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Last week Nancy Pelosi sent a letter to Donald Trump, asking him to postpone his State of the Union speech, since he shut down the government and all. (We all know it’s going to be another narcissistic, xenophobic mess anyway, ranting about immigrants and lying about achievements he didn’t actually achieve.)

Trump’s first reaction was to cancel Pelosi’s trip to Afghanistan, banning her from using a military aircraft for the trip.

Well, now President Manbaby is trying to just ride right over Nancy Pelosi; he says he’s going to show up and give the speech in the House chamber whether she wants it or not. Which kind of fits with his history of not caring whether he gets permission from women.

Unfortunately for the Trump-thing, he doesn’t control this. Both the House of Representatives and the Senate need to pass a joint resolution inviting him to speak in the chamber.

My opinion doesn’t count for a hill of beans in this crazy mixed up timeline, but I strongly urge Nancy Pelosi to call Trump’s bluff. He can’t be allowed to bully his way into the House for his egomaniacal speech.

UPDATE at 1/23/19 11:39:39 am by Charles Johnson

And boom, there it is. Pelosi is calling Trump’s bluff.

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533 comments

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S'latch  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:36:56am

He doesn’t even ask. He just …

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:37:39am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:40:00am

This really is wild. A President openly fighting the Speaker of the House over the State of the Union address.

We’ve passed normal so long ago that we’re already three states over, down a river and about to go off a cliff.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:41:04am
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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:41:24am

re: #2 jaunte

So… if Trump tries to take the podium, do the Capitol Police arrest him for trespassing? And what does the Secret Service do?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:42:02am

This is just fucking unreal.

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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:42:25am

re: #5 KGxvi

So… if Trump tries to take the podium, do the Capitol Police arrest him for trespassing? And what does the Secret Service do?

Brawls in the Halls!

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:42:31am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

this is why Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the house (among many other reasons) she does not play.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:42:59am

re: #5 KGxvi

I just don’t know.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:43:40am

re: #1 S’latch

No ticket, no laundry. So sorry.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:44:15am

I honestly didn’t imagine that the Constitutional Crisis would originate or would flare most pointedly over the SOTU.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:44:36am

re: #5 KGxvi

So… if Trump tries to take the podium, do the Capitol Police arrest him for trespassing? And what does the Secret Service do?

Who knows? We’re in uncharted territory here.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:44:50am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:44:53am

re: #5 KGxvi

So… if Trump tries to take the podium, do the Capitol Police arrest him for trespassing? And what does the Secret Service do?

We’re in unknown territory here. Nobody ever expected this would be an issue. Trump is destroying everything about the office he holds.

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piratedan  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:45:34am

so much for the hand-wringing fainting couch crew that felt that NP had lost her chops…

that’s a very politely worded memo telling him explicitly what has to be done before he gets to come into her house.

Gonna be hard for the parseltongues at Faux to spin this, but I assume that they’ve never had trouble spinning up takes with no tenuous link to reality.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:46:10am

President Pelosi has more balls than the entire RNC/GOP/NRA/KKK collective.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:46:25am

@JoyAnnReid

A timely reminder that no president of the United States has the power or the right under the constitution to give a speech in the well of the House. That power resides with the Speaker. (Also the SOTU is not required to be a speech. It can be in writing.)

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:46:43am

re: #5 KGxvi

So… if Trump tries to take the podium, do the Capitol Police arrest him for trespassing? And what does the Secret Service do?

It’s going to be ugly as hell, a perfect metaphor for all things Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:47:49am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

We’re in unknown territory here. Nobody ever expected this would be an issue. Trump is destroying everything about the office he holds.

Possibly, when he’s done with his creative destruction, we’ll find it easier to make reforms that have been needed for decades. And I might get a pony for my birthday.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:49:02am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:50:38am

Yet another line of storms out of the Gulf is raking LA, MS, AL and TN. The grow tunnel is folded again to keep it in this county—gusting to 30+.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:50:42am

re: #5 KGxvi

So… if Trump tries to take the podium, do the Capitol Police arrest him for trespassing? And what does the Secret Service do?

It’s almost as if he just wants to create a crisis.

somewhat sarc

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:51:04am

re: #19 Decatur Deb

A pony with wings is more likely than your first point.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:52:25am

We’re in uncharted waters here. We’ve got Trump demanding access to the House and ignoring that he’s been disinvited from the SOTU pending a funding bill to reopen government. He’s on pace to ignore the Pelosi letter and just show up.

The House rules give Pelosi explicit control. Trump doesn’t give a shit about the rules. We’ve seen this time and again, and the GOP will cheer on Trump destroying the norms and standards, just as surely as they were cheering when McConnell destroyed comity and the advise and consent clause by refusing to even hold hearings on Merrick Garland.

This is a regressive, reactionary, and craven GOP that is intent on sabotaging functioning government.

Despite all that, this story isn’t even the most important of the day (or hour… I’m not sure given pace of events). It’s the fact that Michael Cohen’s lawyer explicitly states that Trump engaged in federal felonies - witness tampering, obstructing justice, interfering in ongoing investigations:

That’s impeachable offenses for those keeping score, and it’s up to House Democrats to rectify.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:52:28am
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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:53:48am

At the heart of all this is Donny’s need to stroke his ego, to have that huge captive audience there to hear his ranting and offer him standing applause for it. But its now expanding beyond that into his need to assuage said ego by showing he is “above” Nancy, that he can order Congress around and that she is somehow defying his authority.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:54:04am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

The answer is the two people in charge of Congress in 2016, McConnell and Ryan.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:55:09am

re: #26 Targetpractice

At the heart of all this is Donny’s need to stroke his ego, to have that huge captive audience there to hear his ranting and offer him standing applause for it. But its now expanding beyond that into his need to assuage said ego by showing he is “above” Nancy, that he can order Congress around and that she is somehow defying his authority.

Your second sentence, especially.

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S'latch  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:55:14am

re: #10 Decatur Deb

This letter shall be known as Nancy’s No-Tickey-No-Laundry letter.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:57:07am
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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:57:37am

Trump’s talking about the Cohen lawyer statement, and it’s predictably batcrap insane:

But what the fuck is he talking about with other clients. Trump was his primary client. Hannity was the other one known. Who else was there?

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:57:45am

re: #24 lawhawk

The Cohen story is huge, and the media will bury it as fast as it can so it can cover the “both sides” of the Pelosi-Trump battle.

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:58:36am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

We’ll have that discussion right after we finally address the gun issue in this country.

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S'latch  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:58:53am

Nancy is awesome in my opinion. She’s tough and doing an excellent job. I am so glad she is the Speaker of the House right now.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:59:21am

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Who are the, presumably, 7% of people who think Trump shouldn’t be holding government workers hostage and yet approve of his job?

That might be the real and true crazification factor.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:59:25am

Hump Day

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:00:30pm

re: #36 FormerDirtDart ????

Hump Day

At least it’s Friday.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:00:47pm

re: #5 KGxvi

So… if Trump tries to take the podium, do the Capitol Police arrest him for trespassing? And what does the Secret Service do?

As I mentioned earlier, the Secret Service hasn’t been paid for a month. They might even decline to escort him there. (I would expect the Capitol Police to merely escort him out, though.)

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:01:42pm
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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:02:23pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

We’re in unknown territory here. Nobody ever expected this would be an issue. Trump is destroying everything about the office he holds.

This has been a very unusual version of Infrastructure Week.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:03:27pm

re: #31 lawhawk

So we’re all cool with Trump acting like a straight up thug and threatening witnesses now? This is outrageous. I’m surprised that Democrats aren’t making more noise about this.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:04:35pm

re: #38 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

As I mentioned earlier, the Secret Service hasn’t been paid for a month. They might even decline to escort him there. (I would expect the Capitol Police to merely escort him out, though.)

The Brooks Brothers storm troops will get him in with help from the GOP representatives 5th column.

(That would have sounded really stupid, 3 years ago.)

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:05:23pm

The other side to this besides his need to establish some measure of dominance over Nancy is Donny’s lack of credible alternative options.

A letter or White House address wouldn’t net him the sort of ego-stroking he needs, no matter how much the media might get tingles up their legs about his sounding “presidential.” He needs a live audience and either of these options simply wouldn’t provide him with that.

The proposal to hold the speech in the Senate is handicapped by the same reality that Nancy won’t allow a resolution for a joint session to be voted upon and even if she would, Mitch likely couldn’t pull together the votes to break a Dem filibuster.

The last option, holding a rally in a red state venue, would get him a huge audience but wouldn’t draw the sort of national attention that a SOTU address normally does. Plus it wouldn’t involve Congress directly, which would mean Nancy and Chuck had succeeded in keeping him out.

So, given his lack of other options that tick the two major objectives of getting a huge audience and doing so to spite Nancy, he’s left with no other option but to cause a constitutional crisis because his ego demands it.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:06:27pm

Jeez— I was typing that “5th column” comment while the McCarthy perfidy was being posted.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:07:51pm

.. an administration of 1.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:08:18pm

Pray to Dog Almighty for a stress-induced stroke for Donnie Small Fists.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:08:45pm

I would like to hear from one of the House leadership that they are beginning preliminary impeachment investigations involving Trump’s threats to Cohen’s family.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:10:15pm

re: #45 Single-handed sailor

.. an administration of 1.

And all of this could be overcome if McConnell does the job his post requires.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:10:19pm

Nancy Pelosi is a ball cutter, and I love it.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:11:50pm

I think we begin to see why Mitch agreed to the vote on Thursday for a “clean” CR. As humiliating as it may be to force the gov’t reopened without wall funding secured, a constitutional crisis over the SOTU address would be a great deal messier.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:12:09pm
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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:12:19pm
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Mike Lamb  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:13:49pm

re: #39 Patricia Kayden

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It’s nice that the GOP put another lightweight in charge. McCarthy has no chance.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:14:08pm

re: #51 lawhawk

What does it say for those of us who can’t see the picture? You can tl;dr it if you want.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:14:33pm

re: #52 FormerDirtDart ????

Florida, of course.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:14:35pm

I am mentally wired like Nancy Pelosi.

Push me at your peril. I will smile, observe your behavior and motivations out loud for everyone, and give you nothing unless I consider it an acceptable compromise. Not acceptable? I don’t budge an inch.

Drives my boss a wee bit nuts.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:14:48pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

I think we begin to see why Mitch agreed to the vote on Thursday for a “clean” CR. As humiliating as it may be to force the gov’t reopened without wall funding secured, a constitutional crisis over the SOTU address would be a great deal messier.

I don’t see how Trump not getting to do a SOTU in front of a joint Congress constitutes a constitutional crisis. Trump is not a normal president and he shouldn’t be treated as such.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:14:51pm

re: #5 KGxvi

So… if Trump tries to take the podium, do the Capitol Police arrest him for trespassing? And what does the Secret Service do?

Her House, Her rules. tRump has no authority to enter against her wishes. I somehow think that if she instructs the Capitol Police to keep him out, they will. Secret Service is there to protect him, not be his private enforcers.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:15:28pm

Real Infrastructure Week in Taiwan:

Brawl in Taiwan’s parliament

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Mike Lamb  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:15:41pm

re: #52 FormerDirtDart ????

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Disgruntled ex-employee? Ex-significant other of an employee?

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:15:54pm

Rick Wilson picked up one of my tweets responding to a bit of prose he posted….

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:16:24pm

re: #52 FormerDirtDart ????

White guy then.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:16:45pm

re: #54 Belafon

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Dr. Matt  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:17:08pm

re: #55 Ace Rothstein

Florida, of course.

He surrendered and is still alive….I’m guessing he’s White.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:18:07pm

re: #53 Mike Lamb

It’s nice that the GOP put another lightweight in charge. McCarthy has no chance.

Who?

/

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:18:19pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

I think we begin to see why Mitch agreed to the vote on Thursday for a “clean” CR. As humiliating as it may be to force the gov’t reopened without wall funding secured, a constitutional crisis over the SOTU address would be a great deal messier.

This seems about right.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:20:38pm

re: #53 Mike Lamb

It’s nice that the GOP put another lightweight in charge. McCarthy has no chance.

So what did McCarthy say/do?

Short version OK.

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Interesting Times  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:22:22pm

This graphic needs to be posted/retweeted everywhere:

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:22:53pm
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Dr. Matt  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:23:47pm

Worth posting again in light of today’s news:

“I’m a mother of five, and a grandmother of nine. I know a temper tantrum when I see one.”
~President Pelosi owning Donnie, January 13, 2019

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:24:52pm
So what is he actually up to? I’d refer you to this excellent article in Tuesday’s Post from Damian Paletta and Josh Dawsey, which describes how throughout his career Trump has employed a particular mode of negotiation: “He creates — or threatens to create — a calamity, and then insists he will address the problem only if his adversary capitulates to a separate demand.”

That is precisely what is happening with the shutdown right now. Trump created the calamity, then demanded his wall to bring it to an end. In return, he offered a temporary reprieve for “dreamers” — the very ones whose future he put in jeopardy when he tried to cancel the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. It’s like me stealing your car, then saying if you give me a bunch of money, I’ll give it back to you, but only temporarily.

…….When Pelosi poked him in the way she did, he had to reassert his dominance, to make sure everyone knows that he’s the one who decides if the State of the Union happens, not her. The trouble is that in this case, she does get to decide. Given what we know about her, it’s unlikely that the threat to just show up is going to make her back down.

I’ve argued that for all his self-regard Trump is actually a dreadful negotiator, but this episode shows that it goes further than just being bad at getting what he wants. A negotiation with Trump might not just fail, it can turn into a catastrophe. We’ve already suffered through a few of them, and in the next two years, with Democrats running the House and the special counsel breathing down his neck, Trump will feel more and more constrained. In response, he’s likely to create more crises and more chaos, in the hope that he can emerge from it all on top.

washingtonpost.com

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:25:54pm

Well, this should get interesting

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:26:52pm

re: #51 lawhawk

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Trump’s threats worked. Mafiaso in chief.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:28:00pm
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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:28:07pm

Now he has an excuse to go to war.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:29:16pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:29:43pm
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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:30:24pm

re: #72 FormerDirtDart ????

Trump continues undermining US foreign policy and is the gift that keeps on giving to Russia.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:30:33pm

re: #58 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Her House, Her rules. tRump has no authority to enter against her wishes. I somehow think that if she instructs the Capitol Police to keep him out, they will. Secret Service is there to protect him, not be his private enforcers.

Hopefully he won’t enlist a few dozen Oathkeepers or Proud Boys to defend their president.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:31:17pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

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The dumb bastards underestimated her.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:36:28pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Wag the dog time.

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TedStriker  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:36:33pm

re: #79 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

Hopefully he won’t enlist a few dozen Oathkeepers or Proud Boys to defend their president.

Or goons from whatever Blackwater is called these days, to help Trump “take back the ‘people’s’ House”.

A scenario that wouldn’t even entered my mind a few years ago.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:37:41pm

re: #81 Ace Rothstein

Wag the dog time.

We will drop these bombs now, we’ll arm them once the government gets turned back on…

//

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:40:30pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:40:31pm

re: #81 Ace Rothstein

Wag the dog time.

Yep.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:40:34pm

Man. These people are lost beyond all hope.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:41:42pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Man. These people are lost beyond all hope.

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Yeah they live in fantasyland aided and abetted by Trump and FNC but it’s their own fault.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:44:47pm

Can’t stop the winning.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:44:49pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Man. These people are lost beyond all hope.

That’s almost ELIZA 2.0 in its repsonse.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:44:56pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

May “Mylissa” get a venereal disease and her insurance company call it a pre-existing condition.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:45:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:46:17pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

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Too bad. I’ll miss his food photos.

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Jay C  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:46:55pm

re: #53 Mike Lamb

It’s nice that the GOP put another lightweight in charge. McCarthy has no chance.

“GOPleader”??

Yeah, “pleading” is the look of it, all right….

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:48:45pm

re: #78 lawhawk

Trump continues undermining US foreign policy and is the gift that keeps on giving to Russia.

Running thread of nations following suit

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:49:26pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

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the true test of legitimacy….

//

what a time to be alive….

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:50:15pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

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The new President of Venezuela gets a sash with a blue check mark on it.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:52:11pm

And here we go.
washingtonpost.com

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:54:33pm

re: #46 Dr. Matt

Pray to Dog Almighty for a stress-induced stroke for Donnie Small Fists.

Here’s the thing… I’m not sure I’d trust the few remaining goons in the White House to pull an Edith Wilson move and simply not tell anyone that the president has been incapacitated. The wingnut media would be more than happy to present fake interviews, his twitter rantings could be easily reproduced by a bot. You just know Ivanka can do his signature.

No, I still want him unceremoniously frog marched out of the White House after the Senate votes to convict on impeachment.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:54:59pm
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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:55:15pm

re: #72 FormerDirtDart ????

Well, this should get interesting

This Infrastructure Week has taken on a particular international flavor.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:55:43pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:55:57pm

Dickhead better be damn sure everyone gets out alive with this Venezuala thing. My feeling are that is can go south VERY quickly.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:56:19pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:56:46pm

So glad the weekend is here.
/

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:57:45pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:57:58pm

re: #103 jaunte

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You may deliver it in writing, you may deliver from the Oval Office, you may deliver it anywhere you like, but you may not deliver it here.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:58:12pm

re: #72 FormerDirtDart ????

Well, this should get interesting

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:58:32pm

re: #97 Dave In Austin

Grammar check - apostrophe after Nancy: Nancy’s. There aren’t multiple Nancys (maybe there should be, in which case the apostrophe goes after the s)

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:59:15pm

Trump doesn’t care about the safety of anyone who “works for him”, so he’ll tell them to stay.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:59:21pm

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Dave In Austin  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:59:27pm

re: #108 lawhawk

Grammar check - apostrophe after Nancy: Nancy’s. There aren’t multiple Nancys (maybe there should be, in which case the apostrophe goes after the s)

The tool is antiquated….. Not allowed.

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:59:44pm

….huh.

I’d been following an account for the last 2 or so years and thought nothing of it aside from the fact that it was an obviously British account.

Somehow, I only just now realized that the Rachael Prior I’d been following is a top dog at Big Talk Productions, and it only took her personally promoting The Kid Who Would Be King on her account to realize it.

Sometimes, I realize just how attentive I really am not.

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retired cynic  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:59:56pm

re: #56 BlueGrl21

I am mentally wired like Nancy Pelosi.

Push me at your peril. I will smile, observe your behavior and motivations out loud for everyone, and give you nothing unless I consider it an acceptable compromise. Not acceptable? I don’t budge an inch.

Drives my boss a wee bit nuts.

Not me, sigh. I’m a total wuss. I wish I was more like you!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:00:24pm

re: #107 FormerDirtDart ????

If I were State I’d pull out everyone except essential personnel for the time being. Regardless of what Guaido says, lives are at risk.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:01:32pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:01:45pm

“Maduro says GTFO to US diplomats”

I’m hearing 72hrs and the clock is running.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:01:58pm

The so-called President is more upset about not being able to deliver the state of the union from the House than he is about 800,000 people working for nothing and destroying the economy in the process. What a time to be alive.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:02:31pm

re: #108 lawhawk

Grammar check - apostrophe after Nancy: Nancy’s. There aren’t multiple Nancys (maybe there should be, in which case the apostrophe goes after the s)

Wouldn’t the plural of Nancy be Nancies?

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:03:01pm

re: #100 Sir John Barron

This Infrastructure Week has taken on a particular international flavor.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:03:47pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:03:47pm

Trump has cancelled the State of The Union…LOL

(goes to raw story) based on this tweet:

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stpaulbear  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:04:00pm

If Trump decides that he’s going to show up in the House and give his SOTU, I hope that Pelosi filibusters with a list of all of the funding bills the House has passed, all of the ways Trump has reneged on agreements, and as much dirt as she can dish on McConnell. Can you imagine the optics of Trump’s people trying to dislodge her from the podium? Pelosi’s already proven that she can go the distance with a filibuster.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:04:30pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

I went home with the waitress… how was I to know she was with the Russians too?

(That song is even more relevant today)

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:04:44pm

re: #103 jaunte

The problem is when Schumer works with McConnell then the government will be open… but only for two weeks.

If this happens before the 29th, then Trump will shout that the gov’t is open so he ought to be allowed into the House Chambers…

… and then Trump closes the gov’t again the following week.

This is why I don’t like what Schumer is doing.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:05:19pm

re: #118 KGxvi

Wouldn’t the plural of Nancy be Nancies?

If you were referring to nancy (slang/derogatory term), you’d be right, but the plural of the name Nancy would be Nancys.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:05:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:05:44pm

re: #121 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Trump has cancelled the State of The Union…LOL

(goes to raw story) based on this tweet:

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Nah she knows you’re an empty suit. You otoh think you’re George Washington.

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:06:26pm

re: #118 KGxvi

Wouldn’t the plural of Nancy be Nancies?

I’ve never really been sure on pluralizing names ending in y like that, whether they’re exempt from the ‘ie’ rule or not.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:06:52pm

re: #124 freetoken

The problem is when Schumer works with McConnell then the government will be open… but only for two weeks.

If this happens before the 29th, then Trump will shout that the gov’t is open so he ought to be allowed into the House Chambers…

… and then Trump closes the gov’t again the following week.

This is why I don’t like what Schumer is doing.

One of the things that needs to come out of this is a real fucking budget. This bullshit of governing by continuing resolutions needs to stop. It’s time to be grown ups again.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:07:19pm

re: #121 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

You can’t stop me from giving the SOTU in the House, I’m cancelling my appearance. So There!

Trump’s a fucking tangerine toddler who thinks he always has to get his way. He’s learning the hard way that’s not how any of this works, and that Congress doesn’t roll over for him, unless the GOP is in charge, in which case they’ll cover for him while avoiding doing anything approximating governing.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:07:20pm

re: #103 jaunte

“So mean, very mean, very partisan and shrill, not a uniter, what about norms?”
///

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:07:42pm

re: #128 Citizen K

I’ve never really been sure on pluralizing names ending in y like that, whether they’re exempt from the ‘ie’ rule or not.

I’ve always seen Johnny pluralized as Johnnies.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:08:36pm

re: #121 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Trump has cancelled the State of The Union…LOL

(goes to raw story) based on this tweet:

New phrase of the week “ doesn’t want to hear the truth.”

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:08:43pm

re: #79 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

Hopefully he won’t enlist a few dozen Oathkeepers or Proud Boys to defend their president.

I don’t think his ego is that big. Even he knows that trying to force entry into the House is a bridge too far. (I hope)

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Dave In Austin  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:08:57pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:10:21pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Nah she knows you’re an empty suit. You otoh think you’re George Washington.

Not just George Washington, but really

Washing-ton,
Washing-ton,
6 foot 8,
Weighs a fucking ton.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:10:23pm

re: #133 Belafon

New phrase of the week “ doesn’t want to hear the truth.”

YOU CAN’T HANDLE….

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:10:52pm
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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:10:52pm

re: #135 Dave In Austin

This might come as a shock to Representative Williams being that he is only *checks notes* a member of the *checks notes again* US House of Representatives… but it turns out the president can speak to the American people pretty much whenever and however he wants. He doesn’t need to give a speech in Congress to talk to the American people.

Hell, in just the last two weeks he has given two televised speeches from the White House!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:11:07pm

re: #135 Dave In Austin

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He can deliver a handwritten note Roger. There’s nothing that says he must be there.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:11:16pm

re: #135 Dave In Austin

Yeah, Hillary, give the SOTU.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:11:55pm

re: #138 goddamnedfrank

Tomorrow it’ll be back on again, with more letters, more tweets, etc.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:12:34pm

I’m wondering if Trump’s contractors are learning how to handle him.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:12:45pm
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sagehen  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:12:56pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:13:01pm

re: #135 Dave In Austin

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“Americans deserve to hear from their President.”

1) Nobody’s preventing him giving another anemic snoozefest from the Oval Office.

2) Deserve? What bad thing have we done to deserve THAT? I mean, apart from electing him by a minority due to the archaic rules.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:13:22pm

re: #133 Belafon

New phrase of the week “ doesn’t want to hear the truth.”

“What else do we have? Oh yeah, I love Build The Wall Won’t Fall. Wait, that’s not it. Crime The Wall Build Tall. No, wait….”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:14:15pm

re: #146 Blind Frog Belly White

“Americans deserve to hear from their President.”

1) Nobody’s preventing him giving another anemic snoozefest from the Oval Office.

2) Deserve? What bad thing have we done to deserve THAT? I mean, apart from electing him by a minority due to the archaic rules.

I for one won’t complain if he developed a case of laryngitis. That voice is awful.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:14:19pm

re: #135 Dave In Austin

Why can’t we just follow his stupid Twitters account if we “want to hear from the president”?

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Semper Fi  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:14:33pm

Trump says, Pelosi doesn’t want to hear the truth. That implies he was planning to have a guest speaker. //

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:14:47pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:15:50pm
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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:16:00pm

If 2019 can get us exempted from another terrible SOTU speech/campaign rally we should all be joyful.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:16:29pm
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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:16:53pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s so flustered with her he can’t come up with an insulting nickname.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:16:54pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

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Donald Trump, Donald Trump as I call him has baby hands.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:17:41pm

re: #154 freetoken

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She’s actually offered a lot more on security rather than a wall for the MAGA babies who think a wall will keep them safe.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:18:19pm

re: #155 Belafon

He’s so flustered with her he can’t come up with an insulting nickname.

He does that when he’s afraid of someone. Putin doesn’t have a nickname either.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:19:15pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:19:19pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:19:27pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:19:59pm

Thanks Trump!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:20:27pm

re: #161 freetoken

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Didn’t see you say that with ACA repeals no one wanted.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:20:51pm
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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:20:53pm

re: #118 KGxvi

Wouldn’t the plural of Nancy be Nancies?

No, because it is a name. You can’t change the spelling of a name when you make it plural.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:21:05pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

He can’t come up with a good nickname. He’s lost and can’t figure out the narrative. She’s totally knocked him off his game and has no clue how to respond.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:22:33pm

Nancy was championing LGBT rights when Trump was doing blow.

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:23:16pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

I’ve always seen Johnny pluralized as Johnnies.

They were wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:24:25pm

re: #168 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

They were wrong.

I actually forgot Johnny could be spelled Johnnie.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:27:06pm
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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:27:36pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

I actually forgot Johnny could be spelled Johnnie.

Just Walker away….

Speaking of… a drink would be nice right about now on this wonderful Friday (aw crap… it’s only Wednesday).

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:28:49pm

re: #170 Patricia Kayden

Believe it, believe me.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:28:59pm

re: #171 lawhawk

Just Walker away….

Speaking of… a drink would be nice right about now on this wonderful Friday (aw crap… it’s only Wednesday).

I hear that.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:29:07pm

re: #171 lawhawk

Just Walker away….

Speaking of… a drink would be nice right about now on this wonderful Friday (aw crap… it’s only Wednesday).

It’s Friday somewhen.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:29:29pm

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

It’s 70-11eleventy dimension chess.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:30:13pm

re: #170 Patricia Kayden

I’m not sure about her assertions. There may be laws that allow a US President access to anywhere in the US, and in general any citizen has a “right” to go to Capitol Hill, but it’d be a hollow thing for Trump to go the House and find it locked, or dark, or not be able to speak from the dias.

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:30:48pm

re: #40 Sir John Barron

This has been a very unusual version of Infrastructure Week.

I think we have been mislead about infrastructure week.

It’s been going on all along. We just missed it.

How?

It’s not in America.

It is in Russia.

That is why Trump wanted to build there. He knew he was going to be helping their infrastructure if and when he won the presidency.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:31:58pm

re: #8 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

this is why Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the house (among many other reasons) she does not play.

i just logged in to add:

you wanted who to be speaker…..?

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:32:11pm

@brianstelter

A reminder from @CSPAN: The House speaker “controls the video and audio from the House chamber. If the House is not in session, there’s no video feed to show.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:33:06pm

re: #178 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i just logged in to add:

you wanted who to be speaker…..?

Yeah this is exactly why the Speaker shouldn’t have gone to a rookie.

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Varek Raith  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:33:33pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:33:51pm

re: #170 Patricia Kayden

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Pelosi can instruct the Sergeant at Arms and Capitol Police to shut down the power and wi-fi, turn on the emergency signal jammers on the House side and physically break down anybody on Trump’s staff who tries to enter without permission and resists arrest. So Trump could enter but Stephen Miller might end up getting his head cracked open, and the last thing the Secret Service wants is to be put in the middle of that kind of shit show resulting from a flagrant assault on the Separation of Powers.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:34:21pm

re: #178 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i just logged in to add:

you wanted who to be speaker…..?

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Yeah this is exactly why the Speaker shouldn’t have gone to a rookie.

There’s a whole series of tweets that should be generated about this, some of which should be a jab at the House Dems who thought Pelosi shouldn’t be speaker.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:34:31pm

Buckle up buttercup Trump… it’s going to get bumpy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:35:24pm

re: #183 Belafon

There’s a whole series of tweets that should be generated about this, some of which should be a jab at the House Dems who thought Pelosi shouldn’t be speaker.

Kathleen Rice and Seth Moulton, your crow is now ready.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:35:51pm
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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:36:13pm

re: #176 freetoken

I’m not sure about her assertions. There may be laws that allow a US President access to anywhere in the US, and in general any citizen has a “right” to go to Capitol Hill, but it’d be a hollow thing for Trump to go the House and find it locked, or dark, or not be able to speak from the dias.

TURN THE MACHINES BACK ON!!!

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Mike Lamb  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:36:36pm

It’d be even more awesome if Pelosi could get network coverage of a floor speech held at the exact same time the SOTU was originally scheduled. The lack of attention is what really galls Trump.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:37:31pm
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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:37:43pm

While the National Commission on Military, National and Public Service isn’t nearly prepared to make a decision on Selective Service, they have concluded that the country needs to improve it’s civics education efforts, and that the current level is practically appalling. they also found that individuals who had a proper education on civics were four times more likely to engage in public service.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:37:52pm

re: #188 Mike Lamb

It’d be even more awesome if Pelosi could get network coverage of a floor speech held at the exact same time the SOTU was originally scheduled. The lack of attention is what really galls Trump.

What’s tearing him up right now is that not only has someone else asserted authority, but a woman did it.

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Jay C  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:38:26pm

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

ISTM that this latest SOTU flap has basically - as our cousins Over The Pond would say - utterly buggered whatever legislative kludge Mitch McConnell and/or Chuck Schumer have contrived to end the shutdown/budget impasse. To me, Trump is just going to be so angry at this quite-public slapdown (and by a mere girl, no less!), that he’s probably just going to dig in, and vow to veto
- probably on a Fox News Special - anything Congress passes that doesn’t (specifically, laudatorily, and by name) provide for a YUUUUGE BEAUTIFUL WALL A MILLION MILES LONG!!!!!

So we’re back to Square One: a continuation of the least-popular shutdown in history: or an embarrassing override. Lose-lose…..

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:38:31pm

i’ve been having a busy couple of days
i have not read this entire thread - i skimmed a bit

so whether it’s been covered already:

this is not any kind of ‘constitutional crisis’
it’s black and white and clear to anyone with a 5th grade education and maybe some schoolhouse rock in their background

what is happening is that the house never said no before (as far as i know)
that is not a crisis. its the way the constitution was written

now as for other firsts, see garland, merrick (and that’s just one)
also not a crisis. merely contemptible

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TedStriker  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:39:02pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Nancy was championing LGBT rights when Trump was doing blow.

Off of Roy Cohn’s ass.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:39:05pm

Officials are being very tight lipped around the shooting at a bank in Sebring Florida. They note there were injuries, but haven’t gotten more specific than saying to pray for those involved. That’s not a good sign.

The typical GOP response among state officials - thoughts and prayers.

We don’t even know what the body count is this time, but it’s not sounding good.

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Dom  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:39:29pm

This “Build a Wall and Crime Will Fall” slogan encourages a particularly direct prejudice. It feels like Trump just got himself a bigger dog-whistle.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:39:48pm

re: #191 Belafon

What’s tearing him up right now is that not only has someone else asserted authority, but a woman did it.

This wasn’t how it worked in his casino bankruptcy days…..

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:40:19pm

re: #186 freetoken

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Boo hoo Maggie. Trump questioned the birthright of the last president. Trump doesn’t deserve our respect.

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:40:36pm

re: #165 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

No, because it is a name. You can’t change the spelling of a name when you make it plural.

Right, that’s what I’ve always erred on, but never been too sure on it.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:41:10pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Boo hoo Maggie. Trump questioned the birthright of the last president. Trump doesn’t deserve our respect.

What’s Maggie complaining about?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:41:12pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:41:50pm

p.s.

all this nonsense about whether the president has the right the enter the chamber, invoking capitol police, cspan cameras et al

twaddle. all of it.

the sotu is (usually) delivered at night
no one’s gonna be there

the house will have adjourned earlier in the day and be home eating dinner

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:41:50pm

re: #190 FormerDirtDart ????

While the National Commission on Military, National and Public Service isn’t nearly prepared to make a decision on Selective Service, they have concluded that the country needs to improve it’s civics education efforts, and that the current level is practically appalling. they also found that individuals who had a proper education on civics were four times more likely to engage in public service.

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But Trump is going to force transgendered servicemembers to separate from service - at a time when the military is looking for more people willing to serve their country.

The GOP is fucking up everything they’re touching here. They’re undermining military readiness and preparedness with their fickle policies and don’t care about the consequences. They’d rather send troops to the border to stop migrant women and children from coming to the US to seek asylum. They’re afraid of women and children - because they aren’t white. They don’t want transgendered persons serving.

This is the state of the GOP. It is awful and getting worse.

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Dom  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:44:02pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

Depressingly likely.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:45:25pm
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gwangung  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:46:03pm

re: #192 Jay C

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ISTM that this latest SOTU flap has basically - as our cousins Over The Pond would say - utterly buggered whatever legislative kludge Mitch McConnell and/or Chuck Schumer have contrived to end the shutdown/budget impasse. To me, Trump is just going to be so angry at this quite-public slapdown (and by a mere girl, no less!), that he’s probably just going to dig in, and vow to veto
- probably on a Fox News Special - anything Congress passes that doesn’t (specifically, laudatorily, and by name) provide for a YUUUUGE BEAUTIFUL WALL A MILLION MILES LONG!!!!!

So we’re back to Square One: a continuation of the least-popular shutdown in history: or an embarrassing override. Lose-lose…..

I can’t help but think that subconsciously, this is what Trump wanted to do.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:49:46pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:50:06pm

So now that Nancy has humiliated him I think it’s a pretty safe bet Trump will torch the Senate votes tomorrow.

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KerFuFFler  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:50:10pm

re: #5 KGxvi

So… if Trump tries to take the podium, do the Capitol Police arrest him for trespassing? And what does the Secret Service do?

I think the most effective way of keeping him from speaking would be to have the audio system locked up and blaring loud music so he can’t speak. I can’t see the Secret Service crashing through doors to control an audio system. I don’t think Pelosi can keep Trump from entering the room but she could keep him from being heard.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:51:54pm

re: #192 Jay C

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ISTM that this latest SOTU flap has basically - as our cousins Over The Pond would say - utterly buggered whatever legislative kludge Mitch McConnell and/or Chuck Schumer have contrived to end the shutdown/budget impasse. To me, Trump is just going to be so angry at this quite-public slapdown (and by a mere girl, no less!), that he’s probably just going to dig in, and vow to veto
- probably on a Fox News Special - anything Congress passes that doesn’t (specifically, laudatorily, and by name) provide for a YUUUUGE BEAUTIFUL WALL A MILLION MILES LONG!!!!!

So we’re back to Square One: a continuation of the least-popular shutdown in history: or an embarrassing override. Lose-lose…..

I feel like if the House bill passes and Trump actually vetoes then he’s absolutely fucked. He’ll probably lose another 3 to 5 points in popularity within the week, federal workers will miss another paycheck and the economy will really start to tank. More retailers will be unable to renew their foodstamp eligibility, businesses that rely on spending from federal employees and contractors will start to lay people off and the ripple effects will start hitting the stock market hard. At that point, with Trump so visibly wounded and toothless there should be enough GOP Senate votes to override. They’re pack animals, their loyalty is based on fear, not respect, all they need to see is him bleed a bit more.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:52:23pm

re: #205 Charles Johnson

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Be more accurate if he turned around and took a picture of the bowl after evacuating.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:53:56pm
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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:54:57pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:56:29pm

NBC and ABC reporting five dead in Florida bank shooting.

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EPR-radar  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:56:58pm

re: #181 Varek Raith

There should be a pair of shriveled chickpeas in that vise.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:59:08pm

re: #213 freetoken

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The House has, in fact, passed a number of resolutions, which McConnell has refused to bring to a vote. One of them even includes about a Billion dollars for border security.

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EPR-radar  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:59:49pm

re: #196 Dom

This “Build a Wall and Crime Will Fall” slogan encourages a particularly direct prejudice. It feels like Trump just got himself a bigger dog-whistle.

Trump graduated from dog-whistles long ago. His preferred implement for fomenting bigotry and racism is the fog horn.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:00:35pm

Dreher really hates uppity injuns…

The more I read about that liar activist Nathan Phillips, the angrier I get about him. He’s like a third-rate Saul Alinsky. Now Catholic News Agency reports that he and his merry band of righteous dudes tried to invade the Basilica Shrine of the Immaculate Conception during mass on Saturday — this, after they instigated the confrontation with the Covington Catholic kids down by the Lincoln Memorial. CNA quotes a security guard at the shrine saying Phillips and his crew tried to enter the basilica chanting and banging on a drum while mass was going on.

Not like we haven’t been shitting all over Native Americans for 500 years, but who is counting?

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:00:48pm

Yeah, blotch.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:01:11pm

At least 5 dead in shooting at Florida bank

Perp taken alive, identified as 21 year old Zeven Xaver.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:03:20pm

re: #219 Belafon

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Yeah, blotch.

Yeah, you know he had to bite his tongue hard to not say that other word. I wonder if he’ll let it slip sometime. You know he wants to.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:03:48pm
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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:05:31pm
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Mike Lamb  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:06:09pm

re: #218 Scottish Dragon

Dreher really hates uppity injuns…

Not like we haven’t been shitting all over Native Americans for 500 years, but who is counting?

Let’s assume that the incident at the church actually happened…that means what, exactly? That he deserved to have racists make fun of him?

Shit…I walked into that one, didn’t I?

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Ferdinand  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:06:57pm

re: #218 Scottish Dragon

If Phillips was Christian then Dreher would be lauding him as an evangelist spreading the word of God in his own Spirit-filled way. Religious freedom for me, but not for thee, is Rod’s mantra these days.

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piratedan  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:08:14pm

have to admit, there’s something incredibly exonerating watching Pelosi deny Trump his Bully Pulpit, because that’s all that this is… no one is saying that Trump can’t give a speech, Nancy is simply not permitting it in HER house and she’s explicitly stated why it won’t be happening in HER House and that she’s perfectly correct and proper for determining who gets to speak in HER House from HER Pulpit.

If Trump wants to speak, he can get his fucking shine box, find a corner and I’m sure that Fox will be there to broadcast every fucking word and lick, buff and dry his nads afterwards.

So she’s really denying him fuckall, but because he’s such an egonormous asshat, appearances matter, and she knows that it certainly matters to DJT and while this is a really small rebuke to him for doing what his fucking job is anyways, he’s gonna pout like the only thing on his plate at dinner is brussels sprouts and he fucking hates brussels sprouts.

I’m sure that the MSM will twist and twirl themselves into some fucking outrage that this is the norm that has been busted as a bridge too far because that’s what they do. Never mind the apparent fact that an entire political party sold themselves over to another fucking government so that they could have their cash and their racism too.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:08:41pm

re: #170 Patricia Kayden

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Isn’t this the wife of the guy who forced his mistresses to have abortions?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:09:49pm

re: #200 Sir John Barron

What’s Maggie complaining about?

Pelosi.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:10:15pm

re: #227 Joe Bacon ??

Isn’t this the wife of the guy who forced his mistresses to have abortions?

Yes

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:10:21pm

re: #118 KGxvi

Wouldn’t the plural of Nancy be Nancies?

Regarding Dave’s cap and the question about the spelling.

Wouldn’t it be ‘s because it is a contraction of Nancy has got my balls? The apostrophe replaces the h and a.

It is not a possessive. Because nothing is Nancy’s.

It is Nancy’s got my balls.

But as Dave discovered…there are no apostrophes available.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:10:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:11:04pm

re: #228 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Texas pastor Jonathan Shelley: Public schools should stone rebellious teens and “lazy gamers.”
Sorry, Jonathan, many of them are already stoned.

Many of these pastors would be less miserable if they actually had fun.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:11:34pm

re: #226 piratedan

Yep.

Trump can’t fire her.

He can’t sic lawyers on her.

He can’t pay her to go away.

He can’t bludgeon her.

All of his normal tricks are useless. He’s got nothing.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:12:07pm
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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:12:14pm
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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:12:17pm

re: #222 FormerDirtDart ????

Have we ever had a president as disliked as Trump? He’s never gotten to 50% approval, he hasn’t been under 50% disapproval since his first two weeks on the job. Reagan had terrible numbers by January 1983, but he’d been as high as 68% and sort of rebounded.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:12:28pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:13:22pm

re: #219 Belafon

“Whats going on in that party is shocking,”

Yeah, blotch.

Why, yes—it is shocking. We’re holding our shit together and holding Republican feet to the fire. I’m shocked, shocked, I tells ya’.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:14:08pm

re: #238 jaunte

What Graham conveniently leaves out is the previous 57 new lows that were set by Trump himself.

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Jay C  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:14:56pm

re: #226 piratedan

Heh. Updinged for “shine box”…..

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steve_davis  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:16:10pm

re: #41 Patricia Kayden

So we’re all cool with Trump acting like a straight up thug and threatening witnesses now? This is outrageous. I’m surprised that Democrats aren’t making more noise about this.

when your opponent is exercising a bad plan, help him.

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:17:12pm

re: #191 Belafon

What’s tearing him up right now is that not only has someone else asserted authority, but a woman did it.

There was a guy on MSNBC yesterday that operated one of his Atlantic City Casinos. He said Trump is absolutely stymied by having to work with any powerful woman. He just can’t do it. I guess he is so misogynistic he can’t come to grips with a woman being his equal let alone above him in any manner.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:17:14pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:17:16pm

re: #237 KGxvi

Have we ever had a president as disliked as Trump? He’s never gotten to 50% approval, he hasn’t been under 50% disapproval since his first two weeks on the job. Reagan had terrible numbers by January 1983, but he’d been as high as 68% and sort of rebounded.

W ended in the mid-20s, but he had to detonate the economy to get there. It never seemed at all as personal as the disdain for Trump.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:18:11pm
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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:18:54pm

re: #246 freetoken

Trump couldn’t write a report to save his life.

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steve_davis  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:19:07pm

re: #46 Dr. Matt

Pray to Dog Almighty for a stress-induced stroke for Donnie Small Fists.

let’s not do that. I despise the man, but I don’t want him to stroke out. though it would be kind of funny if he had a very mild stroke that caused him to become like that Harrison Ford character whose life completely changed after he took the bullet to the head, becoming thoroughly decent.

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steve_davis  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:22:24pm

re: #59 Decatur Deb

Real Infrastructure Week in Taiwan:

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Video

Now THIS is how parliament should work. 300 parliamentarians enter: one parliamentarian leaves.

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:23:19pm

re: #238 jaunte

Isn’t it nice that the GOP has a go-to “newspaper” and a go-to “news channel” to get their talking points out without fear of contradiction?

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:23:55pm

...

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:23:58pm

re: #245 Decatur Deb

W ended in the mid-20s, but he had to detonate the economy to get there. It never seemed at all as personal as the disdain for Trump.

That’s what I mean, though. Bush, even before his 9/11 spike, was still in the high 50s on his approval ratings. And even in 2004 during the election never really dropped much lower than the high 40s. It wasn’t really until mid-2005 that his numbers dropped into Trump territory - that was after it came out that Iraq didn’t have WMDs, and the economy was starting to overheat/falter.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:23:59pm

Covington Catholic Teen on ‘Fox & Friends’: Blackface Is ‘School Spirit’

I have more kidneys (one) than there are people who actually believe these pissants.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:24:18pm
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Dr. Matt  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:25:12pm

FFS —> Roseanne Barr Tickets: ticketmaster.com

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Mike Lamb  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:25:49pm

re: #246 freetoken

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Something tells me that this one wasn’t talking about anyone’s CONSTITUTIONAL responsibility when Merrick Garland was twisting in the wind.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:25:51pm

re: #254 jaunte

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This is what dictators do.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:25:53pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:26:00pm

re: #254 jaunte

Republican Party committee passes resolution to cancel GOP primary due to Trump’s ‘effective presidency’

Good. He is the GOP and the GOP is Trump. It will never wash off.

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:26:30pm

Molly…

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:26:38pm

re: #259 Decatur Deb

They are going to have to wear this for the rest of their lives.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:27:57pm

re: #254 jaunte

I might donate to the Kasich third-party run.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:28:15pm

re: #259 Decatur Deb

Good. He is the GOP and the GOP is Trump. It will never wash off.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:29:06pm

re: #255 Dr. Matt

FFS —> Roseanne Barr Tickets: ticketmaster.com

Is there going to be a cross burning during the show?

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:29:31pm

re: #257 NO SMOCKING GUN!

This is what dictators do.

Isn’t this basically what both parties do when the incumbent is from their own party? I’m guessing the DNC wasn’t going to endorse anyone running against Obama in 2012. And the GOP wasn’t going to endorse anyone running against Bush in 2004…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:30:36pm

re: #265 KGxvi

Isn’t this basically what both parties do when the incumbent is from their own party? I’m guessing the DNC wasn’t going to endorse anyone running against Obama in 2012. And the GOP wasn’t going to endorse anyone running against Bush in 2004…

I don’t think they canceled the primary.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:31:37pm

In fac, I remember Obama in fact losing the 2012 Dem Primary in West Virginia.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:31:57pm

re: #266 HappyWarrior

I don’t think they canceled the primary.

They’re not really cancelling the primary. They’re just saying they won’t endorse anyone who runs against Trump. And it’s not like the party can stop the individual states from accepting nomination papers from someone getting on the ballot.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:32:40pm

re: #265 KGxvi

Isn’t this basically what both parties do when the incumbent is from their own party? I’m guessing the DNC wasn’t going to endorse anyone running against Obama in 2012. And the GOP wasn’t going to endorse anyone running against Bush in 2004…

It’s effectively what happens, but the parties don’t formalize it. It’s pointless to have a one-person primary, but if another person runs, the primaries occur, as they did when Buchanan challenged Bush: en.wikipedia.org.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:33:07pm

re: #264 Joe Bacon ??

Is there going to be a cross burning during the show?

Here’s the line-up:

-Ted Nugent plays cat scratch fever out of tune and out of key for 38 minutes.
-Best of Sean Hannity clips for 30 minutes
-Cross-burning
-Best of The Apprentice clips for 50 mins
-Roseanne sobers up for 7 to 12 minutes and makes it to the stage

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:34:05pm

re: #270 Dr. Matt

Here’s the line-up:

-Ted Nugent plays cat scratch fever out of tune and out of key for 38 minutes.
-Best of Sean Hannity clips for 30 minutes
-Cross-burning
-Best of The Apprentice clips for 50 mins
-Roseanne sobers up for 7 to 12 minutes and makes it to the stage

And she hurls racial slurs at AOC…

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:34:09pm

re: #268 KGxvi

They’re not really cancelling the primary. They’re just saying they won’t endorse anyone who runs against Trump. And it’s not like the party can stop the individual states from accepting nomination papers from someone getting on the ballot.

This is close enough:

A Divided Democratic Party

The Democratic Party in 1968 was in crisis. President Johnson—despite being elected with a huge majority in 1964—was soon loathed by many of his peers and constituents due to his pro-Vietnam War policies.

In November 1967, a relatively unknown and unremarkable Minnesota senator named Eugene McCarthy announced his intent to challenge Johnson for the Democratic presidential nomination. In March 1968, McCarthy won 40 percent of the vote in the New Hampshire presidential primary, thereby validating his candidacy.

A few days later, Senator Robert F. Kennedy abandoned his support for Johnson and entered the presidential fight.

President Johnson saw the writing on the wall and, on March 31, told a stunned nation during a televised address that he would not seek reelection. The following month, Vice President Hubert Humphrey—backed by Johnson—announced his candidacy for the nomination, further dividing the Democratic Party.

history.com

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:34:12pm
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BeachDem  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:36:34pm

re: #263 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Or to put it another way…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:36:52pm

re: #265 KGxvi

Isn’t this basically what both parties do when the incumbent is from their own party? I’m guessing the DNC wasn’t going to endorse anyone running against Obama in 2012. And the GOP wasn’t going to endorse anyone running against Bush in 2004…

I haven’t heard of it being done before. If it is normal, I stand corrected.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:37:15pm

re: #271 Joe Bacon ??

And she hurls racial slurs at AOC…

I believe that’s the oncore.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:37:36pm

SOTU?? STFU!!

hahahahahahahaha

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sagehen  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:37:47pm

re: #252 KGxvi

That’s what I mean, though. Bush, even before his 9/11 spike, was still in the high 50s on his approval ratings. And even in 2004 during the election never really dropped much lower than the high 40s. It wasn’t really until mid-2005 that his numbers dropped into Trump territory - that was after it came out that Iraq didn’t have WMDs, and the economy was starting to overheat/falter.

Katrina.

That’s what did it.

Katrina.

Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida, Texas, they could see with their own eyes that he wasn’t helping (and without electricity, they couldn’t see whatever excuses Fox was trying to put forward).

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steve_davis  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:37:56pm

completely OT, but I just had some of the Green Giant baby brussel sprouts, lightly sauced. Took a chance. Those may be the first edible brussel sprouts I’ve ever had. Soft. Just a little bit of flavor from the sauce. Not bitter sprouts. Maybe brussel sprouts are like pigs: they don’t get gamey until they hit puberty.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:38:46pm

re: #265 KGxvi

The wording is weird. “It wouldn’t prevent someone from running but they wouldn’t be endorsed by the GOP.” I mean, if someone chose to run as a Republican against Trump, would the whole GOP apparatus set up for them, would it not?

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:40:47pm

I had a busy morning. Did anyone watch The Today Show interview with Covington KY schoolboy?

If you did, can you give a quick summation and opinion on what you thought?

Also, I just saw local NBC News saying Savannah Guthrie will be interviewing Elder Nathan Phillips. I wonder if her beating in her twitter thread yesterday brought that on.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:41:30pm

re: #280 Belafon

The wording is weird. “It wouldn’t prevent someone from running but they wouldn’t be endorsed by the GOP.” I mean, if someone chose to run as a Republican against Trump, would the whole GOP apparatus set up for them, would it not?

I think it means they wouldn’t get funding from the RNC and/or the RNC might even run ads against them. They probably wouldn’t allow any debates, that sort of thing.

But the primaries are mostly run by the states and if you wanted to file papers to run as a Republican in Iowa or New Hampshire, that’s through the state’s Secretary of State’s office.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:42:23pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:42:45pm

re: #280 Belafon

The wording is weird. “It wouldn’t prevent someone from running but they wouldn’t be endorsed by the GOP.” I mean, if someone chose to run as a Republican against Trump, would the whole GOP apparatus set up for them, would it not?

Remember that much of what happens in a primary is determined by the interaction of state party apparatus and state law. In some states a challenger or even an unpopular incumbent might not make the primary ballot.

Edit: Never mind.

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:44:56pm

re: #270 Dr. Matt

Here’s the line-up:

-Ted Nugent plays cat scratch fever out of tune and out of key for 38 minutes.
-Best of Sean Hannity clips for 30 minutes
-Cross-burning
-Best of The Apprentice clips for 50 mins
-Roseanne sobers up for 7 to 12 minutes and makes it to the stage

-Roseanne says a bunch of fucked up shit for 90 minutes, then goes on Twitter and blames it on prescription meds

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:45:15pm
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sagehen  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:45:32pm

re: #268 KGxvi

They’re not really cancelling the primary. They’re just saying they won’t endorse anyone who runs against Trump. And it’s not like the party can stop the individual states from accepting nomination papers from someone getting on the ballot.

If they don’t have a Republican primary, how do their choose candidates for the House and Senate (and maybe in some places statewide offices)?

But if they don’t have a Republican primary, some states allow voters to choose which primary they want to vote in, and those states would then be letting Republican voters help choose the Democratic candidate.

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sagehen  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:47:55pm

re: #275 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I haven’t heard of it being done before. If it is normal, I stand corrected.

Reagan primaried Ford in 1976. Ted Kennedy primaried Carter in 1980. I think there’s been others.

Any incumbent president who’s ever been primaried… got the nomination anyway, but then lost the general election.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:48:31pm

re: #287 sagehen

If they don’t have a Republican primary, how do their choose candidates for the House and Senate (and maybe in some places statewide offices)?

But if they don’t have a Republican primary, some states allow voters to choose which primary they want to vote in, and those states would then be letting Republican voters help choose the Democratic candidate.

Could happen even if there’s a Republican primary in which Trump is the only name on the ballot. But I’m pretty sure most of the research/analysis I’ve seen on this point suggests that only a very small number of people actually do this sort of think. Not nearly enough to swing primaries.

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MsJ  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:51:20pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:52:02pm

re: #200 Sir John Barron

What’s Maggie complaining about?

To be clear, NOT the Maggie everyone takes so much joy in hating. Whole different Maggie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:52:03pm

just pathetic

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:54:01pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:54:19pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

just pathetic

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He’s trying to make himself feel better after getting pwned by Nancy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:58:14pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

just pathetic

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You have two SCOTUS judges, (you would only have one if Mitch hadn’t obstructed Garland for you) and your tax bill is a flop. The only thing historical about your presidency is how awful it is.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:58:27pm

re: #291 Blind Frog Belly White

To be clear, NOT the Maggie everyone takes so much joy in hating. Whole different Maggie.

Yes not Haberman.

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TedStriker  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:58:31pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

just pathetic

Government as done by a media-addicted crackhead.

*deity* help us…

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:59:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:59:31pm

re: #268 KGxvi

They’re not really cancelling the primary. They’re just saying they won’t endorse anyone who runs against Trump. And it’s not like the party can stop the individual states from accepting nomination papers from someone getting on the ballot.

Ah okay then yeah maybe this is just business as usual here.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:00:30pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

just pathetic

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He’s having a breakdown. The walls are closing in on him and tomorrow could be the coup de grace if the DNC succeed in invoking cloture on their “clean” CR. At that point, he will have no out, he’ll be left declaring before the nation that he would rather allow it to continue burning than accept defeat.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:01:06pm

re: #298 jaunte

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Okay, Ben, let’s play your game, how do you feel about Pinochet? how do you feel about Franco? AOC has never expressed support for Maduro you little fucker. But I get it you Ben Hyperbolic Verb, it makes you feel big and mighty to trash someone much more intelligent and insightful than your sorry ass will ever be.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:01:48pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Ben is burning up with jealousy over the press she gets.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:02:36pm

And yeah I get that “attacking” Ben for Franco and Pinochet is technically wrong since they’re not the same as conservatives in Ben’s sense but ACO isn’t Chavez or Maduro. She’s Olaf Palme.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:03:43pm

re: #302 jaunte

Ben is burning up with jealousy over the press she gets.

Because she’s actually accomplished something in her life. He’s a fucking loser who trolls college campuses and belittles people because he thinks he’s smart. He really isn’t. He’s an above average mind in the movement that gave the world Jim Hoft and Donald Trump.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:04:32pm

re: #298 jaunte

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Oops VB corrected me!

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:05:40pm

re: #305 Joe Bacon ??

I haven’t been paying any attention to him. Is his back hurt?

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TedStriker  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:06:04pm

re: #305 Joe Bacon ??

So Benjyboy was just faking it about his back??????

Thought that was Charlie Kirk with the thrown-out back that pitched a fit at Cedars-Sinai…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:06:16pm

re: #305 Joe Bacon ??

So Benjyboy was just faking it about his back??????

He was too busy destroying himself by pleasuring himself to his own writings again.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:06:33pm

re: #305 Joe Bacon ??

So Benjyboy was just faking it about his back??????

That was Charlie Kirk.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:06:40pm

“Venezeula” has become the byword for “socialism” and all the negative aspects of such in the wingnut lexicon, so it wasn’t that much of a stretch for them to start trying to wed AOC to Venezuela in people’s minds so as to say “See, what she’s proposing doesn’t work! While everything we’ve every proposed does because…because shut-up, it totally does!”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:06:47pm

re: #307 TedStriker

Thought that was Charlie Kirk…

Yeah sorry that was Charlie Kirk. Charlie is Ben if he actually believed the shit he writes rather than a cynical moron.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:07:12pm
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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:07:29pm

oops VB corrected me!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:07:39pm

re: #310 Targetpractice

“Venezeula” has become the byword for “socialism” and all the negative aspects of such in the wingnut lexicon, so it wasn’t that much of a stretch for them to start trying to wed AOC to Venezuela in people’s minds so as to say “See, what she’s proposing doesn’t work! While everything we’ve every proposed does because…because shut-up, it totally does!”

Meanwhile you have Trump who has actually praised Kim Jong Un and I don’t see Benny saying a damn thing. Ben Shapiro is a fraud and the sooner people see it, the sooner he can become irrelevant in the public eye like he deserves to be.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:07:42pm

re: #227 Joe Bacon ??

Isn’t this the wife of the guy who forced his mistresses to have abortions?

No, she’s an entirely different woman.

The guy you’re thinking of is named DesJarlais, not Desjardins.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:08:04pm

re: #309 The Vicious Babushka

That was Charlie Kirk.

Oops you right VB!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:08:36pm

re: #315 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

No, she’s an entirely different woman.

The guy you’re thinking of is named DesJarlais, not Desjardins.

D’oh, my mistake there.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:08:47pm

It’s easy to get the far-right self-obsessed dickheads mixed up.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:09:16pm

re: #310 Targetpractice

“Venezeula” has become the byword for “socialism” and all the negative aspects of such in the wingnut lexicon, so it wasn’t that much of a stretch for them to start trying to wed AOC to Venezuela in people’s minds so as to say “See, what she’s proposing doesn’t work! While everything we’ve every proposed does because…because shut-up, it totally does!”

Well it’s a good thing we haven’t nationalized the largest sector of our economy. And it’s also probably pretty good that we have a diversified economy that wouldn’t collapse just because the price of a single commodity drops. Then again, I’m also fairly certain that neither AOC nor anyone else has suggested we do those things.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:09:35pm

re: #310 Targetpractice

“Venezeula” has become the byword for “socialism” and all the negative aspects of such in the wingnut lexicon, so it wasn’t that much of a stretch for them to start trying to wed AOC to Venezuela in people’s minds so as to say “See, what she’s proposing doesn’t work! While everything we’ve every proposed does because…because shut-up, it totally does!”

Which would only make sense if AOC came out strongly in favor of corrupting the courts, supporting cronyism, and arming gangs of your political supporters to act as the loyal neighborhood watch.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:09:38pm

re: #305 Joe Bacon ??

Got them mixed up. Oops!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:09:46pm

re: #298 jaunte

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Ben Shapiro once again tries to claw his way to relevancy.

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TedStriker  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:10:24pm

re: #315 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

No, she’s an entirely different woman.

The guy you’re thinking of is named DesJarlais, not Desjardins.

Yes, Scott DesJarlais, an esteemed member of my state’s GOP congressional delegation.

*retches*

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:10:32pm

re: #319 KGxvi

Well it’s a good thing we haven’t nationalized the largest sector of our economy. And it’s also probably pretty good that we have a diversified economy that wouldn’t collapse just because the price of a single commodity drops. Then again, I’m also fairly certain that neither AOC nor anyone else has suggested we do those things.

AOC is a member of Dem Socialists of America, an organization that has been pretty good at calling out left wing and right wing totalitarians over the years. The group Ben’s thrown his collective lot isn’t that in. I can’t tell you how many people like him I encounter that defend Pinochet’s Chile because of its economics.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:11:30pm

re: #322 Blind Frog Belly White

Ben Shapiro once again tries to claw his way to relevancy.

He suffers from delusions of adequacy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:11:33pm

re: #321 Joe Bacon ??

Got them mixed up. Oops!

Easy enough to do Joe. They’re both smug right wing douchebags who get paid a lot of $$$$ to spread bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:12:25pm

re: #325 Targetpractice

He suffers from delusions of adequacy.

He really needs to “destroy” himself by deleting his Twitter account. I seriously do not get what so many people see out of him. He’s a whiny little fuck who acts like an old man yet also thinks he’s cool.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:13:37pm

What kind of loser gets his JD from Harvard and goes to work for Breitbart?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:13:43pm

re: #310 Targetpractice

“Venezeula” has become the byword for “socialism” and all the negative aspects of such in the wingnut lexicon, so it wasn’t that much of a stretch for them to start trying to wed AOC to Venezuela in people’s minds so as to say “See, what she’s proposing doesn’t work! While everything we’ve every proposed does because…because shut-up, it totally does!”

I THINK VENEZUELA IS A PERFECT MODEL OF A GOVERNMENT & ECONOMIC SYSTEM THAT WE SHOULD ADOPT said No Democrat Ever, but for some reason that’s all Conservatives like BS ever hear in their mind.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:14:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:14:23pm

re: #329 The Vicious Babushka

I THINK VENEZUELA IS A PERFECT MODEL OF A GOVERNMENT & ECONOMIC SYSTEM THAT WE SHOULD ADOPT said No Democrat Ever, but for some reason that’s all Conservatives like BS ever hear in their mind.

Most Democrats don’t even think Scandinavia should be our model. A lot think we could learn something but not that it should be our model.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:14:45pm

re: #330 jaunte

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A right wing circle jerk, Texas style.

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SpikeDad  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:15:06pm

Didn’t anyone watch “The West Wing”? The president is only admitted to the House if the Sargent at Arms gets permission from the Speaker in response to an invitation. That was the whole point of the episode - they didn’t realize they had to get an invitation by sending a request.

The Orange Dope would have to force his way past the Capital guards and the Sargent at Arms (who works for the Speaker of the House). I doubt his burger loaded heart could take that level of exertion.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:15:24pm

re: #332 HappyWarrior

It’s a pretty good indication that Fox News is not considered “press.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:15:25pm

I. Am. Ded. AOC pwns it again!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:17:07pm

re: #328 HappyWarrior

What kind of loser gets his JD from Harvard and goes to work for Breitbart?

It takes a very particular kind of loser.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:17:08pm

re: #335 The Vicious Babushka

I. Am. Ded. AOC pwns it again!

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That’s the thing these guys don’t get. A lot of her ideas have in fact worked in our country. In fact, during the era that the same smug old assholes that like to mock her grew up in and insist was the best time ever to be an American.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:18:09pm

re: #336 Blind Frog Belly White

It takes a very particular kind of loser.

I mean maybe I am being out of bounds by calling him one but I’ll be blunt, if Harvard knew he was going to waste their JD by being a right wing little professional bullshit artist, they should have given it to someone who actually argues in good faith.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:18:21pm

re: #335 The Vicious Babushka

The whole “Where has that ever worked?” thing reminds me of “What have the Romans ever done for us?”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:19:18pm

re: #334 jaunte

It’s a pretty good indication that Fox News is not considered “press.”

They are the American right’s Prada. I don’t doubt for a second that Murdoch and Ailes took notes on Communist and Nazi propaganda when constructing FNC.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:21:06pm

Socialism never works…………often argued by people whose economic system has an even worse track record and in fact is why people turn to Socialism as a solution in the first place.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:21:37pm

Dupes gallery.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:21:43pm

I’m not saying Socialism is the or always the answer here but rather that mixed economies have and still do work.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:23:49pm

re: #335 The Vicious Babushka

I. Am. Ded. AOC pwns it again!

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Well, the MIT guy is who really owned that one…but of course, that’s exactly where she gets it from.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:25:07pm

re: #344 Mike Lamb

Well, the MIT guy is who really owned that one…but of course, that’s exactly where she gets it from.

She did study economics after all. I know a guy who is eager to dismiss her and I feel I could be a real asshole by pointing out how much more education and studying of economics she has compared to him but that’s not a wormhole I want to go down.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:25:13pm

re: #343 HappyWarrior

Chavez was big on having his taxpayers build giant football stadiums. Think there was any skimming going on?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:25:50pm

re: #346 jaunte

Chavez was big on having his taxpayers build giant football stadiums. Think there was any skimming going on?

Oh I bet. Never been an admirer of his or Maduro.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:26:36pm

re: #347 HappyWarrior

He had a lot of traits in common with Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:27:15pm

re: #348 jaunte

He had a lot of traits in common with Trump.

Stalin and Trump have some stuff in common too.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:29:31pm

re: #345 HappyWarrior

She did study economics after all. I know a guy who is eager to dismiss her and I feel I could be a real asshole by pointing out how much more education and studying of economics she has compared to him but that’s not a wormhole I want to go down.

Micro economics is hard, macro economics is even harder. The truth is, we probably don’t really know what higher marginal and/or effective rates would do, until we impose them. But the problem isn’t so much the tax code (that’s a symptom, really), it’s the corporate governance culture we’ve allowed to grow in the last 40 years or so. Shareholder supremacy has fucked up the economy more than anything.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:30:00pm

Trump just saw the polls and is starting to understand he’s not gonna get his wall this way. Better to initiate years of wrangling in court and reopen the government, because The Wall is less important than being seen to be fighting for The Wall.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:31:26pm

Wow, I take a few hours break and Donny loses his goddam mind.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:32:07pm

re: #350 KGxvi

Micro economics is hard, macro economics is even harder. The truth is, we probably don’t really know what higher marginal and/or effective rates would do, until we impose them. But the problem isn’t so much the tax code (that’s a symptom, really), it’s the corporate governance culture we’ve allowed to grow in the last 40 years or so. Shareholder supremacy has fucked up the economy more than anything.

I agree. I just think dismissing the idea out of hand as prosperous is foolish. Agree about the culture too. Another problem IMO and this comes from my arbitrator family background but instead of being a neutral broker between management and labor, government has increasingly been on management’s side. AOC illustrated this when she pointed out that there were no labor leaders and only corporate leaders at her orientation. I’m not against having business leaders speak to Congresspeople obviously but labor leaders should be heard too.

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:36:38pm

re: #342 jaunte

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Dupes gallery.

I’m watching. They are all starting to point fingers at each other over Roger Stone. This is what slime does.

Michael Caputo is the slick scum of the group. He is trying to say Mueller is illegal in what he is doing and he is getting all of them to go against each other to bring down Trump.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:37:02pm

re: #352 Myron Falwell

Wow, I take a few hours break and Donny loses his goddam mind.

‘cannot spend what you ain’t got
can’t lose what you never had’

YouTube

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:39:09pm

re: #246 freetoken

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:40:04pm

re: #356 goddamnedfrank

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Yeah it doesn’t have to be in person.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:41:50pm

State of the Union:

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:42:09pm

re: #351 Blind Frog Belly White

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Trump just saw the polls and is starting to understand he’s not gonna get his wall this way. Better to initiate years of wrangling in court and reopen the government, because The Wall is less important than being seen to be fighting for The Wall.

This screams to me that they have more than enough votes for a veto override.

It may be highly unrealistic but I’d love it if his temper tantrum resulted in a near-unanimous rejection of his “deal” measure and the “clean” CR passes near-unanimously.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:43:07pm

re: #357 HappyWarrior

Yeah it doesn’t have to be in person.

Trumps ego can’t handle that. He wouldn’t go for a written SOTU. He needs to be in front of cameras somewhere.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:43:38pm

re: #360 Eclectic Cyborg

Trumps ego can’t handle that. He wouldn’t go for a written SOTU. He needs to be in front of cameras somewhere.

That’s why he’s losing it over Pelosi.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:46:01pm

re: #361 HappyWarrior

That’s why he’s losing it over Pelosi.

He may also be losing it over the possibility a public spectacle of his veto may be meaningless if they have way more that 67 votes.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:46:11pm

re: #342 jaunte

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:47:40pm

So is the worst case scenario that the clean CR passes, Trump vetoes and the GOP don’t have the fucking spine to override him on it?

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:50:25pm

re: #356 goddamnedfrank

“I never said that thing I 100% implied to be true” is one of my favorite wingnut tactical retreats.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:50:47pm

re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg

So is the worst case scenario that the clean CR passes, Trump vetoes and the GOP don’t have the fucking spine to override him on it?

That’s probably worst plausible case scenario. The “oh shit, what do we do now” truly worst case scenario is that after a veto override, Trump refuses to reopen the government by directing Department heads to not authorize payments.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:51:57pm

re: #366 KGxvi

That’s probably worst plausible case scenario. The “oh shit, what do we do now” truly worst case scenario is that after a veto override, Trump refuses to reopen the government by directing Department heads to not authorize payments.

Oh, my. That would start quite the shit storm.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:53:04pm

re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg

So is the worst case scenario that the clean CR passes, Trump vetoes and the GOP don’t have the fucking spine to override him on it?

That would be the worst case scenario, but it’s becoming more and more apparent that there’s enough in the GOP senate to end this once and for all.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:53:50pm

re: #365 goddamnedfrank

I saw an amazing one last night on twitter. Jacob Wahl has gone birther on Kamala Harris, claiming that since her parents weren’t citizens when she was born, she’s not a citizen… and then trying to pretend that her going to high school in Canada is also somehow disqualifying.

Some other idiot popped up trying to play the “well he said that’s what the rules are” and when I told him at Wohl was not only wrong but loud wrong, his response was “well, I supposed I’ll take your word for it”. I hadn’t even cited anything, just told him I was an attorney and had studied constitutional law in depth. I haven’t seen someone run away that bravely since Brave Sir Robin.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:54:11pm

re: #215 EPR-radar

There should be a pair of shriveled chickpeas in that vise.

With a mushroom between then.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:54:43pm

re: #365 goddamnedfrank

“I never said that thing I 100% implied to be true” is one of my favorite wingnut tactical retreats.

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Ahh yes the Angel Families who are aided by known bigots. I’m sorry that they lost their loved ones but the Angel Family tactic is no different than what was used to incite violence against Jews in Europe for centuries.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:56:34pm

re: #366 KGxvi

That’s probably worst plausible case scenario. The “oh shit, what do we do now” truly worst case scenario is that after a veto override, Trump refuses to reopen the government by directing Department heads to not authorize payments.

And when they all refuse to do something that stupid and dare Donny to fire them all?

He may be that bull-headed but they aren’t going to go down quietly. And that would be asking for the Democratic House to respond in kind with his budgets for the next appropriations.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:56:42pm

re: #369 KGxvi

I saw an amazing one last night on twitter. Jacob Wahl has gone birther on Kamala Harris, claiming that since her parents weren’t citizens when she was born, she’s not a citizen… and then trying to pretend that her going to high school in Canada is also somehow disqualifying.

Some other idiot popped up trying to play the “well he said that’s what the rules are” and when I told him at Wohl was not only wrong but loud wrong, his response was “well, I supposed I’ll take your word for it”. I hadn’t even cited anything, just told him I was an attorney and had studied constitutional law in depth. I haven’t seen someone run away that bravely since Brave Sir Robin.

I guess Wohl’s barista told him Kamala wasn’t eligible. Really not liking Birtherism 2.0 on Kamala.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:58:25pm

WHUT

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:59:20pm

Man, think of the splodey MAGA heads if the GOP overrides a Trump veto…

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rhuarc  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:59:46pm

re: #356 goddamnedfrank

She’s a lively one. I think we got under her skin a little bit. ;)

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:00:10pm

re: #372 Myron Falwell

And when they all refuse to do something that stupid and dare Donny to fire them all?

He may be that bull-headed but they aren’t going to go down quietly. And that would be asking for the Democratic House to respond in kind with his budgets for the next appropriations.

There’s a reason I said it’s an “oh shit, what do we do now” scenario. We could see a large scale Saturday Night Massacre where Trump does try to fire them all. We could see him firing them after they authorize payments. We would likely see the Impeachment Eagle soar. There’s a lot of ways that it could play out. And let’s be honest, Trump’s been a public figure for 40 years, in that time he’s never once shown himself to be calm, cool, dignified, or thoughtful… so it’d really all be on the table.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:00:48pm

re: #374 The Vicious Babushka

WHUT

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It flowed much better in Russian.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:00:49pm

Weird, the karma numbers in this thread become italicized after comment 321.

Also, apparently I have nothing better to do than notice shit like that.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:01:25pm

Beginning to think McConnell scheduled the two votes for tomorrow simply so that the Senate GOP can say “We tried” on getting the wall funding, before proceeding to reopen the gov’t on a veto-proof majority vote.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:01:36pm

re: #379 goddamnedfrank

Weird, the karma numbers in this thread become italicized after comment 321.

Also, apparently I have nothing better to do than notice shit like that.

They went back to normal after 361

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:02:24pm

re: #374 The Vicious Babushka

WHUT

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Remember when you told doctors to stick in their lane. Maybe you should take the same lesson here, gunhumper. BTW you ain’t going ot have nothing ot shoot at if climate change keeps on happening but go on cry about AOC wanting tax rates that existed in fact during a time when a higher percentage of Americans owned guns.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:02:55pm

re: #376 rhuarc

She’s a lively one. I think we got under her skin a little bit. ;)

Well we know the NRA is afraid of minority women especially.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:03:03pm

re: #360 Eclectic Cyborg

Trumps ego can’t handle that. He wouldn’t go for a written SOTU. He needs to be in front of cameras somewhere.

Speaker Pelosi should send him a box of crayons to write it with.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:03:53pm

re: #384 Blind Frog Belly White

Speaker Pelosi should send him a box of crayons to write it with.

She should send some diapers for good measure too in case he goes poopy when Mulvaney and Miller are writing it.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:04:30pm

re: #380 Targetpractice

Beginning to think McConnell scheduled the two votes for tomorrow simply so that the Senate GOP can say “We tried” on getting the wall funding, before proceeding to reopen the gov’t on a veto-proof majority vote.

It’s McConnell’s “exit, stage left right” moment.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:04:40pm

re: #373 HappyWarrior

I guess Wohl’s barista told him Kamala wasn’t eligible. Really not liking Birtherism 2.0 on Kamala.

He’s recirculating the old and defeated argument that because her parents weren’t citizens they didn’t owe an allegiance to the US, and thus by some strange transitive power, neither did Kamala Harris at the time of her birth. My law school con law professor is one of the proponents of this idea and even at my most libertarian I’ve thought it a dumb idea. I’ve also come to learn that a lot of the argument is based on a deliberate misquote of Senator Turnbull during the debate on the 14th Amendment.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:04:42pm

re: #246 freetoken

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And no one has “cancelled” anything. tRump was asked to “postpone” until the government was reopened. And there is nothing said in constitution about it happening on any specific day, like the first Tuesday following the first Monday in November or anything.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:06:19pm

re: #352 Myron Falwell

Wow, I take a few hours break and Donny loses his goddam mind.

No worries. It’s so sick it couldn’t have gotten very far.

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EPR-radar  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:06:21pm

re: #373 HappyWarrior

I guess Wohl’s barista told him Kamala wasn’t eligible. Really not liking Birtherism 2.0 on Kamala.

Birtherism v 1.0 against Obama was fucked up fucking shit fucksplatted out by fucking morons.

Two things are true. 1) It is logically impossible for any future version of birtherism to be more fucked up than the original. 2) Nevertheless, addlepated right wing fucksplats and cockknobs will find a way.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:07:30pm

re: #382 HappyWarrior

Remember when you told doctors to stick in their lane. Maybe you should take the same lesson here, gunhumper. BTW you ain’t going ot have nothing ot shoot at if climate change keeps on happening but go on cry about AOC wanting tax rates that existed in fact during a time when a higher percentage of Americans owned guns.

I’ve seen enough dystopian science fiction over the years to know that they’ll try to legalize hunting people… “we’ll start with criminals - murders, drug dealers, politicians - if they can survive for 48 hours, they win their freedom” then they’ll move on to the poors.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:07:57pm

Build a stall, the deuce will fall.

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Jack Burton  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:08:09pm

re: #373 HappyWarrior

I guess Wohl’s barista told him Kamala wasn’t eligible. Really not liking Birtherism 2.0 on Kamala.

Still less annoying than the BernieBros targeting her for character assassination. Anyone believing Birther bullshit is someone that wouldn’t ever vote for her regardless.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:08:19pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:08:27pm

re: #384 Blind Frog Belly White

Speaker Pelosi should send him a box of crayons to write it with.

Trump’s preferred writing implement is likely his own ca-ca, on those rare occasions where his diet makes it stiff enough for that purpose.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:08:58pm

re: #373 HappyWarrior

I guess Wohl’s barista told him Kamala wasn’t eligible. Really not liking Birtherism 2.0 on Kamala.

“Whisperings overheard at hipster coffee shop in LA - they can’t decide who’s worse: Jacob Wohl for using the ‘hipster coffee shop’ thing so many times, or his Twitter followers for continuing to take him seriously.”

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:09:33pm

re: #298 jaunte

He must be a socialist, and she’s a Democratic socialist who obviously must speak for all socialists.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:09:47pm

re: #395 EPR-radar

Trump’s preferred writing implement is likely his own ca-ca, on those rare occasions where his diet makes it stiff enough for that purpose.

Brings a whole new meaning to “Number 2 Pencil”, don’t it?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:12:13pm

re: #342 jaunte

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Dupes gallery.

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EPR-radar  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:12:35pm

re: #387 KGxvi

He’s recirculating the old and defeated argument that because her parents weren’t citizens they didn’t owe an allegiance to the US, and thus by some strange transitive power, neither did Kamala Harris at the time of her birth. My law school con law professor is one of the proponents of this idea and even at my most libertarian I’ve thought it a dumb idea. I’ve also come to learn that a lot of the argument is based on a deliberate misquote of Senator Turnbull during the debate on the 14th Amendment.

That’s idiotic, even for a birther argument. Among other things, it would have made the 14th amendment fail in its original purpose of granting citizenship to freed slaves, since slave parents who were property at the time of the birth of a slave child can hardly have been viewed as having any ‘allegiance’ to the US.

One does not inquire as to the national allegiance of horses, furniture, or US antebellum slaves. It’s a gross category error.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:12:36pm

re: #381 KGxvi

They went back to normal after 361

For me they go back after 374. I think if we reload the page they’ll go back after anything that loads after the last comment at the time of reload.

Obviously just more proof that QANON is real.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:12:55pm

re: #374 The Vicious Babushka

Someone in the NRA kvetches about someone unable to reason?

We’re talking about people whose firearm fetish is the only part of their brain still functioning. Their cognitive dissonance is so bad they have trouble with doors labelled ‘Push’.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:14:26pm

re: #389 Romantic Heretic

No worries. It’s so sick it couldn’t have gotten very far.

True true lol

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:14:38pm

re: #380 Targetpractice

There is no reason for me to believe that McConnell has anything in mind other than to save his own skin.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:14:42pm

re: #384 Blind Frog Belly White

Speaker Pelosi should send him a box of crayons to write it with.

Nah. He keeps eating those.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:15:18pm

re: #400 EPR-radar

That’s idiotic, even for a birther argument. Among other things, it would have made the 14th amendment fail in its original purpose of granting citizenship to freed slaves, since slave parents who were property at the time of the birth of a slave child can hardly have been viewed as having any ‘allegiance’ to the US.

One does not inquire as to the national allegiance of horses, furniture, or US antebellum slaves. It’s a gross category error.

It also goes against the ruling in US v Wong Kim Ark, wherein the Court pointed out that birthright citizenship was the common understanding since the founding, even if not codified.

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EPR-radar  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:15:19pm

re: #405 Romantic Heretic

Nah. He keeps eating those.

President Paste-Eater has a certain ring to it.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:16:36pm

re: #407 EPR-radar

President Paste-Eater has a certain ring to it.

He makes Ralph Wiggum look statesmanlike.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:17:41pm

re: #394 Single-handed sailor

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gee…one wonders if the Secret Service renting an apartment in the Trump Tower is part of this…

or any other Trump properties renting to federal agencies…

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EPR-radar  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:17:54pm

re: #408 Myron Falwell

He makes Ralph Wiggum look statesmanlike.

Hell, Trump makes squirming worm-infested shit piles from heavily parasitized livestock look presidential.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:23:00pm

Man, and I thought I was bored.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:23:07pm

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth

gee…one wonders if the Secret Service renting an apartment in the Trump Tower is part of this…

or any other Trump properties renting to federal agencies…

There’s a lot of federal offices that are renting space in privately owned buildings. One that I know off the top of my head is the TSA in downtown Long Beach - they’ve got a couple of floors at a building known as the World Trade Center.

And that then makes me wonder if you could bring an eviction action against the federal government in state court.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:24:54pm

re: #411 goddamnedfrank

Man, and I thought I was bored.

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I’d say those idiots are dumb enough to go through the whole thing and leave somebody else’s kidney, so you could indeed wake up with a missing kidney.

Just, not yours.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:26:12pm

re: #411 goddamnedfrank

They look like they’re pitching a terrible remake of Reservoir Dogs with the three of them as the leads.

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retired cynic  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:26:26pm

re: #279 steve_davis

completely OT, but I just had some of the Green Giant baby brussel sprouts, lightly sauced. Took a chance. Those may be the first edible brussel sprouts I’ve ever had. Soft. Just a little bit of flavor from the sauce. Not bitter sprouts. Maybe brussel sprouts are like pigs: they don’t get gamey until they hit puberty.

Brussels sprouts need to be cooked in chicken stock, and the bitter goes away.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:26:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:27:20pm

re: #412 KGxvi

There’s a lot of federal offices that are renting space in privately owned buildings. One that I know off the top of my head is the TSA in downtown Long Beach - they’ve got a couple of floors at a building known as the World Trade Center.

And that then makes me wonder if you could bring an eviction action against the federal government in state court.

our local FSA office is a small rental space in a very small (four-unit) privately owned strip mall.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:27:30pm

I am in a cookie baking mood. Suggestions?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:28:21pm

re: #418 The Vicious Babushka

I am in a cookie baking mood. Suggestions?

Butterscotch chip.

[Ducks.]

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:28:27pm

About an hour until our area gets the crap weather full of Yankee chill and Gulf moisture. Radars look much like Wetumpka a couple days ago. (Our crack GOP Rep told her Wetumpka storm victims to call 211. She’s not good at this representn’ and in Alabama she doesn’t have to be.)

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:28:58pm

re: #418 The Vicious Babushka

I am in a cookie baking mood. Suggestions?

Oatmeal Chocolate Chip!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:29:07pm

re: #419 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Butterscotch chip.

[Ducks.]

OOH

On it!

BIAB

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William Lewis  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:29:53pm

re: #418 The Vicious Babushka

I am in a cookie baking mood. Suggestions?

I’d love some fruit strudel. Apple or cherry would be nice … :D

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:30:16pm

re: #415 retired cynic

Brussels sprouts need to be cooked in chicken stock, and the bitter goes away.

Roasted in olive oil, with potatoes and carrots… bacon also helps.

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MsJ  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:30:37pm

re: #351 Blind Frog Belly White

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Trump just saw the polls and is starting to understand he’s not gonna get his wall this way. Better to initiate years of wrangling in court and reopen the government, because The Wall is less important than being seen to be fighting for The Wall.

He can executive order all he wants. Funding originates in the house.

How fungible are funds? That I don’t know?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:30:49pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

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re: #27 Belafon

The answer is the two people in charge of Congress in 2016, McConnell and Ryan.

It goes beyond those two.

The system is so flawed that the primary system for one political party could be hijacked by a ego-driven celebrity famous for being famous.

The system is so flawed the the “fourth estate,” the so-called mainstream media, hyped up a long-shot challenger to the presumptive nominee for the other party long after it was obvious he wasn’t going to win, then, hyped up a non-existent “scandal” with emails that was the latest in a litany of demonization of said nominee because of who she was.

The system is so flawed when of a bullshit method for funding campaigns allowed foreign governments and companies to intervene and commit acts of sabotage for one nominee, and almost entirely shrugging it off… but when the non-existent “scandal” was drummed up by the FBI director, THAT was front page everywhere.

The system is so flawed when one candidate wins the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes but didn’t win *the right* states in a system that was antiquated in the early 1900s.

The system is so flawed when one party is poisoned with a combination of power lust and foreign influence that they didn’t bother to look at the obvious with their “president” because he’d pick federal judges intent on overturning Roe vs. Wade.

And so on.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:30:51pm

re: #422 The Vicious Babushka

OOH

On it!

BIAB

I inherited a weakness for butterscotch from my dad. My mom makes butterscotch fudge at Christmas and butterscotch chip cookies at other times. Dad and I fight over them sometimes.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:30:57pm

re: #418 The Vicious Babushka

I am in a cookie baking mood. Suggestions?

USPS standardized mailers are quite inexpensive.

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William Lewis  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:32:22pm

re: #423 William Lewis

I’d love some fruit strudel. Apple or cherry would be nice … :D

Oh, cookie. Missed that. I wonder … a bit of chocolate chip style (w/out chips) cookie dough with a small depression for apple or cherry filling? Perhaps served with a whipped cream topping?

(makes notes to self to buy stuff for this next big grocery trip.)

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:32:52pm

re: #425 MsJ

He can executive order all he wants. Funding originates in the house.

How fungible are funds? That I don’t know?

Depends on the original appropriation language and agency practice. There are “fences”.

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William Lewis  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:34:42pm

re: #430 Decatur Deb

Depends on the original appropriation language and agency practice. There are “fences”.

Comic Rimshot!

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:38:09pm

re: #431 William Lewis

Not joking that time. DoD money could move around a good bit, unless Congress had fenced it for a distinct purpose. Then the HQ or local commanders were just SOL. It was always a battle to protect the fence around training ammo.

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MsJ  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:39:28pm

If she died tomorrow I wouldn’t mourn.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:41:38pm
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William Lewis  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:42:17pm

re: #432 Decatur Deb

Not joking that time. DoD money could move around a good bit, unless Congress had fenced it for a distinct purpose. Then the HQ or local commanders were just SOL. It was always a battle to protect the fence around training ammo.

Oh. I thought you were talking about them “fencing” goods stolen from the public. I get what you mean now - especially the issues regarding ammo & training. Fiscal year end “oops got too much left use it up” problems too.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:44:19pm

re: #408 Myron Falwell

He makes Ralph Wiggum look statesmanlike.

Lord Dampnut hasn’t pissed himself in public.

Yet.

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retired cynic  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:49:41pm

re: #424 KGxvi

I just cook ‘em in chicken bouillon or stock, and eat ‘em like candy. Yum!

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rhuarc  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:49:42pm

re: #424 KGxvi

Roasted in olive oil, with potatoes and carrots… bacon also helps.

This is my favorite. Kind of similar to your recipe.

cookingcontestcentral.com

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:53:14pm

re: #433 MsJ

that bit about “why are you still saying wall” is incredibly telling. it’s an admission that they know “wall” is bad branding and isn’t polling well. they must have something that polls (slightly) better… but they can’t keep Trump on the new branding.

otherwise, that’s just an amazing amount of worthless spin that puts her right back where she started.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:55:30pm

re: #439 KGxvi

that bit about “why are you still saying wall” is incredibly telling. it’s an admission that they know “wall” is bad branding and isn’t polling well. they must have something that polls (slightly) better… but they can’t keep Trump on the new branding.

otherwise, that’s just an amazing amount of worthless spin that puts her right back where she started.

I suspect they’ve told Trump that ‘Wall’ does badly in focus groups, but ‘barrier’ not so bad. But then Trump can’t help going back to ‘Wall’, because he’s a simpleton and, honestly ‘wall’ is a stronger word than ‘barrier’.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:55:56pm

re: #439 KGxvi

that bit about “why are you still saying wall” is incredibly telling. it’s an admission that they know “wall” is bad branding and isn’t polling well. they must have something that polls (slightly) better… but they can’t keep Trump on the new branding.

otherwise, that’s just an amazing amount of worthless spin that puts her right back where she started.

“Build a slat ‘cause your mama’s fat” tested horribly in the focus groups.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:56:01pm

re: #439 KGxvi

that bit about “why are you still saying wall” is incredibly telling. it’s an admission that they know “wall” is bad branding and isn’t polling well. they must have something that polls (slightly) better… but they can’t keep Trump on the new branding.

otherwise, that’s just an amazing amount of worthless spin that puts her right back where she started.

Trump is impervious to facts or logic or spin or anything that doesn’t conform to his addled worldview. He’s determined to call it a wall, and no matter how much his inner circle tries to change the tune, Trump always goes back to the same awful notes.

It’s a wall. Same as always.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:56:53pm

re: #440 Blind Frog Belly White

I suspect they’ve told Trump that ‘Wall’ does badly in focus groups, but ‘barrier’ not so bad. But then Trump can’t help going back to ‘Wall’, because he’s a simpleton and, honestly ‘wall’ is a stronger word than ‘barrier’.

Had Trump’s last name been Phrump, he would have changed it.

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fern01  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:58:14pm

So I’m late to the thread - but that picture up top is so fuggly - it encapsulated my current mood.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:58:42pm

lol, looks like Gorka will pass Client #3 as the first AM talk radio host to come under investigation

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EPR-radar  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:59:59pm

re: #442 lawhawk

Trump is impervious to facts or logic or spin or anything that doesn’t conform to his addled worldview. He’s determined to call it a wall, and no matter how much his inner circle tries to change the tune, Trump always goes back to the same awful notes.

It’s a wall. Same as always.

And his base loves him for it. They are stupid, vicious, racist morons, and they finally have one of their own in the White House.

Of course the GOP has no problems with Republicans being stupid, vicious, racist morons.

The only reason Trump’s handlers try to keep this shit on something resembling dog-whistle level is that they are petrified of losing the 90+% pro-GOP tilt the mainstream media gives to their worthless party.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:01:43pm

I tried to play fancy by running a bluff on Nancy.

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Semper Fi  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:01:44pm

re: #418 The Vicious Babushka

I am in a cookie baking mood. Suggestions?

Oatmeal cookies with chopped walnuts, raisins and/or dried cranberries. Go light on the sugar and by all means make them crispy/crunchy. Absolutely no chocolate.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:01:45pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:01:47pm

re: #439 KGxvi

that bit about “why are you still saying wall” is incredibly telling. it’s an admission that they know “wall” is bad branding and isn’t polling well. they must have something that polls (slightly) better… but they can’t keep Trump on the new branding.

otherwise, that’s just an amazing amount of worthless spin that puts her right back where she started.

I bet it is much simpler.

Trump knows the Democrats don’t want a wall. They have mentioned ongoing repairs to the fence. So Democrats must like a fence. Fence is cheaper too. And the biggie…Trump has backed down on a wall. He is now fairly negotiating for a fence. Therefore Trump is a great negotiator/dealer. He’s making concessions and the Democrats are still bulking,

Add them all up and Trump thinks he can sell a fence/barrier and Democrats won’t negotiate.

Kellyanne is always there to smokescreen and make everything sound 100% okay and the media likes to twist things.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:03:06pm

re: #439 KGxvi

otherwise, that’s just an amazing amount of worthless spin that puts her right back where she started.

This is pretty much how they’ve all operated during this shutdown. Terrible spin that puts them back at the starting line.

It’s almost as if Kellyanne is intentionally trying to be this bad at her job, but she’s been more than loyal enough to kiss his brass ring, so whatevs.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:03:54pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:04:18pm

re: #452 Single-handed sailor

What the fuck are we getting into?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:06:17pm

Watching our weather radar is like watching a train with your boot stuck in the rail.

wunderground.com

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:06:17pm

re: #453 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

What the fuck are we getting into?

War.

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plansbandc  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:06:39pm

re: #453 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

A wag the dog war.

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William Lewis  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:06:45pm

re: #453 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

What the fuck are we getting into?

Wag the Dog. He’s been wanting to start a war down there since day one as a way to help his dictitorial ambitions and Maduro’s the kind to play into his hand.

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Interesting Times  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:07:45pm

re: #457 William Lewis

Wag the Dog. He’s been wanting to start a war down there since day one as a way to help his dictitorial ambitions and Maduro’s the kind to play into his hand.

What are the logistics of starting a war in the middle of a gov shutdown?

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:07:45pm

re: #411 goddamnedfrank

Man, and I thought I was bored.

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Wake up with a kidney missing. (Yaaawn. )

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:07:56pm

re: #457 William Lewis

Wag the Dog. He’s been wanting to start a war down there since day one as a way to help his dictitorial ambitions and Maduro’s the kind to play into his hand.

I gathered that. I guess what I’m wondering is whether there’s a legit beef with Maduro or if Trump is literally just getting us involved in a war because John “Nuke ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out” Bolton told him to.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:08:11pm

re: #450 ObserverArt

True, but it may be Kellyanne and the remainder of his inner circle doing this on his behalf ATM. Trump’s clearly too fixated right now on Pelosi humiliating him twice in one week over the SOTU.

If he backs down on the wall, even via a rephrasing, the reaction from the MAGAts and Ann Coulter will be delicious.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:08:27pm

re: #458 Interesting Times

Logistics? We don’t need no stinkin’ logistics.

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Interesting Times  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:09:07pm

re: #460 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I gathered that. I guess what I’m wondering is whether there’s a legit beef with Maduro or if Trump is literally just getting us involved in a war because John “Nuke ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out” Bolton told him to.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:09:11pm

Before 2016 the Firesign Theater line “the President of these United States is named ‘Schicklgruber’!” could have had the name Schicklgruber replaced by Trump and gotten the same laughs. It just seems like some colossal joke. But it’s not. Damn it. It’s so hard to see this travesty play out before our eyes.

It will get better. I truly believe it. Now off to walk the dog in the New Hampshire winter rain. Wait, what? A day ago global warming was a myth because it was -2F. Now it’s 40F.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:09:13pm
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Chrysicat  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:09:22pm
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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:09:26pm

re: #418 The Vicious Babushka

I am in a cookie baking mood. Suggestions?

Mom loved to make the peanut butter cookies with a Hershey’s kiss in the center!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:10:21pm

re: #459 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Wake up with a kidney missing. (Yaaawn. )

I used to wake up on special occasions with extra kidneys.

Stewed. With shallots, mushrooms, and sherry.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:10:45pm

re: #458 Interesting Times

What are the logistics of starting a war in the middle of a gov shutdown?

I betcha everyone with frayed nerves at the State Department are thrilled with this.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:12:30pm

re: #452 Single-handed sailor

Jesus, they’re asking for another Iran hostage crisis.

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Jay C  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:14:14pm

re: #469 Myron Falwell

I betcha everyone with frayed nerves at the State Department are thrilled with this.

IS there anyone left at State?
“Nerves” notwithstanding?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:15:25pm

I may be wrong, but I don’t see Trump wanting to get into an actual war. He seems more the sort to bluff and bluster, and then wimp out.

Bolton, now - that MFer has been wanting a war with someone for years now. Only I think he wants it in the ME, not South America.

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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:15:56pm

re: #470 Myron Falwell

Jesus, they’re asking for another Iran hostage crisis.

Only this time it starts with a scary Republican in the White House.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:16:12pm

re: #472 Blind Frog Belly White

Bolton wants to light Iran on fire.

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Chrysicat  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:18:29pm

re: #474 Ace Rothstein

Whereas I don’t see Trump as a coward, per se, but I do see him as not wanting to have enemy forces firing at Americans on foreign soil.

So he’ll just effing nuke Caracas instead if Venezuela doesn’t fold. Ever so much better (I wish I recalled how to sarc-tag).

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:18:31pm

re: #471 Jay C

IS there anyone left at State?
“Nerves” notwithstanding?

Good News: We actually have an appointed SoS incumbent.
Bad News: He’s hungry for the End Times.

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TedStriker  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:20:00pm

re: #460 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I gathered that. I guess what I’m wondering is whether there’s a legit beef with Maduro or if Trump is literally just getting us involved in a war because John “Nuke ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out” Bolton told him to.

Bolton probably told Trump to start some shit with Venezuela to “secure” their oil.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:21:23pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:22:23pm

re: #472 Blind Frog Belly White

I may be wrong, but I don’t see Trump wanting to get into an actual war. He seems more the sort to bluff and bluster, and then wimp out.

Bolton, now - that MFer has been wanting a war with someone for years now. Only I think he wants it in the ME, not South America.

Venezuela is a member of OPEC last I checked. Just like Iran.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:23:41pm

re: #473 wrenchwench

Only this time it starts with a scary Republican in the White House.

What’s even scarier is that Maduro could conceivably play Trump like a goddam fiddle.

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fern01  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:24:40pm

re: #109 jaunte

Trump doesn’t care about the safety of anyone who “works for him”, so he’ll tell them to stay.

And that is so true - another group he can use to blackmail the democrats in congress.

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steve_davis  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:25:20pm

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

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it’s weird to realize she has hands that are probably twice Trump’s size.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:28:17pm
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William Lewis  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:29:09pm

re: #458 Interesting Times

What are the logistics of starting a war in the middle of a gov shutdown?

Near impossible - especially since the shitbird isn’t paying the troops. It’s almost like he wants the 82nd to mutiny.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:29:49pm

re: #478 Charles Johnson

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Trump should have to correctly spell any country he wants to jack with.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:30:34pm

re: #439 KGxvi

that bit about “why are you still saying wall” is incredibly telling. it’s an admission that they know “wall” is bad branding and isn’t polling well. they must have something that polls (slightly) better… but they can’t keep Trump on the new branding.

otherwise, that’s just an amazing amount of worthless spin that puts her right back where she started.

It’s amazing to me that it no longer matters to her that she is being called out as a liar TO HER FACE ON CAMERA.

Truth means nothing to these people anymore.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:32:14pm

re: #484 William Lewis

Near impossible - especially since the shitbird isn’t paying the troops. It’s almost like he wants the 82nd to mutiny.

Or he’s doing this being totally ignorant of that possibility. It’s all about him, to hell if his underlings don’t like him and don’t want to do this.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:33:45pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:33:53pm

re: #486 Backwoods_Sleuth

Truth means nothing to these people anymore.

There’s no profit in Truth. Unless you get to define it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:35:16pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:35:31pm

re: #484 William Lewis

Near impossible - especially since the shitbird isn’t paying the troops. It’s almost like he wants the 82nd to mutiny.

Doesn’t he need Congressional approval if he wants to go start a war? I doubt they are going to give him any.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:37:00pm

re: #490 The Vicious Babushka

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If you leave a few outside then I won’t have to break a window.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:38:23pm

Trump would easily be the first CiC to go into a war just to shore up his 25-30% red meat base and practically no one else.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:38:38pm

re: #460 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I gathered that. I guess what I’m wondering is whether there’s a legit beef with Maduro or if Trump is literally just getting us involved in a war because John “Nuke ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out” Bolton told him to.

How’s Trump going to destroy the US military for Putin if they don’t fight anyone.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:38:57pm
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ckkatz  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:41:09pm

I suspect that Trump is planning to get us into a war.

It is basically the last thing he has to distract from all the distractions he has created to distract us from the previous distractions.

The problem is that he needs to do this and finish it successfully just before the 2020 elections. The goal is to use that as a way to get re-elected. Just as Bush jr did with Iraq. And that his father did not do in the First Gulf War. So the timing may yet be a little early.

When Trump started, I was assuming North Korea or Iran. He has effectively removed North Korea. And it looks like he is realizing how difficult Iran would be.

So, like a bully, he is looking for a weaker and easier target. Venezuela fits the bill.

While I have little sympathy for the Venezuelan kleptocracy, I do feel bad for their citizenry. And even more sympathy for the US troops who would be sent into harms way for a political stunt. They joined up to protect this country and Constitution, not die for Trump’s re-election.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:41:28pm

re: #484 William Lewis

Near impossible - especially since the shitbird isn’t paying the troops. It’s almost like he wants the 82nd to mutiny.

The Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force are fully funded. And, all service members of those branches are getting paid

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:41:33pm

Actually, I don’t think Trump will do much other than make noise.

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William Lewis  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:42:53pm

re: #491 ObserverArt

Doesn’t he need Congressional approval if he wants to go start a war? I doubt they are going to give him any.

The constitutional abomination of the War Powers Act gives him 60 days free reign.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:44:06pm

re: #491 ObserverArt

Doesn’t he need Congressional approval if he wants to go start a war? I doubt they are going to give him any.

I’ve got an idea! He can farm this job out to Bolsonaro. Mr. B says he admires Trump and wants better relations with the US. What better way to earn RWNJ cred than to do some dirty work that Cheeto can’t manage himself. It wouldn’t be the first time.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:44:27pm

re: #484 William Lewis

Near impossible - especially since the shitbird isn’t paying the troops. It’s almost like he wants the 82nd to mutiny.

The military are getting paid, funny how they funded them just fine and separately before this other stuff started.

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:44:35pm

re: #499 William Lewis

The constitutional abomination of the War Powers Act gives him 60 days free reign.

Yeah, just dug that up at Wiki.

The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without a Congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of each of the House and Senate, overriding the veto of the bill from President Nixon.

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Semper Fi  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:45:27pm

re: #495 Charles Johnson

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I’m thinking, soon, because I think he really gets off on the Introduction: “The President of the United States.”
I’m really bad…I know.

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TedStriker  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:46:18pm

re: #497 FormerDirtDart ????

The Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force are fully funded. And, all service members of those branches are getting paid

While the Coast Guard, traditionally the fifth branch of the US military, is idle and her members go unpaid because it is a civilian agency in peacetime, once under the Department of Commerce until it was stuffed into the gaping maw of DHS after 9/11.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:46:44pm

re: #496 ckkatz

Trump couldn’t sell his own wall after years of hype and a month-long shitdown.

Even if he tried, he won’t be able to sell a war, much more or less a regime change. Because he’s not capable of winning people over, just insulting and con aristry.

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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:47:09pm

re: #500 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’ve got an idea! He can farm this job out to Bolsonaro. Mr. B says he admires Trump and wants better relations with the US. What better way to earn RWNJ cred than to do some dirty work that Cheeto can’t manage himself. It wouldn’t be the first time.

He’s already got Chapo in NYC. I think he’s in some kind of interview process…

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:47:32pm

re: #499 William Lewis

The constitutional abomination of the War Powers Act gives him 60 days free reign.

Which was created to keep us from ending up in another Korean or Vietnam war.

The War Powers Resolution (also known as the War Powers Resolution of 1973 or the War Powers Act) (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548)[1] is a federal law intended to check the president’s power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of the U.S. Congress. The Resolution was adopted in the form of a United States Congress joint resolution. It provides that the U.S. President can send U.S. Armed Forces into action abroad only by declaration of war by Congress, “statutory authorization,” or in case of “a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.”

The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without a Congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of each of the House and Senate, overriding the veto of the bill from President Nixon.

It has been alleged that the War Powers Resolution has been violated in the past - for example, by President Bill Clinton in 1999, during the bombing campaign in Kosovo. Congress has disapproved all such incidents, but none has resulted in any successful legal actions being taken against the president for alleged violations.[2]

en.wikipedia.org

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:48:35pm

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William Lewis  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:48:59pm

re: #497 FormerDirtDart ????

The Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force are fully funded. And, all service members of those branches are getting paid

Must have misread the articles on the USCG then and extrapolated to the rest of the military. My mistake. I’ll plead that I found it highly believable given the Mango Moron.

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fern01  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:49:19pm

re: #219 Belafon

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Yeah, blotch.

He attacks women - speaks of them in ways he would never speak of men - why doesn’t the media reiterate this over and over - like they did when he attacked Hillary Clinton in a similar fashion. (Well yes, I know they didn’t)

Wonder what they media will find to replace but her emails when speaking of Nancy Pelosi.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:52:00pm

re: #510 fern01

He attacks women - speaks of them in ways he would never speak of men - why doesn’t the media reiterate this over and over - like they did when he attacked Hillary Clinton in a similar fashion. (Well yes, I know they didn’t)

Wonder what they media will find to replace but her emails when speaking of Nancy Pelosi.

I think they may be scared of her now as well. “Dems in disarray” has failed because the General has kept her troops in line, and had enough gravitas left over to loan some to Schumer. I don’t think they know what to do.

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FormerDirtDart ????  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:52:25pm

re: #504 TedStriker

While the Coast Guard, traditionally the fifth branch of the US military, is idle and her members go unpaid because it is a civilian agency in peacetime, once under the Department of Commerce until it was stuffed into the gaping maw of DHS after 9/11.

Prior to the establishment of the DHS the USCG was under the control of the Dept. of Transportation, since the late ’60s. Prior to that it was within the Dept. of Treasury, from it’s inception in the early 1900s

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:54:31pm

This lying bag of pustulent dicks==>

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:57:05pm

re: #514 The Vicious Babushka

This lying bag of pustulent dicks==>

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:59:36pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:00:17pm
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A Mom Anon  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:01:02pm

re: #490 The Vicious Babushka

I love you. That is all.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:03:27pm

re: #517 Charles Johnson

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Would have loved to see him take on the brats who whine about SJWs and virtue signaling.

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ckkatz  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:03:48pm

re: #505 Myron Falwell

Trump couldn’t sell his own wall after years of hype and a month-long shitdown.

Even if he tried, he won’t be able to sell a war, much more or less a regime change. Because he’s not capable of winning people over, just insulting and con aristry.

Very true.

I very much agree that he sucks. In business. In leadership. In just being human.

Trump has enough psychological problems that he and his administration are incompetent. Which does not bode well for any military adventures.

Unfortunately, I do not know that there is anyway to stop him from getting us into a war in the short term.

The big problem is that if the military adventure is timed right, and sized correctly, its obvious faults and failures will not become apparent until after the 2020 election.

Interesting parallel is that when the Civil War started, it was sold, in the South, as defending your home against the invading hordes from the North. And a lot of patriotic Southerners joined up for that reason.

After about a year, some started to see through it. Large numbers of Confederates were awol during the Antietam Campaign. But it took about 2 years before most saw through the lies. At which point, large numbers started walking away. By the fall of 1864, Jefferson Davis the Confederate President noted that more Confederate soldiers had deserted than were present.

“It is not proper for me to speak of the number of men in the field. But this I will say, that two-thirds of our men are absent - some sick, some wounded, but most of them absent without leave.”
J. Davis Sept 1864

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EPR-radar  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:05:13pm

re: #507 Belafon

We’ve had the imperial US presidency so long that I’m starting to see foolish chatter elsewhere on the internet about FDR having had absolute power to declare or not declare war (in the context of variously stupid Pearl Harbor conspiraderp).

I’m like, hello there, the power to declare war is with Congress, and no power on earth could have stopped a US declaration of war on Japan after Pearl Harbor.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:05:40pm

Wind and heavy rain in our town (45 mph). Communities N and S of us have had 74 and 79 in gusts. Much of that is the area plowed by Hurricane Michael and not yet restored.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:07:23pm

re: #522 Decatur Deb

And this is the stuff that is headed to Philly. Yuck.

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:08:51pm

re: #522 Decatur Deb

Wind and heavy rain in our town (45 mph). Communities N and S of us have had 74 and 79 in gusts. Much of that is the area plowed by Hurricane Michael and not yet restored.

Mom Nature has got you on the run early this year.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:09:36pm

re: #523 PhillyPretzel

And this is the stuff that is headed to Philly. Yuck.

Don’t know what will happen when it hits your colder air. There have been a couple tornado signatures near here, but the whole front was a good bit smoother than the last one.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:11:09pm

re: #525 Decatur Deb

This is the current forecast for Philly. It is a very soggy one.
forecast.weather.gov

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:12:08pm

These dumb motherfuckers are going to get so outplayed over the next two years.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:13:10pm

re: #526 PhillyPretzel

This is the current forecast for Philly. It is a very soggy one.
forecast.weather.gov

Heh. Your temps are going to rise through the night. That’s our air, all right.

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fern01  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:15:27pm

re: #352 Myron Falwell

Wow, I take a few hours break and Donny loses his goddam mind.

That mind went over 30 years ago. At this stage he is just a loser.

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fern01  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:20:30pm

re: #375 Eclectic Cyborg

Man, think of the splodey MAGA heads if the GOP overrides a Trump veto…

If the senate has the votes - I think trump will sign. Stating he cares much more about the country than Nancy - so he will go with his GOP friends and sign - for 2 weeks. Then the speech, then the government shuts again - but at least there will be some back pay for those who are owed.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:23:07pm

The storm has peaked here at less than 50 mph. The poor folks south of here have been over 80, and likely tornadoes are being identified. That’s the ground zero land between Panama City and Tallahassee that have not much recovered from Michael.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:24:19pm
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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:42:15pm

re: #472 Blind Frog Belly White

I may be wrong, but I don’t see Trump wanting to get into an actual war. He seems more the sort to bluff and bluster, and then wimp out.

Bolton, now - that MFer has been wanting a war with someone for years now. Only I think he wants it in the ME, not South America.

But any foreign leader with a modicum of experience could humiliate the crap out of Trump. Imagine if he started acting like a tough guy and circumstances made him look even weaker. That dude in Venezuela already has Trump ready to overreact, and it’s easy to imagine Trump trying to personally run the war and ending up making big mistakes.

You think no wall would piss off the Red Hats? What will they think if some schlub from South America hands Trump his ass militarily?


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