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gwangung  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:15:16pm

Hm.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:16:07pm

re: #1 gwangung

Hm.

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We might have our answer about what’s going on at the TImes.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:16:35pm

I believe that it is time we all admit what we’ve all suspected all along: the mastermind behind all this is Barron Trump. Or Prince Philip, I get them confused.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:16:48pm

re: #310 Mattand

Do you think someone is going to wake Trump up now and break the bad news?

Well, it’s definitely not Melania, she fled for Mar-a-Lago a few hours ago.

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plansbandc  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:17:16pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:17:47pm

Epic tweet storm coming in the morning I’m sure.

I wonder if the media will keep acting like this is all relatively normal.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:17:47pm

re: #3 De Kolta Chair

I believe that it is time we all admit what we’ve all suspected all along: the mastermind behind all this is Barron Trump. Or Prince Philip, I get them confused.

Cled: Donald did say that Barron knows Cyber! And no I’m not mocking Barron Trump. I’m mocking his father who also thinks Rudy Giuliani is an internet security expert when Rudy’s Twitter password is probably AmericasMayor911.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:18:18pm

re: #4 Myron Falwell

Well, it’s definitely not Melania, she fled for Mar-a-Lago a few hours ago.

You wouldn’t like Donald when he’s angry but you really shouldn’t like him when he’s happy or sad either. He’s miserable.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:18:26pm

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

Epic tweet storm coming in the morning I’m sure.

I wonder if the media will keep acting like this is all relatively normal.

That, or the US is pulling out of NATO.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:19:10pm

re: #9 Belafon

That, or the US is pulling out of NATO.

The fact that he could probably do that and NOT get impeached for it is astounding.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:19:13pm

re: #1 gwangung

Hm.

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Oh my.

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teleskiguy  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:19:51pm

If tomorrow is the day Fuckface Von Clownstick uses his National Emergency powers for the fucking racist wall…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:20:39pm
President Trump was startled Tuesday as he watched television coverage of his nominee for attorney general describing a warm relationship with the special counsel Robert Mueller in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee,” CNN reports

Found out via tv Durning the confirmation hearing
Trump sure knows how to vet ‘em

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:21:35pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

And Natalie Wood’s actual name was Natalia Nikolaevna Zakharenko, which she hid because she was the love child of Leonid Brezhnev and Mata Hari!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:22:40pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

You wouldn’t like Donald when he’s angry but you really shouldn’t like him when he’s happy or sad either. He’s miserable.

A narcissist like Trump is never happy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:22:59pm

OT: Someone asked me about dealing with the character of Mohammed Atta in the historical fiction book I’m writing about the day before 9/11.

I struggled with that but ultimately decided to try and present him as accurately as possible. No glamorizing, no softening, no over humanizing. It’s actually not hard with him because he was an intense introvert who shut himself off from almost everyone and was known to show very few signs of love, affection or happiness.

His story also serves to contrast the other stories.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:23:09pm

re: #15 Myron Falwell

A narcissist like Trump is never happy.

True.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:24:30pm

re: #16 Eclectic Cyborg

OT: Someone asked me about dealing with the character of Mohammed Atta in the historical fiction book I’m writing about the day before 9/11.

I struggled with that but ultimately decided to try and present him as accurately as possible. No glamorizing, no softening, no over humanizing. It’s actually not hard with him because he was an intense introvert who shut himself off from almost everyone and was known to show very few signs of love, affection or happiness.

His story also serves to contrast the other stories.

That was me. Cool deal. I’d definitely read this. If you don’t mind but what other literary works have you done? I had no idea you were a novelist.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:25:00pm

re: #13 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Found out via tv Durning the confirmation hearing
Trump sure knows how to vet ‘em

He wants his lackeys to hate as much as he does.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:25:37pm

re: #9 Belafon

That, or the US is pulling out of NATO.

And forming a new Warsaw Pact with Russia, Hungary, and Poland.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:26:45pm

re: #20 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And forming a new Warsaw Pact with Russia, Hungary, and Poland.

Seems that way. Belarus would be there too and Italy.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:27:41pm

Tomorrow will be the biggest Friday Toilet Flush ever. You know Orange Foolius is snorting the Adderil like there’s no tomorrow. This is probably why he was so silent on Twitter because he had been tipped off about what the Times was going to publish.

Oh, I wouldn’t be surprised if his #1 stenographer Maggie tipped him off!

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:29:18pm

Jason Chatfield

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:29:29pm

Rep. Tom Marino (R-Pa.)
In Nov. he took the PA-12 seat by 22%. Not sure that can be flipped.
But, as Alabama taught us, anything is possible

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:29:52pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

That was me. Cool deal. I’d definitely read this. If you don’t mind but what other literary works have you done? I had no idea you were a novelist.

Aspiring novelist is more like it. I self published a short book on Amazon a few years back but last year on my birthday I made a goal to get three more published by the time I turn 40 (I’m 37).

The first of these is close to completion. It’s called Thirteen Stories and is a collection of short stories written in the first person about a group of people who all live in the same apartment building (the title of course, has a double meaning). I am on my fourth draft of that one and hope to get it released by the end of the summer.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:31:22pm

re: #24 FormerDirtDart ????

Rep. Tom Marino (R-Pa.)
In Nov. he took the PA-12 seat by 22%. Not sure that can be flipped.
But, as Alabama taught us, anything is possible

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Remember Conor Lamb.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:31:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:33:18pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Aspiring novelist is more like it. I self published a short book on Amazon a few years back but last year on my birthday I made a goal to get three more published by the time I turn 40 (I’m 37).

The first of these is close to completion. It’s called Thirteen Stories and is a collection of short stories written in the first person about a group of people who all live in the same apartment building (the title of course, has a double meaning). I am on my fourth draft of that one and hope to get it released by the end of the summer.

I like that. Sounds fascinating. I have an idea that I’ve worked on to cover eleven episodes in the life of a 101 year old over 11 separate decades in the 20th century.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:33:32pm

LOL.

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piratedan  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:33:55pm

re: #24 FormerDirtDart ????

expecting additional shoes to drop with this. Supposedly Marino was big in the GOP campaign for Pennsylvania and methinks that we’re eikther going to hear about some additional Trump Campaign shananigans (money, voter irreegularities, treason) or there are some personal misconduct charges looming.

It used to be that people would leave when there was something seriously wrong with the health of someone in their family, thanks to the politics of this day and age, I’ve stopped even considering that as being likely (kinda sad actually).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:34:08pm

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

LOL.

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How fucking hard is it to say my bad.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:34:35pm

re: #30 piratedan

expecting additional shoes to drop with this. Supposedly Marino was big in the GOP campaign for Pennsylvania and methinks that we’re eikther going to hear about some additional Trump Campaign shananigans (money, voter irreegularities, treason) or there are some personal misconduct charges looming.

It used to be that people would leave when there was something seriously wrong with the health of someone in their family, thanks to the politics of this day and age, I’ve stopped even considering that as being likely (kinda sad actually).

I believe he was an early Trump endorser.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:35:25pm

Something stinks here. Congresspeople dont resign in the first month of a new session.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:35:28pm

re: #24 FormerDirtDart ????

I gave up years ago on people who gave up.

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retired cynic  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:36:33pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Up the last thread, there was something about him being caught up in defending some pharmaceutical company(s) to with opioid abuse. Or something like that! I can’t keep up!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:36:53pm

re: #3 De Kolta Chair

I believe that it is time we all admit what we’ve all suspected all along: the mastermind behind all this is Barron Trump. Or Prince Philip, I get them confused.

It was likely Prince Albert…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:36:54pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

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Also Cohen’s computer

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:38:41pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Something stinks her. Congresspeople dont resign in the first month of a new session.

And likely resigning won’t protect him

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:38:49pm

re: #24 FormerDirtDart ????

Rep. Tom Marino (R-Pa.)
In Nov. he took the PA-12 seat by 22%. Not sure that can be flipped.
But, as Alabama taught us, anything is possible

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less than three weeks after being sworn in to another term, that’s very normal

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:39:16pm

re: #35 retired cynic

Up the last thread, there was something about him being caught up in defending some pharmaceutical company(s) to with opioid abuse. Or something like that! I can’t keep up!

I believe that ties to the pharm company is why he had to turn down Drug Czar.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:40:27pm

re: #36 Myron Falwell

Need I ask, in a can?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:41:40pm

And honestly while I get that right wing ideology is awful, this is why you can’t act like this is just an extension of past right wing terrible Presidents. Everyone is fucking crooked. Even Nixon and Reagan had some non dirty aspects.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:41:43pm

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

LOL.

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Awwww, the poor widdle presstitute had his fee fees hurt!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:42:07pm

re: #36 Myron Falwell

It was likely Prince Albert…

in a can

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retired cynic  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:42:09pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

I was singularly incoherent there. Hadn’t even had any bedtime whiskey to blame it on!

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gocart mozart  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:44:23pm

A sentence I never thought I would have to write

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gocart mozart  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:45:27pm

re: #46 gocart mozart

Chelsea started this conversation

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:46:10pm

re: #37 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Also Cohen’s computer

Sure, but anything on Cohen’s computer has a less than ideal chain of custody because Cohen is a convicted perjurer. On the other hand as the CFO Weisselberg was the nexus for every penny going in and out of the Trump Org, so it makes sense he’d have been CC’d on all manner of fuckshit. He’s key because he can credibly corroborate things Cohen alleges, while also backing them up with evidence obtained independently of Cohen.

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William Lewis  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:46:28pm

re: #36 Myron Falwell

It was likely Prince Albert…

Only if he was in a can…

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:46:58pm

Later lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:49:13pm

re: #45 retired cynic

I was singularly incoherent there. Hadn’t even had any bedtime whiskey to blame it on!

No, no I understood you. I had remembered his name since he had to back out of consideration for Drug Czar because of what you’re talking about.

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William Lewis  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:50:30pm

I’m not sure if I’m laughing more at three of us making the “a can” reference or laughing that it’s only three of us…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:51:51pm

re: #52 William Lewis

I’m not sure if I’m laughing more at three of us making the “a can” reference or laughing that it’s only three of us…

Of course, then there’s the lizards like me that made the joke in our heads and just didn’t type it out.

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retired cynic  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:52:08pm

re: #52 William Lewis

I’m not sure if I’m laughing more at three of us making the “a can” reference or laughing that it’s only three of us…

The rest of us are just thinking high-minded thoughts and ignoring you.

/

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William Lewis  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:55:02pm

Well, after that bit of high brow humor, here’s a nice gentle lullaby as I go off to sleep for the night. Later!

Enter Sandman - Lullaby Renditions of Metallica - Rockabye Baby!

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:55:26pm

Oh, lest I forget, here’s a fun video by an entire west Ireland town, crazy fuckers all

Galway Girl - Sharon Shannon, Mundy & Galway City

You have no idea how popular this Steve Earle song is in the Old Sod. Crazy fuckers all!

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Lidane  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:56:05pm

Heh.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:57:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:57:56pm

re: #56 De Kolta Chair

Oh, lest I forget, here’s a fun video by an entire west Ireland town, crazy fuckers

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You have no idea how popular this song was in the Old Sod.

Oh yes I do. I studied a month in Galway and have family ties there.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 17, 2019 • 8:58:00pm

The most disturbing thing about GOP congressmen Phil Roe and Andy Harris meeting with white nationalist Charles Johnson, is the context of their meeting: the racist belief that black people have hereditary low IQ’s and inferior genes. These are the lawmakers who write and vote for laws that effects the lives of millions of African-Americans.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:00:57pm

re: #60 DodgerFan1988

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The most disturbing thing about GOP congressmen Phil Roe and Andy Harris meeting with white nationalist Charles Johnson, is the context of their meeting: the racist belief that black people have hereditary low IQ’s and inferior genes. These are the lawmakers who write and vote for laws that effects the lives of millions of African-Americans.

It’s even more creepy. They were apparently talking about “Muslim DNA” and how it makes Muslims supposedly more likely to rape and be violent.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:02:11pm

re: #335 gocart mozart

A sentence I never thought I would have to write.

That’s quite the claim, trying to equate sex toy deaths with children’s gun deaths. Gunhumpers will “whatabout” anything, though I’ve never seen sex toys invoked for banning before in those arguments.

Digging into my file of erotic Romance-related materials (rummaging through my saved pages) … here it is.

Published in the category of “Economic Policy” at the Washington Post:

Sex Toy Injuries Surged after Fifty Shades of Grey Was Published (with charts tracking historical injury rate)

Correlation does not equal causation of course. The article shows all reported sex toy emergency room visits (and sex toy here can mean a lot of things you wouldn’t normally consider a sex toy). Injuries also include death (a rather dramatic injury).

The year reported with the most injuries was 2012, with 2,500. Men are most likely to be injured in the age range 40-50, women in the age range 20-30.

So yeah, that number’s bull. I thought you might want to have some statistical backup (and in things sex or kink I know where to find such information if you need to slap down a gunhumper or conservative prude).

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plansbandc  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:02:14pm

Chuck is not a looker.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:03:26pm

re: #62 Anymouse ??

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That’s quite the claim, trying to equate sex toy deaths with children’s gun deaths. Gunhumpers will “whatabout” anything, though I’ve never seen sex toys invoked for banning before in those arguments.

Digging into my file of erotic Romance-related materials (rummaging through my saved pages) … here it is.

Published in the category of “Economic Policy” at the Washington Post:

Sex Toy Injuries Surged after Fifty Shades of Grey Was Published (with charts tracking historical injury rate)

Correlation does not equal causation of course. The article shows all reported sex toy emergency room visits (and sex toy here can mean a lot of things you wouldn’t normally consider a sex toy). Injuries also include death (a rather dramatic injury).

The year reported with the most injuries was 2012, with 2,500. Men are most likely to be injured in the age range 40-50, women in the age range 20-30.

So yeah, that number’s bull. I thought you might want to have some statistical backup (and in things sex or kink I know where to find such information if you need to slap down a gunhumper or conservative prude).

Ball gags aren’t meant to kill, wingnut dumbass. Try again next time. Also your stats are way fucking off.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:04:07pm

Btw I look like a Galway guy cuz my hair is black and my eyes are blue.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:04:44pm

re: #60 DodgerFan1988

The most disturbing thing about GOP congressmen Phil Roe and Andy Harris meeting with white nationalist Charles Johnson, is the context of their meeting: the racist belief that black people have hereditary low IQ’s and inferior genes. These are the lawmakers who write and vote for laws that effects the lives of millions of African-Americans.

Eugenics has always been part of Movement Conservative. After WW2 it was not in the open, but it was still there. They have never stopped nurturing it, and if conservatives ever got enough power, they would implement eugenics. Eugenics has not been banned by the Supreme Court in challenges, cases have only been decided on narrow grounds.

The 1927 case Buck v Bell ruled that there is no due process violation when the state imposes eugenics laws, and that ruling has never been overturned.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:05:22pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

This news with Cohen tonight proves that the proverbial horse is now out of the barn. If Trump wanted a goon AG to derail the investigation, pulling Barr for someone worse will just eat up time he can’t afford to lose.

And it’s obvious Baldo McBaldyface has had no clue how to derail a goddam thing.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:06:35pm

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

Epic tweet storm coming in the morning I’m sure.

I wonder if the media will keep acting like this is all relatively normal.

Time for another Cletus Safari.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:10:08pm

re: #13 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Found out via tv Durning the confirmation hearing
Trump sure knows how to vet ‘em

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:10:48pm

literally a Trump tweet for fucking everything

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austin_blue  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:11:46pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Something stinks here. Congresspeople dont resign in the first month of a new session.

Dead girl, live boy. The usual.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:13:55pm

re: #24 FormerDirtDart ????

Rep. Tom Marino (R-Pa.)
In Nov. he took the PA-12 seat by 22%. Not sure that can be flipped.
But, as Alabama taught us, anything is possible

Wow, why’d he resign after only being in office a month? The Democratic House majority, or does he see what’s coming down the path for the Trumptanic?

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:14:17pm

re: #67 Myron Falwell

This news with Cohen tonight proves that the proverbial horse is now out of the barn. If Trump wanted a goon AG to derail the investigation, pulling Barr for someone worse will just eat up time he can’t afford to lose.

And it’s obvious Baldo McBaldyface has had no clue how to derail a goddam thing.

This news also raises the stakes for the ethics professionals in their analysis of Barr’s need to recuse, because he pre-judged the situation in both his memo and answer to Klobouchar about a President persuading a witness to commit perjury. In essence if the evidence strongly backs up the allegation that Trump ordered Cohen to lie to Congress then Barr in on record calling that a criminal offense.

In other words Barr is now trapped and must recuse, which in Trump’s view was Sessions’ great betrayal.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:15:29pm

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

LOL.

He deleted that tweet.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:16:45pm

re: #71 austin_blue

Dead girl, live boy. The usual.

Right. Definitely something quick. I wonder if the seat can be won. Don’t know where in PA this is.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:18:21pm
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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:18:41pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

And honestly while I get that right wing ideology is awful, this is why you can’t act like this is just an extension of past right wing terrible Presidents. Everyone is fucking crooked. Even Nixon and Reagan had some non dirty aspects.

Why not? I’m sure this guy loves his children (if he has any) and never kicked a puppy.

It is precisely from the past of terrible right wing candidates and Presidents. Joe McCarthy was probably nice in a bunch of ways as well. So was Goldwater while he was busy inviting in the Klan and John Birch Society.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:20:21pm

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

This news also raises the stakes for the ethics professionals in their analysis of Barr’s need to recuse, because he pre-judged the situation in both his memo and answer to Klobouchar about a President persuading a witness to commit perjury. In essence if the evidence strongly backs up the allegation that Trump ordered Cohen to lie to Congress then Barr in on record calling that a criminal offense.

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In other words Barr is now trapped and must recuse, which in Trump’s view was Sessions’ great betrayal.

I love how Klobouchar just laid that trap and Barr walked right into it!

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retired cynic  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:22:11pm

re: #77 Anymouse ??

Why not? I’m sure this guy loves his children (if he has any) and never kicked a puppy.

It is precisely from the past of terrible right wing candidates and Presidents. Joe McCarthy was probably nice in a bunch of ways as well. So was Goldwater while he was busy inviting in the Klan and John Birch Society.

My husband met Joe McCarthy. He said he was quite charming. Was in the middle of his big commie hunt, and my husband said he had a brief thought about what would happen if he just killed him then and there. Fortunately for me, he held off. [grin]

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:22:27pm

re: #77 Anymouse ??

Why not? I’m sure this guy loves his children (if he has any) and never kicked a puppy.

It is precisely from the past of terrible right wing candidates and Presidents. Joe McCarthy was probably nice in a bunch of ways as well. So was Goldwater while he was busy inviting in the Klan and John Birch Society.

Because this entire administration and its associates are crooked. You are correct past right wing Presidents have been awful but the corruption is here, there, & everywhere. There are no Elliott Richardsons in this administration who have integrity. I’m sorry but you really I think do a disservice by acting like this is just business as usual for the right. It’s a crisis like never before and you’ll see exactly what I mean if Trump looks like he’ll have to leave.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:23:24pm

re: #79 retired cynic

My husband met Joe McCarthy. He said he was quite charming. Was in the middle of his big commie hunt, and my husband said he had a brief thought about what would happen if he just killed him then and there. Fortunately for me, he held off. [grin]

Haha. My grandfather knew Hoffa. Died before I was born. I would have loved that story.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:25:29pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Because this entire administration and its associates are crooked. You are correct past right wing Presidents have been awful but the corruption is here, there, & everywhere. There are no Elliott Richardsons in this administration who have integrity. I’m sorry but you really I think do a disservice by acting like this is just business as usual for the right. It’s a crisis like never before and you’ll see exactly what I mean if Trump looks like he’ll have to leave.

Another point, Happy is that in 1974 you had Liberal Republicans in the Senate like Javits, Schweicker, Mathias, Case, Packwood, Hatfield, Aiken, Percy and Brooke who would stand up to Nixon.

Starting in 1976 the Liberal Republicans were getting purged and by 1986 the last one standing (Mathias) was gone.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:25:51pm

re: #78 Joe Bacon ??

I love how Klobouchar just laid that trap and Barr walked right into it!

Klobuchar if she runs could surprise some people. She may not be known as a huge liberal but she is both intelligent and a fighter. She’s also very well liked in Minnesota. Definitely someone who I want to see either on a ticket, at the RFK building, or maybe on SCOTUS.

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:26:01pm

Somebody didn’t listen to Stringer Bell.

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Targetpractice  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:26:18pm

I’d say we have some idea of why Donny appears to be scared shitless of Cohen testifying next month.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:27:40pm

re: #82 Joe Bacon ??

Another point, Happy is that in 1974 you had Liberal Republicans in the Senate like Javits, Schweicker, Mathias, Case, Packwood, Hatfield, Aiken, Percy and Brooke who would stand up to Nixon.

Starting in 1976 the Liberal Republicans were getting purged and by 1986 the last one standing (Mathias) was gone.

Precisely. It’s not AM that past Republican Presidents weren’t awful. It’s that past elected and appointed Republicans weren’t ALL awful. There is no one in the GOP delegation or the Trump cabinet that will do the right thing.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:29:12pm

Did you know it was the Democrats fault there isn’t more diversity among the GOP?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:30:45pm

Another name Joe but Larry Hogan’s Father Larry Sr stood up to Nixon. No one in the House GOP will come close to that. That’s the difference here. Right wing ideology has always been awful but Republicans have had men and women who our country above party and presidential interests. That’s the distinction we need to make here.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:32:12pm

re: #87 Belafon

Did you know it was the Democrats fault there isn’t more diversity among the GOP?

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It’s the Democrats fault that they aimed to be more inclusive and welcoming for people of all stripes, how dare them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:32:26pm

re: #87 Belafon

Did you know it was the Democrats fault there isn’t more diversity among the GOP?

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We won plenty of seats with men too. But sure Steve. Your party is just a rotting weisswurst that no one wants for breakfast.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:33:39pm

re: #84 Ace-o-aces

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Somebody didn’t listen to Stringer Bell.

Quoth Deepthroat. These guys aren’t very bright.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:36:42pm

“Yours til the ship sinks!” lol

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:36:47pm

I really hope CCJ’s meeting and King bring Scalise’s David Duke love back in the news. He didn’t deserve to be shot but he deserves to be hounded for being a David Duke admirer.

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gwangung  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:39:04pm

re: #16 Eclectic Cyborg

OT: Someone asked me about dealing with the character of Mohammed Atta in the historical fiction book I’m writing about the day before 9/11.

I struggled with that but ultimately decided to try and present him as accurately as possible. No glamorizing, no softening, no over humanizing. It’s actually not hard with him because he was an intense introvert who shut himself off from almost everyone and was known to show very few signs of love, affection or happiness.

His story also serves to contrast the other stories.

Good.

There was a godawful play, a MUSICAL, called BAD APPLES (by Beth Thornley and Rob Cairns) that had him as a character and played for laughs, and it was absolutely tasteless and BAD.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:39:15pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Because this entire administration and its associates are crooked. You are correct past right wing Presidents have been awful but the corruption is here, there, & everywhere. There are no Elliott Richardsons in this administration who have integrity. I’m sorry but you really I think do a disservice by acting like this is just business as usual for the right. It’s a crisis like never before and you’ll see exactly what I mean if Trump looks like he’ll have to leave.

Well, Reagan and Nixon are ahead of Trump on number of officials convicted (though Trump hasn’t had as long as they did). GHW Bush pardoned a bunch of Reagan’s convicted cronies.

I’m not seeing it. For all my life, this has been business as usual from the right. The only differences I see are A) Trump’s an idiot, and B) he’s not using the approved Lee Atwater dogwhistles.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:40:02pm

So much for “getting inside access” hahahah

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Talking Point Detective  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:40:44pm

If the BuzzFeed story is true, Mueller has corroborating evidence of Trump subborning perjury, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy to commit a crime (commit perjury).

Demz will have to impeach.

Will Republicans in the Senate stand behind a felon? Will they go with the “it’s just a process crime” to justify a felon (assuming there will be no evidence of conspiracy with Russia)?

They’re fucked either way. If they go into 2020 defending a felon-president in impeachment hearings, the Demz will get both houses of Congress and the WH. Romney will be the far right fringe of the Republican Party.

If they vote to convict Trump, they’re screwed the exact same way. The Republican Party will be dead for 15 years.

Good times.

Is the BuzzFeed story just too good to be true?

Is our long, national nightmare over?

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:41:37pm

re: #87 Belafon

Did you know it was the Democrats fault there isn’t more diversity among the GOP?

Because most women aren’t brain dead enough to run as conservatives. There really isn’t a nefarious plot here, Rep. Scalise, unless you’re arguing the Democrats run better campaigns than the GOP (in which case please proceed).

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:41:57pm
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austin_blue  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:43:02pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

I’d say we have some idea of why Donny appears to be scared shitless of Cohen testifying next month.

I’d say we have some idea of why he is scared shitless about Mueller. Cohen has spilled his guts.

This is absolutely an impeachable offense.

A dead, solid, perfect, impeachable offense.

He’s going to be impeached because of this. Whether the Senate convicts him is another question.

But it becomes clearer and clearer that the shutdown is devastating families, both within the Government and its Contractors, for the sole purpose of waving jazz hands and bullshitting the American people about POTUS’s crimes.

If a group of real patriots could rid us of this useless Senate Majority Leader, it would go a long way to restoring our democracy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:44:09pm

re: #95 Anymouse ??

Well, Reagan and Nixon are ahead of Trump on number of officials convicted (though Trump hasn’t had as long as they did). GHW Bush pardoned a bunch of Reagan’s convicted cronies.

I’m not seeing it. For all my life, this has been business as usual from the right. The only differences I see are A) Trump’s an idiot, and B) he’s not using the approved Lee Atwater dogwhistles.

You’re not getting me. Yes those other administrations had corruption including at the top but they also had people who did have integrity. A Saturday Night Massacre wouldn’t happen in this administration because Trump’s AG would fire Mueller immediately. I’m just stumped you can’t see this. I’m not defending right wing ideology but if you want to act like the corruption was as widespread as it is now, i really think you’re mistaken.

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CleverToad  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:45:19pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Aspiring novelist is more like it. I self published a short book on Amazon a few years back but last year on my birthday I made a goal to get three more published by the time I turn 40 (I’m 37).

The first of these is close to completion. It’s called Thirteen Stories and is a collection of short stories written in the first person about a group of people who all live in the same apartment building (the title of course, has a double meaning). I am on my fourth draft of that one and hope to get it released by the end of the summer.

Good wishes and best of luck to you! Let us know when it launches.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:48:12pm

Oh and another thing but as awful as Nixon, Reagan, & Bush were, Tricia, Maureen, & Jenna weren’t advising the President on matters they had no idea about. They(the Presidents)were awful but even they knew better than the shit Trump pulls with Ivanka and Jared and the boys. That doesn’t diminish that they were bad Presidents but more illustrates how bad this one is. Right wing Presidents are usually a nasty stomach ache or cold. This administration is appendicitis and a migrane and diarrhea all in one.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:49:35pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Oh and another thing but as awful as Nixon, Reagan, & Bush were, Tricia, Maureen, & Jenna weren’t advising the President on matters they had no idea about. They were awful but even they knew better than the shit Trump pulls with Ivanka and Jared and the boys. That doesn’t diminish that they were bad Presidents but more illustrates how bad this one is. Right wing Presidents are usually a nasty stomach ache or cold. This administration is appendicitis and a migrane and diarrhea all in one.

More like ebola

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:49:47pm

I’ll also point out that the Nixon DOJ did sue Trump and dad over the housing discrimination. Do we think that Whittaker or Carson give two shits about that happening now?

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Talking Point Detective  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:49:58pm

re: #100 austin_blue

This is fucking huge.

Maybe, there is only direct evidence of others in the Trump Org, but not him commiting these felonies. But he may still have to resign to cut a deal to protect Ivanka (he would probably throw junior under the bus - my guess is that he agrees that junior is a moron but he actually probably cares about Ivanka - in a creepy way, mind you).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:50:50pm

re: #104 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

More like ebola

That works too. The point is not the others weren’t bad. It’s that this one is really bad. HRC saw that from a mile away.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:52:14pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

You’re not getting me. Yes those other administrations had corruption including at the top but they also had people who did have integrity. A Saturday Night Massacre wouldn’t happen in this administration because Trump’s AG would fire Mueller immediately. I’m just stumped you can’t see this. I’m not defending right wing ideology but if you want to act like the corruption was as widespread as it is now, i really think you’re mistaken.

You mean just like Nixon’s AG fired Archibald Cox? I’m just stumped you can’t see this.

It’s not that the corruption is more widespread now; the corruption has been ongoing. When a convicted felon such as Oliver North is bounced out of conservative politics, they get a gig in Wingnut Welfare (the NRA in his case).

As for a person with integrity, in Nixon’s administration there was none, right until someone stepped up (Deep Throat).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:52:45pm

This has been an epic infrastructure week.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:53:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:57:11pm

re: #108 Anymouse ??

You mean just like Nixon’s AG fired Archibald Cox? I’m just stumped you can’t see this.

It’s not that the corruption is more widespread now; the corruption has been ongoing. When a convicted felon such as Oliver North is bounced out of conservative politics, they get a gig in Wingnut Welfare (the NRA in his case).

As for a person with integrity, in Nixon’s administration there was none, right until someone stepped up (Deep Throat).

You do know who fired Cox don’t you? It was Bork. Bork who was third in command at DOJ. Elliott Richardson and William Ruckelshaus who were AG and Deputy AG outright refused to fire him and that’s why they were in fact fired in the Saturday Night Massacre. Please with a straight face tell me that Whittaker or Barr and the current deputy AG would resign before firing Mueller. You’re wrong about this. You want to act like this administration isn’t an existential crisis, go ahead but at least Nixon never threatened there would be riots if he was impeached like Trump has. Nuance is totally lost on you when it comes to this because you want to act like every Republican has been the same and I can’t do that. That’s too black and white.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:57:21pm

re: #96 Myron Falwell

So much for “getting inside access” hahahah

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I wonder if potential sources consider Maggie untrustworthy, given her schmoozy relationship with Trump and his offspring. They might figure she’d either squeal on them somehow, or bury the evidence near the bottom of one of her paeans to Trump’s troubled psyche.Also, the NYT has not been exactly the most fair-minded of news sources in re: Trump and Clinton. Buzzfeed would be a better venue for anti-Trump revelations.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:58:45pm

re: #106 Talking Point Detective

This is fucking huge.

Maybe, there is only direct evidence of others in the Trump Org, but not him commiting these felonies. But he may still have to resign to cut a deal to protect Ivanka (he would probably throw junior under the bus - my guess is that he agrees that junior is a moron but he actually probably cares about Ivanka - in a creepy way, mind you).

Ivanka is directly implicated here in the Buzzfeed article as instructing to lie. I don’t know if there’s any way he can protect her even if he did resign.

Ivanka, Eric, Junior and Jared are all in deep shit right now. Trump can’t save them (by pardoning before the fact) without admitting a shitton of guilt, and even if Pence had the opportunity to pardon them all, I could see him letting them twist in the wind.

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austin_blue  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:59:10pm

re: #112 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I wonder if potential sources consider Maggie untrustworthy, given her schmoozy relationship with Trump and his offspring. They might figure she’d either squeal on them somehow, or bury the evidence near the bottom of one of her paeans to Trump’s troubled psyche.Also, the NYT has not been exactly the most fair-minded of news sources in re: Trump and Clinton. Buzzfeed would be a better venue for anti-Trump revelations.

Good point. Excellent point, actually.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 9:59:45pm

I’m not even defending Nixon, Reagan, and Bush. All of whom were awful Presidents but there isn’t a cabinet department in this administration that doesn’t have some form of rampant corruption and cronyism in it. I’m sorry but I cannot in good faith say that every cabinet member of Nixon, Reagan, and Bush were crooked. I likewise can’t say that the Trump administration has anyone ethical heading any cabinet department.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:03:20pm

I’ll drop this AM though because I know we disagree on this but I really sincerely would humbly advise you to realize that when I say this administration is uniquely awful, it’s not to praise past administrations, it’s to point out just how awful this one really is. TBH I can’t think of any Republican presidential candidate I would have voted for in my parents or even grandparents let alone my own so this isn’t coming from any real love of the Republican Party but more so acknowledgment that there were Republicans in past corrupt Republican administrations and Congresses that were willing to stand up. Someone like Lindsay Graham had the potential to maybe be a voice of reason but he’s done and gone acted like what many suspect he is, a blackmailed and bought hack.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:06:16pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

You do know who fired Cox don’t you? It was Bork. Bork who was third in command at DOJ. Elliott Richardson and William Ruckelshaus who were AG and Deputy AG outright refused to fire him. Please with a straight face tell me that Whittaker or Barr and the current deputy AG would resign before firing Mueller. You’re wrong about this. You want to act like this administration isn’t an extinction crisis, go ahead but at least Nixon never threatened there would be riots if he was impeached like Trump has. Nuance is totally lost on you when it comes to this because you want to act like every Republican has been the same and I can’t do that. That’s too black and white.

Yes, Bork fired Cox. Funny that, he was acting Attorney General.

Linda Chavez had to resign from the Reagan Administration when it was revealed she was a board member of US English (John Tanton’s first racist and anti-immigrant group).

While GW Bush is touted as being fair on immigration, it is noteworthy GW Bush put her in charge of his task force on immigration during the 2000 election (while she was still in Tanton’s organisation - now she contributes for FOX News).

I haven’t lost any nuance. Trump is a logical conclusion of the goals of Movement Conservative all my life. It isn’t black and white, it’s what they’ve been working toward ever since Nixon launched his Southern Strategy to lock up the racist vote for the GOP.

The idea of a wall on the Mexican border traces all the way back to a conservative governor in Georgia pre-Civil War, at a Klan meeting in St. Louis. Even that idea is not new. By its nature conservatism cannot generate new ideas.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:06:19pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

I’m not even defending Nixon, Reagan, and Bush. All of whom were awful Presidents but there isn’t a cabinet department in this administration that doesn’t have some form of rampant corruption and cronyism in it. I’m sorry but I cannot in good faith say that every cabinet member of Nixon, Reagan, and Bush were crooked. I likewise can’t say that the Trump administration has anyone ethical heading any cabinet department.

Those three (or four, since there were 2 Bushes) each had good and bad cabinet secretaries and executive staff. Trump has no one good. They are all incompetent, unqualified, crooked, and/or antagonistic toward the departments they head. It seems their only motivations are to rip off the Treasury and fuck up their departments. Even sleepy Ben Carson ordered a $15,000 office desk for no good reason and has been busy quietly dismantling HUD while everyone pays attention to all the other more visible shit going down.

So. yeah, there is no comparison between the Trump administration and any previous. This is the nadir of executive branches.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:07:38pm

If Trump wanted to fire Muller, he had his chance last year, when he kept bellyaching about it and threatening, but never acted on it.

Sure, he could direct Baldo McBaldyface to fire Muller, assuming he didn’t wrest oversight of the SCO away from Rod Rosenstein. And considering his competence issues, Baldo probably failed to do so.

This is a self-inflicted wound that Trump refused to treat when he had the opportunity. Trying to fire now would constitute a mulligan, one that he really doesn’t have.

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Talking Point Detective  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:09:13pm

re: #113 Myron Falwell

I don’t think we know yet the depth of complicitness for any of the players.

But I may not be able to sleep tonight because of the potential here. I figured there would be no actual Russian collusion and they would continue to doggy-paddle through this septic field like they have for two years, but this looks like multiple felonies. Even if they argue there is no underlying crime (e. g., “it’s not illegal to build a tower in Moscow.”), these are fucking felonies.

To defend Trump they will have to defend a felon. That will hurt.

The fact that he might be brought down by a third rate grifter makes it all just that more beautiful.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:10:06pm

re: #119 Myron Falwell

If Trump wanted to fire Muller, he had his chance last year, when he kept bellyaching about it and threatening, but never acted on it.

Sure, he could direct Baldo McBaldyface to fire Muller, assuming he didn’t wrest oversight of the SCO away from Rod Rosenstein. And considering his competence issues, Baldo probably failed to do so.

This is a self-inflicted wound that Trump refused to treat when he had the opportunity. Trying to fire now would constitute a mulligan, one that he really doesn’t have.

Not to mention the nationwide protests which would erupt immediately.
act.moveon.org

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:11:03pm

re: #117 Anymouse ??

Yes, Bork fired Cox. Funny that, he was acting Attorney General.

Linda Chavez had to resign from the Reagan Administration when it was revealed she was a board member of US English (John Tanton’s first racist and anti-immigrant group).

While GW Bush is touted as being fair on immigration, it is noteworthy GW Bush put her in charge of his task force on immigration during the 2000 election (while she was still in Tanton’s organisation - now she contributes for FOX News).

I haven’t lost any nuance. Trump is a logical conclusion of the goals of Movement Conservative all my life. It isn’t black and white, it’s what they’ve been working toward ever since Nixon launched his Southern Strategy to lock up the racist vote for the GOP.

The idea of a wall on the Mexican border traces all the way back to a conservative governor in Georgia pre-Civil War, at a Klan meeting in St. Louis. Even that idea is not new. By its nature conservatism cannot generate new ideas.

Yeah I’m convinced now that you don’t know your history. I’m sorry to come off dismissive but two members of Nixon’s DOJ resigned rather than fire Cox. Tell me, is there anyone in Trump’s administration would resign rather than fire Mueller? And that Georgia governor said that in the 20’s not pre-civil war. The Klan didn’t exist until after the Civil War ended. Again, where is the widespread corruption at every single cabinet department in previous adminisrations? You’re pointing out what I already have and have no problem acknowledging that corruption and bigotry have been a staple on right wing administrations. Where I dispute you is you wanting to act like this isn’t any different. Yes, it is. The president’s daughter is advising him on who should head the World Bank. The president is constantly raging if he doesn’t get his way. Again, my point remains this, it’s not that the past ones were NOT awful, it’s that this one is really fucking awful.

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piratedan  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:11:40pm

everyone has to remember the differences between Watergate and the Trump Treason Tales… back in Nixon’s time, the party was not in lockstep with the President, hence they could be mortified by Nixon’s crimes….

Fast forward to today, we already know that dark money dropped a whole lotta cash into the campaign coffers of McConnell, Rubio, Paul and Graham (that we know about)… now examining the deeper parts of the GOP bench, say for example that the Dems and Indies vote in unison to be 47, and it takes 60 to convict, can you find 13 Senators that would leave their party in the best interests of their country?

That’s even taking it under advisement that McConnell would even entertain putting it out there for discussion?

I can give you perhaps Murkowski, anyone else? with ethics? a spine? Is there anyone over there who isn’t tainted? Anyone who would challenge McConnell for Sen Maj Leader?

Maybe you can peel off some of the folks up in 2020, but based on their behavior thus far, I would have a hard time seeing it….

Now if Mueller has the goods on McConnell, then the whole sad sorry affair goes up in smoke and if they’ve done what we think they’ve done, well, life in prison is possibly too kind for that kind of betrayal….

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:11:51pm

Tomorrow will be Bette Davis time.

All of us need to fasten the seat belts ‘cause Friday really gonna be one hell of a bumpy ride!

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:13:07pm

re: #123 piratedan

I got a feeling that Mueller has the goods on McConnell, Graham, Ryan, Mc Carthy and Scalise among others.

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Talking Point Detective  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:13:30pm

re: #119 Myron Falwell

Klobuchar got Barr to say, in his testimony, that coaching a witness to lie under oath is obstruction of justice - whether it is a president or anyone else. Even firing Mueller won’t get Trump off the hook here.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:14:28pm

re: #118 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Those three (or four, since there were 2 Bushes) each had good and bad cabinet secretaries and executive staff. Trump has no one good. They are all incompetent, unqualified, crooked, and/or antagonistic toward the departments they head. It seems their only motivations are to rip off the Treasury and fuck up their departments. Even sleepy Ben Carson ordered a $15,000 office desk for no good reason and has been busy quietly dismantling HUD while everyone pays attention to all the other more visible shit going down.

So. yeah, there is no comparison between the Trump administration and any previous. This is nadir of executive branches.

That’s exactly what I’m trying to say here. And I’ll add another thing but Trump has repeatedly appointed men and women to head cabinets and agencies who have no desire running them but instead to weaken them. Yes, I know about past Republican education secretaries notably who have wanted to get rid of DOEdu but Roderick Paige wasn’t Betsy Devos. And then there’s the other elephant in the room, the Puerto Rico response. Bush awful President, let me state that again did not attempt to take funds from Hurricane Katrina relief and direct them to the Iraq War. His response to Katrina was awful no doubt but he never did anything like that. Ultimately, I’m trying to say what we’re dealing with here is the difference between something awful and holy shit out of this world awful.

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Targetpractice  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:14:44pm

re: #96 Myron Falwell

So much for “getting inside access” hahahah

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Not to worry, I’m sure Maggie’s gonna have a tweet or story tomorrow about how her inside sources tell her that Trump is angry…or sad…or miffed…or something.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:14:47pm

re: #119 Myron Falwell

If Trump wanted to fire Muller, he had his chance last year, when he kept bellyaching about it and threatening, but never acted on it.

Sure, he could direct Baldo McBaldyface to fire Muller, assuming he didn’t wrest oversight of the SCO away from Rod Rosenstein. And considering his competence issues, Baldo probably failed to do so.

This is a self-inflicted wound that Trump refused to treat when he had the opportunity. Trying to fire now would constitute a mulligan, one that he really doesn’t have.

That Trump has not tried to fire Mueller as yet is testimony to his indecisiveness and insecurity. He is out his depth and may even be worried about his “legacy,” such as it is, if he were to fire Mueller outright. It is also widely acknowledged that Trump, despite his TV persona, never fires anyone personally or to their face. He delegates it to someone else to bring the news, or drops the pink slip into a tweet. I am pretty sure he has asked his underlings if they would sack Mueller, and they have all told him no. So, Trump himself would have to do it, and he doesn’t have that kind of courage.

Besides, it would be an open admission that Trump is guilty or at the very least afraid.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:14:51pm

re: #118 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

So. yeah, there is no comparison between the Trump administration and any previous. This is the nadir of executive branches.

What seems to be lost in what I’m writing is that I’m not arguing Trump is not uniquely bad.

What I am arguing is that a Trump could not have appeared if the GOP had not been training their voters for just such a person, and prior administrations and congresses their own people building up to what we have now.

There are decades of Republican politicians going to jail for everything from graft and corruption to paedophilia.

Imagine a number line … Trump is the worst they’ve produced now. Remember back in the days it was said no one could be more awful than GW Bush? Or before him Nixon?

Trump could not have gotten here without their help. This wasn’t his first run at the presidency. It was his fourth.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:16:55pm

In regards to soon to be ex-Representative Tom Marino. Read the attached link to see how he worked hand in hand with FUCKING Orrin Hatch to weaken the DEA and let Oxycontin run wild.

washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:18:07pm

re: #123 piratedan

everyone has to remember the differences between Watergate and the Trump Treason Tales… back in Nixon’s time, the party was not in lockstep with the President, hence they could be mortified by Nixon’s crimes….

Fast forward to today, we already know that dark money dropped a whole lotta cash into the campaign coffers of McConnell, Rubio, Paul and Graham (that we know about)… now examining the deeper parts of the GOP bench, say for example that the Dems and Indies vote in unison to be 47, and it takes 60 to convict, can you find 13 Senators that would leave their party in the best interests of their country?

That’s even taking it under advisement that McConnell would even entertain putting it out there for discussion?

I can give you perhaps Murkowski, anyone else? with ethics? a spine? Is there anyone over there who isn’t tainted? Anyone who would challenge McConnell for Sen Maj Leader?

Maybe you can peel off some of the folks up in 2020, but based on their behavior thus far, I would have a hard time seeing it….

Now if Mueller has the goods on McConnell, then the whole sad sorry affair goes up in smoke and if they’ve done what we think they’ve done, well, life in prison is possibly too kind for that kind of betrayal….

That’s kind of what I’m getting at. Oh and the RNC in 1972 never attempted to do what Trump is doing with his re-election campaign to prevent anyone from challenging him in the primaries. Nixon’s primary challengers were doomed anyhow just like anyone who will Trump but the 1972 RNC to its credit didn’t do anything undermined to prevent such challenges from existing just like 4 years later, they didn’t do anything to prevent Ford from being challenged by Reagan or later when Buchanan primaried Bush Sr. Again right wing ideology sucks and I will always be proud to be a liberal but there’s nuance to this. There was in fact a time when I could trust Republicans to run some of the government without thinking there was an end game for themselves. I know longer have that faith. That doesn’t mean I think any of the Republican presidents whose presidencies I’ve lived under were any prize, it just means this one takes the cake for how awful it is.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:18:58pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m convinced now that you don’t know your history. I’m sorry to come off dismissive but two members of Nixon’s DOJ resigned rather than fire Cox. Tell me, is there anyone in Trump’s administration would resign rather than fire Mueller? And that Georgia governor said that in the 20’s not pre-civil war. The Klan didn’t exist until after the Civil War ended. Again, where is the widespread corruption at every single cabinet department in previous adminisrations? You’re pointing out what I already have and have no problem acknowledging that corruption and bigotry have been a staple on right wing administrations. Where I dispute you is you wanting to act like this isn’t any different. Yes, it is. The president’s daughter is advising him on who should head the World Bank. The president is constantly raging if he doesn’t get his way. Again, my point remains this, it’s not that the past ones were NOT awful, it’s that this one is really fucking awful.

Scratch “pre-.”

Did you miss all the corruption in Reagan’s cabinet?

As for people resigning rather than carry out orders they feel are unlawful, have you noticed the boards of resignations Rachel Maddow used to put up, until she had no more room?

Do you remember the outrage at Bill Clinton because his wife was advising him on health care policy?

Yes, this one is really awful, probably the worst of any. I didn’t dispute that. I simply pointed out he could not have gotten here without the historical context of every other corrupt Republican administration.

I think we’re coming at the same result from different directions here.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:20:42pm

re: #130 Anymouse ??

What seems to be lost in what I’m writing is that I’m not arguing Trump is not uniquely bad.

What I am arguing is that a Trump could not have appeared if the GOP had not been training their voters for just such a person, and prior administrations and congresses their own people building up to what we have now.

There are decades of Republican politicians going to jail for everything from graft and corruption to paedophilia.

Imagine a number line … Trump is the worst they’ve produced now. Remember back in the days it was said no one could be more awful than GW Bush? Or before him Nixon?

Trump could not have gotten here without their help. This wasn’t his first run at the presidency. It was his fourth.

Then frankly, you haven’t read anything I’ve said. I have often said that Trump is not the GOP’s illness, he is a symptom. And yeah maybe you’re right about the worst they’ve produced now but I’ll tell you this, I don’t trust Trump to understand what makes this country great. I think Nixon and Bush crooked and incompetent they were did have some understanding about our values as Americans. I can’t imagine either of them selling us out to a hostile foreign power for personal power.

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piratedan  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:21:39pm

re: #125 Joe Bacon ??

if he does, I would expect those indictments to drop first, because otherwise, I’m not sure that we have a chance of removing Trump via impeachment.

I’m not impressed by the GOP Senatorial bench, after all you have folks like Cotton, Ernst, McSally, Cornym, Romney, Caputo, Tillis, Sasse, Collins, Toomey, et al representing and I’m not sure that there’s an honest person among that crew, not to mention the rest of the nameless white band that comprise the remainder of that caucus.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:22:25pm

re: #123 piratedan

The Senate GOP is now fucked beyond belief. They put themselves in an unwinnable situation in which the Democrats are running rings around them non-stop. As the days go by, the resentment and anger toward the GOP is accelerating.

And now this… they’re even more fucked. The implications here are that the SCO will issue a whole host of charges against a lot of people for collusion, and that Trump has a litany of obviously impeachable offenses. And that the Senate is purposefully shutting down the government in an attempt to save Trump, an attempt that didn’t work and is costing them bigly.

You think Trump has it bad, Mitch McConnell is probably wishing right now that he wasn’t the majority leader.

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Targetpractice  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:23:32pm

re: #119 Myron Falwell

If Trump wanted to fire Muller, he had his chance last year, when he kept bellyaching about it and threatening, but never acted on it.

Sure, he could direct Baldo McBaldyface to fire Muller, assuming he didn’t wrest oversight of the SCO away from Rod Rosenstein. And considering his competence issues, Baldo probably failed to do so.

This is a self-inflicted wound that Trump refused to treat when he had the opportunity. Trying to fire now would constitute a mulligan, one that he really doesn’t have.

I genuinely don’t think any of us, looking back at the way this whole scandal has unfolded, could have predicted that a lawsuit over a pay-off to a porn star would lead to Donny’s chief fixer turning into one of Mueller’s star witnesses. Hell, had I come out 2 years ago and said “Cohen will end up being the key to the whole case,” people would have probably rolled their eyes and assumed I was high. One of Donny’s inner circle turning on him in exchange for a light prison sentence? Wouldn’t happen, he’d sooner take his chances with a pardon than spill the beans.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:24:18pm

re: #133 Anymouse ??

Scratch “pre-.”

Did you miss all the corruption in Reagan’s cabinet?

As for people resigning rather than carry out orders they feel are unlawful, have you noticed the boards of resignations Rachel Maddow used to put up, until she had no more room?

Do you remember the outrage at Bill Clinton because his wife was advising him on health care policy?

Yes, this one is really awful, probably the worst of any. I didn’t dispute that. I simply pointed out he could not have gotten here without the historical context of every other corrupt Republican administration.

I think we’re coming at the same result from different directions here.

Fair enough. I do understand what you’re saying and it so happens I agree that he got there with help. Trump wasn’t organic. He definitely didn’t come out of nowhere but the corruption and Trump’s outright disdain for our values I really think makes him stand out. The others could at least give some lip service to that. Trump has outright said he admires dictators more than his opposition. I just can’t see his predecessors saying that.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:25:58pm

re: #135 piratedan

if he does, I would expect those indictments to drop first, because otherwise, I’m not sure that we have a chance of removing Trump via impeachment.

I’m not impressed by the GOP Senatorial bench, after all you have folks like Cotton, Ernst, McSally, Cornym, Romney, Caputo, Tillis, Sasse, Collins, Toomey, et al representing and I’m not sure that there’s an honest person among that crew, not to mention the rest of the nameless white band that comprise the remainder of that caucus.

And I guess that’s what I mean when I say things are different. If this latest revelation is substantiated by tons of fact to back it up, I can’t imagine any GOP Senator having the courage to tell Trump to resign. Some of those Republican Senators of the 70’s I think would have.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:26:36pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

Then frankly, you haven’t read anything I’ve said. I have often said that Trump is not the GOP’s illness, he is a symptom. And yeah maybe you’re right about the worst they’ve produced now but I’ll tell you this, I don’t trust Trump to understand what makes this country great. I think Nixon and Bush crooked and incompetent they were did have some understanding about our values as Americans. I can’t imagine either of them selling us out to a hostile foreign power for personal power.

We’re primarily in agreement, just differing on details.

I don’t see how ordering people to break into Daniel Elison’s psychiatrist’s office or the DNC is “understanding about our values as Americans.” Bush’s statement on Iraq of “you’re with us, or you’re against us” isn’t exactly American values as I understand them either.

I can’t imagine them selling us out to a foreign power either, but they weren’t beholden to foreign powers when they took office.

I guess I’ll have to end here.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:28:41pm

re: #130 Anymouse ??

What seems to be lost in what I’m writing is that I’m not arguing Trump is not uniquely bad.

What I am arguing is that a Trump could not have appeared if the GOP had not been training their voters for just such a person, and prior administrations and congresses their own people building up to what we have now.

There are decades of Republican politicians going to jail for everything from graft and corruption to paedophilia.

Imagine a number line … Trump is the worst they’ve produced now. Remember back in the days it was said no one could be more awful than GW Bush? Or before him Nixon?

Trump could not have gotten here without their help. This wasn’t his first run at the presidency. It was his fourth.

Trump succeeded this time in his run for a variety of reasons. He had a lot of help from the Russians. The other Republican candidates were all colorless and nearly interchangeable. They could not command (and manipulate) their audience as well as Trump can. Hillary was extremely well qualified, but even she could not compete in the audience manipulation department. Plus, there was an ongoing anti-HRC media campaign that no doubt deprived her of a lot of votes. Then, we have Sanders and Stein taking votes away from HRC. And the Electoral College finagling. And Trump’s realization that he could be every racist’s dream candidate.

Maybe the Republican plan for the last 30-40 years has been to find a Trump-like candidate and install him in the White House, but what they got this time was an albatross around their necks. Smarter people in the party would have rigged the nomination process to avoid giving Trump the nod. There’s some evidence that is what he himself wanted and expected, so he could spin that into a new TV service and years of personal appearances. Instead, they let him become the nominee and to nearly everyone’s surprise, the fucker won the election.

I am sure the GOP wanted a candidate with all the proper conservative credentials. Trump was the next best thing, and so far he’s tried to deliver to the GOP everything they apparently wanted. Just not the ongoing criminal investigations, indictments and convictions that he brought with him.

The GOP bet on the wrong horse.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:29:58pm

re: #135 piratedan

if he does, I would expect those indictments to drop first, because otherwise, I’m not sure that we have a chance of removing Trump via impeachment.

I agree.

Devin Nunes will clearly be the first to fall, we know outright that there’s an investigation on him. No one in the House or Senate should feel immune, quite frankly.

I’m not impressed by the GOP Senatorial bench, after all you have folks like Cotton, Ernst, McSally, Cornym, Romney, Caputo, Tillis, Sasse, Collins, Toomey, et al representing and I’m not sure that there’s an honest person among that crew, not to mention the rest of the nameless white band that comprise the remainder of that caucus.

Even if there wasn’t the specter of widespread corruption that’s enveloped their party, they’d be the least impressive lot you could ever find.

It just so happens that McSally, Cornyn, Ernst and Collins are up for reelection next year… assuming they don’t turn tail and flee for the hills.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:32:41pm

re: #140 Anymouse ??

We’re primarily in agreement, just differing on details.

I don’t see how ordering people to break into Daniel Elison’s psychiatrist’s office or the DNC is “understanding about our values as Americans.” Bush’s statement on Iraq of “you’re with us, or you’re against us” isn’t exactly American values as I understand them either.

I can’t imagine them selling us out to a foreign power either, but they weren’t beholden to foreign powers when they took office.

I guess I’ll have to end here.

I think you answered my question there. I can’t imagine Nixon, Reagan, or Bush being beholden to a foreign power. You do make a legitimate point about what they did to Ellsburg. Again all I’m trying to say is that their appointees did include some decent men and women. Nixon’s DOI did a lot for the environment and Native Americans. Zinke? ZInke could give two shits about the environment and indingeous peoples. Yeah there are some lifers in these departments who do try to do the right thing since they know the mission of their departments and agencies and actually give a damn but the Trump appointees are from top to bottom with no exception I can think of crooked people either mostly interested in destroying the mission of their department and or profitting as much as they could from it. I genuinely don’t think all of the past Republican cabinet secretaries were that craven. Definitely doesn’t mean that I would appoint them myself but that some of them anyhow were decent folks who just had a different way of running that department and agency than my ideal administrator would. We do agree more than we disagree on this because I 100% agree with you that past Republican presidents, years of right wing propaganda, and the GOP’s refusal to do anything about bigotry in their base is why we have Trump today and it’s a scary thought for me that they could produce someone wores than Trump and they just might succeed in doing that. But if they do, I hope the left is ready and not taking the process we hopefully do make from 2021-early 2029 for granted.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:33:05pm

re: #137 Targetpractice

I genuinely don’t think any of us, looking back at the way this whole scandal has unfolded, could have predicted that a lawsuit over a pay-off to a porn star would lead to Donny’s chief fixer turning into one of Mueller’s star witnesses. Hell, had I come out 2 years ago and said “Cohen will end up being the key to the whole case,” people would have probably rolled their eyes and assumed I was high. One of Donny’s inner circle turning on him in exchange for a light prison sentence? Wouldn’t happen, he’d sooner take his chances with a pardon than spill the beans.

It’s more like a story of how Mafia bosses get taken down by some schnook way down the organization who decides to sing to the cops about what he’s done and seen. One thing leads to another and boom! The boss is in prison.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:34:40pm

re: #144 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Given Trump’s close professional relations with the mob in NY and NJ, the comparison is quite fitting.

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Jason Munro  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:34:44pm

So many times I have read the breaking news here and thought “OH shit, trump is done”. But like the John Oliver “we got him” bit, nothing actually happens. Will it be different this time? Hell I don’t know. It fucking should be. It fucking should have been a long fucking time ago. What I really fear is that before the vise closes on Trump he will do something really terrible that makes tearing kids from their parents and putting them in cages seem benign by comparison. I hope I’m wrong about that. Fuck Trump and fuck the complicit GOP that supports him. /end-rant

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:34:47pm

re: #144 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It’s more like a story of how Mafia bosses get taken down by some schnook way down the organization who decides to sing to the cops about what he’s done and seen. One thing leads to another and boom! The boss is in prison.

He really does act like a Mafia Don more than a President. I wonder if he still has ties to the Five Families and if he’s let them in on anything.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:36:25pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

He really does act like a Mafia Don more than a President. I wonder if he still has ties to the Five Families and if he’s let them in on anything.

Undoubtedly. And the Russian mob is bigger in the NY Metro area now than the Five Families. There’s a lot of overlap between Russian organized crime and the oligarchs.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:36:33pm

I guess AM I do see what you mean, what’s the difference between a 50% F and 5% F really in the grand scheme of things? I just think there are things that are unique about Trump’s presidency and the man himself that make this administration particularly dreadful to me.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:37:21pm

re: #148 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Undoubtedly. And the Russian mob is bigger in the NY Metro area now than the Five Families. There’s a lot of overlap between Russian organized crime and the oligarchs.

Oh tons of it. I do need to read more about the Russian syndicate that said.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:38:36pm

re: #142 Myron Falwell

I agree.

Devin Nunes will clearly be the first to fall, we know outright that there’s an investigation on him. No one in the House or Senate should feel immune, quite frankly.

Even if there wasn’t the specter of widespread corruption that’s enveloped their party, they’d be the least impressive lot you could ever find.

It just so happens that McSally, Cornyn, Ernst and Collins are up for reelection next year… assuming they don’t turn tail and flee for the hills.

Sasse is up next year as well. So far it’s looking like the very popular Democratic mayor of Lincoln is exploring a run against him. The GOP city council pushed a term-limit requirement on the mayor to prevent him from running again next year in that race, so now he’s aiming at Sasse.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:42:39pm

re: #151 Anymouse ??

Sasse is up next year as well. So far it’s looking like the very popular Democratic mayor of Lincoln is exploring a run against him. The GOP city council pushed a term-limit requirement on the mayor to prevent him from running again next year in that race, so now he’s aiming at Sasse.

Good. The Lincoln Mayor will obviously be an underdog but Sasse needs to be reminded that he’s not an independent voice but an enabler. Fortunately for you, I think he may find himself trying too hard to show bonafides for Trump or he might do something else and really offend the Trump base and diminish the Republican support for him. I don’t know Sasse’s weak points but I’d definitely do something similiar to what got Jen Wexton elected in my district, point that even though he attempts to distance himself from Trump, he’s a reliable vote for the Trump agenda. May be a little tougher though since Trump is more popular in your state than he was in my district but you never know.

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Targetpractice  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:45:04pm

re: #144 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It’s more like a story of how Mafia bosses get taken down by some schnook way down the organization who decides to sing to the cops about what he’s done and seen. One thing leads to another and boom! The boss is in prison.

He’s being taken down in the classic fashion for mob bosses: Some “nobody” with access to all the books turned stoolie in exchange for immunity from their own crimes. With Capone, it was a bookie who had the records of all his tax cheating. With Gotti, it was an underboss who got pissed after hearing wiretaps where Gotti insulted him and talked about the murders they’d been involved in. With Trump, it’ll be a lawyer who got hung out to dry after helping get his boss in the White House.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:45:11pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Well, Ryan Zinke has James Watt beat for corrupt Interior Secretary, that’s for sure.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:46:52pm

re: #154 Anymouse ??

Well, Ryan Zinke has James Watt beat for corrupt Interior Secretary, that’s for sure.

Yeah and you’re right about the Reagan administration, they had some real doozies. One thing I hope with a new generation of historians is how crooked the Reagan administration really was gets analyzed more. It was just as much if not more than the Nixon one but Reagan was able to survive IMO because he had charisma and was thus popular with the media in a way Nixon was not. Makes me wonder if Nixon felt any jealously seeing Reagan escape Iran Contra.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:47:47pm

Watt thinking about it, that nut thought the Beach Boys were too radical. I like the Beach Boys but come on, they’re like the most American band you can think of and their music is only offensive to you if you think music is sinful which I guess Watt probably did.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:48:43pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

Good. The Lincoln Mayor will obviously be an underdog but Sasse needs to be reminded that he’s not an independent voice but an enabler. Fortunately for you, I think he may find himself trying too hard to show bonafides for Trump or he might do something else and really offend the Trump base and diminish the Republican support for him. I don’t know Sasse’s weak points but I’d definitely do something similiar to what got Jen Wexton elected in my district, point that even though he attempts to distance himself from Trump, he’s a reliable vote for the Trump agenda. May be a little tougher though since Trump is more popular in your state than he was in my district but you never know.

I am not sure of Sen. Sasse’s weak points either, other than him writing a state-wide op ed positioning himself as a never Trumper during Trump’s primary, then voting for everything Trump wants. Sasse also never seems to come back to the state to talk to the constituents, nor does he hold telephonic town halls. (His accessibility might be a point of weakness, and Beto O’Rourke in Texas showed what being accessible to the voters can do for an underdog candidate.)

What would help would be greater voter turn-out in the three largest cities (Omaha, Lincoln, and South Sioux).

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:49:51pm

re: #154 Anymouse ??

Well, Ryan Zinke has James Watt beat for corrupt Interior Secretary, that’s for sure.

Still remember Watt’s crowning achievement banning the Beach Boys from the 4th of July on the Mall celebration and replacing them with Wayne Newton and The Army Blues Band.

And I had to sit in a pew of my crazy aunt’s church and listen to the Pulpit Pimp Preacher do the backwards masking on a Beach Boys record…I heard gibberish but the Pulpit Pimp exclaimed that Gawd gave him a Word of Knowledge that the backwards recording said “We Worship Satan And Drink His Blood”

BTW, the Pulpit Pimp was Paul Risser. Google him and see what a crook he was when he took over the Foursquare churches!

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:50:03pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:52:11pm

re: #146 Jason Munro

So many times I have read the breaking news here and thought “OH shit, trump is done”. But like the John Oliver “we got him” bit, nothing actually happens. Will it be different this time? Hell I don’t know. It fucking should be. It fucking should have been a long fucking time ago. What I really fear is that before the vise closes on Trump he will do something really terrible that makes tearing kids from their parents and putting them in cages seem benign by comparison. I hope I’m wrong about that. Fuck Trump and fuck the complicit GOP that supports him. /end-rant

On the contrary, Robert Muller has been heading the Special Counsel’s office for a little over 18 months, plus a few extra weeks when the FBI investigated him as a Russian asset.

That we are already at THIS point in a very long and detailed investigation is rather stunning. I personally expected this to come by April or June, but not in mid-January.

And if Buzzfeed is leaking it, that means that the SCO has even more damning information that can be corroborated and verified that will be way worse.

Plus I have a gut feeling that another leak will come out Friday and/or Saturday that’s even worse than this.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:52:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:52:32pm

re: #157 Anymouse ??

I am not sure of Sen. Sasse’s weak points either, other than him writing a state-wide op ed positioning himself as a never Trumper during Trump’s primary, then voting for everything Trump wants. Sasse also never seems to come back to the state to talk to the constituents, nor does he hold telephonic town halls. (His accessibility might be a point of weakness, and Beto O’Rourke in Texas showed what being accessible to the voters can do for an underdog candidate.)

What would help would be greater voter turn-out in the three largest cities (Omaha, Lincoln, and South Sioux).

So yeah I would advise that the mayor travel throughout the state ala Beto and do what he can to increase turn out in the cities. I think we may have discovered his weakness though. Bad constituent service. Anyhow hope the mayor does good. I have no personal connections to the state but I love it when a state surprises like Alabama did for us and I’ve been that state that surprises everyone too. I still remember when Webb, asshole he is defeated George Allen and ruined his presidential aspirations. I can’t stand Webb, he’s an egotistical asshole but I’ll always appreciate that he prevented the rest of the country from getting to know George Allen as well as we do and then Tim Kaine seven years ago delivered the final blow when Kaine beat him by even more. Allen is finished politically in Virginia and even if he ran again would no doubt lose.

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Jason Munro  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:54:02pm

re: #160 Myron Falwell

I hope you are right!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:54:37pm

re: #158 Joe Bacon ??

Still remember Watt’s crowning achievement banning the Beach Boys from the 4th of July on the Mall celebration and replacing them with Wayne Newton and The Army Blues Band.

And I had to sit in a pew of my crazy aunt’s church and listen to the Pulpit Pimp Preacher do the backwards masking on a Beach Boys record…I heard gibberish but the Pulpit Pimp exclaimed that Gawd gave him a Word of Knowledge that the backwards recording said “We Worship Satan And Drink His Blood”

BTW, the Pulpit Pimp was Paul Risser. Google him and see what a crook he was when he took over the Foursquare churches!

I thought it was a nice moment that then VP Bush stood up for the Beach Boys but man how big of a tightwad was Watt to have been offended by the Beach Boys ffs. Like yeah I would find it tacky and right winger being sensitive if it had been The Ramones though I could at least understand given some of their lyrical content but The Beach Boys, come on man. And the funny thing is Mike Love has a reputation for being a wingnut. Not sure what Brian’s politics are or the other brothers were or Jardine.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:55:31pm

re: #161 Anymouse ??

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Yeah that offended Mullah Watt hahaha. Seriously I like the Beach Boys but I wouldn’t call their musical lyrics edgy. Brian did some very cool things with instrumentation though.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:58:30pm

re: #158 Joe Bacon ??

BTW, the Pulpit Pimp was Paul Risser. Google him and see what a crook he was when he took over the Foursquare churches!

Hm. He died in 2004.

I can’t seem to find much on him except the Church of the Foursquare Gospel praising him as a returned sinner to the fold, and a lot of Christian apologetics sites calling that church “no true Christians.”

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:58:45pm

I bet Tweetler is still awake screaming for his phone so he can tweet to his heart’s content.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:58:53pm

When are we finding out where the parties are holding their conventions btw? I dunno. Call me crazy but maybe Phoenix wouldn’t be a bad idea for the Dems. I see an opening in Arizona and we just won a Senate seat there. It unfortunately does get brutally hot there in the summers. I’m thinking Southwest, Midwest, or Upper South though. Don’t like the idea of Boston, New York, or Chicago since those are all in states we’ll win blindfolded.

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austin_blue  Jan 17, 2019 • 10:59:39pm

re: #137 Targetpractice

I genuinely don’t think any of us, looking back at the way this whole scandal has unfolded, could have predicted that a lawsuit over a pay-off to a porn star would lead to Donny’s chief fixer turning into one of Mueller’s star witnesses. Hell, had I come out 2 years ago and said “Cohen will end up being the key to the whole case,” people would have probably rolled their eyes and assumed I was high. One of Donny’s inner circle turning on him in exchange for a light prison sentence? Wouldn’t happen, he’d sooner take his chances with a pardon than spill the beans.

This is an excellent point, in that we didn’t believe, two + years ago, that the tRump organization was an actual, physical RICO entity. We didn’t think he was that smart (or stupid).

What is becoming perfectly clear, now, is that it is, and was, exactly that. After his several bankruptcies, he decided that using his real estate assets as opportunities to launder foreign money was a winning way to go forward. And Cohen was his whore and fixer, even before Congress.

This is an absolute disaster for him. His whore has spilled the beans to Mueller.

He’s dead meat.

Night all, I’m hoping for sweet scaly dreams and a complete explosion tomorrow for this shitshow of an administration. It’s about damn time and is the only hope to take back our Republic.

At this point I don’t think we need to Resist, I only think we need to watch it all fall apart.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:01:01pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

When are we finding out where the parties are holding their conventions btw? I dunno. Call me crazy but maybe Phoenix wouldn’t be a bad idea for the Dems. I see an opening in Arizona and we just won a Senate seat there. It unfortunately does get brutally hot there in the summers. I’m thinking Southwest, Midwest, or Upper South though. Don’t like the idea of Boston, New York, or Chicago since those are all in states we’ll win blindfolded.

Omaha. [ducks]

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:01:24pm

re: #169 austin_blue

This is an excellent point, in that we didn’t believe, two + years ago, that the tRump organization was an actual, physical RICO entity. We didn’t think he was that smart (or stupid).

What is becoming perfectly clear, now, is that it is, and was, exactly that. After his several bankruptcies, he decided that using his real estate assets as opportunities to launder foreign money was a winning way to go forward. And Cohen was his whore and fixer, even before Congress.

This is an absolute disaster for him. His whore has spilled the beans to Mueller.

He’s dead meat.

Night all, I’m hoping for sweet scaly dreams and a complete explosion tomorrow for this shitshow of an administration. It’s about damn time and is the only hope to take back our Republic.

At this point I don’t think we need to Resist, I only think we need to watch it all fall apart.

I wonder if Bob Blakey, the brain behind RICO would think of that with Trump. I won’t at all to pretend to be an expert on RICO but from what I learned about in Selwynn Raab’s excellent book on the Five Families, I think it could be used on Trump and his cronies.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:02:31pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

When are we finding out where the parties are holding their conventions btw? I dunno. Call me crazy but maybe Phoenix wouldn’t be a bad idea for the Dems. I see an opening in Arizona and we just won a Senate seat there. It unfortunately does get brutally hot there in the summers. I’m thinking Southwest, Midwest, or Upper South though. Don’t like the idea of Boston, New York, or Chicago since those are all in states we’ll win blindfolded.

Hey, the Republicans could convene in Atlantic City where there’s a nice big abandoned building just waiting for them!

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:03:43pm

Actually, Omaha might not be such a bad place. It has the facilities for such a large convention, it went for Obama in 2008 (delivering one electoral vote to the Democrats), and it’s right on the edge of Steve King’s district. (For that matter, Carter Lake, Iowa, the little Iowa town completely surrounded by Omaha, is part of Steve King’s district.)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:04:03pm

re: #170 Anymouse ??

Omaha. [ducks]

I dunno. I think you need a city in a region we’ve shown some promise in lately. I really thought that Clinton was going to flip Arizona but I was wrong unfortunately.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:05:11pm

re: #173 Anymouse ??

Actually, Omaha might not be such a bad place. It has the facilities for such a large convention, it went for Obama in 2008 (delivering one electoral vote to the Democrats), and it’s right on the edge of Steve King’s district. (For that matter, Carter Lake, Iowa, the little Iowa town completely surrounded by Omaha, is part of Steve King’s district.)

Knowing it has the facilities does make me a little more open minded. And if it would play a role in getting that Nazi fuck to go bye bye, I’d take it. I don’t care where it is. I’m not going to the convention.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:05:42pm

“lynch”
Yeah, calling a racist scumbag out is equivalent to a lynching.
These fucker can’t help but don their robes and hoods for all to see

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:06:49pm

re: #172 Joe Bacon ??

Hey, the Republicans could convene in Atlantic City where there’s a nice big abandoned building just waiting for them!

Hah! I think AC has had a convention once and that was 1964. I really thought the Dems had the right ideas in 2008 with Denver and Charlotte in 2012. We won Colorado in 2008 but lost NC in 2012 but those are both in regions correctly seen as places we should be focused on. Obviously we want to be everywhere but the EC the way it is means some places unfortunately get more attentio than others.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:08:45pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I think you need a city in a region we’ve shown some promise in lately. I really thought that Clinton was going to flip Arizona but I was wrong unfortunately.

Iowa (across the river from Omaha) now has three Democratic representatives. Grassley is about to retire from office, Ben Sasse is up for re?lection, Ernst is up for re?lection and tied to Steve King. Iowa’s governor is not up for re?lection in 2020, nor is Nebraska’s.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:08:55pm

re: #176 FormerDirtDart ????

“lynch”
Yeah, calling a racist scumbag out is equivalent to a lynching.
These fucker can’t help but don their robes and hoods for all to see

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“Lynching” Motherfucker please. The stupid racist fuck can be as racist as he likes but that doesn’t mean he can associate with members of Congress and not be called out on it. Funny how people who think actual lynching wasn’t so bad think their shitty views called out is akin to lynching. And the fucking asshole is a Holocaust denier who has threatened violence on those he dislikes. Poe and Harris should absolutely be slammed for meeting him.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:09:42pm

Peter Paul and Mary / This Land Is Your Land / Photos-T.Kwok

That includes us immigrants, naturalized citizen or mere green card holders.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:09:52pm

re: #178 Anymouse ??

Iowa (across the river from Omaha) now has three Democratic representatives. Grassley is about to retire from office, Ben Sasse is up for re?lection, Ernst is up for re?lection and tied to Steve King. Iowa’s governor is not up for re?lection in 2020, nor is Nebraska’s.

That’s why I’m more keen on it. Hey it’s worth suggesting. I’d be surprised if it was the pick personally but it would be a better choice than Boston was in 2004.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:11:55pm

One of the Texas cities could be a good idea too TBH. El Paso would be a brilliant fuck you to those who fearmonger about the border though I do like AM’s Omaha suggestion because it would shut those assholes up who insist Dems don’t care about so called flyover country.

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ckkatz  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:12:11pm

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

LOL.

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

Grrr… I cannot see the tweet that Moulitsas is referencing. I tried clicking on the date of the displayed tweet, going to his time line, and editing the url without any luck. Has it been removed and I am too late? Do I need to …shudder… join twitter to see it?

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:14:08pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

That’s why I’m more keen on it. Hey it’s worth suggesting. I’d be surprised if it was the pick personally but it would be a better choice than Boston was in 2004.

Until recently NE-2 (Omaha) had a Democratic representative. The current representative (Don Bacon-R) is mostly a cypher in Congress.

The only bill I am aware of him proposing was one to issue Gold Star parents special cards to access military facilities on behalf of their dependent children who have military benefits. Interestingly, my rep Adrian Smith opposed it (on the grounds that issuing ID cards to military widows and widowers would be too expensive to allow them to exercise the benefits for their children the law allows).

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:17:02pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

One of the Texas cities could be a good idea too TBH. El Paso would be a brilliant fuck you to those who fearmonger about the border though I do like AM’s Omaha suggestion because it would shut those assholes up who insist Dems don’t care about so called flyover country.

El Paso would be an excellent choice. Texas is often characterised as not a red state, but a non-voting state. Brownsville might also be good if they have the facilities.

If you take Texas out of the Republican column, there is no realistic path for the Republicans to win a presidential election.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:17:40pm

Lre: #184 Anymouse ??

Until recently NE-2 (Omaha) had a Democratic representative. The current representative (Don Bacon-R) is mostly a cypher in Congress.

The only bill I am aware of him proposing was one to issue Gold Star parents special cards to access military facilities on behalf of their dependent children who have military benefits. Interestingly, my rep Adrian Smith opposed it (on the grounds that issuing ID cards to military widows and widowers would be too expensive to allow them to exercise the benefits for their children the law allows).

Smith sounds really awful. Bacon a brief Wikj search doesn’t seem as awful. Supports DACA apparently. That said any Democratic candidate would be better.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:19:26pm

re: #185 Anymouse ??

El Paso would be an excellent choice. Texas is often characterised as not a red state, but a non-voting state. Brownsville might also be good if they have the facilities.

If you take Texas out of the Republican column, there is no realistic path for the Republicans to win a presidential election.

I was shocked seeing how big El Paso is. I just don’t know it’s infrastructure situation. Usually you want a city with a big enough airport and good public transit tho Uber and Lift sort of change that.

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ckkatz  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:20:17pm

My main thought from last thread:

Jackson Browne - Lives in the Balance

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:22:37pm

Anyhow I need sleep.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:24:38pm

re: #183 ckkatz

Grrr… I cannot see the tweet that Moulitsas is referencing. I tried clicking on the date of the displayed tweet, going to his time line, and editing the url without any luck. Has it been removed and I am too late? Do I need to …shudder… join twitter to see it?

Moulitsas deleted his tweet. So, you’ll never be able to figure what he was referring to. Unless someone did a screen grab

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:25:08pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

L

Smith sounds really awful. Bacon a brief Wikj search doesn’t seem as awful. Supports DACA apparently. That said any Democratic candidate would be better.

Adrian “I only represent Republicans” Smith.

In 2014 and 2016, the Nebraska Democratic Party ran no candidate for office in my district. In 2018, with Jane Kleeb at the helm, the NDP launched a recruitment drive for candidates for every seat in the state. We didn’t achieve that, but we ran the most candidates in history, flipping a whole bunch of seats.

Paul Theobald ran as Smith’s opponent. That forced Smith to actually come back to NE-3 and campaign. While Smith won by a wide margin, Mr. Theobald running was refreshing.

Here in my own county, two Democratic women ousted two Republican men on the Bayard school board. A Democratic last-minute write-in candidate trampled the incumbent Republican mayor about 8 to 1.

We’re not hopeless here, we just have to get our crap together. Jane Kleeb is an excellent organiser (as shown by the Bold Nebraska organisation she founded to oppose the Keystone XL pipeline, which still has no route through Nebraska, thanks to a combination of court challenges and ingenuous plans such as ranchers donating their lands to conservation trusts).

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:28:11pm

re: #24 FormerDirtDart ????

Rep. Tom Marino (R-Pa.)
In Nov. he took the PA-12 seat by 22%. Not sure that can be flipped.
But, as Alabama taught us, anything is possible

So did Utah this time around. What’s Mia Love up to lately?

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:44:28pm

re: #183 ckkatz

Grrr… I cannot see the tweet that Moulitsas is referencing. I tried clicking on the date of the displayed tweet, going to his time line, and editing the url without any luck. Has it been removed and I am too late? Do I need to …shudder… join twitter to see it?

Markos screen shotted a bunch of Vogel’s milquetoast hack-ass fuckery over the last few years like the ones below and said something snarky about shit like this being why we’re here:

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freetoken  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:48:15pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:50:27pm

re: #193 goddamnedfrank

Markos screen shotted a bunch of Vogel’s milquetoast hack-ass fuckery over the last few years like the ones below and said something snarky about shit like this being why we’re here:

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Don’t know if this has been mentioned yet, but BuzzFeed News reports that Mueller has proof that Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress about the Trump Tower Moscow deal. If true, this is the biggest story of the year; direct evidence of obstruction of justice which doesn’t involve Trump exercising his constitutional powers as chief executive.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:51:48pm

re: #108 Anymouse ??

You mean just like Nixon’s AG fired Archibald Cox? I’m just stumped you can’t see this.

Coxsacker

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Anymouse ??  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:54:54pm

“Prophetic Voice” Mark Taylor (Christian radio host) was interviewed, claiming the 2018 election was a plan to expose voter fraud, and “we have the Senate, so they can’t impeach Trump.”

(Goes to Utah Outcasts, caution for coarse language, 8:48)

Mark Taylor Claims Midterms Were a Trap to Expose Voter Fraud

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:55:39pm

re: #137 Targetpractice

I genuinely don’t think any of us, looking back at the way this whole scandal has unfolded, could have predicted that a lawsuit over a pay-off to a porn star would lead to Donny’s chief fixer turning into one of Mueller’s star witnesses. .

It was not the porn star or the payoff per se, but rather the fact that it constituted a blatant violation of campaign funding law. Jeez it’s not as if DT could not have just paid this out-of-pocket…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:57:18pm

re: #141 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I am sure the GOP wanted a candidate with all the proper conservative credentials. Trump was the next best thing, and so far he’s tried to deliver to the GOP everything they apparently wanted. Just not the ongoing criminal investigations, indictments and convictions that he brought with him.

The GOP bet on the wrong horse.

They needed someone to beat Hilary and he was the only one who could fire up their rabid base enough to guarantee a 30% base to build on.

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ckkatz  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:58:25pm

re: #190 FormerDirtDart ????

Moulitsas deleted his tweet. So, you’ll never be able to figure what he was referring to. Unless someone did a screen grab

Aha! Thanks! I don’t feel so bad now.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:59:11pm

re: #192 Anymouse ??

So did Utah this time around. What’s Mia Love up to lately?

Sorry, but that’s a bit of a false comparison.
The UT-4 is historically closer to a leans R than the 2016 results that skewed the data showing it as a strong R. The seat has only existed for 4 elections cycles, with Dem victories as bookends. Prior to that much of the area was the UT-2, which prior to redistricting and adding the 4th was held by a Dem for the previous 6 election cycles.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:59:12pm

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was not the porn star or the payoff per se, but rather the fact that it constituted a blatant violation of campaign funding law. Jeez it’s not as if DT could not have just paid this out-of-pocket…

But I think even that would’ve been a contribution to his own campaign that Trump would’ve had to report.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 17, 2019 • 11:59:55pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 18, 2019 • 12:02:23am

Well, I’m going to go to sleep and hope to wake up to some kind of positive reaction to this latest news. Honestly though, is this the twentieth or the thirtieth bombshell that was going to bring tRump down for sure, followed by just exactly jack and shit? I expect nothing but yawns and “What else you got?” I hope I’m wrong, but I really, really doubt it. ‘Night, all.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 12:03:12am

re: #201 FormerDirtDart ????

Sorry, but that’s a bit of a false comparison.
The UT-4 is historically closer to a leans R than the 2016 results that skewed the data showing it as a strong R. The seat has only existed for 4 elections cycles, with Dem victories as bookends. Prior to that much of the area was the UT-2, which prior to redistricting and adding the 4th was held by a Dem for the previous 6 election cycles.

Hmm. Thanks for the background on that district. I didn’t know that.

I do like this line from Mia Love’s concession speech:

In her concession speech, Love was critical of President Donald Trump, saying he had “no real relationships, just convenient transactions.” She also criticized the Republican Party for having a “transactional” relationship with minority voters. Love’s comments came after a news conference in which Trump mocked Love, even before all the ballots had been counted. He said “Mia Love gave me no love, and she lost.”

(via Wikipedia)

Well, if she thought the GOP had only a transactional relationship with minority voters, why was she a GOP representative?

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ckkatz  Jan 18, 2019 • 12:05:10am

re: #193 goddamnedfrank

Markos screen shotted a bunch of Vogel’s milquetoast hack-ass fuckery over the last few years like the ones below and said something snarky about shit like this being why we’re here:

Thanks! I see what you mean.

Vogel does seem to have a very high opinion of himself. And appears untroubled by evidence to the contrary.

And I agree, he is symptomatic of both why we are where we are, and why I no longer subscribe to the NYT.

I found the Markos Moulitsas TL quite interesting! Thanks for pointing that out as well.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 12:05:58am

re: #202 NO SMOCKING GUN!

But I think even that would’ve been a contribution to his own campaign that Trump would’ve had to report.

A) Trump is “the king of debt” by his own words. He might not have had the money at hand when needed; as a hundredaire I might be wealthier than Trump.

B) What a crapfest: “Mr. Trump, paying off a porn star and a Playboy model to keep their stories out of the press would have to be reported to the FEC.”

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 18, 2019 • 12:06:35am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 18, 2019 • 12:08:13am

Trump was right that he is getting crushed on the shutdown; he’s now more than 15 points underwater in the approval polls. The great dealmaker then plaintively asked “why can’t we get a deal?” Not understanding that its because he’s getting crushed. Pathetic, incompetent criminal. Cannot be impeached soon enough.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 12:09:00am

OT: I haven’t seen Cheechako around in quite a while. The last post I saw from him, he was taking his wife to Washington state for eye surgery of some sort. (He told my wife and me when we were in Juneau that there was only one ophthalmologist in Alaska, and he was retiring.)

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ckkatz  Jan 18, 2019 • 12:20:20am

re: #208 goddamnedfrank

I sprained my glaven

Hah! Looked up ‘glaven’ and found that it is Slovene and means “head, capital, primary, principal”.

en.wiktionary.org

edit correct quote to “I sprained my glaven”

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ckkatz  Jan 18, 2019 • 12:31:49am

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

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I agree with you. I caught the reference to two law enforcement sources and concluded that they were not likely from the SCO. Either, SDNY/FBI-NY or State of New York.

As to motive, Federal Law Enforcement is likely less than enamoured with the current mal-Administration and how they are continually attacking government and the Constitution. As well as employee paychecks. I have not heard, but I suspect that the mal-Administration is probably not as popular as it used to be, even among the unpaid NY FBI office.

And there may be concerns regarding whether the DOJ might cover up and squelch the investigations and prosecutions. Or implement actions that could destroy the country.

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ckkatz  Jan 18, 2019 • 12:32:20am

Well, good night all!

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 12:40:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 12:43:32am

Anyone who takes online polls as reliable deserves to be duped.

Remember all the Ron Paul online poll hackers?

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 12:45:42am

So she replied then blocked me:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 12:50:28am

re: #216 freetoken

As Prez and CinC, Trump still has a lot of aces up his sleeve and has not been backed far enough into a corner to pull them out. Maybe he is in over his head and maybe it is too late for anything he does or says to have credibility outside his base, but I will not misunderestimate his ability to manipulate the media who care more about access and ratings than in informing the people of crimes committed against America.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 1:26:40am

re: #216 freetoken

So she replied then blocked me:

Like it or not, Nancy Pelosi IS the Speaker of the House, and with that position comes power.

As a matter of fact, that includes the power to open impeachment investigations and hearings.

Trump LOVES being in the press, even when he attacks it. I wonder how he’d feel about the press covering day after day of impeachment hearings. There’s no amount of crazy rallies he can hold to drown that out.

I noted when he was elected that the press made an awful lot of money building him up, and the press can make just as much (or more) tearing him down.

That won’t convince the 27% crazification factor which represents conservative support even when the candidate is R-Kali-ma. It also won’t really change the position of those on the left who are pretty much convinced this is one of the most corrupt and incompetent governments in history.

Shift the squishy middle against the Trump administration, and he’s toast (along with any other politician supporting him).

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 18, 2019 • 1:35:53am

Here’s my moment of email weirdness. Received an inquiry and CV from a woman working in Qatar, who thought I was the head chef at a restaurant in Jersey City. She apparently is using some scammy job search site, and all the info posted about this restaurant seems fishy. (I checked.) When she tried to contact the restaurant at the email provided, it didn’t work. So the job search site gave her mine, because I and this mystery chef share the same name.

Anyway, I told this nice woman (Filipina, according to her CV) to use a legitimate job search site if she wanted work in the USA.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 1:44:25am
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 18, 2019 • 1:55:05am

My dog is giving me the stink-eye, that means I have to go sit on the couch with him, watch the big screen, and cuddle. good night.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:12:49am

I was off doing back of the Windows Calculator program figures on providing Basic Universal Income.

The premise here is no matter how wealthy or poor you are, you get paid a set amount.

With the ridiculous low tax rates on corporations, capital gains, and the hyper-wealthy, it wouldn’t work. Suggestions such as Rep. Ocasio-Cortez’s to jump the top rate to 70% and tax unearned income at a higher rate would make it work.

The Office of Management and Budget estimates total income tax revenues for this fiscal year to be $3.4+ trillion dollars, only 7% coming from corporations (the wealthiest portion of the economy). It’s noted that revenues have been significantly slashed by the Bush and Trump tax cuts. Costs to run government however have not been slashed.

So back to those back of Calculator calculations. Using the US Census, the latest estimate for the number of adults living in the USA is 247,813,910 (a very specific number for an estimate). Pew Research estimates 10,700,000 of those are undocumented immigrants (many of whom are children and none of whom presumably would be eligible to receive a universal basic income, and amount to a rounding error on the population of adults anyway).

If you subtract the number Pew estimates are undocumented, and give a very modest $10,000 per adult per year, that amounts to $2.371 trillion. ($10,000 probably would not be a lot in New York or Los Angeles; for me it would represent about a 40% rise in my income).

The IRS estimates it loses $500 billion to tax evasion every year. Add that to the tax scam just passed through better collection and enforcement, and you just paid for the Universal Basic Income.

If you halved the UBI to $5,000, the cost would be lower than the tax scam giveaway without better enforcement on tax cheats.

Moreover, the velocity of the money from UBI going through the economy would be much higher than parking a few billion in stocks and offshore banks. Those in poverty tend not to hang onto money very long; they need to eat and pay bills with it.

For those teetering on the edge of poverty (or those in it), even $5,000 could mean the difference in eating or education for children and no.

Some welfare programmes could be reduced (for example, food stamps), reducing the cost spent administering them and enforcing actions against fraudsters. For those in dire poverty, such programs could remain.

Am I missing something here, or do I want a pony?

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:22:36am

re: #222 Anymouse ??

You want a pony.

Schemes like a universal income are designed to be buzzwords.

In the real world, economics is the process by which human societies organize themselves into hierarchical structures.

We, as primates, want hierarchical structures.

We fight to place ourselves higher into the hierarchy.

Simply scaling incomes will just lead to a rescaling of prices.

The radical, progressive, idea is to attack the hierarchy. That is what a progressive income tax aims to accomplish. That is also why those high up in the hierarchy work so hard to defeat progressive tax laws.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:29:04am

re: #223 freetoken

You want a pony.

Schemes like a universal income are designed to be buzzwords.

In the real world, economics is the process by which human societies organize themselves into hierarchical structures.

We, as primates, want hierarchical structures.

We fight to place ourselves higher into the hierarchy.

Simply scaling incomes will just lead to a rescaling of prices.

The radical, progressive, idea is to attack the hierarchy. That is what a progressive income tax aims to accomplish. That is also why those high up in the hierarchy work so hard to defeat progressive tax laws.

Well, it was a thought. I was just playing around with numbers.

Any proposed programme name could be considered a buzzword. We could take the name away from the forced birthers and call it the “Right to Life” programme. Or maybe the “Right to Eat” programme.

“Income redistribution” is a buzzword for progressive income tax rates. For that matter, “progressive income tax rates” might be considered a buzzword. The word “buzzword” to me seems to mean “something I don’t like. My programme is sensible, but yours is just a buzzword.”

I dunno, I’m not an economist. I never took even one economics course. It seems to me that in the richest country in the history of the planet, there shouldn’t be hungry people.

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LastYearsMan  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:29:24am

Came for the Buzzfeed scoop. Stayed for the sex-toy-injury discussion. Quality stuff, Lizards, as always.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:30:29am

re: #225 LastYearsMan

Came for the Buzzfeed scoop. Stayed for the sex-toy-injury discussion. Quality stiff, Lizards, as always.

I’m happy to proudly lower the discourse here. /s

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:36:07am

re: #225 LastYearsMan

Came for the Buzzfeed scoop. Stayed for the sex-toy-injury discussion. Quality stiff, Lizards, as always.

YF3KwGpZQJNPn6/RPsy60AF22GH+5IO33qfhNqMkrLQm0y+Sh1ajJ8tfz981PENd

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:43:24am

re: #222 Anymouse ??

I was off doing back of the Windows Calculator program figures on providing Basic Universal Income.

The premise here is no matter how wealthy or poor you are, you get paid a set amount.

With the ridiculous low tax rates on corporations, capital gains, and the hyper-wealthy, it wouldn’t work. Suggestions such as Rep. Ocasio-Cortez’s to jump the top rate to 70% and tax unearned income at a higher rate would make it work.

The Office of Management and Budget estimates total income tax revenues for this fiscal year to be $3.4+ trillion dollars, only 7% coming from corporations (the wealthiest portion of the economy). It’s noted that revenues have been significantly slashed by the Bush and Trump tax cuts. Costs to run government however have not been slashed.

So back to those back of Calculator calculations. Using the US Census, the latest estimate for the number of adults living in the USA is 247,813,910 (a very specific number for an estimate). Pew Research estimates 10,700,000 of those are undocumented immigrants (many of whom are children and none of whom presumably would be eligible to receive a universal basic income, and amount to a rounding error on the population of adults anyway).

If you subtract the number Pew estimates are undocumented, and give a very modest $10,000 per adult per year, that amounts to $2.371 trillion. ($10,000 probably would not be a lot in New York or Los Angeles; for me it would represent about a 40% rise in my income).

The IRS estimates it loses $500 billion to tax evasion every year. Add that to the tax scam just passed through better collection and enforcement, and you just paid for the Universal Basic Income.

If you halved the UBI to $5,000, the cost would be lower than the tax scam giveaway without better enforcement on tax cheats.

Moreover, the velocity of the money from UBI going through the economy would be much higher than parking a few billion in stocks and offshore banks. Those in poverty tend not to hang onto money very long; they need to eat and pay bills with it.

For those teetering on the edge of poverty (or those in it), even $5,000 could mean the difference in eating or education for children and no.

Some welfare programmes could be reduced (for example, food stamps), reducing the cost spent administering them and enforcing actions against fraudsters. For those in dire poverty, such programs could remain.

Am I missing something here, or do I want a pony?

Makes sense to me. Plus there is no particular reason the entire cost has to be paid for. The GOP certainly doesn’t worry about paying for its wars and tax cuts for the rich.

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LastYearsMan  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:43:33am

re: #227 Anymouse ??

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Too slow with my correction, it would appear. But either stuff or stiff, I stand by my comment.

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LastYearsMan  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:44:54am

re: #226 Anymouse ??

I’m happy to proudly lower the discourse here. /s

Oh, that talk totally raised my “discourse “.

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LastYearsMan  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:46:31am

At this point, anything short of a nuclear exchange I’m going to count as a “win” for the Trump era. What a non-stop shitshow.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:48:58am

re: #229 LastYearsMan

Too slow with my correction, it would appear. But either stuff or stiff, I stand by my comment.

LOL.

re: #230 LastYearsMan

Oh, that talk totally raised my “discourse “.

LOL again.

Crap. I lost one of my Phenobarbital tablets under the refrigerator. Considering the VA treats them like they are gold bars at Fort Knox, I’m going to have to move my refrigerator and dig it out, or skip a day (that’s not good).

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:52:02am

re: #16 Eclectic Cyborg

OT: Someone asked me about dealing with the character of Mohammed Atta in the historical fiction book I’m writing about the day before 9/11.

I struggled with that but ultimately decided to try and present him as accurately as possible. No glamorizing, no softening, no over humanizing. It’s actually not hard with him because he was an intense introvert who shut himself off from almost everyone and was known to show very few signs of love, affection or happiness.

His story also serves to contrast the other stories.

Should be interesting. I enjoyed The Looming Tower

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:56:07am

re: #232 Anymouse ??

Move the ice box (as my grandmother would call it.)

It’s one of those amazing things about what it means for America to be “great”… in that inexpensive to produce medicine (your phenobarb) are made very expensive to acquire.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:56:50am

re: #47 gocart mozart

Chelsea started this conversation

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:59:00am

re: #232 Anymouse ??

Oy, and I thought Vimpat was annoying…that’s just due to the fact that its $800+ for a 30 day supply (fortunately, after Feb, I’ve hit my annual deductible). It’s USUALLY either in-stock or shows up quickly, but one time I had a ten-day wait for it, for no apparent reason.

Phenobarbital is way off-patent, so it SHOULD be fairly cheap, right?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:59:45am

re: #223 freetoken

You want a pony.

Schemes like a universal income are designed to be buzzwords.

In the real world, economics is the process by which human societies organize themselves into hierarchical structures.

We, as primates, want hierarchical structures.

We fight to place ourselves higher into the hierarchy.

Simply scaling incomes will just lead to a rescaling of prices.

We need to humanize the hierarchy and make it less primate in nature without losing sight of our innate nature.

But face it, as soon as self-driving vehicles and 3-D printing become widespread, two of the most common industries in the USA (logistics and transportation) will be revolutionized in a manner that overshadows the fate of the weavers and shoemakers in the 18th century.

We need to account for that and find a way to distribute work and income more evenly.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 2:59:47am

re: #234 freetoken

Move the ice box (as my grandmother would call it.)

It’s one of those amazing things about what it means for America to be “great”… in that inexpensive to produce medicine (your phenobarb) are made very expensive to acquire.

When I first moved here from Oklahoma, my prescription was fouled up between the Wichita VA and the Cheyenne VA that my prescription ran out.

The Cheyenne VA did a one-time call-in to the local pharmacy here.

The pharmacist told me they didn’t carry the drug but they could get it in a few hours. I asked why they didn’t carry it, he told me they have no call for it here.

When I went in to pick it up, he counted out my prescription from a 1,000 tablet bottle (giving me 30). I felt bad for him ordering 1,000 tablets just to fill a prescription and probably wasting the other 970.

He told me not to worry about it as the cost to him for 1,000 tablets is $7.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:01:33am

re: #235 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Guns don’t kill people; toddlers kill people. We need toddler control!

I am for background checks and mandatory 9-month waiting period

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Teukka  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:06:03am

re: #214 freetoken

When people get sucked in by a scam, it can happen that they invest so much financially and emotionally, that it wrecks havoc with their judgment and they do things in the desperate hope that what they are involved with isn’t a scam after all.

The history of financial and political scams is littered with descriptions insanely idiotic acts done in that situation. A thing I often see forgotten in that situation is trying to see things from perspective of the mark, which is sad because it helps explain the bonehead maneuvers marks do.

So, let’s try to see this from the perspective of J. Random MAGAt.

(S)he got sucked in by promises of finally having a politician that is willing to listen to them or some such, actually having a say how government is run and not feeling so damn powerless.
The first and second hurdles to overcome are the realization that one got suckered bigtime (being suckered as such) and the vain hope that the much less than honorable individuals playing one like a violin might be honorable.
The next hurdle is the time and effort, including financial, the mark has put into promoting the scam. The more time and effort spent, the harder it is to let go of the (pipe) dream.
But the hardest hurdle to overcome is the consequences of ones actions. Because in essence, each and every grassroot MAGAt has willingly let their support to what can only be described as cynical opportunists, which have not even stopped at treason to get where they are. Even though they are for the most part innocent in the legal sense, it won’t stop their own guilty conscience of aiding and abetting traitors.

And as we all know, the GOP and their henchmen have racked up so much more than going to uncle Vova for assistance on their rap sheet. There is environmental policy. There is financial policy. There is legislation. Just to name the few that pop into my mind without any greater effort.

When one takes the above into account, it becomes understandable how they find wild theories about masonic-(jewish)-communist pedophile cabals pulling the strings of the deep state to pull an honest man down, and waiting for Q to come to the rescue believable.

Because that fever dream is so much more palatable than the truth. That they willingly lent their support to opportunists, which not only betrayed their own country, but also ran the financial system into the ground, the environment into the ground, imposed crowd-pleasing legislation which when it comes to the bottom line does absolutely butkis to solve the problems they claimed they would solve, and in some cases exacerbated the problems.

I hate to say this, but when this house of cards comes crashing down, there will be a lot of people in a world of hurt who will need help.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:07:02am

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

This news also raises the stakes for the ethics professionals in their analysis of Barr’s need to recuse, because he pre-judged the situation in both his memo and answer to Klobouchar about a President persuading a witness to commit perjury. In essence if the evidence strongly backs up the allegation that Trump ordered Cohen to lie to Congress then Barr in on record calling that a criminal offense.

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In other words Barr is now trapped and must recuse, which in Trump’s view was Sessions’ great betrayal.

Yeah, but other than Rudy, any attorney would call that a criminal offense, because it is.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:14:38am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Precisely. It’s not AM that past Republican Presidents weren’t awful. It’s that past elected and appointed Republicans weren’t ALL awful. There is no one in the GOP delegation or the Trump cabinet that will do the right thing.

As someone on Twitter said about AOC, she has never known a time when Republicans were not cartoonish villains acting in bad faith, and she treats them accordingly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:15:44am

re: #242 NO SMOCKING GUN!

As someone on Twitter said about AOC, she has never known a time when Republicans were not cartoonish villains acting in bad faith, and she treats them accordingly.

Even the last Bush supported comprehensive immigration reform and amnesty, although in the end, it was his own party that blocked him on it.

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Ming5000  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:16:19am

re: #193 goddamnedfrank

Thanks GDF. Good info and your post seems like a lot of work.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:19:27am

re: #237 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We need to humanize the hierarchy and make it less primate in nature without losing sight of our innate nature.

But the hierarchy is human, exactly human.

We are innately a social animal that live in groups, groups in which the individuals order themselves.

That we also have the mental capacity to rationalize our empathy… means we seek out ways to mitigate the worse outcomes of our need to rank, but the empathy only goes so far.

And there are individual humans (see Trump) who lack the ability to empathize.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:21:38am

re: #240 Teukka

I actually know a handful of people that have been involved in cults, albeit, religious cults.

They’re now putting their lives back together, but as they’ve said, they’re having to deal with strong feelings of guilt for having forsaken their families and friends and the people who cared about them, or feeling foolish for having tuned out those who tried to warn them that not only were they in a cult, but that their cult was very likely going to end in tears.

With the Trumpites, it’s a political cult - but the underlying dynamics are almost identical. And when the cult finally crashes, yeah, they’re going to feeling hurt and angry……and most of all, foolish for having been so badly misled.

With any luck, the bulk of them will come to their senses, but there’s going to be those whose ego or inflated sense of self-worth won’t let them admit they’ve been suckered. And those people are going to be problematic going forward.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:21:49am

re: #236 Sufficient unto the day…

Oy, and I thought Vimpat was annoying…that’s just due to the fact that its $800+ for a 30 day supply (fortunately, after Feb, I’ve hit my annual deductible). It’s USUALLY either in-stock or shows up quickly, but one time I had a ten-day wait for it, for no apparent reason.

Phenobarbital is way off-patent, so it SHOULD be fairly cheap, right?

The drug itself was originally patented under the brand Luminal in 1912 by Bayer (originally as a sleep aid and anesthetic, its anticonvulsive properties were discovered later … at the time, the only drug for epilepsy was potassium bromide, which has horrible side effects).

They later passed their patent to Lundbeck (a Danish company).

Due to the way US patent law works, while the drug’s patent has expired (the FDA maintains a book called the Orange Book which lists all drugs under patent, and from which they just eliminated all drugs prior to 1938), processes by which drugs are patented can be extended apparently endlessly. Lundbeck owns the patent on the process, and licenses it to Abbott here in the USA.

If you change the process under which a drug is manufactured (even the logo on the drug), you have to get the drug re-approved by the FDA. As such, Abbott holds an effective monopoly on the drug’s manufacture here (because no one is going to spend all that money in the FDA approval process for a drug like that which is now little-used in the USA).

A few years ago (2015), the FDA started a push to remove all drugs from the market which did not meet the standard of “safe and efficacious” (the old standard was “contains what’s advertised” under the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1904). These are so-called “grandfathered drugs” which includes Phenobarbital and a host of other drugs. The grandfathered drug regulation was added in 1962 for drugs manufactured prior to 1938.

A company which made quinine for tonic water went through the process to do the required studies and paperwork for approval. (Quinine is one of the oldest drugs known for medical treatment, but the FDA would not accept a thousand years of anecdotes and doctor’s notes as evidence.)

They got approval for quinine, but went bankrupt.

I’m not sure where that leaves such drugs today. The rule is they can continue to be manufactured as long as there are no changes whatsoever to their formulation, markings, or inert chemical makeup.

In 2006 they tightened the regulations further. If one company has a grandfathered drug approved, the drug is considered an approved drug and all other companies making it must discontinue the product and wait thirty-six months before they can apply for a generic approval. The claim by the FDA was that drug companies were still adjusting formulas of grandfathered drugs when that was not allowed, and this would help prevent it. What it did was create monopolies, since the quinine approval showed that trying to get an inexpensive drug approved will bankrupt your company.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:22:46am

250 overnight comments… Nice. What happened?

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:22:53am

re: #239 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am for background checks and mandatory 9-month waiting period

I’m for titling a gun like a house or car. If its stolen or sold, you’d better report it or you’re on the hook.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:23:14am

re: #248 Dave In Austin

250 overnight comments… Nice. What happened?

Sex toy injuries took up a lot of that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:23:36am

re: #245 freetoken

But the hierarchy is human, exactly human.

We are innately a social animal that live in groups, groups in which the individuals order themselves.

That we also have the mental capacity to rationalize our empathy… means we seek out ways to mitigate the worse outcomes of our need to rank, but the empathy only goes so far.

And there are individual humans (see Trump) who lack the ability to empathize.

it is human, but we need to stress the humane side over the primate side of it

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:24:54am

re: #249 Anymouse ??

I’m for titling a gun like a house or car. If its stolen or sold, you’d better report it or you’re on the hook.

That is the law in a lot of civilized countries. You bear full responsibility for the safe storage of your killing machine.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:26:49am

re: #250 Anymouse ??

Sex toy injuries took up a lot of that.

was there not a doctoral thesis on the subject of vacuum-cleaner induced penile traumas which included the various explanations on the part of the victims as to how they came about (“I was doing housecleaning naked when….”)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:28:23am

re: #97 Talking Point Detective

If the BuzzFeed story is true, Mueller has corroborating evidence of Trump subborning perjury, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy to commit a crime (commit perjury).

Demz will have to impeach.

Will Republicans in the Senate stand behind a felon? Will they go with the “it’s just a process crime” to justify a felon (assuming there will be no evidence of conspiracy with Russia)?

They’re fucked either way. If they go into 2020 defending a felon-president in impeachment hearings, the Demz will get both houses of Congress and the WH. Romney will be the far right fringe of the Republican Party.

If they vote to convict Trump, they’re screwed the exact same way. The Republican Party will be dead for 15 years.

Good times.

Is the BuzzFeed story just too good to be true?

Is our long, national nightmare over?

We’ll see if any cracks start to form in the GOP’s monolithic support for Trump. Our voters have the memories of gnats; the GOP will be back in the 2022 midterms.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:29:43am

re: #253 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

was there not a doctoral thesis on the subject of vacuum-cleaner induced penile traumas which included the various explanations on the part of the victims as to how they came about (“I was doing housecleaning naked when….”)

“Vacuum Cleaner Injury” of the Penis (1942, goes to NIH, includes a downloadable PDF of the original document)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:30:30am

re: #248 Dave In Austin

250 overnight comments… Nice. What happened?

Buzzfeed reported that Mueller has documented evidence that Trump told Cohen to lie to Congress about Trump Tower Moscow.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:32:48am

re: #254 NO SMOCKING GUN!

We’ll see if any cracks start to form in the GOP’s monolithic support for Trump. Our voters have the memories of gnats; the GOP will be back in the 2022 midterms.

I believe that the GOP will do its best to ignore or dismiss the Mueller findings and just try to ride things out, I cannot imagine that enough of them would risk breaking ranks and totally alienating their solid base.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:34:53am

re: #113 Myron Falwell

Ivanka is directly implicated here in the Buzzfeed article as instructing to lie. I don’t know if there’s any way he can protect her even if he did resign.

Ivanka, Eric, Junior and Jared are all in deep shit right now. Trump can’t save them (by pardoning before the fact) without admitting a shitton of guilt, and even if Pence had the opportunity to pardon them all, I could see him letting them twist in the wind.

Even if Pence pardons them, they face state criminal charges in New York for tax evasion and misuse of charitable Trump Fundation funds.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:36:11am

re: #257 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I believe that the GOP will do its best to ignore or dismiss the Mueller findings and just try to ride things out, I cannot imagine that enough of them would risk breaking ranks and totally alienating their solid base.

The dam may burst if Trump continues to bleed support in his base. Thanks to the shutdown, he is now more than 15 points underwater in approval.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:38:04am

re: #255 Anymouse ??

See also more recent studies:

Laceration of penis from hand vacuum cleaner. (Journal of the American Medical Association, print only, 1973)

Penile injuries from vacuum cleaners. (1980, NIH)

Vacuum cleaner injury to penis: a common urologic problem? (1985, NIH)

This is apparently a swelling problem.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:39:17am

re: #257 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I believe that the GOP will do its best to ignore or dismiss the Mueller findings and just try to ride things out, I cannot imagine that enough of them would risk breaking ranks and totally alienating their solid base.

Their solid base isn’t enough to get them a majority in Congress or the presidency. That report (and the news reports of ongoing criminality) may turn away the less-solid Republicans and non-partisan voters however.

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Teukka  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:40:29am

re: #255 Anymouse ??

“Vacuum Cleaner Injury” of the Penis (1942, goes to NIH, includes a downloadable PDF of the original document)

re: #260 Anymouse ??

See also more recent studies:

Laceration of penis from hand vacuum cleaner. (Journal of the American Medical Association, print only, 1973)

Penile injuries from vacuum cleaners. (1980, NIH)

Vacuum cleaner injury to penis: a common urologic problem? (1985, NIH)

This is apparently a swelling problem.

Spoilered because…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:42:58am

re: #260 Anymouse ??

See also more recent studies:

Laceration of penis from hand vacuum cleaner. (Journal of the American Medical Association, print only, 1973)

Penile injuries from vacuum cleaners. (1980, NIH)

Vacuum cleaner injury to penis: a common urologic problem? (1985, NIH)

This is apparently a swelling problem.

They’ve been on the rise, I’ve heard.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:43:26am

re: #250 Anymouse ??

Sex toy injuries took up a lot of that.

Gah! I didn’t go to work last nite cause back treatments went sour. Regardless I don’t think I’ll look.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:45:20am

re: #262 Teukka

Ewww.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:46:44am

re: #264 Dave In Austin

Gah! I didn’t go to work last nite cause back treatments went sour. Regardless I don’t think I’ll look.

No sense of adventure? As I noted above, I’m here to lower the level of discourse (at least until our esteemed host Mr. Johnson tells me to knock it off.)

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:49:46am

re: #262 Teukka

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:56:26am

re: #260 Anymouse ??

I’m glad not many 13 yr old males visit this sight in-depth.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 3:59:47am

re: #268 Dave In Austin

I’m glad not many 13 yr old males visit this sight in-depth.

enough 13-year-olds at heart…

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:00:51am

re: #268 Dave In Austin

I’m glad not many 13 yr old males visit this sight in-depth.

Should I be more circumspect? I do try to keep my posts (mostly) family-friendly, and put anything I might view with my rather prudish views as 18+ behind a privacy bar.

Those same studies I posted the same thirteen year-olds could find at NIH if they just typed

penile injury vacuum cleaner

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:01:14am

re: #269 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

enough 13-year-olds at heart…

13 yr old males will stick their finger in anything…..

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:08:22am

Changing the topic from what thirteen year-old boys might do:

An interesting video went up on YouTube tearing apart Dennis Prager. (Prager is a right wing radio host and Christian apologist who runs a so-called online university funded by two oil billionaires.)

PragerU adverts (which amount to almost half the budget he expends) pop up in all sorts of YouTube videos.

This is a good example of calling out conservative propaganda.

How PragerU Lies to You (29:24)

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:08:40am

Didn’t someone here post a photo of that famous staircase in The Music Box?

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steve_davis  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:22:11am

re: #23 De Kolta Chair

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re: #44 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

in a can

classic rockford files moment where Jim is frustrated with someone on the phone and resorts to “Have you got Prince Albert in a can?” to which the caller goes off on a long tangent about how she has heard that joke, that it isn’t funny, blah, blah, blah, at which point Jim concludes with, “Well, let him out!”, demonstrating that a bad joke will not be curtailed, regardless of circumstance.

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steve_davis  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:31:21am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Ball gags aren’t meant to kill, wingnut dumbass. Try again next time. Also your stats are way fucking off.

great moments in emergency room history: the guy back in the late 80’s who slipped in the bathroom and was penetrated by one of those old phones with the antenna that was a foot long. put the entire phone inside his ass. While the surgeon was trying to extract it, it started ringing. Always loved that story. then there was the lady who, and this may be apocryphal, was having sex with the family dog, but who got the knot lodged inside of her and couldn’t withdraw. The person who originally told me this story swore that the lady went out on a stretcher, with the dog still attached, on the stretcher as well. That one would be difficult, I imagine, to explain to the neighbors.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:33:20am

Wingnuts Spend Day Thinking About Lindsey Graham Naked, Blame Muslim Congresslady (Wonkette, more at the link).
The wingers only have one play, and they run it over and over and over.

Your Wonkette DGAF what Lindsey Graham does with his nasty bits. We have to write about all the ladies That Orange Idiot bumped his uglies with for work, and the last thing in the world we want to think about is the sex lives of any more evil, old Republicans. Clearly Senator Graham’s sexual orientation is HIGHEST BIDDER, and that’s all we have to say on the topic.

But we do care if Lindsey Graham’s abrupt about-face on Donald Trump came about due to outside influence. Because in 2016, Lindsey Graham knew Donald Trump was a pathetic conman.

(more)

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:34:48am

and so it ends. not with a bang but with a whimper

the streak is dead

after yesterday’s 6 mile save I thought I was in the clear.

then around noon a fever showed up. spiked into 101 territory and brought full on cold symptoms. it was to be expected and its not the flu thanks

this AM the fever is almost normal and it’s just a head cold. I *could* run. though would the after effects be severe? who knows. I’ve got nieces coming tonight and she wants to run this weekend - all of a sudden.

so Prudence and I are well acquainted. Again. I will take the day.

the way it is

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:37:33am

re: #273 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Didn’t someone here post a photo of that famous staircase in The Music Box?

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Can’t wait to see the new Steven Coogan and John C. Reilly film Stan and Ollie.

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Talking Point Detective  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:42:35am

5re: #254 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Prolly depends on what happens after 2020. But all these Pubz sucking up to a felon-in-chief are seriously damaged.

If the BuzzFeed story is confirmed, the rest of rhe Mueller probe on Russia collusion is (delicious) icing on the cake.

Barr made it clear, in his testimony, that he considers coaching a witness to lie under oath is obstruction of justice.

Demz will impeach now. Pubz will be in a position to either condone a felony by the president, or vote to remove a president that they sucked up to for two years.

I’m buying shares in popcorn companies. This is going to be a high point in our country’s political history after a prolonged existential threat.

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:44:08am

re: #277 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

I’m sorry you’re feeling bad over illness. I hope you recover soon.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:48:47am

re: #279 Talking Point Detective

Demz will impeach now. Pubz will be in a position to either condone a felony by the president, or vote to remove a president that they sucked up to die two years.

I’m buying shares in popcorn companies. This is going to be a high point in our country’s political history after a prolonged existential threat.

I still fer that things are going to get a lot worse before they can even start to get any better

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Anymouse ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:49:34am

I’m off to bed. I’ve done enough damage to people’s sensibilities tonight.

Good night, y’all.

Tears For Fears - Goodnight Song

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:50:22am
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Talking Point Detective  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:53:42am

re: #281 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If there is corroborating evidence of Trump suborning perjury, it’s already started to get better.

Most likely, Trump is gone. If he isn’t, the Republican Trump sycophants are critically wounded.

This will be a huge victory.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:53:58am

Trump though he was getting in a burn by cancelling Nancy’s trip abroad, but outiside his rabid base, it just confirmed what a three-year-old he is at heart.

Which is also what his base admires about him…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:54:43am

re: #284 Talking Point Detective

If there is corroboratong evidence of Trump suborning perjury, it’s already started to get better.

Most likely, Trump is gone. If he isn’t, the Republican Trump sycophsnts are critically wounded.

This will be a huge victory.

Trump is not going to go easily and not without wrecking as much as he can on the way out…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:56:36am

re: #286 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump is not going to go easily and not without wrecking as much as he can on the way out…

If he were smart, he would cut a deal with Pence to resign in return for a pardon.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:57:47am

Yep, it’s clear but Republicans are beholden to Trump so his shutdown continues.

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Talking Point Detective  Jan 18, 2019 • 4:59:36am

re: #286 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #286 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If this story is corroborated, his power to damage is crippled. I am not a Pollyanna. I have been saying “nothing matters” for two years.

This is different.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:03:08am

re: #249 Anymouse ??

I’m for titling a gun like a house or car. If its stolen or sold, you’d better report it or you’re on the hook.

i want to go back a step and get universal recognition that you, the gun owner, and only you, are responsible for everything done with or done by that gun. if not you then who?

titling does make it easier to trace, though there are other ways to identify who the last legal owner was

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:03:22am

I would think would construe perjury, obstruction of justice, & conspiracy among others. The bastard needs to and should be impeached.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:04:53am

re: #290 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i want to go back a step and get universal recognition that you, the gun owner, and only you, are responsible for everything done with or done by that gun. if not you then who?

titling does make it easier to trace, though there are other ways to identify who the last legal owner was

Yeah I don’t get that. We want all the freedom of owning a gun but none of the responsibilities in our society.

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sagehen  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:07:55am

re: #82 Joe Bacon ??

Starting in 1976 the Liberal Republicans were getting purged and by 1986 the last one standing (Mathias) was gone.

Jim Jeffords (VT) lasted into the Bush admin (he turned independent in 2001 to deny R’s the senate majority); Lincoln Chafee (RI) lasted until 2006 (turned Dem after leaving the Senate).

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:10:31am

re: #287 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If he were smart, he would cut a deal with Pence to resign in return for a pardon.

…he never, ever would have run for president and opened his ‘empire’ up to scrutiny

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:11:56am

re: #289 Talking Point Detective

If this story is corroborated, his power to damage is crippled. I am not a Pollyanna. I have been saying “nothing matters” for two years.

This is different.

His powers as Prez and CinC of the Military are still immense and he will do all he can to whine and stomp and make everyone regret doing what they did, namely enforcing the saw…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:12:02am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t get that. We want all the freedom of owning a gun but none of the responsibilities in our society.

slight correction - ‘they’

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:15:07am

re: #296 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

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slight correction - ‘they’

True. I do think liberal gun owners understand while owning firearms is a right, it’s also a responsibility.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:16:50am

Own a gun if you wish, that really isn’t my issue. But when you pull out your gun or trivial shit, leave it where a child can use it, etc. you’re not responsible despite what the NRA tells you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:19:34am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

True. I do think liberal gun owners understand while owning firearms is a right, it’s also a responsibility.

which is why the 2A is framed in terms of a “well-regulated militia”…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:22:55am

re: #299 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

which is why the 2A is framed in terms of a “well-regulated militia”…

Right but some of this and I hate the phrase since it’s a catch all but “common sense.” No tgerss no Constitutional restriction against having guns with a person with mental health issues in the home but it’s probably responsible not to.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:24:53am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:25:32am

There’s also this; gun ownership isn’t absolute. I’ve seen some gun owner friends get pissy that stores have banned guns. Well guys, that owner is within his rights to ban guns and frankly I think guns should be banned from places like bars, restaurants, or clubs. Or if you do permit them, you should be prepared to pay more for insurance.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:26:22am

re: #301 Patricia Kayden

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It IS a coequal branch. Civics 101.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:27:55am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

It IS a coequal branch. Civics 101.

but some branches are more equal than others…

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:32:21am

re: #248 Dave In Austin

250 overnight comments… Nice. What happened?

Nothing. Another boring end to another boring Infrastructure Week.

/

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A Mom Anon  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:36:40am

Morning Lizards. Hope you all are well, and if not, I send hugs, chicken soup and a heating pad, maybe some down time. I cannot keep up with this place, though I try. I know I am missing people’s lives and adventures, I wish I could be around more. Life is not great, this is one little island where I find solace. Love to all of you.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:38:35am

It’s out….. “INVASION!!!!!!!”

Some Ranchers Say……

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:41:47am

re: #307 Dave In Austin

Border rancher: “We’ve found prayer rugs out here. It’s unreal.” Washington Examiner People coming across the Southern Border from many countries, some of which would be a big surprise.

— Donald J. Trump

My dude, this story is like a week old, and it’s a repeat bullship story from like five years ago. Debunked. Sad. Lame.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:42:47am

re: #307 Dave In Austin

Border rancher: “We’ve found prayer rugs out here. It’s unreal.” Washington Examiner People coming across the Southern Border from many countries, some of which would be a big surprise.

— Donald J. Trump

BREAKING: Border rancher finds rug on property.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:48:34am

re: #307 Dave In Austin

It’s out….. “INVASION!!!!!!!”

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Some Ranchers Say……

Okay I’ll humor this. There are Muslims in Latin America and you know what they’re allowed to come here despite what you and that bigoted rancher think.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:49:19am

re: #309 Sir John Barron

BREAKING: Border rancher finds rug on property.

And the Quran he found was just a Spanish bible.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:49:53am

I am so sick of this lying fucker and his cult.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:52:46am

re: #310 HappyWarrior

Okay I’ll humor this. There are Muslims in Latin America and you know what they’re allowed to come here despite what you and that bigoted rancher think.

Non-Muslim ranchers in NM and Texas, like non-Muslims everywhere, are certified experts on Muslim prayer rugs.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:52:59am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

True. I do think liberal gun owners understand while owning firearms is a right, it’s also a responsibility.

A right is a double-sided coin: freedom on one, responsibility on the other.
all constitutional rights have always been regulated and limited in some ways

the 2A does not give you the right to recklessly and irresponsibly infringe on my (or anyone else’s) life, liberty and pursuit of happiness without consequences

this is where we should be hammering - accountability for your own actions
because no sane person could disagree with this

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:54:41am

re: #301 Patricia Kayden

About that…

According to that pesky Constitution Trump shredded on the way into the White House, @SpeakerPelosi heads the legislative branch of the government.

Co-equal to the executive branch.

not to mention, second in line to his job if he and pence are booted

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:56:24am

re: #314 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

A right is a double-sided coin: freedom on one, responsibility on the other.
all constitutional rights have always been regulated and limited in some ways

the 2A does not give you the right to recklessly and irresponsibly infringe on my (or anyone else’s) life, liberty and pursuit of happiness without consequences

this is where we should be hammering - accountability for your own actions
because no sane person could disagree with this

Exactly. And what maddens me is the goalposts keep moving on the responsibilities.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 5:57:19am

re: #306 A Mom Anon

Morning Lizards. Hope you all are well, and if not, I send hugs, chicken soup and a heating pad, maybe some down time. I cannot keep up with this place, though I try. I know I am missing people’s lives and adventures, I wish I could be around more. Life is not great, this is one little island where I find solace. Love to all of you.

just what the mom ordered

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:02:14am

re: #307 Dave In Austin

It’s out….. “INVASION!!!!!!!”

“Prayer rugs”

Some Ranchers Say……

So any rug with a geometric pattern and tassels is going to be a prayer rug,

Jeff Lebowski had a prayer rug.

So do I actually, have owned it since the mid 70’s and it has graced the wall of every place I have ever lived…really ties the place together.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:04:55am

re: #318 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So any rug with a geometric pattern and tassels is going to be a prayer rug,

Jeff Lebowski had a prayer rug.

So do I actually, have owned it since the mid 70’s and it has graced the wall of every place I have ever lived…really ties the place together.

I do too now that I think of it. Work gift.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:06:03am

re: #318 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So any rug with a geometric pattern and tassels is going to be a prayer rug,

Jeff Lebowski had a prayer rug.

So do I actually, have owned it since the mid 70’s and it has graced the wall of every place I have ever lived…really ties the place together.

Considered a downding here just because I didn’t think of this first.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:06:25am

re: #318 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So any rug with a geometric pattern and tassels is going to be a prayer rug,

Jeff Lebowski had a prayer rug.

So do I actually, have owned it since the mid 70’s and it has graced the wall of every place I have ever lived…really ties the place together.

The prayer rugs really tie the desert ranch together.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:10:14am

re: #321 Sir John Barron

The prayer rugs really tie the desert ranch together.

Because there aren’t a plethora of small woven rugs in Mexico with beautiful geometric designs.////

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:11:04am

re: #322 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Because there aren’t a plethora of small woven rugs in Mexico with beautiful geometric designs.////

Seriously.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:11:53am

I swear tho wingnuts look for everything to scare them but yeah we’re the snowflakes.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:12:30am

Fathead is awake

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MsJ  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:13:51am

re: #85 Targetpractice

I’d say we have some idea of why Donny appears to be scared shitless of Cohen testifying next month.

The fucking lunatic is likely to nuke someone just to change the news cycle.

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Sea Mexican  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:16:59am

I forgot to post this reply earlier yesterday …

re: #41 sagehen

In case anyone didn’t know…

They were in Puerto Rico for the opening stand of the new Hamilton touring company, Lin-Manuel personally reprising his role for six weeks, as a fund-raiser for the island because THEY STILL DON”T HAVE ELECTRICITY!!!

Little clarification: there’s electricity in most of the Island (Vieques and Culebras are getting electricity slowly), but the grid is still weak. I doubt it can resist anything higher than a tropical storm.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:17:14am

Sound familiar?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:17:48am

an interesting take: dailykos.com

…over the next month, because no one is budging—not Trump, and not the Democrats—all of these unpaid Federal workers are going to have to look for new jobs, because they will see that no money is coming in, and they all have bills to pay.

When these people leave their jobs, no one will be taking their place. There will be no new TSA agents to screen for weapons at airports when these people leave because no one is going to work for free. Soon, there will be a whole lot of important jobs that no one will be doing at all. [not just tsa]

In addition, when Donald Trump finally gets around to opening the Federal Government back up, it may be darn hard for the Government to get anyone to apply, even then, because few will trust working for a Federal Government that does not seem to like paying people.

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:17:48am
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MsJ  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:18:09am

re: #97 Talking Point Detective

If the BuzzFeed story is true, Mueller has corroborating evidence of Trump subborning perjury, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy to commit a crime (commit perjury).

Demz will have to impeach.

Will Republicans in the Senate stand behind a felon? Will they go with the “it’s just a process crime” to justify a felon (assuming there will be no evidence of conspiracy with Russia)?

Do you really have to ask this? Of course they will stand behind him. And they will continue to try to erode trust in the FBI. DEEP STATE!!!!11!!

Almost all Republicans, at this point, are traitors to America.

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fern01  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:19:34am

re: #24 FormerDirtDart ????

Rep. Tom Marino (R-Pa.)
In Nov. he took the PA-12 seat by 22%. Not sure that can be flipped.
But, as Alabama taught us, anything is possible

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Wimps - as soon as his party loses the House - he resigns. Why did he run just to resign 2 months later. What I really like about Nancy Pelosi - she stayed - win or lose - she doesn’t pick up her toys and go home. She stays and fights for the people of America.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:19:44am

re: #325 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Fathead is awake

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Why did your cabinet members leave?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:19:54am

re: #325 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Why would Nancy Pelosi leave the Country with other Democrats on a seven day excursion when 800,000 great people are not getting paid. Also, could somebody please explain to Nancy & her “big donors” in wine country that people working on farms (grapes) will have easy access in!

Remember Caesar Chavez? Where did all those grape pickers come from in the first place?!?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:20:19am

re: #325 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Also, could somebody please explain to Nancy & her “big donors” in wine country that people working on farms (grapes) will have easy access in!

Lolwhut?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:20:35am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

I swear tho wingnuts look for everything to scare them but yeah we’re the snowflakes.

i dont engage crackpots and i know the story is nonsense

…but if i were to in this case, i’d ask, “you found rugs. so?”

tell me what it means. dont speculate what you think it means.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:21:12am

re: #325 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Why would Nancy Pelosi leave the Country with other Democrats on a seven day excursion when 800,000 great people are not getting paid

Eh, 800,000 Democrat party shirkers. Amiright?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:21:27am

re: #332 fern01

Wimps - as soon as his party loses the House - he resigns. Why did he run just to resign 2 months later. What I really like about Nancy Pelosi - she stayed - win or lose - she doesn’t pick up her toys and go home. She stays and fights for the people of America.

She’s been there in good times and bad times. Don’t think for a second that doesn’t endear her to the caucus.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:21:32am

re: #325 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Fathead is awake

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prove it

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:22:13am

re: #336 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i dont engage crackpots and i know the story is nonsense

…but if i were to in this case, i’d ask, “you found rugs. so?”

tell me what it means. dont speculate what you think it means.

Right. And it’s not illegal to be a Muslim.

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:22:38am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:23:47am

re: #328 Patricia Kayden

Sound familiar?

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lawrence of arabia:

lf we`ve told lies, you`ve told half-lies.
And a man who tells lies, like me, merely hides the truth.
But a man who tells half-lies has forgotten where he put it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:23:48am

re: #341 Belafon

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I’ve been to Supermacs. Not a bad fast food option if you’re in Ireland.

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MsJ  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:24:55am

re: #113 Myron Falwell

Ivanka is directly implicated here in the Buzzfeed article as instructing to lie. I don’t know if there’s any way he can protect her even if he did resign.

Ivanka, Eric, Junior and Jared are all in deep shit right now. Trump can’t save them (by pardoning before the fact) without admitting a shitton of guilt, and even if Pence had the opportunity to pardon them all, I could see him letting them twist in the wind.

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bratwurst  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:25:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:25:33am

re: #343 HappyWarrior

I’ve been to Supermacs. Not a bad fast food option if you’re in Ireland.

they cannot simply copyright everyting with a Mac in it, especially in Celtic countries

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:26:42am

re: #346 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they cannot simply copyright everyting with a Mac in it, especially in Celtic countries

Yeah it’d literally be akin to if Son got copyrighted here.

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jeffreyw  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:27:15am

Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:27:40am

re: #345 bratwurst

Good morning. I’m a fucking idiot who believes there are Islamic terrorists devious enough to hide themselves among a caravan of Central American migrants attempting to cross the US border…but careless enough to regularly leave prayer rugs behind as evidence. Wow am I dumb.

They disguise themselves by wearing a Bin Laden mask…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:28:15am

re: #345 bratwurst

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It’s just so profoundly stupid.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:28:30am

re: #307 Dave In Austin

It’s total bulkshit all the time from Trumpworld.

He’s in meltdown mode trying to deflect and project, so he’s back to his fallback xenophobia, Islamophobia, and blatant white nationalism/nativism bulkshit.

There’s no crisis at the border except the one Trump created to deflect from the bigger Constitutional crisis he engaged in by violating his oath daily.

This is the time to start impeachment. It’s a political process. It doesn’t require Mueller’s report. It doesn’t require a conviction of Trump.

It requires the House to vote on articles of impeachment. That’s the start of the process.

It’s then on to the Senate to conduct and trial to remove him. That’s where the GOP and McConnell will step in and ignore the US Constitution as well, lying about the need to conduct a full investigation, indictments, etc., from the DOJ. Those are not necessary. They’ve never been necessary. The charge list that the House could come up with is sufficient without needing Mueller.

With Mueller, you’d have a multi volume tome rivaling LOTR on the charges alone; the evidence includes every public utterance, lie, goalpost moving statement by Rudy, etc.

And speaking of Rudy, his statements in the past 24 hours shows that the shit’s about to hit the fan because he’s no longer claiming that there was no collusion to that Trump did not engage in it, while those in the admin and campaign did.

That’s a key break. It means that it’s dawning on Rudy that he’s representing only Trump - not his kids, not Manafort, not anyone else at the June 2016 meeting or anyone else in the campaign. It’s a tacit admission that Trump may be willing to throw even his spawn under the bus. This is about saving Trump personally now.

But the rub is that everything the campaign was doing was at Trump’s behest.

Conspiracy against the US under 18 USC 371 doesn’t require Trump to know all the specific details of the conspiracy - but if he directed them to engage in behaviors to contact, etc., then he’s done for.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:28:31am

re: #341 Belafon

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Before McDonalds moved into Israel, there was a small chain of “McDavids”. Mickey D squashed that. Haven’t lived until you’ve had a Pesach quarter-pounder-no-cheese on a potato-flour bun.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:28:51am

re: #347 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’d literally be akin to if Son got copyrighted here.

or anything with -vich or -ovich in Slavic countries

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MsJ  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:28:51am

re: #142 Myron Falwell

I agree.

Devin Nunes will clearly be the first to fall, we know outright that there’s an investigation on him. No one in the House or Senate should feel immune, quite frankly.

Even if there wasn’t the specter of widespread corruption that’s enveloped their party, they’d be the least impressive lot you could ever find.

It just so happens that McSally, Cornyn, Ernst and Collins are up for reelection next year… assuming they don’t turn tail and flee for the hills.

Have I mentioned that I am **really** happy that you have returned?

If not, shame on me.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:30:01am

re: #353 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

or anything with -vich or -ovich in Slavic countries

Right. or -ova. My cousin has that in her name.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:30:20am

Oh, and Czechoslovakians are also coming across the southern border, no doubt dressed in their colorful native clothing.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:30:25am

re: #354 MsJ

Have I mentioned that I am **really** happy that you have returned?

If not, shame on me.

Ditto. It’s good having you back Myron.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:30:57am

re: #349 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They disguise themselves by wearing a Bin Laden mask…

if all they found were rugs they left behind, then the ‘terrorists’ [yeah sure] are already here, right?

omg omg omg! what’s the government doing about that????!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MsJ  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:31:10am

re: #176 FormerDirtDart ????

“lynch”
Yeah, calling a racist scumbag out is equivalent to a lynching.
These fucker can’t help but don their robes and hoods for all to see

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That fucker has a spokesperson? Fucking Chuck Johnson has a spokesperson?

What. The. Actual. Fuck?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:31:39am

re: #356 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Oh, and Czechoslovakians are also coming across the southern border, no doubt dressed in their colorful native clothing.

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Discarded pilsner glasses?

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MsJ  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:32:00am

re: #183 ckkatz

Grrr… I cannot see the tweet that Moulitsas is referencing. I tried clicking on the date of the displayed tweet, going to his time line, and editing the url without any luck. Has it been removed and I am too late? Do I need to …shudder… join twitter to see it?

Not sure if anyone responded, but I can still see remnants.

So @kenvogel just called me—near midnight in DC—to tell me he was blocking me on Twitter over this lol. These people…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:32:14am

re: #356 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Oh, and Czechoslovakians are also coming across the southern border, no doubt dressed in their colorful native clothing.

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Actually, my Rusyn Slovak cousins do traditionally wear very colorful clothing. They’re bringing pirohy and they’re bring kolbasi and some of them I assume are good babas. But yikes this rancher sounds really really stupid. Also Texas has a fairly big Czech-American community.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:32:19am

re: #352 Decatur Deb

Before McDonalds moved into Israel, there was a small chain of “McDavids”. Mickey D squashed that. Haven’t lived until you’ve had a Pesach quarter-pounder-no-cheese on a potato-flour bun.

Was there a McGoliath across the street, offering larger portions?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:33:09am

re: #360 Decatur Deb

Discarded pilsner glasses?

Kafka prayer books. Gregor Samsa, the lord is with thee.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:33:20am

re: #355 HappyWarrior

Right. or -ova. My cousin has that in her name.

Which is what makes Russian names appear really long: anything ending in -inskii or -tskii or -ovskii simply means “son of” or “belonging to/coming from”

Ivanovich = Johnson
Kuibishevski = Smith
Vysotskii = Hill

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Decatur Deb  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:34:09am

re: #363 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Was there a McGoliath across the street, offering larger portions?

Good place for stoners at 0300 hrs.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:34:45am

re: #362 HappyWarrior

Actually, my Rusyn Slovak cousins do traditionally wear very colorful clothing. They’re bringing pirohy and they’re bring kolbasi and some of them I assume are good babas. But yikes this rancher sounds really really stupid. Also Texas has a fairly big Czech-American community.

Cedar Rapids has a very nice Czech-Slovak Museum. It’s brand new, because the old one was flooded a few years back when CR had a major flood.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:35:07am

re: #365 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which is what makes Russian names appear really long: anything ending in -inskii or -tskii or -ovskii simply means “son of” or “belonging to/coming from”

Ivanovich = Johnson
Kuibishevski = Smith
Vysotskii = Hill

Yeah Koval also means smith. Apparently my grandmother’s maiden name is blacksmith in Slovak. Which is funny because her son in law, my dad is the great grandson of a blacksmith who had Schmitt(I assume that’s German for Smith) in his surname.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:36:05am

re: #367 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Cedar Rapids has a very nice Czech-Slovak Museum. It’s brand new, because the old one was flooded a few years back when CR had a major flood.

It’s a fascinating place. I very much enjoyed my time in Slovakia last summer. Good food, very nice people, and really a lot of fun.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:36:47am

re: #355 HappyWarrior

Right. or -ova. My cousin has that in her name.

Courtney Loveova

Heather Novaova

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Decatur Deb  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:36:56am

re: #367 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Cedar Rapids has a very nice Czech-Slovak Museum. It’s brand new, because the old one was flooded a few years back when CR had a major flood.

The very best history museums have nothing but brand-new things.

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:36:57am

re: #301 Patricia Kayden

I had that fight on Twitter last night. Here’s the big point: They can fire him, but he can’t fire them.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:37:44am

JFC

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:38:18am

re: #371 Decatur Deb

The very best history museums have nothing but brand-new things.

Well, I meant the building was brand new, not the contents, which they managed to save from the flood.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:38:45am

re: #97 Talking Point Detective

If the BuzzFeed story is true, Mueller has corroborating evidence of Trump subborning perjury, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy to commit a crime (commit perjury).

Demz will have to impeach.

Will Republicans in the Senate stand behind a felon? Will they go with the “it’s just a process crime” to justify a felon (assuming there will be no evidence of conspiracy with Russia)?

They’re fucked either way. If they go into 2020 defending a felon-president in impeachment hearings, the Demz will get both houses of Congress and the WH. Romney will be the far right fringe of the Republican Party.

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If they vote to convict Trump, they’re screwed the exact same way. The Republican Party will be dead for 15 years.

Good times.

Is the BuzzFeed story just too good to be true?

Is our long, national nightmare over?

Yep. This will be at the mandated impeachment point if congress is to remain a co-equal branch of government and we are to be a nation of laws. we cannot have a POTUS directing people to commit perjury in testimony before the congress to cover up business dealings in a hostile nation.

Oh, and this confirms that Putin had Kompromat. Putin knew Trump was lying about this the entire time and was holding that info for whenever he liked.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:38:57am

re: #360 Decatur Deb

Discarded pilsner glasses?

Hope they are not trying to bring in Budweiser glasses from Budjovice (Budweis), or they would have some serious trademark violations on their hands in addition to terrorism…

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:39:42am

re: #325 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Fathead is awake

Because it’s still her job to keep you accountable.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:40:32am

re: #367 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Cedar Rapids has a very nice Czech-Slovak Museum. It’s brand new, because the old one was flooded a few years back when CR had a major flood.

My granddad emigrated from Slovakia to Iowa around the turn of the last century. Married a Sudenten Czech girl named Maria Schultz

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Decatur Deb  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:41:09am

re: #376 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hope they are not trying to bring in Budweiser glasses from Budjovice (Budweis), or they would have some serious trademark violations on their hands in addition to terrorism…

Yeah, in Texas there’s an Anheuser lawyer behind every Busch.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:43:30am

re: #370 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Courtney Loveova

Heather Novaova

Nah my cousin is the real thing. She’s a native of our ancestral village. You saying Courtney though, it reminds me of when my Polish born philosophy professor told us our first names in Polish. “No, there’s no Brittany/Courtney in Polish.” Heh, it was a Geded but he was a nice guy. Very approachable.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:46:20am

re: #378 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My granddad emigrated from Slovakia to Iowa around the turn of the last century. Married a Sudenten Czech girl named Maria Schultz

That part of the US was a real melting pot. There’s a Swedish-American museum (very tiny!) in that part of Iowa, too. People nowadays don’t realize how diverse the USA has always been, though now they would not consider Swedes and Czechs to be especially diverse.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:49:18am

re: #381 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

That part of the US was a real melting pot. There’s a Swedish-American museum (very tiny!) in that part of Iowa, too. People nowadays don’t realize how diverse the USA has always been, though now they would not consider Swedes and Czechs to be especially diverse.

Even in the colonies days. One of the signers of the Declaration, I forget his name offhand but he was of Finnish ancestry. This whole “Anglo-Saxon heritage” stuff has always been absurd and just done by Americans of Protestant British descent to make themselves feel like this was their country before us Ethnics and PoC “ruined it”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:49:28am

re: #381 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

That part of the US was a real melting pot. There’s a Swedish-American museum (very tiny!) in that part of Iowa, too. People nowadays don’t realize how diverse the USA has always been, though now they would not consider Swedes and Czechs to be especially diverse.

My mom’s side of the family is from Croatia and Hungary

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Decatur Deb  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:51:19am

re: #382 HappyWarrior

Even in the colonies days. One of the signers of the Declaration, I forget his name offhand but he was of Finnish ancestry. This whole “Anglo-Saxon heritage” stuff has always been absurd and just done by Americans of Protestant British descent to make themselves feel like this was their country before us Ethnics and PoC “ruined it”.

Ben Franklin was concerned that the number of German-speaking immigrants was overtaking the English. Of course, to the Amish, we’re all “English”.

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MsJ  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:51:48am

re: #356 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Oh, and Czechoslovakians are also coming across the southern border, no doubt dressed in their colorful native clothing.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:52:01am

Since we’re talking about family history stuff, did you all catch the AeroMexico DNA ad?

DNA DISCOUNTS advertisement for “AeroMexico” airlines

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:52:16am
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bd(it's all true)  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:53:22am

Didn’t we already do this “prayer rug at the border” bit and them turning out to be Nike towels and other assorted abandoned garments?

I’m feeling deja vu really bad…..

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Decatur Deb  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:53:32am

re: #387 Dave In Austin

Less than 140 characters.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:53:50am

Holy shitsnacks - read this thread.

Trump not only revoked military flight for the Pelosi CODEL to Afghanistan via Brussels (where they’d meet with NATO officials), but he leaked details of a possible commercial flight as well - making it impossible to go.

At same time, Trump had no problem with Melania flying off to Mar a Lago where he profits from the trip.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:55:13am

re: #388 bd(it’s all true)

Didn’t we already do this “prayer rug at the border” bit and them turning out to be Nike towels and other assorted abandoned garments?

I’m feeling deja vu really bad…..

Deja moo: The sense that you’ve heard this bullshit before.

—Some comedian from the ’70s

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:57:26am

re: #388 bd(it’s all true)

Didn’t we already do this “prayer rug at the border” bit and them turning out to be Nike towels and other assorted abandoned garments?

I’m feeling deja vu really bad…..

The July 9, 2014, news story was written for breitbart.com by Picket, who also wrote the story on prayer rugs found by ranchers near Laredo, Texas that Dewhurst relied on.

By email, Breitbart spokesman Bardella pointed out an editor’s note attached to the end of the July 2014 story. The note said: “We reasonably relied on the statements and picture provided by a third-party source regarding the finding of an apparent prayer shawl at the border. There are now conflicting reports about those statements; however, the third party source still fully stands behind the accuracy of his original account.”

To get our own sense of the photo’s accuracy, we sent a copy of the photograph and a request for analysis to over a dozen U.S. religious figures and scholars. We received eight replies, with all the respondents saying the pictured item did not look like a prayer rug.

Frank Griffel, chairman of the Council of Middle East Studies at Yale University, said: “Is this a joke? What makes people think that the vague cloth at the border is a prayer rug? I can’t see any connection. It’s an old piece of cloth and it has no resemblance to a rug, even less so to a prayer rug.”

Samer Ali, associate professor of Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Texas, said it didn’t look like a prayer rug because it was too thin, had seams, had hems and didn’t look like any design he’d seen on a prayer rug.

Mustafa Umar, director of education and outreach at the Islamic Institute of Orange County in California, said: “The checkered pattern is not characteristic of a prayer rug and was in fact discouraged by the Prophet Muhammad to use because that pattern distracts the Muslim from prayer.”

politifact.com

Yep, I’m calling bullshit……again….

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 6:59:47am

re: #388 bd(it’s all true)

Didn’t we already do this “prayer rug at the border” bit and them turning out to be Nike towels and other assorted abandoned garments?

I’m feeling deja vu really bad…..

Yes. And it’s quite possible Trump was watching Sicario: Day of the Soldado.

What’s laughable is that there’s no actual evidence this happened in reality. Trump’s just spewing nonsense hoping something sticks, while the need for impeachment is already past the boiling point.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:02:12am

re: #392 bd(it’s all true)

The July 9, 2014, news story was written for breitbart.com by Picket, who also wrote the story on prayer rugs found by ranchers near Laredo, Texas that Dewhurst relied on.

By email, Breitbart spokesman Bardella pointed out an editor’s note attached to the end of the July 2014 story. The note said: “We reasonably relied on the statements and picture provided by a third-party source regarding the finding of an apparent prayer shawl at the border. There are now conflicting reports about those statements; however, the third party source still fully stands behind the accuracy of his original account.”

To get our own sense of the photo’s accuracy, we sent a copy of the photograph and a request for analysis to over a dozen U.S. religious figures and scholars. We received eight replies, with all the respondents saying the pictured item did not look like a prayer rug.

Frank Griffel, chairman of the Council of Middle East Studies at Yale University, said: “Is this a joke? What makes people think that the vague cloth at the border is a prayer rug? I can’t see any connection. It’s an old piece of cloth and it has no resemblance to a rug, even less so to a prayer rug.”

Samer Ali, associate professor of Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Texas, said it didn’t look like a prayer rug because it was too thin, had seams, had hems and didn’t look like any design he’d seen on a prayer rug.

Mustafa Umar, director of education and outreach at the Islamic Institute of Orange County in California, said: “The checkered pattern is not characteristic of a prayer rug and was in fact discouraged by the Prophet Muhammad to use because that pattern distracts the Muslim from prayer.”

politifact.com

Yep, I’m calling bullshit……again….

Funny thing is Bardella is now calling himself a Democrat or at least independent of the Trump GOP. I don’t exactly trust him 100% but I respect his introspection much more than his fellow former Breitbrat Shapiro.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:03:13am

Trump is so easy to manipulate and get into a frenzy. You could tell him that there are Hispanic men named Omar and he’d see it as proof of Islamism in Latin America.

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MsJ  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:03:58am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:07:12am

re: #396 MsJ

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He could very well have one of the most ugly losses by an incumbent in history. HISTORIC RATINGS! TBH, I think he really did benefit from a perfect storm. We’re ready for the son of a bitch and his Russian pals this time.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:07:13am
Conservatives freak out after mistaking soccer jersey for ‘Muslim prayer rug’ left at border

rawstory.com

11 JUL 2014 AT 12:05 ET

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:09:23am
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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:09:31am

re: #279 Talking Point Detective

5

Prolly depends on what happens after 2020. But all these Pubz sucking up to a felon-in-chief are seriously damaged.

If the BuzzFeed story is confirmed, the rest of rhe Mueller probe on Russia collusion is (delicious) icing on the cake.

Barr made it clear, in his testimony, that he considers coaching a witness to lie under oath is obstruction of justice.

Demz will impeach now. Pubz will be in a position to either condone a felony by the president, or vote to remove a president that they sucked up to for two years.

I’m buying shares in popcorn companies. This is going to be a high point in our country’s political history after a prolonged existential threat.

Morning!

Has “IT” tweeted yet??? I haven’t been through the whole thread.

My thinking on last nights revelation is it might just be a little appetizer released through the back door by Mueller.

Info has been tough coming out of his team, so why all of a sudden did this drop last night?

I’m thinking two reasons. One: maybe to help loosen up some reluctant Republicans in this shutdown. If it sends some waves out in the media and the home constituents see it and start accepting Trump is in trouble, it might be enough for them to push on GOP Senators who then push on McConnell to end it all. Who knows it might even loosen up Mitch. There is a point where protecting Trump to keep his base isn’t going to work.

Two: Mueller has much more damaging info than this recent revelation. Sure, this is big, but is it as big as it gets? This might further bring out some of the lingering people like Stone and others to give up and talk because they are realizing they are screwed. And it probably has Trump and family members scrambling. That might cause them to mess up and expose even more. Who knows what level of surveillance they are under, but I’m guessing it is pretty thorough.

I do believe it has been a very calculated release and there are reasons behind it.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:10:42am

re: #398 bd(it’s all true)

Well, it *is* true that some Muslims are very passionate about football.
//

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:11:22am

re: #398 bd(it’s all true)

rawstory.com

11 JUL 2014 AT 12:05 ET

Okay so I’ve seen people on our side do this with dated headlines though to be fair, those headlines usually are from around the same date but to make this even bad to go without saying is the fucking President isn’t reading dates on the stories he’s reading.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:11:28am

re: #396 MsJ

A remarkably bad new poll for Trump: A quarter of his supporters aren’t committed to voting for him in 2020 and among independents, who he won in 2016, 62 percent plan to vote against him.

The whole GOP strategy was to get these hoards out to vote while suppressing enough of the other voters (through active measures or through spreading a message of apathy and indifference) to guarantee an electoral majority.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:12:24am

re: #401 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Well, it *is* true that some Muslims are very passionate about football.
//

I remember a Muslim guy pick sixing Brady and getting penalized for doing a prayer in the EZ. Silence from the people who insisted Tebow was persecuted. I don’t hate Tebow mind you but I hated the people who acted like he was a victim of religious persecution.

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MsJ  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:12:29am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:12:40am

re: #403 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The whole GOP strategy was to get these hoards out to vote while suppressing enough of the other voters (through active measures or through spreading a message of apathy and indifference) to guarantee an electoral majority.

That ain’t happening this time.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:13:36am

hahahahahahahahahaha

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:16:59am

re: #407 Myron Falwell

hahahahahahahahahaha

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Sammy Gravano also being a crook testifying against John Gotti didn’t change that Gotti was a crook too Donnie Do-no-good. And yeah I see you’re still harassing the man’s father in law. I’ll remind you who your daughter’s father in law is as well as who Jared Kushner’s father in law is.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:19:39am

re: #408 HappyWarrior

Sammy Gravano also being a crook testifying against John Gotti didn’t change that Gotti was a crook too Donnie Do-no-good. And yeah I see you’re still harassing the man’s father in law. I’ll remind you who your daughter’s father in law is as well as who Jared Kushner’s father in law is.

Somebody tell trumpee that using the mobster’s defense line isn’t a good look.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:24:43am

re: #408 HappyWarrior

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:26:13am

re: #409 Sir John Barron

Somebody tell trumpee that using the mobster’s defense line isn’t a good look.

lol nah, it’s perfectly in line with the Trump “brand”

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:26:34am

re: #373 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

It is unreal. Very unreal. Fake news even.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:26:49am

re: #409 Sir John Barron

Somebody tell trumpee that using the mobster’s defense line isn’t a good look.

If only there were people in Trump’s inner circle and legal defense that would know how mobsters got taken down.

Checks notes…

Rudolph Giuliani - SDNY federal prosecutor
Chris Christie DNJ federal prosecutor.

Yeah… Trump’s fucked. His counsel is left pounding on the table and admitting that everyone else in Trumpworld conspired with foreign powers but it wasn’t at Trump’s behest (when everyone saw Trump call on Russia to help).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:27:01am

re: #409 Sir John Barron

Somebody tell trumpee that using the mobster’s defense line isn’t a good look.

You’d think Rudy would but Rudy’s gone. I miss the Rudy that tried to be cool and with it by appearing on SNL and in lame Adam Sandler movies. Not the hack defending the worst President in American history.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:27:09am

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Talking Point Detective  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:29:01am

re: #400 ObserverArt

Non-denial denial. He didn’t say he didn’t tell Cohen to lie. Only attacked Cohen. Same with Rudy.

It’s a very good sign.

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retired cynic  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:31:30am

re: #131 Joe Bacon ??

In regards to soon to be ex-Representative Tom Marino. Read the attached link to see how he worked hand in hand with FUCKING Orrin Hatch to weaken the DEA and let Oxycontin run wild.

washingtonpost.com

There it is! That’s what I was trying to remember.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:32:53am

re: #417 retired cynic

There it is! That’s what I was trying to remember.

Aha! That was something I didn’t know about.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:33:02am

I know what the spin will be here - Trump and GOP will claim that this is a direct result of Democrats retaking the House.

It’s pure BS. Trump’s trade war, criming, and scandals are coming to a head, and businesses saw that the holiday season wasn’t as good as they expected. It’s suggesting that there’s softness in the economy that also relates to the 2018 stock market being down on the year.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:33:13am

re: #417 retired cynic

There it is! That’s what I was trying to remember.

Illicit drugs come from the Southern border, not from our pharmaceutical companies and doctors!!!

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Alephnaught  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:33:36am

re: #407 Myron Falwell

hahahahahahahahahaha

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“Watch father-in-law!”?!?! Is this a threat against Cohen’s family?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:33:50am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

You’d think Rudy would but Rudy’s gone. I miss the Rudy that tried to be cool and with it by appearing on SNL and in lame Adam Sandler movies. Not the hack defending the worst President in American history.

Just like the above video with Seth Meyers, the fact Rudy had to move the goalposts on live TV — after weeks months almost a full year of saying to the contrary it was never collusion… it’s beyond laughable, but at the same time, so fucking sad.

If Rudy doesn’t quit after all this, then it’s obvious he is just going through the motions.

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Talking Point Detective  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:33:51am

re: #331 MsJ

I think you may be underestimating how different this is. Pubz are in a real conundrum this time pending coroboration. They are either supporting a felon or voting to convict their own president.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:34:08am

re: #419 lawhawk

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I know what the spin will be here - Trump and GOP will claim that this is a direct result of Democrats retaking the House.

It’s pure BS. Trump’s trade war, criming, and scandals are coming to a head, and businesses saw that the holiday season wasn’t as good as they expected. It’s suggesting that there’s softness in the economy that also relates to the 2018 stock market being down on the year.

Of course they will. Nothing that goes wrong can ever be a result of Republican especially Trump actions.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:34:39am

There’s blood in the water.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:34:50am

re: #422 Myron Falwell

Just like the above video with Seth Meyers, the fact Rudy had to move the goalposts on live TV — after weeks months almost a full year of saying to the contrary it was never collusion… it’s beyond laughable, but at the same time, so fucking sad.

If Rudy doesn’t quit after all this, then it’s obvious he is just going through the motions.

I still think Rudy is involved somehow in the crimes themselves. You know he was getting dirt from the NY field office.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:35:15am

re: #421 Alephnaught

“Watch father-in-law!”?!?! Is this a threat against Cohen’s family?

Yep. Trump threatened Cohen’s FIL on his phone interview with Ducklips back on Saturday. He’s octopuling down.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:35:30am

re: #421 Alephnaught

“Watch father-in-law!”?!?! Is this a threat against Cohen’s family?

That’s exactly what it is, and that’s how Cohen has taken it to mean.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:36:02am

re: #425 goddamnedfrank

There’s blood in the water.

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I don’t like Christie at all but he was qualified to handle a Presidential transition. Jared’s only qualification is he’s living Trump’s dream which is being able ot nail Ivanka Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:36:36am

re: #428 lawhawk

That’s exactly what it is, and that’s how Cohen has taken it to mean.

We really do have an orange gangster as President.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:36:59am

re: #425 goddamnedfrank

Christie is going to position himself as the good guy and white hat in all this.

Bulkshit.

He knew or had reason to know that everyone in Trumpworld was filthy. He was silent. He played along. He knew that Pence knew. He knew about Flynn. All of it.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:38:33am

re: #426 HappyWarrior

I still think Rudy is involved somehow in the crimes themselves. You know he was getting dirt from the NY field office.

At this point, it would be a much-needed mercy killing for Rudy.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:38:54am

P.S. Am I the only one who finds the Krassenstein brothers annoying?

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Talking Point Detective  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:40:13am

re: #427 Myron Falwell

Yep. Trump threatened Cohen’s FIL on his phone interview with Ducklips back on Saturday. He’s octopuling down.

He’s adding threatening a witness to getting a witness to commit perjury. Straight up gangster.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:40:21am

re: #433 GlutenFreeJesus

P.S. Am I the only one who finds the Krassenstein brothers annoying?

No.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:40:26am

re: #433 GlutenFreeJesus

No. You’re not.

They’re a shade above Mensch and Abramson and Dworkin.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:40:39am

re: #432 Myron Falwell

At this point, it would be a much-needed mercy killing for Rudy.

There are times I almost feel bad for him seeing him do what he does but he was a shitty mayor and he’s an all around shit person.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:41:19am

re: #433 GlutenFreeJesus

P.S. Am I the only one who finds the Krassenstein brothers annoying?

Don’t know them offhand. Should I?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:43:22am

Found! Republican prayer rug!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:44:04am

re: #433 GlutenFreeJesus

P.S. Am I the only one who finds the Krassenstein brothers annoying?

No. There’s always been an unpleasant aroma of griftiness to them.

Although I did have a long sustained laugh when they reported Jacob Wohl to the FBI. Nothing like hot grifter-on-grifter action.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:44:38am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

Don’t know them offhand. Should I?

No. lol

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:47:20am

re: #415 Dave In Austin

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:47:35am
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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:49:10am

re: #437 HappyWarrior

Rudy’s record as mayor as he’d like everyone to know:
9/11.

Rudy’s actual record:
Failing to deal with problems FDNY/NYPD had with radios in skyscrapers, including WTC complex.
Placed command center at 7WTC despite warnings that this could jeopardize emergency response at WTC.
Police brutality and stop and frisk targeted minorities.
Took credit for drop in crime properly attributed to Bratton, Safir, and Kerik and their use of compstat. Fired Bratton because he was getting more credit and Rudy couldn’t handle sharing credit.
Schools were meh, infrastructure was meh.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:49:55am

re: #416 Talking Point Detective

Non-denial denial. He didn’t say he didn’t tell Cohen to lie. Only attacked Cohen. Same with Rudy.

It’s a very good sign.

cohen recorded a lot
im hoping there’s tapes

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:50:41am

re: #440 Myron Falwell

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:50:58am

re: #443 Scottish Dragon

“Trump put troops in danger” - Every Democrat.

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William Lewis  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:51:28am

re: #277 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Wise. Annoying but still wise.

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Talking Point Detective  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:51:43am

re: #445 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

cohen recorded a lot
im hoping there’s tapes

They found a lot of shit in the raid. I suspect this isn’t from Mueller.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:52:34am

re: #429 HappyWarrior

I don’t like Christie at all but he was qualified to handle a Presidential transition. Jared’s only qualification is he’s living Trump’s dream which is being able ot nail Ivanka Trump.

assumes she still…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:52:39am

re: #444 lawhawk

Rudy’s record as mayor as he’d like everyone to know:
9/11.

Rudy’s actual record:
Failing to deal with problems FDNY/NYPD had with radios in skyscrapers, including WTC complex.
Placed command center at 7WTC despite warnings that this could jeopardize emergency response at WTC.
Police brutality and stop and frisk targeted minorities.
Took credit for drop in crime properly attributed to Bratton, Safir, and Kerik and their use of compstat. Fired Bratton because he was getting more credit and Rudy couldn’t handle sharing credit.
Schools were meh, infrastructure was meh.

Exactly. Didn’t he also try to extend his career after he was essentially term limited.

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Talking Point Detective  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:52:45am

I can’t get over how great it will be if Trump gets taken down by a two-bit grifter (with an assist by an adult film actress).

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:53:08am

re: #447 Belafon

“Trump put troops in danger” - Every Democrat.

Trump put troops in danger.
Trump put the Speaker of House and members of Congress in danger by revealing travel plans.

Trump is a clear and present danger to the USA.

All of the above is true.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:53:13am

re: #450 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

assumes she still…

Hahaha, I was just saying in a vulgar way that Donald only likes Jared because they have Ivanka in common but that’s fair.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:54:17am

re: #454 HappyWarrior

Hahaha, I was just saying in a vulgar way that Donald only likes Jared because they have Ivanka in common but that’s fair.

I assume he shares upskirt photos with his father-in-law

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:54:31am

re: #453 lawhawk

Trump put troops in danger.
Trump put the Speaker of House and members of Congress in danger by revealing travel plans.

Trump is a clear and present danger to the USA.

All of the above is true.

He’s a spiteful brat. And I guess this is what I get at when I say Trump is unique. Reagan? Bush? Nixon? Awful presidents and even awful people but I can’t see them putting the Democratic leader and troops in danger out of sheer spite.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:55:23am

re: #455 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I assume he shares upskirt photos with his father-in-law

I feel kind of bad for Jared and Ivanka’s kids. Their grandfathers are both awful people. Their parents are no prizes either.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:55:34am

re: #456 HappyWarrior

He’s a spiteful brat. And I guess this is what I get at when I say Trump is unique. Reagan? Bush? Nixon? Awful presidents and even awful people but I can’t see them putting the Democratic leader and troops in danger out of sheer spite.

which is what I mean about him setting out to do maximum damage when he is removed from office through impeachment or voters

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:55:40am

re: #448 William Lewis

Wise. Annoying but still wise.

its now 11am and the fevers gone
im wondering that i could do a couple miles
but i probably shouldnt
but i could…..
nah….
maybe…

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William Lewis  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:55:50am

So today is payday.

And - holiday pay! A bit more coin than expected. Not a lot but enough to put a new toy into the “WTH” category and sent off payment.

What kind of toy you might ask? Well, a custom made sword actually. Being sold at a significant discount because it’s allegedly blemished though I can’t see anything in the photo’s posted on the book of faces:

Facebook Post

Very similar to the La Tene style of celtic swordsmithing but with modern 5160 steel it should be able to confuse an archeologist in a couple of centuries… LOL!

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Dr. Matt  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:56:20am

Despite the latest news about Dear Leader, Donnie cultists are still too stupid to realize they have been conned.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:56:43am

re: #452 Talking Point Detective

I can’t get over how great it will be if Trump gets taken down by a two-bit grifter (with an assist by an adult film actress).

his own

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Talking Point Detective  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:57:27am

re: #462 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

his own

+1

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:57:48am

re: #458 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

which is what I mean about him setting out to do maximum damage when he is removed from office through impeachment or voters

Yeah he’s not going to take a defeat well. We’re already seeing how he’s acting after losing the House.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 7:59:56am

re: #443 Scottish Dragon

Never misunderestimate Speaker Pelosi. You and I know she’s bigly pissed at Trump, and whatever she does next to him, he’ll have totally deserved it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:03:18am

re: #465 Myron Falwell

Never misunderestimate Speaker Pelosi. You and I know she’s bigly pissed at Trump, and whatever she does next to him, he’ll have totally deserved it.

I think she may be just a little more open to impeachment than she was before his latest stunt.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:04:25am

Tonight on Tucker: Over-sexed Pandas are taking up smoking post-coitus

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:05:18am

re: #461 Dr. Matt

Despite the latest news about Dear Leader, Donnie cultists are still too stupid to realize they have been conned.

The only cultists that matter now are the 53 GOP senators. Not the 30-35% dyed-in-the-wool base.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:06:24am

re: #467 Dr. Matt

Tonight on Tucker: Over-sexed Pandas are taking up smoking post-coitus

I assume they use Big Bamboo rolling papers…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:06:45am

re: #461 Dr. Matt

Despite the latest news about Dear Leader, Donnie cultists are still too stupid to realize they have been conned.

You know what? Let em think that. It will make the revelations of Trump mocking them all the more better.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:06:50am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:07:03am

re: #465 Myron Falwell

Never misunderestimate Speaker Pelosi. You and I know she’s bigly pissed at Trump, and whatever she does next to him, he’ll have totally deserved it.

Pelosi has been around a lot longer than Donnie. Donnie and his deviant regime are clueless about the potential weapons and bag of tricks she has at her disposal.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:08:22am

re: #472 Dr. Matt

Pelosi has been around a lot longer than Donnie. Donnie and his deviant regime are clueless about the potential weapons and bag of tricks she has at her disposal.

They really believe the chess-checkers montiff but the reality is Pelosi is playing Chess while Trump has melted cheese on his pieces.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:08:33am

re: #460 William Lewis

So today is payday.

And - holiday pay! A bit more coin than expected. Not a lot but enough to put a new toy into the “WTH” category and sent off payment.

What kind of toy you might ask? Well, a custom made sword actually. Being sold at a significant discount because it’s allegedly blemished though I can’t see anything in the photo’s posted on the book of faces:

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Very similar to the La Tene style of celtic swordsmithing but with modern 5160 steel it should be able to confuse an archeologist in a couple of centuries… LOL!

Correct anthropomorphic handle.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:10:51am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:11:05am

re: #473 HappyWarrior

They really believe the chess-checkers montiff but the reality is Pelosi is playing three-dimensional Chess while Trump has melted cheese on his pieces.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:12:11am

I guess this is happening:

Too bad for them that Donnie has stolen all the oxygen out of the room.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:12:45am

Donnie is going to be upset when he finds out he can’t have a conjugal visit with his Twitter account.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:13:20am

re: #476 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That works too. The point is Pelosi knows exactly what she’s doing and Trump is eating hamberders.

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:13:25am

re: #477 freetoken

I guess this is happening:

Too bad for them that Donnie has stolen all the oxygen out of the room.

“Well, good, don’t have one. Leave everyone else alone.”

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ipsos  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:13:28am

re: #477 freetoken

I guess this is happening:

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Too bad for them that Donnie has stolen all the oxygen out of the room.

Wow. The size of that crowd.

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William Lewis  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:13:37am

re: #474 Scottish Dragon

Correct anthropomorphic handle.

Yep. The blade is very similar to a museum piece as well so handling should be very similar. More of a cutter than a thruster which is fine since my primary study has been 19th century Military Saber. It should be a very nice blade to work out with, especially with a left hand buckler.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:13:52am

re: #476 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Jonah Goldberg really is a doughy pantload tool…but this is correct:

I’m not taking Pelosi’s side in this as a political or policy matter, but I would love to see it dawn on Congress that the executive branch is not in fact the boss of the legislative branch and that, over the long term, Congress actually has a lot more power over the executive than the other way around. Given the politics of the moment, I think things would have to get a lot worse before GOP congressmen see themselves more as defenders of their institution than their party. But it seems this is the way such a long-overdue awakening could start.

She can do far more to hurt him that he can to her.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:15:19am

re: #483 Scottish Dragon

Jonah Goldberg really is a doughy pantload tool…but this is correct:

She can do far more to hurt him that he can to her.

He ain’t wrong and Jonah while often intellectually dishonest definitely can see a future where there will be a Dem executive and a GOP majority Congress.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:17:09am

re: #483 Scottish Dragon

The GOP has enabled the Executive to usurp power that resides in the institution of Congress. They’ve abdicated their checks and balances on Trump.

In fact, right now McConnell is considering changing rules to make it easier for Trump to install his cronies across the government. This is precisely the time to shut down all of Trump’s picks across the board. But McConnell’s playing the long con, which is to sabotage functioning government and pack the courts with their right wing extremists so that they can try to roll back decades of progress all to give millionaires bigger tax breaks on the backs of everyone else.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:18:59am

re: #483 Scottish Dragon

Jonah Goldberg really is a doughy pantload tool…but this is correct:

She can do far more to hurt him that he can to her.

With a GOP majority in both houses, Congress was there to do what Donny wanted, except even then he could not get his act together to repeal ACA

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:19:15am

Trumpers on twitter all over bashing Buzzfeed… and totally ignoring things like the WSJ article about the same Cohen shuttling money off to Liberty U. machinery to produce propaganda.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:19:57am

I think the GOP may look back on Trump’s win in 2016 as a Pyrrhic victory for them and their movement. Obviously three years later, I wish HRC had won but I know had she won, Pelosi wouldn’t be Speaker today and a lot of the cracks in the right wing ideology wouldn’t be showing. That”s not to say I’m happy about what happened but we are where we are and I feel good about next year and taking back the Senate and the WH.

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MsJ  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:20:14am

re: #423 Talking Point Detective

I think you may be underestimating how different this is. Pubz are in a real conundrum this time pending coroboration. They are either supporting a felon or voting to convict their own president.

totally get it…and I stand by what I said.

They are all complicit. And I am certain that financial irregularities are going to keep them supporting trump because their own asses are on the line.

Just my thoughts but that’s what I believe.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:20:39am

re: #487 freetoken

Trumpers on twitter all over bashing Buzzfeed… and totally ignoring things like the WSJ article about the same Cohen shuttling money off to Liberty U. machinery to produce propaganda.

Of course. They’re bitching about Buzzfeed and probably posting that four 1/2 year old article about the prayer rugs too.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:20:51am

re: #482 William Lewis

Yep. The blade is very similar to a museum piece as well so handling should be very similar. More of a cutter than a thruster which is fine since my primary study has been 19th century Military Saber. It should be a very nice blade to work out with, especially with a left hand buckler.

The original was made from mild steel I think? So yeah, a cut and slash sword, not a cut and thrust. Meant to be used more with a full size shield though, I would guess. Possibly pair with another off hand weapon like a Viking seax? (yeah, later period, I know. A Celtiberian falcata would be period correct)

The schiavona was definitely the sort of sword you would use with a buckler.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:21:07am

re: #487 freetoken

Trumpers on twitter all over bashing Buzzfeed….

Brought to by the same people who spend every waking moment on 4chan and Breitbart.

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MsJ  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:21:23am

re: #425 goddamnedfrank

There’s blood in the water.

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Christie might be the only GOPer who is actually clean in this.

The fucking bridge dude.

Irony you cruel bitch.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:22:02am

re: #487 freetoken

Trumpers on twitter all over bashing Buzzfeed… and totally ignoring things like the WSJ article about the same Cohen shuttling money off to Liberty U. machinery to produce propaganda.

They’re ignoring that the Buzzfeed piece has corroborating evidence from multiple sources. It’s not just Cohen.

Or, more accurately, they’re not ignoring it. They’re trying to get everyone else to ignore it. It’s countermeasures.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:22:02am

re: #492 Dr. Matt

Brought to by the same people who spend every waking moment on 4chan and Breitbart.

Who also like FNC. Buzzfeed isn’t perfect but it’s better than Breitbart.

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retired cynic  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:22:55am

re: #415 Dave In Austin

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:23:05am

re: #494 lawhawk

They’re ignoring that the Buzzfeed piece has corroborating evidence from multiple sources. It’s not just Cohen.

Or, more accurately, they’re not ignoring it. They’re trying to get everyone else to ignore it. It’s countermeasures.

Attacking the messager. An old technique.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:25:30am

re: #497 HappyWarrior

Attacking the messager. An old technique.

Rudy and the rest of Donnie’s regime are doing the same thing this morning. Expect the Fox “news” cabana boys to do the same thing this evening.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:25:36am

re: #497 HappyWarrior

Attacking the messager. An old technique.

Yep. The wingnuts keep claiming Buzzfeed published the fakenews discredited dossier!!! and none of them seem to know that the dossier is not even remotely discredited outside their propaganda chamber.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:26:05am

re: #487 freetoken

Trumpers on twitter all over bashing Buzzfeed… and totally ignoring things like the WSJ article about the same Cohen shuttling money off to Liberty U. machinery to produce propaganda.

lol let them bash Buzzfeed.

Buzzfeed really has done what no other outlet has, and that’s break a story with unique pieces to it. Not “breaking” a story by finally connecting the dots to obvious things… they actually put into the conversation stuff we legitimately didn’t know about prior to last night.

I personally think this is as much as game-changer as LGF’s expose on the memo forgeries was to Dan Rather’s career.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:27:21am

re: #493 MsJ

Christie might be the only GOPer who is actually clean in this.

The fucking bridge dude.

Irony you cruel bitch.

he was literally on the beach with his family the whole time ////

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:28:02am
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:29:14am

re: #493 MsJ

Christie might be the only GOPer who is actually clean in this.

The fucking bridge dude.

Irony you cruel bitch.

Christie is a slime and a bully. I never said he was idiot. He stayed well clear of this fiasco when he got a good luck at the other players.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:29:55am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:31:40am

re: #502 Scottish Dragon

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I love it when he quotes his asslickers at FNC as if they are anything other than asslickers. Why is Kevin Corke credible Donny? Because he’s telling you what you want to hear. If he criticized you, you would come up with some stupid nickname for him. But I get it, you know you’re a failure as a President, man, and husband. The name Trump will be associated with treachery long after you’re gone.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:32:47am

re: #504 freetoken

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VP Trump would have to be approved by the House. But sure Michael, that would trigger us…………..into hysterical laughter if you think that would actually work. This is why people call Trump supporters stupid because you guys are incredibly stupid.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:33:06am

Some twitter folks like Brendan Nyhan have made a habit of dissing Seth Abramson. Seth has been correct right down the line as far as I can tell. He backs his analysis up with legit published sources (unlike Louise Mensch)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:33:41am

re: #493 MsJ

Christie might be the only GOPer who is actually clean in this.

The fucking bridge dude.

Irony you cruel bitch.

Maybe not clean but smart enough to know putting Kushner in charge of anything was a stupid idea.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:36:29am

Seriously, how’d you like to be Yoni Appelbaum right now? His timing was absolutely impeccable.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:39:11am
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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:40:19am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:41:50am

re: #510 freetoken

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You are linking to Jim Hoft and you’re mocking a reporter’s intelligence. Nice look. Did you eat paint before or after you tweeted this?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:42:13am

re: #511 lawhawk

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Behold a bag of dicks for you Mitch.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:47:54am

re: #472 Dr. Matt

Pelosi has been around a lot longer than Donnie. Donnie and his deviant regime are clueless about the potential weapons and bag of tricks she has at her disposal.

they figured anyone could play the game if they just won
worked for a while because both houses of congress contemporaneously rolled over

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:48:00am

local.theonion.com

This killed me. Brlliant satire there.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:52:04am

re: #486 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

With a GOP majority in both houses, Congress was there to do what Donny wanted, except even then he could not get his act together to repeal ACA

only because they gave up the idea of defending their own institution/territory

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:52:16am

This also should figure in an impeachment inquiry:

Trump didn’t just cancel the Pelosi/Schiff military flight for the trip to Afghanistan. When they started arranging commercial travel last night, he deliberately made it all public and put US military personnel, security details and the congressmen/women in danger.

This was an attack on the independence of congress.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:56:44am

re: #517 Scottish Dragon

This also should figure in an impeachment inquiry:

Trump didn’t just cancel the Pelosi/Schiff military flight for the trip to Afghanistan. When they started arranging commercial travel last night, he deliberately made it all public and put US military personnel, security details and the congressmen/women in danger.

This was an attack on the independence of congress.

Oh shit. Trump really has no idea what he opened himself up to here.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:57:27am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:57:51am

re: #517 Scottish Dragon

This also should figure in an impeachment inquiry:

Trump didn’t just cancel the Pelosi/Schiff military flight for the trip to Afghanistan. When they started arranging commercial travel last night, he deliberately made it all public and put US military personnel, security details and the congressmen/women in danger.

This was an attack on the independence of congress.

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My high school classmate Justin is absolutely correct here. And you know what? He sees nothing wrong with this. He thinks this is an appropriate response to Pelosi disinviting him from SOTU. He’s a toddler and he’s going to if he hasn’t already gotten people killed due to his immaturity.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 8:58:30am

re: #494 lawhawk

They’re ignoring that the Buzzfeed piece has corroborating evidence from multiple sources. It’s not just Cohen.

Or, more accurately, they’re not ignoring it. They’re trying to get everyone else to ignore it. It’s countermeasures.

from the washington examiner, of all places

It’s not merely Cohen accusing Trump of ordering him to lie.


Here’s the key sentence: “The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents. Cohen then acknowledged those instructions during his interviews with that office.”

If this is accurate, it means more than one Trump Organization employee accused Trump of this, and that printed records may confirm it — all before Cohen confirmed it. That would be pretty solid evidence against the president.

(i like bold and italics)

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:00:06am

re: #317 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

just what the mom ordered

Just got back from grocery shopping. Bought all the ingredients to make a big ol’ pot of chicken noodle soup. I’ll be cooking that up first thing tomorrow morning.

I’m getting ready for the Winterpocalypse they say is coming this weekend starting overnight tonight. Just keep the ice away from me….NO ICE!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:01:46am

re: #521 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

from the washington examiner, of all places

It’s not merely Cohen accusing Trump of ordering him to lie.

(i like bold and italics)

This should bring him down. Will it? But it should.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:03:51am
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Citizen K  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:04:25am

They will never learn. They outright refuse to learn. They are totally utterly convinced of their righteousness because they fucked over the woman they painted as the Grand Witch of Everything Wrong In America. Nothing will dissuade them from the idea that Clinton and Clinton alone is the source of all our problems, Trump included.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:05:38am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:05:51am

re: #519 Patricia Kayden

In light of the reports that the president is spitefully diverting badly needed financial aid away from Puerto Rico, Cora shouldn’t be forced to play nice with someone who is cruelly trying to cripple his people … who again are American citizens

or who is likely to poison him with bad fast food

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:06:49am
If this story is true — and we should indeed be cautious on that front — then it appears to be the strongest evidence yet that Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice.

I’d challenge the author on that. The firing of Comey, the sacking of Sessions… all amount to a habit of obstruction.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:08:04am

re: #525 Citizen K

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They will never learn. They outright refuse to learn. They are totally utterly convinced of their righteousness because they fucked over the woman they painted as the Grand Witch of Everything Wrong In America. Nothing will dissuade them from the idea that Clinton and Clinton alone is the source of all our problems, Trump included.

Except that’s not what he said. The emails definitely got too much focus.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:08:40am

re: #526 freetoken

Does the BuzzFeed report show that Trump obstructed justice? I asked 9 legal experts.

Yeah but what does obscure white guy five on FNC that looks like he ate shit say!

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:09:07am

Macabre:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:09:19am

re: #528 freetoken

I’d challenge the author on that. The firing of Comey, the sacking of Sessions… all amount to a habit of obstruction.

I really think we need to look at RICO for the Trump organization. Maybe that’s something SDNY would do though.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:09:30am

The problem is, while it’s obvious to me that this is made up nonsense, way to many people that want to agree with this asshat won’t even notice his fabrication.
2014?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:09:33am

re: #511 lawhawk

I still can’t see how Mitch is in any position of strength with his stonewalling. A desperate-sounding op-ed like this doesn’t change anything, nor does it change the fact his preferred outcome isn’t working at all.

The shutdown literally is the hill Mitch has chosen to die on.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:10:29am

re: #531 freetoken

There was a NatGeo or Smithsonian tv program that delved into that, and it caused the scientists to reappraise their prior claims about who some of the people actually were.

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:10:32am

re: #529 HappyWarrior

Except that’s not what he said. The emails definitely got too much focus.

I think Citizen K is agreeing with the last tweet.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:11:09am

Impeachment starts in the House Judiciary Committee. Rep. Nadler, who’s from NYC, would be the one to kick off things.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:11:43am

re: #536 Belafon

I think Citizen K is agreeing with the last tweet.

Oh I know. I was talking about that guy giving the Senator grief.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:12:49am
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Citizen K  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:12:51am

re: #529 HappyWarrior

Except that’s not what he said. The emails definitely got too much focus.

I’m talking about Paul Kane, the WaPo “Congressional reporter”. I’m echoing Matt’s (Who is easily worth a follow) exasperation with this continued bullshit. Especially since he remains utterly oblivious to the actual problem people have with the email coverage in continued responses to Schatz.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:13:28am

re: #526 freetoken

Does the BuzzFeed report show that Trump obstructed justice? I asked 9 legal experts.

you had to ask 9?
just to be sure, right?
//

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:14:16am

re: #533 FormerDirtDart ????

The problem is, while it’s obvious to me that this is made up nonsense, way to many people that want to agree with this asshat won’t even notice his fabrication.
2014?

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Charlie, dear, this is why you’re a stupider Ben Shapiro. Census data is from 2010. Not 2014. Also, once again I’m going to spell this out very loud for you so you can read it but here goes, you have to be a legal resident or citizen to get welfare and those sort of things. You like your hero Trump have no idea how most people become illegal immigrants. It’s not through crossing the border illegally. It’s through overstaying visas. The stupid wall wouldn’t change that. There’s a reason why you’re a really stupid man’s Ben Shapiro and you prove everytime you tweet. Maybe you should find a new line of work outside of politics and leave politics to people who actually know what they’re talking about rather than losers like you who pull shit out of their ass to try to convince ever more stupid people that they’re right.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:14:53am

re: #540 Citizen K

I’m talking about Paul Kane, the WaPo “Congressional reporter”. I’m echoing Matt’s (Who is easily worth a follow) exasperation with this continued bullshit. Especially since he remains utterly oblivious to the actual problem people have with the email coverage in continued responses to Schatz.

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Ah yeah I did mean Kane and not you. The issue isn’t that the emails got coverage. It’s that the emails got disproportionate.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:15:08am

How did the rancher know they were prayer rugs?

They were pointed toward Meccaheeco.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:15:34am

re: #528 freetoken

I’d challenge the author on that. The firing of Comey, the sacking of Sessions… all amount to a habit of obstruction.

once they are over the edge, i wouldnt be surprised if those two and other charges werent added in

they may not have been sufficient on their own. now they would add to the strength of the overall ‘case’

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:15:42am

re: #544 Barefoot Grin

How did the rancher know they were prayer rugs?

They were pointed toward Meccaheeco.

ISIS left their name tags on them.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:17:26am

It’s barely noon. just wait for the evening news dump.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:18:36am

The inevitable articles of impeachment drafted by the House … it would have to be as big as a typical NYC phone book.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:18:43am

re: #547 FormerDirtDart ????

It’s barely noon. just wait for the evening news dump.

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This guy is such a fucking monster. The people of PR clearly didn’t matter to him because they didn’t vote for him. Fucking disgusting asshole needs to go on trial and I want him to suffer.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:19:32am

re: #548 Myron Falwell

The inevitable articles of impeachment drafted by the House … it would have to be as big as a typical NYC phone book.

I just want the foreman when he’s convicted in criminal court to go “We find the defendant incredibly guilty” and then the camera pans to Trump trying a new scheme in jail.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:20:05am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:20:40am

re: #533 FormerDirtDart ????

The problem is, while it’s obvious to me that this is made up nonsense, way to many people that want to agree with this asshat won’t even notice his fabrication.
2014?

I notice Charlie doesn’t provide a link.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:20:52am

re: #550 HappyWarrior

I just want the foreman when he’s convicted in criminal court to go “We find the defendant incredibly guilty” and then the camera pans to Trump trying a new scheme in jail.

Hopefully they break out in song

Cop Rock - He’s Guilty [High Quality]

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:20:53am

re: #533 FormerDirtDart ????

The problem is, while it’s obvious to me that this is made up nonsense, way to many people that want to agree with this asshat won’t even notice his fabrication.
2014?

According to census data from 2014:

63% of non-citizen illegal aliens are using a welfare program intended for poor and needy Americans

4,684,784 non-citizen households are receiving welfare

Maybe this is why the Democrats don’t want the wall

ok lets play respond to the crackpot:
- how did 4.6M non-citizens get approved for welfare? - not all through one office / one case worker, right? spread throughout the country…
- if they’re already here, what has this to do with the wall?
- how does ‘letting more in’ and getting them on the welfare rolls do any good?
- it doesn’t get votes - i mean they can’t vote can they?

- so how specifically and exactly does this help the democrats in any way at all?

i feel stupider whenever i respond to a crackpot. even in a simulation like this
cause i have to try and think like them and it hurts

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:21:54am

re: #533 FormerDirtDart ????

The problem is, while it’s obvious to me that this is made up nonsense, way to many people that want to agree with this asshat won’t even notice his fabrication.
2014?

They’re also taking good American jobs from Americans who want to do those jobs.

////

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:22:07am

re: #551 freetoken

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Yeah forgot the scare quotes there chief but you sure owned the libs. Enjoy seeing your hero Trump go down in flames as the worst President this country ever had and becoming a pariah to anyone not in your cult.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:22:47am

re: #554 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

ok lets play respond to the crackpot:
- how did 4.6M non-citizens get approved for welfare? - not all through one office / one case worker, right? spread throughout the country…
- if they’re already here, what has this to do with the wall?
- how does ‘letting more in’ and getting them on the welfare rolls do any good?
- it doesn’t get votes - i mean they can’t vote can they?

- so how specifically and exactly does this help the democrats in any way at all?

i feel stupider whenever i respond to a crackpot. even in a simulation like this

It amazes me that people post his shit and actually think YEAH THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT’S UP. He’s a moron even by RWNJ standards.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:22:53am

Hopefully Speaker Pelosi will reopen all the FEMA camps so all of us Soros-funded, jackboot librul thugs can get back to work.

///

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:23:10am

re: #553 Myron Falwell

Hopefully they break out in song

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I was actually referencing the Producers lol.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:23:37am

re: #525 Citizen K

They will never learn. They outright refuse to learn. They are totally utterly convinced of their righteousness because they fucked over the woman they painted as the Grand Witch of Everything Wrong In America. Nothing will dissuade them from the idea that Clinton and Clinton alone is the source of all our problems, Trump included.

Some in the media think their “Her Emails” coverage was ground-breaking, heroic stuff, of legendary, Pulitzer-prize-worthy fame.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:25:25am
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:25:25am

re: #363 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Was there a McGoliath across the street, offering larger portions?

Yeah, but McDavids kept throwing stones through their windows.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:26:06am
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Citizen K  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:26:47am

re: #549 HappyWarrior

This guy is such a fucking monster. The people of PR clearly didn’t matter to him because they didn’t vote for him. Fucking disgusting asshole needs to go on trial and I want him to suffer.

I think there’s a darker reason why PR doesn’t matter to him. Hint.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:27:52am

re: #559 HappyWarrior

I was actually referencing the Producers lol.

lol you’re right, this White House is a real-life Springtime for Hitler, except everyone hates it

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:28:35am

re: #535 lawhawk

There was a NatGeo or Smithsonian tv program that delved into that, and it caused the scientists to reappraise their prior claims about who some of the people actually were.

I remember a forensic pathologist examining bones from a room at Pompeii. She and her team were able to make a lot of determinations about occupation and social status. One guy with horrible chronic back injuries was probably a slave…he was enough pain that he would not have been working unless forced. Another woman (they called her the pretty lady, because her face reconstruction showed she was attractive)was probably a weaver, with very strong arms. Another woman, probably with a large nose, was likely a prostitute (“I don’t like to make accusations across time, but she has marks on her pelvis I have only ever seen on modern prostitutes”)

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:29:50am

re: #422 Myron Falwell

Just like the above video with Seth Meyers, the fact Rudy had to move the goalposts on live TV — after weeks months almost a full year of saying to the contrary it was never collusion… it’s beyond laughable, but at the same time, so fucking sad.

If Rudy doesn’t quit after all this, then it’s obvious he is just going through the motions.

Someone (can’t remember) last night on MSNBC said Rudy hasn’t moved goalposts. He has erected more of them all over the field and he is running around trying to defend them all.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:32:14am
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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:33:35am

re: #426 HappyWarrior

I still think Rudy is involved somehow in the crimes themselves. You know he was getting dirt from the NY field office.

If it is proven all the things Rudy was saying are wrong and he was doing it to protect the Trump Monster, isn’t that a form of obstruction?

And if it can be proven Rudy released info on the stolen emails that is collusion on the part of the campaign.

It isn’t all that different from Mikey Cohen and we see where he is at today.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:34:09am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:34:21am

re: #549 HappyWarrior

This guy is such a fucking monster. The people of PR clearly didn’t matter to him because they didn’t vote for him. Fucking disgusting asshole needs to go on trial and I want him to suffer.

What Trump and Mitch may want to worry about is not just one impeachment trial. The fucking over of PR and the stunt yesterday that put Pelosi and Schiff’s lives in danger easily could merit multiple, separate trials.

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Alephnaught  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:34:24am

What on Earth is this nonsense appearing in my promoted stories links on this page? Is anyone else seeing this?

WHUT?!?! (If this is a joke, it’s racist, sexist and transphobic)
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Dr. Matt  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:37:14am

“Since when is crime illegal?!?!”
~Rudy GIuliani any day now

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:37:23am

smdh

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Decatur Deb  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:37:36am

re: #572 Alephnaught

google.com

What is Revcontent?
Revcontent is an advertising network employed by various potentially unwanted programs (PUPs). This application claims to provide various ‘valuable’ features that supposedly improve the Internet browsing experience.Jan 18, 2016

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:37:50am
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:38:21am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:40:11am

re: #574 bd(it’s all true)

smdh

It’s not a joke, Ben’s podcast is syndicated on terrestrial radio to a bunch of stations with no ratings (WABC, WLS, KABC).

The live ad reads are network inventory for the syndicator (owned by Cumulus Radio).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:40:42am

re: #574 bd(it’s all true)

smdh

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Yeah March for Life, get the guy who spent the day of his daughter’s birth rage tweeting at Obama. Great father and guy that Ben Shapiro is. Does he ever actually spend time with his kids or does he prefer being a right wing folk hero.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:41:09am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:41:17am

re: #578 Myron Falwell

It’s not a joke, Ben’s podcast is syndicated on terrestrial radio to a bunch of stations with no ratings (WABC, WLS, KABC).

I feel bad for the alien who hears that as the first transmission from space. A whiny little brat with no substance. Just a gish galloper.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:41:53am

re: #564 Citizen K

I think there’s a darker reason why PR doesn’t matter to him. Hint.

I know.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:42:21am

re: #459 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

its now 11am and the fevers gone
im wondering that i could do a couple miles
but i probably shouldnt
but i could…..
nah….
maybe…

and still that siren song is calling me.
but no….
im taking the day
i checked my log and have a new outlook (ie i can rationalize to myself)
4 days off in the last 102
still pretty respectable
that’s it - i found another meaningless stat that makes me happy
i can take the day off with no guilt and rest on my laurels
and hopefully that 102 number grows and the 4 doesnt…..

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Momkat56  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:42:22am

re: #415 Dave In Austin

O1mI7FmgWSbUuwmQcrMXgep26jfs5l+Le2xi3IcJ7Yoq09dUuqBUofZ3YMYxSmngnQX3sy8hJVYYXgFQ9wKIz62aN76/uVkhYSeyjexP+OHmnP44hYlZfUZF89/wCkq1CnDCaT44c5gKjrDZQtOq2gMSg5lQdwS59j2c6EQ5fVGcoXkemr7SohEwFnnfbaemHyzTimSlkFvPVZIczKJzrOBecsh8I1/NMO6no/HNNBXQvAHT4umlKtk0FG79hzaw+O2KHYmNNctGOGQpphO2ux9/Mr+sv+oO3TDY/cuBCgFrqMTXMsg72ayIxtUhCkReKD8d4irQGo1vLY010/URI2dQEOnGx49ypUA8xhYai4o=

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:42:55am

re: #572 Alephnaught

What on Earth is this nonsense appearing in my promoted stories links on this page? Is anyone else seeing this?

[Embedded content]

I was talking with my brother about dopplegangers and my idea was that our so called doubles have similiar are the same genetics to us but just got them from different people and places.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:43:09am
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bd(it's all true)  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:43:27am

re: #581 HappyWarrior

I feel bad for the alien who hears that as the first transmission from space. A whiny little brat with no substance. Just a gish galloper.

They’ll blow us to smithereens…..I just know it…..I would.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:44:14am

re: #587 bd(it’s all true)

They’ll blow us to smithereens…..I just know it…..I would.

Or they could just kidnap Ben and give him an anal probe done by a transgendered alien.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:44:35am

re: #577 Scottish Dragon

The only “good news” I want to hear relating to this would be the growing group of people hounding and swamping Mitch everywhere he goes. A lot of people have the necessary free time to do so.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:45:40am

re: #589 Myron Falwell

The only “good news” I want to hear relating to this would be the growing group of people hounding and swamping Mitch everywhere he goes. A lot of people have the necessary free time to do so.

I’m telling you. He keeps this up. We just might hear about Mitch “retiring.”

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:46:03am

re: #197 Anymouse ??

“Prophetic Voice” Mark Taylor (Christian radio host) was interviewed, claiming the 2018 election was a plan to expose voter fraud, and “we have the Senate, so they can’t impeach Trump.”

(Goes to Utah Outcasts, caution for coarse language, 8:48)

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I wonder how much Russian money Pulpit Pimp Mark is getting?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:46:34am

Man, can you imagine the RWNJ splodey heads if this somehow all ended with Pelosi becoming President?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:47:42am

re: #590 HappyWarrior

I’m telling you. He keeps this up. We just might hear about Mitch “retiring.”

It’s but a hunch, but I have a sneaking suspicion Mitch is privately wishing he wasn’t the majority leader right now.

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TedStriker  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:47:56am

re: #581 HappyWarrior

I feel bad for the alien who hears that as the first transmission from space. A whiny little brat with no substance. Just a gish galloper.

re: #587 bd(it’s all true)

They’ll blow us to smithereens…..I just know it…..I would.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:48:04am

re: #445 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

cohen recorded a lot
im hoping there’s tapes

I think people are forgetting Cohen liked records. Last night it was claimed there is evidence to back Cohen’s revelation that Trump had him lie to congress. Remember, this lying came after all the other stuff Trump is being looked at occurred during his campaign and then early into the office.

This happened once Congress already knew about the Trump Tower meeting. This happened once the investigation all got going. That is bad. If there was no collusion/obstruction, why was Donny having Cohen lie?

Remember Adam Schiff said one of the reasons they wanted to interview Cohen again now was because Democrats are in control and Nunes and others are not. Cohen was the = one they wanted to get to again because they obviously knew the facts and told Mikey they knew he was lying.

It is evidence of further and continued cover up by Trump.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:49:34am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:50:51am

re: #596 freetoken

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So Matt, are you going to support things like helping poor and unwed mothers? You want to call yourselves pro life? Fucking act like it instead of shaming pregnant women for a decision you’ll never have to make because oyu have a dick. Fuck you dude.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:51:18am

re: #457 HappyWarrior

I feel kind of bad for Jared and Ivanka’s kids. Their grandfathers are both awful people. Their parents are no prizes either.

Don’t worry. Kristjen Nielsen at DHS can hook ‘em up with some of those Evangelical types that will find them new loving Christian families through adoption.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:51:54am

re: #592 Eclectic Cyborg

Man, can you imagine the RWNJ splodey heads if this somehow all ended with Pelosi becoming President?

Don’t think for a second that isn’t their big fear right now.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:51:57am

This thread is why the internet was created….

There’s more….

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:52:19am

re: #459 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

its now 11am and the fevers gone
im wondering that i could do a couple miles
but i probably shouldnt
but i could…..
nah….
maybe…

You are at the addiction stage. ///

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:53:19am

re: #600 Scottish Dragon

This thread is why the internet was created….

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There’s more….

We really did see the intersection between Berniebroing with Bernie’s own son when Levi Sanders ran and thankfully did not win the nomination for a Congressional seat in NH.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:53:54am

re: #570 freetoken

All human life is sacred and those who #MarchForLife today march in the spirit of compassion and mercy. I share their commitment to laws that protect the innocent and will continue defending the dignity of life.

while ‘all human life’ may be “sacred”, as a senator you do understand that ‘human life’ is not necessarily a singular constitutionally protected human life, right?

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:54:44am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:55:11am

re: #573 Dr. Matt

“Since when is crime illegal?!?!”
~Rudy GIuliani any day now

it isnt
unless youre caught, tried and convicted
and sometimes not even then

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Mike Lamb  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:56:21am

re: #586 Scottish Dragon

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Grizzly Man II: Into the Water.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:56:50am

re: #596 freetoken

They’re marching for their right to dictate to others that they have no agency over their own bodies or have access to health care that they need.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:57:20am

I think wingnuts have this image of Pelosi being this delicate San Francisco liberal who doesn’t know how to play tough but this is a woman who learned about politics from her father who was Baltimore’s mayor and a Congressman in the Depression too. She also got her first job in Congress at a time when women weren’t entering politics. She’s tough as shit and Trump has no idea who he’s messing with.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:57:46am

re: #607 lawhawk

They’re marching for their right to dictate to others that they have no agency over their own bodies or have access to health care that they need.

or as conservatives call it, small government!

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Citizen K  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:58:04am

re: #600 Scottish Dragon

The persecution complex is strong with that one.

And it’s almost like, you know, the guy was letting his feelings and personal grievances take precedence over the job. Like the folks mad at that ad accuse ‘snowflakes’ of doing time and time again.

Bro harder, bro.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:58:51am

re: #604 lawhawk

ooooooh Speaker Pelosi is now in full Samuel L. Jackson mode :D

The Hitman’s Bodyguard - Dukhovich’s Death (FINAL SCENE)

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:59:03am
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Mike Lamb  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:59:07am

re: #235 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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This would lead to a short circuit in the wingnut brain:

Can’t have gun control. Clearly. Need toddler control. But toddler control is birth control. That means abortion. Gun control or anti-abortion. Fuck. Now what?

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 9:59:54am

re: #609 HappyWarrior

or as conservatives call it, small government!

Government so small it can crawl up in the lady naughty bits.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:00:14am

It’s a two day old article. It’s going to be a long weekend for lonely Dotard all alome in the big house

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gocart mozart  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:04:30am
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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:07:31am
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BlueGrl21  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:07:35am

They’re not prayer rugs. They’re blankets. We used to find them sometimes on my great-grandmother’s ranch on the border. People trying to sleep on the cold ground. And it gets cold in the desert at night.

Only a complete moron confuses blankets with prayer rugs.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:08:10am

re: #616 gocart mozart

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:08:33am

re: #616 gocart mozart

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And he’s showing maybe I was too nice when I said he was smart compared to Kirk because this is some incredibly stupid stuff. You’re not going to be encountering Baby Hitler. And you know what Ben, you’ve never had to be pregnant, you have no idea about the choices women have to make. Maybe you should work on yorself and instead of spending yet another day GIsh Gallopoing, spend some time with that daughter you spent her birth day rage tweeting at Obama, you pathetic waste of space.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:08:39am

re: #533 FormerDirtDart ????

The problem is, while it’s obvious to me that this is made up nonsense, way to many people that want to agree with this asshat won’t even notice his fabrication.
2014?

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It took them 4 years to come up with those stats!

Any takers on a bet Charlie knows zip about the US Census?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:09:05am

re: #618 BlueGrl21

They’re not prayer rugs. They’re blankets. We used to find them sometimes on my great-grandmother’s ranch on the border. People trying to sleep on the cold ground. And it gets cold in the desert at night.

Only a complete moron confuses blankets with prayer rugs.

Those Mexican blankets are beautiful.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:09:57am
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:10:57am

Sometimes it’s hard to resist popping random conservative fantasy bubbles.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:11:22am

OMG

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:11:22am

re: #623 Scottish Dragon

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I seem to recall a story in psychology about two twins that were separated. One grew up Jewish and the other Christian and became a Hitler Youth member. The whole Baby Hitler thing is tired.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:12:04am

re: #622 HappyWarrior

Those Mexican blankets are beautiful.

They’re really warm too. I have one that my cats will not stay away from. They’re not prayer rugs.

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darthstar  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:12:20am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:12:28am

re: #627 BlueGrl21

They’re really warm too. I have one that my cats will not stay away from. They’re not prayer rugs.

Yeah I got one at a store. Agree.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:13:01am

re: #623 Scottish Dragon

[Embedded content]

A fellow Vance fan? Cool!

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BlueGrl21  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:13:36am

re: #625 Myron Falwell

OMG

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The words don’t do it justice. You have to watch the video of her speaking. She’s all snark. It’s glorious.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:14:21am

re: #616 gocart mozart

Baffling BS. The same fuckers who go to extreme lengths and murder and bomb doctors and facilities who provide abortion services aren’t pro life. They’re anti abortion extremists.

They have no problem justifying homicide when it furthers their agenda.

Murdering Hitler (baby or otherwise) would be moral if it saves millions others.

That’s the very rationale that the anti abortion extremists give when they target planned parenthood and docs providing abortion services.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:14:50am

re: #616 gocart mozart

What about killing teenage Hitler, probably already was kind of a dick at that point so you won’t feel quite as bad.

From what I read, Alois was a prize asshole—I’d feel no qualms about offing him before Adolf was conceived…

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:15:47am

re: #630 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A fellow Vance fan? Cool!

I need more of his material. I loved that particular short. It bears re-reading a couple of times.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:16:15am

re: #549 HappyWarrior

This guy is such a fucking monster. The people of PR clearly didn’t matter to him because they didn’t vote for him. Fucking disgusting asshole needs to go on trial and I want him to suffer.

They were Brown people that didn’t vote for him.

And I have a feeling Donny’s hate for Puerto Ricans comes from being a citizen of New York City and having Mar-a-Lago in Florida.

it just so happens the largest concentrations of Puerto Ricans in the U.S. are in New York and Florida.

This is a Trump hate that I think goes way back. I bet Daddy Fred Trump hated Puerto Ricans. Take it from there.

But they can work for him illegally!

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jaunte  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:16:18am
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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:16:26am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:16:36am

re: #633 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

From what I read, Alois was a prize asshole—I’d feel no qualms about offing him before Adolf was conceived…

Alois definitely was responsible for making Hitler. But say what you will about Adolf but Adolf killed Adolf.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:17:33am

re: #637 freetoken

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Higher life forms?

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wrenchwench  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:18:07am

re: #618 BlueGrl21

They’re not prayer rugs. They’re blankets. We used to find them sometimes on my great-grandmother’s ranch on the border. People trying to sleep on the cold ground. And it gets cold in the desert at night.

Only a complete moron confuses blankets with prayer rugs.

They quoted several people from Animas. Sounds like there’s a lot of Animasity going around there.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:19:03am

re: #631 BlueGrl21

The words don’t do it justice. You have to watch the video of her speaking. She’s all snark. It’s glorious.

Anyone with a brain** at the White House has to be shitting bricks right now. She’s beyond pissed.

**assuming there are any left

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:19:27am

re: #639 HappyWarrior

Higher life forms?

“Never say higher or lower”

—Charles Darwin’s notebooks.

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Citizen K  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:21:22am

re: #618 BlueGrl21

They’re not prayer rugs. They’re blankets. We used to find them sometimes on my great-grandmother’s ranch on the border. People trying to sleep on the cold ground. And it gets cold in the desert at night.

Only a complete moron confuses blankets with prayer rugs.

But it’s south of the border, how could it ever get cold there?! ////

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jaunte  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:21:24am

re: #640 wrenchwench

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:22:36am

re: #633 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

From what I read, Alois was a prize asshole—I’d feel no qualms about offing him before Adolf was conceived…

I’ve often argued there’s one entirely appropriate time and place to kill Adolf Hitler before he decides to start dabbling in radical politics.

World War One. He was simply another German solider, one of millions, a corporal. One bullet in the right place at the right time, and you’d irrevocably alter the course of modern history.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:24:40am

re: #628 darthstar

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William Lewis  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:25:04am

I’m

re: #645 Dr Lizardo

Sabatoge his gas mask…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:26:25am

re: #645 Dr Lizardo

I’ve often argued there’s one entirely appropriate time and place to kill Adolf Hitler before he decides to start dabbling in radical politics.

World War One. He was simply another German solider, one of millions, a corporal. One bullet in the right place at the right time, and you’d irrevocably alter the course of modern history.

I do wonder though. Hitler dies in WWI but something else equally as but herpas even more sinister could have risen. People forgot this but Hitler did NOT found the NSDAP. He in fact was sent to spy on them for the army and gather intel but he fell in love with it. That said, I doubt they’re as effective without him. Another interesting story is I heard the day Goering saw Hitler speak for the first time, he was also set to join the Freemasons.but the Nazis captivated him and Nazis could not be Masons apparently which is good to know because I find myself wondering about what my German born Great Grandfather thought of them and knowing the Nazis hated Masons and that Great Granddad was on the War Ration board makes me certain he was adamantly anti Nazi.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:26:38am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:26:49am

re: #647 William Lewis

I’m

Sabatoge his gas mask…

Ha!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:28:04am

Want to stop Hitler? Give that driver in Sarajevo better directions and Franz Ferdinand is a okay.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:28:07am

re: #646 goddamnedfrank

Or zombie apocalypse as someone decides to drink it and turns into a human flesh craving fast mover.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:28:07am

re: #647 William Lewis

I’m

Sabatoge his gas mask…

Don’t need to do anything so technical; a simple bullet during the first Battle of Ypres in October 1914 is entirely sufficient - at that point in time, he was simply an infantryman in a unit that took very heavy casualties.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:28:49am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:29:04am

re: #654 lawhawk

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Hahaa great song and band.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:29:46am
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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:30:56am

re: #625 Myron Falwell

OMG

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Like I said yesterday…Pelosi has those gentle jabs that will absolutely cause Donny Trump to go off. She knows how to trigger him without going low.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:31:02am
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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:31:06am

When they get to “bless you”, then you know you’re on the right track.

“Bless you” is of course code for “fuck you” but they want to pretend to be morally above the other, so they play the game.

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sagehen  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:31:18am

re: #645 Dr Lizardo

I’ve often argued there’s one entirely appropriate time and place to kill Adolf Hitler before he decides to start dabbling in radical politics.

World War One. He was simply another German solider, one of millions, a corporal. One bullet in the right place at the right time, and you’d irrevocably alter the course of modern history.

Except you might make it worse.

The broader societal factors, economy, history of anti-Semitism, etc would still be there. The fertile ground that birthed Nazi-ism would still be there; the same kind of group, with the same kind of views, would still arise. (see Asimov, “Foundation” series, psycho-history).

And if it wasn’t Hitler leading them, maybe it would be somebody smart enough not to invade Russia. Or somebody smart enough to tell the Japanese not to waken that sleeping giant.

The one absolute undeniable fact about Hitler is that he lost so badly his entire belief system was discredited worldwide for generations. I wouldn’t want to take the chance of a more competent man holding his position. This is why I wouldn’t kill baby Hitler.

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darthstar  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:32:04am

re: #646 goddamnedfrank

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I am Barnacle Man! I drink shitty beer and cling to objects until they submit.

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jaunte  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:32:17am

re: #659 freetoken

When they get to “bless you”, then you know you’re on the right track.

“Bless you” is of course code for “fuck you” but they want to pretend to be morally above the other, so they play the game.

You can respond with “May you be judged by all the rules of your Book.”

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:33:36am

re: #660 sagehen

Or the Soviet Union invades Europe, and we keep practicing our own eugenics and anti-semitism.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:33:50am

Actually I think German history changes if Kaiser Wilhelm’s father Frederick lasts long as kaiser.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:34:02am

Fucking cult members, nothing to be done.

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William Lewis  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:34:17am

re: #648 HappyWarrior

Hitler dies in WWI. Some years later, Reinhardt Heydrich takes over a floundering Nazi party and is victorious in a series of short wars starting in 1943 that ends with a European Union under Germany from the Orkney islands to the Ural mountains…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:34:30am

re: #576 freetoken

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18 days a baby’s heart beats?

bullshit

first, at 18 days it’s not a baby

then define ‘heart’
- a fetus does not even have four chambers to the heart until 8 weeks of pregnancy
- some research suggests the heart may not have fully organized muscle tissue until the 20th week of pregnancy

then define “heartbeat”
- at 18 days after conception, the immature heart does start to show some irregular electrical activity.
- it isn’t a beat as we would recognize it in an adult or even as we would recognize it in a newborn
- more of a random, irregular bunch of twitches in the proto-heart.

yeah i copied and pasted from somewhere
im not even going to address the other nonsense

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:35:00am

re: #665 goddamnedfrank

Fucking cult members, nothing to be done.

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Trumpers think anyone who sides with the country over Trump is in the deep state.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:36:22am

re: #666 William Lewis

Hitler dies in WWI. Some years later, Reinhardt Heydrich takes over a floundering Nazi party and is victorious in a series of short wars starting in 1943 that ends with a European Union under Germany from the Orkney islands to the Ural mountains…

Heydrich’s own story is interesting. I didn’t know this for a long time but he got his start in the German Navy but got booted out after something involving a married woman. Heydrich is truly frightening and out of central casting for a Nazi. Intelligent, evil, and competent. Thank goodness he was killed when he was right before tehy were to transfer him to Paris.

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wrenchwench  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:37:30am

re: #658 Scottish Dragon

[I am really enjoying the hell out of the wrap up to this infrastructure week!]

Final chore is always taking out the trash.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:37:34am

re: #659 freetoken

When they get to “bless you”, then you know you’re on the right track.

“Bless you” is of course code for “fuck you” but they want to pretend to be morally above the other, so they play the game.

“Bless you” and “I’ll pray for you” are both put downs. Not a warm Christian sentiment in them.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:38:24am
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jaunte  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:38:40am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:38:59am

lol Ronna Romney is bigly stepping in it

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:39:14am

re: #671 ObserverArt

“Bless you” and “I’ll pray for you” are both put downs. Not a warm Christian sentiment in them.

The only thing that tops it is if you’re talking to a Southern Bible-thumper, because then you get the ultimate insult: “Bless your heart.”

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:39:19am

re: #660 sagehen

Except you might make it worse.

The broader societal factors, economy, history of anti-Semitism, etc would still be there. The fertile ground that birthed Nazi-ism would still be there; the same kind of group, with the same kind of views, would still arise. (see Asimov, “Foundation” series, psycho-history).

And if it wasn’t Hitler leading them, maybe it would be somebody smart enough not to invade Russia. Or somebody smart enough to tell the Japanese not to waken that sleeping giant.

The one absolute undeniable fact about Hitler is that he lost so badly his entire belief system was discredited worldwide for generations. I wouldn’t want to take the chance of a more competent man holding his position. This is why I wouldn’t kill baby Hitler.

It’s a good point - I wouldn’t do it either, as it would alter history beyond all recognition. Not only that, but doing away with Hitler might well have stymied the NSDAP (and it might have ended up as little more than a shabby, beerhall-based debating society) but the post-WWI cultural milieu is still present; the angst over Germany’s defeat, anger at the Treaty of Versailles, the Freikorps veterans, economic crises - none of that disappears even if you did successfully butterfly Hitler away.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:39:20am

re: #601 ObserverArt

You are at the addiction stage. ///

addiction / obsession no doubt

please help me

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:39:24am

re: #662 jaunte

You can respond with “May you be judged by all the rules of your Book.”

Bless your heart.

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William Lewis  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:39:27am

re: #669 HappyWarrior

I agree. The horror of Lidice was terrible but what he would have was far worse.

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freetoken  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:39:39am

re: #667 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Lots of sciency sounding quotes in tweets supporting the march today.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:39:50am

re: #676 Dr Lizardo

And it doesn’t stop Mao or Stalin…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:40:18am

re: #674 Myron Falwell

lol Ronna is bigly stepping in it

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Isn’t your President rage tweeting about carpets? You’re an even bigger joke than Mitt, Ronna.

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:40:40am

re: #674 Myron Falwell

lol Ronna is bigly stepping in it

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The “phony dossier” that to this day no Trump supporter has been able to debunk and matches up fairly well with the known facts?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:41:24am

re: #613 Mike Lamb

This would lead to a short circuit in the wingnut brain:

Can’t have gun control. Clearly. Need toddler control. But toddler control is birth control. That means abortion. Gun control or anti-abortion. Fuck. Now what?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:41:34am

re: #679 William Lewis

I agree. The horror of Lidice was terrible but what he would have was far worse.

I saw the church where the Anthropod partisans fought bravely in Prague. Heroes.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:43:09am

re: #681 lawhawk

And it doesn’t stop Mao or Stalin…

Or Pol Pot or any other postwar dictator with the blood of millions on their hands.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:43:51am

re: #686 Dr Lizardo

Or Pol Pot or any other postwar dictator with the blood of millions on their hands.

Pol Pot is our fault. Frigging Nixon and Kissinger.

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:43:57am

By the way, you know what would blow the minds of every wingnut out there when Cohen testifies next month? Just ask him out loud: “Did you travel to Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign, yes or no?” An answer in the affirmative would lead to their heads popping like champagne corks.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:44:33am

re: #685 HappyWarrior

I saw the church where the Anthropod partisans fought bravely in Prague. Heroes.

Great movie BTW.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:44:37am

re: #660 sagehen

Except you might make it worse.

The broader societal factors, economy, history of anti-Semitism, etc would still be there. The fertile ground that birthed Nazi-ism would still be there; the same kind of group, with the same kind of views, would still arise. (see Asimov, “Foundation” series, psycho-history).

And if it wasn’t Hitler leading them, maybe it would be somebody smart enough not to invade Russia. Or somebody smart enough to tell the Japanese not to waken that sleeping giant.

The one absolute undeniable fact about Hitler is that he lost so badly his entire belief system was discredited worldwide for generations. I wouldn’t want to take the chance of a more competent man holding his position. This is why I wouldn’t kill baby Hitler.

I disagree.. Hitler had a lot to do with taking all the built up German issues and vocalize them and then be the leader.

I think a great example is right here in front of us all.

The America conservative wingnuts have been the same since the 60s. They have bitched about people of color, social programs going to those people, liberals and all that stuff since then, maybe even before.

Yet they have always been disorganized and in hiding. They didn’t have the focus.

But it really didn’t break out until…Trump.

He vocalized it and took the lead. He gave them a platform to come out and be counted. Look how we have all worried about this country becoming a white fascists state. Trump gave them a leader and a focus.

Someone needs to always take up the flag and fly it.

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jaunte  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:45:17am

re: #688 Targetpractice

They’ve already built their “Cohen Is A Liar” bunker.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:45:20am

re: #688 Targetpractice

By the way, you know what would blow the minds of every wingnut out there when Cohen testifies next month? Just ask him out loud: “Did you travel to Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign, yes or no?” An answer in the affirmative would lead to their heads popping like champagne corks.

Their screaming would be so loud, one of the Voyager probes would probably be able to pick it up.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:45:24am

re: #660 sagehen

Except you might make it worse.

The broader societal factors, economy, history of anti-Semitism, etc would still be there. The fertile ground that birthed Nazi-ism would still be there; the same kind of group, with the same kind of views, would still arise. (see Asimov, “Foundation” series, psycho-history).

And if it wasn’t Hitler leading them, maybe it would be somebody smart enough not to invade Russia. Or somebody smart enough to tell the Japanese not to waken that sleeping giant.

The one absolute undeniable fact about Hitler is that he lost so badly his entire belief system was discredited worldwide for generations. I wouldn’t want to take the chance of a more competent man holding his position. This is why I wouldn’t kill baby Hitler.

I would clean out the Serbian government so they wouldn’t send the assassins to Sarajevo to touch off a general war in hopes of grabbing their “Greater Serbia” in the confusion.

And no, the Black Hand was not a “rogue patriotic organization”. There was not a responsible member of the Serbian government who wasn’t a founding member of the Black Hand and vice-versa.

archive.org
archive.org

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piratedan  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:45:34am

so has the Administration reached the Kevin Bacon in Animal House level yet?

Animal House - All Is Well!

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:45:49am

You guys, this is the best infrastructure week ever.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:45:55am

re: #689 Scottish Dragon

Great movie BTW.

Oh hell yeah.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:46:08am

re: #480 Belafon

“Well, good, don’t have one. Leave everyone else alone.”

Yep. As I read once somewhere:
Religious freedom - I can’t do that because it is against my religion.
Not religious freedom - YOU can’t do that because it is against MY religion.

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:47:23am

re: #691 jaunte

They’ve already built their “Cohen Is A Liar” bunker.

True, but to believe it they basically have to put their cognitive dissonance into overdrive: “Michael Cohen never traveled to Prague because he said so, but he’s a known liar who would say anything to avoid jail time!”

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:47:29am

re: #694 piratedan

so has the Administration reached the Kevin Bacon in Animal House level yet?

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well….

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:47:33am

re: #636 jaunte

Curious what Consciousness of Guilt looks like? Read this morning’s @realDonaldTrump tweets. Does he deny telling Cohen to lie to Congress? NO. Instead:

wasnt there some other yes/no question he got this week and didnt outright deny?
(as pretty much any of us would on the spot)

it escapes me…..

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:47:44am

re: #697 Eventual Carrion

Yep. As I read once somewhere:
Religious freedom - I can’t do that because it is against my religion.
Not religious freedom - YOU can’t do that because it is against MY religion.

Good reasoning. It’s why the court correctly said SSM didn’t violate religious freedom.

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wrenchwench  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:48:49am

re: #680 freetoken

Lots of sciency sounding quotes in tweets supporting the march today.

And the science, however grounded (or not) in facts, is an avoidance mechanism invoked against dealing with what it comes down to: who gets to declare when the rights of the host of the blastosphere/embryo/fetus are overridden by whatever somebody thinks are the rights and/or desires of the early bits of human?

I find it ridiculous on its face that the rights of anything or anyone should have consideration over the rights of a female old enough to conceive.

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lawhawk  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:49:33am

This has a certain je ne sais quoi to it:

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:50:08am

re: #700 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

wasnt there some other yes/no question he got this week and didnt outright deny?
(as pretty much any of us would on the spot)

it escapes me…..

Lobbed a softball (paraphrase) “Have you ever worked with Russia?” question by a friendly Faux reporter…and proceeded to totally go off the rails about how “insulting” it was to be asked that question.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:50:41am

re: #703 lawhawk

This has a certain je ne sais quoi to it:

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Yet Rands allies love pointing out the neighbors registration.

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wrenchwench  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:52:28am

re: #703 lawhawk

This has a certain je ne sais quoi to it:

[Rand Paul asks judge to not allow discussion of his political views or the condition of his yard]

What about the condition of his hair? Or does that veer too close to the condition of his yard?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:54:04am

re: #704 Targetpractice

Lobbed a softball (paraphrase) “Have you ever worked with Russia?” question by a friendly Faux reporter…and proceeded to totally go off the rails about how “insulting” it was to be asked that question.

It wasn’t just with Ducklips, there’s been a long, steady pattern of behavior over the past three years where Trump just totally fails to make the easy denial and out… even when it’s offered to him on a silver platter.

He just can’t hide anything obviously bad about himself.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:54:06am

Musical interlude: BAND-MAID is still rockin’.

BAND-MAID / Bubble

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jaunte  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:55:55am
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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:56:22am

re: #695 makeitstop

You guys, this is the best infrastructure week ever.

I’m waiting for the Friday News Dump…

Dump another load of dirt!
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:56:40am

re: #709 jaunte

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Nope

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gocart mozart  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:57:15am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:57:40am

708 posts? Damn, when I finally close this tab, Firefox is going to be disabled for half an hour unwinding all this Javascript, and I’ll have to watch it all the while to acknowledge the “unresponsive script” warnings.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:57:58am

This is A. Hitler’s actual baby picture. Cute little devil, isn’t he? At this point, he could have become anything.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:58:04am

re: #707 Myron Falwell

It wasn’t just with Ducklips, there’s been a long, steady pattern of behavior over the past three years where Trump just totally fails to make the easy denial and out… even when it’s offered to him on a silver platter.

He just can’t hide anything obviously bad about himself.

He’s never said anything bad about Putin either.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:58:35am
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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:58:52am

re: #706 wrenchwench

What about the condition of his hair? Or does that veer too close to the condition of his yard?

Let’s put Rand up on some Cee-ment blocks in the side yard!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2019 • 10:59:22am

re: #714 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

This is A. Hitler’s actual baby picturedevil, isn’t he? At this point, he could have become anything.

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Who’s the most hated man in world history, you are, you are.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 18, 2019 • 11:00:48am
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wrenchwench  Jan 18, 2019 • 11:02:21am

re: #713 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

708 posts? Damn, when I finally close this tab, Firefox is going to be disabled for half an hour unwinding all this Javascript, and I’ll have to watch it all the while to acknowledge the “unresponsive script” warnings.

Hatchling.

Ah, for the days of flat files (whatever those were) and 5,000-comment threads….

Get off my xeriscaping.

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2019 • 11:02:42am

re: #719 FormerDirtDart ????

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Another Trumper falling back on “He’s not stupid enough to do that!”

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 18, 2019 • 11:03:07am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 18, 2019 • 11:04:22am

God help up if Trump actually had the political acumen of even a total dunderhead like Teresa May…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 18, 2019 • 11:06:17am

re: #702 wrenchwench

And the science, however grounded (or not) in facts, is an avoidance mechanism invoked against dealing with what it comes down to: who gets to declare when the rights of the host of the blastosphere/embryo/fetus are overridden by whatever somebody thinks are the rights and/or desires of the early bits of human?

I find it ridiculous on its face that the rights of anything or anyone should have consideration over the rights of a female old enough to conceive.

for me, that’s always been the core - the slope of the trajectory from a fertilized egg (or even before) to a born child is gradual with no discernible point at which personhood is identified, so when does a single discrete constitutionally protected life “begin”?

for the religious right, personhood got pushed further and further back to the beginning

for me there is no right to life. there is the right to a chance at life.

there is still a test / hurdle that must be passed - birth/delivery. and for the most part we don’t punish the caretakers if the hurdle is not crossed successfully

but make no mistake - this is the only time in the course of ‘a life’ where one must pass (through) a physical process or test to garner additional rights.
“turning” 18 or 21 is not the same as surviving the birthing process.

So *any* point at which a constitutionally protected human life/ person is defined is somewhat arbitrary because there is no dispassionate objective point. it ‘could be’ a fertilized egg. it ‘could be’ who has survived the birth process.

i see the right’s arguments as irrelevant. it’s a religious argument. not a scientific argument. Nor a legal one.
“personhood” is a legal argument. not a scientific argument. nor a religious one.

im fine with an agreed upon arbitrary legal place - as long as everybody recognizes that it is that, not some “religiously justified” legal place

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 18, 2019 • 11:07:58am

CL’ed. Taking the treats upstairs.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 18, 2019 • 11:11:56am

re: #703 lawhawk

Don’t blame him lol. Rand Paul’s typical Libertarian views of “I’ve got mine… Fuck you” along with probably won’t go over well with a normal jury.

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wrenchwench  Jan 18, 2019 • 11:17:53am

re: #724 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

for me, that’s always been the core - the slope of the trajectory from a fertilized egg (or even before) to a born child is gradual with no discernible point at which personhood is identified, so when does a single discrete constitutionally protected life “begin”?

for the religious right, personhood got pushed further and further back to the beginning

for me there is no right to life. there is the right to a chance at life.

there is still a test / hurdle that must be passed - birth/delivery. and for the most part we don’t punish the caretakers if the hurdle is not crossed successfully

but make no mistake - this is the only time in the course of ‘a life’ where one must pass (through) a physical process or test to garner additional rights.
“turning” 18 or 21 is not the same as surviving the birthing process.

So *any* point at which a constitutionally protected human life/ person is defined is somewhat arbitrary because there is no dispassionate objective point. it ‘could be’ a fertilized egg. it ‘could be’ who has survived the birth process.

i see the right’s arguments as irrelevant. it’s a religious argument. not a scientific argument. Nor a legal one.
“personhood” is a legal argument. not a scientific argument. nor a religious one.

im fine with an agreed upon arbitrary legal place - as long as everybody recognizes that it is that, not some “religiously justified” legal place

I used to be fine with an agreed upon arbitrary legal place, now I’m only fine with the place after successful birth and assumption of life independent of the body of another human. Before that, no law needed. Woman rules her own body, and does with it what she wishes within already existing rules or consequences written against suicide, whatever those are.

Where was I radicalized? LGF.

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2019 • 11:32:56am

re: #714 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

This is A. Hitler’s actual baby picture. Cute little devil, isn’t he? At this point, he could have become anything.

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Just not an artist. :)


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