equal” to Obama. Balance of powers, asshole. She is equal to him.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:32:17pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

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When you’re dumber than Wolf Blitzer, that says something.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:32:21pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

WTF. But yeah Roe and Harris “reject racism and white supremacy.” But not only is this bigoted kooky shit, it’s not even science. There is no “Muslim DNA.

I saw that and thought, WTF? There are Muslims of every race and ethnicity, for gods sake.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:32:55pm

re: #143 MsJ

THIS.

I am so goddamn sick of people thinking if they “win” a debate, it means their argument is morally superior. As I said, someone should take Shapiro up on his offer and out Shapiro him by Gish Gallopping. Maybe then the cult of fanboys that worship his ass will see what an empty suit Ben really is but I doubt it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:34:41pm

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw that and thought, WTF? There are Muslims of every race and ethnicity, for gods sake.

The only real difference between Bosnians and Slovenes (my grandfather’s parents ethnic background) is Bosnians are typically Muslims and Slovenes are typically Catholics. The difference is even more thin when you get down to language with language with people in that region.

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VegasGolfer  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:35:01pm

Racist identifed.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:36:42pm

re: #158 VegasGolfer

Racist identifed.

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Secretary of the House Republican Conference. This bigoted motherfucker is leadership but yeah Republicans go on and act like Steve King is the exception not the norm. Fucking bigoted ignorant motherfucker.

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:36:58pm

re: #142 Myron Falwell

Wow, when even Wolf Blitzer isn’t taking any of this shit

I wish Wolf would have remembered to tell the congressman Trump didn’t win the majority of the popular vote.

If the congressman wants to split hairs about how Pelosi was voted by the congress to become speaker, then lets get into the details.

These dumbass Republicans and their scripted replies, notice how they stammer while trying to figure a way to get back on script? They can’t carry a debate or answer anything that requires them to think quickly and they aren’t prepared to answer.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:39:48pm

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw that and thought, WTF? There are Muslims of every race and ethnicity, for gods sake.

The Boston Marathon bombers were literally Caucasian….

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:47:21pm

re: #1 Scottish Dragon

Having computer problems (W, E, R keys work only occasionally) so that is why I am not posting much.

Why did I get down dinged?

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TedStriker  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:50:33pm

re: #162 Scottish Dragon

Why did I get down dinged?

I have no idea, especially since it was a computer issue post…given who did, inadvertent clicks, perhaps?

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:51:31pm

re: #162 Scottish Dragon

Why did I get down dinged?

I’m thinking there was some fat fingers going on. No reason for a down ding.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:53:23pm

re: #162 Scottish Dragon

Why did I get down dinged?

More to the point, HOW did you get downdinged? I checked and discovered I was one of the downdingers, and I had NO IDEA how that happened. I’m on a computer with a big screen, fer chrissakes!

Fixted.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 17, 2019 • 5:59:08pm

re: #163 TedStriker

I have no idea, especially since it was a computer issue post…given who did, inadvertent clicks, perhaps?

I don’t remember dinging in any direction, so I was VERY surprised to see I’d downdinged.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 6:59:56pm

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw that and thought, WTF? There are Muslims of every race and ethnicity, for gods sake.

Well don’cha know? DNA varies by religion. You become a Muslim or a Christian, your DNA suddenly switches to Muslim or Christian DNA.

The only reason conservatives pushing eugenics went underground was the exposure of its logical conclusion at the end of WW2. Conservatives have never given up on the idea of eugenics, and folks like John Tanton’s various immigration groups have simply stoked such things and try to cloak it in science.

Conservatives are trying very hard to grasp all power now - and if they do, their eugenics dreams will be enacted nationwide. There isn’t a major Republican politician anywhere that doesn’t embrace the idea that African-Americans are inherently violent or bad parents, &c.

Conservatism has embraced the paradigm of eugenics ever since early Progressives in the XX Century gave up the idea as unscientific. (Aside, conservatism by its very nature cannot come up with new ideas.)


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