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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:26:19am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:26:46am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:30:30am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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NATO allies defended us after 9/11. Pompeo is a vet. He should know better than to parrot this shit out.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:30:49am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Glad Utah is focused on what’s important.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:31:38am

Current CNN headline: TRUMP AIDES KEEP TELLING STRUGGLING WORKERS TO SUCK IT UP

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:32:30am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:33:15am

re: #6 Patricia Kayden

Narrator: It was, in fact, already too late.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:33:52am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Putin couldn’t have planted a better response that favors Russia if he tried (and he tried).

Once again, Trump’s foreign policy outcomes are indistinguishable from outcomes Putin wants.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:34:34am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I’m old enough to remember when the United States invoked Article 5 of the NATO treaty in the aftermath of the worst terrorist atrocity in American history.

And now, less than two decades later, our Secretary of State replies with, “I’m not going to get into hypotheticals” when asked if America would come to the aid of our NATO allies should they be in their hour of need.

I can only assume that Vladimir Putin will be sleeping quite well for the foreseeable future.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:34:34am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:35:59am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:36:25am

re: #9 Dr Lizardo

I’m old enough to remember when the United States invoked Article 5 of the NATO treaty in the aftermath of the worst terrorist atrocity in American history.

And now, less than two decades later, our Secretary of State replies with, “I’m not going to get into hypotheticals” when asked if America would come to the aid of our NATO allies should they be in their hour of need.

I can only assume that Vladimir Putin will be sleeping quite well for the foreseeable future.

It disgusts me because while I doubt Trump knows the extent they helped after 9/11, Pompeo should. I know he got out a decade before 9/11 but still.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:37:19am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

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Because he doesn’t know proper nouns from verbs.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:37:22am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

It disgusts me because while I doubt Trump knows the extent they helped after 9/11, Pompeo should. I know he got out a decade before 9/11 but still.

There is no Pompeo. He has been taken over by the Drump thing.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:38:07am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’d have thought Indiana would try that shit before Utah. Jeebus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:38:35am

good grief

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:38:47am

re: #14 Sir John Barron

There is no Pompeo. He has been taken over by the Drump thing.

This remake of The Thing sucks.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:38:54am

re: #14 Sir John Barron

There is no Pompeo. He has been taken over by the Drump thing.

It Came From Outer Space Trump Tower

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:39:09am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Rand, a hypocrite just like his Dad.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:39:52am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

I’m assuming Rand used Uber to go to Canada for his medical treatments?

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:40:24am

re: #17 HappyWarrior

This remake of The Thing sucks.

LOL brilliant.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:40:40am

fucking clueless

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:40:43am

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

It Came From Outer Space Trump Tower

Invasion of the Body Snatchers!

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:40:54am
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uncah91  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:41:03am

re: #14 Sir John Barron

There is no Pompeo. He has been taken over by the Drump thing.

There is no Pompeo. Only ZUUL!

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plansbandc  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:41:24am

re: #6 Patricia Kayden

Fuck that orange piece of shit.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:42:03am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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Murdoch needs to get his ass kicked.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:42:16am

re: #25 uncah91

There is no Pompeo. Only ZUUL!

Ray, next time someone asks you if you are a god, you say yes!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:42:40am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:43:02am

re: #25 uncah91

There is no Pompeo. Only ZUUL!

So, you’re saying that Trump Tower was designed by Ivo Shandor?

Well…..I learn something new every day, LOL.

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uncah91  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:44:28am

re: #28 Myron Falwell

Ray, next time someone asks you if you are a god, you say yes!

Do you think Trump would fall for that? I think he might fall for that.

It’s a plan so crazy it just might work.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:49:20am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

It’s a small thing, I know, but why the hell is “Cave” capitalized?

hopefully he thinks its a noun, because there will be no cave
(nobody wants one)

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:52:28am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

And what about the fraction of people that don’t fall into a simple yes or no?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:52:40am

re: #25 uncah91

There is no Pompeo. Only ZUUL!

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:53:03am
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calochortus  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:55:14am

re: #33 Belafon

And what about the fraction of people that don’t fall into a simple yes or no?

They get a coin flip.
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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:56:12am

re: #35 Single-handed sailor

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And Joe Manchin has voted for the GOP bill. The whole “Better than a Republican” excuse for continuing to support his reelection has worn thinner than a human hair.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:56:48am

re: #37 Targetpractice

And Joe Manchin has voted for the GOP bill. The whole “Better than a Republican” excuse for continuing to support his reelection has worn thinner than a human hair.

Let’s see if he supports the Dem one.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:58:21am

re: #37 Targetpractice

And Joe Manchin has voted for the GOP bill. The whole “Better than a Republican” excuse for continuing to support his reelection has worn thinner than a human hair.

Not a surprise. Not one bit.

It might be for the best the party leadership just tells him to leave. It’s not worth it.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:59:39am

re: #35 Single-handed sailor

Just got to 41 nays.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:59:41am

re: #37 Targetpractice

And Joe Manchin has voted for the GOP bill. The whole “Better than a Republican” excuse for continuing to support his reelection has worn thinner than a human hair.

A DINO is 1000% better than any Republican today. And Manchin has voted for other important Democratic legislation.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:59:45am

Another step in dismantling America’s social safety nets.

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ObserverArt  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:00:09pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That link to the long YouTube video is great. He is making Lindsey Graham’s Senate performances look like a third grade class play to his Broadway production.

Keep it up Senator Bennett.

And oh yeah, you don’t have to say you respect Ted Cruz. No one does.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:00:22pm

Cotton votes nay on the Trump plan.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:01:00pm

re: #44 KGxvi

Cotton votes nay on the Trump plan.

Probably not tough enough for him

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:01:06pm

re: #40 KGxvi

Just got to 41 nays.

i dont believe mitch has ever held a vote he didnt already know what was going to happen

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:01:49pm

re: #46 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i dont believe mitch has ever held a vote he didnt already know what was going to happen

No smart legislator would.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:01:55pm

re: #46 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i dont believe mitch has ever held a vote he didnt already know what was going to happen

McCain.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:02:15pm

But I think he knew the outcome of this.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:02:38pm

trump is out of responses to nancy today because his staff tells him he can’t fire her, sue her, or slap her

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:02:42pm

re: #48 Belafon

McCain.

Touche. That one was a bit of a shock.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:02:48pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Another step in dismantling America’s social safety nets.

They keep thinking that and then it doesn’t work.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:03:02pm

re: #50 dog philosopher ????

trump is out of responses to nancy today because his staff tells him he can’t fire her, sue her, or slap her

Or pay her to go away.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:04:52pm

Murkowski and Collins were yays on the Trump plan. Cornyn and McSally are thus far the only border state Senators to vote yes, though I suspect Cruz will shortly.

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:05:53pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

And Joe Manchin has voted for the GOP bill. The whole “Better than a Republican” excuse for continuing to support his reelection has worn thinner than a human hair.

Manchin, Collins, Murkowski and Gardner have all said they’ll vote yes on BOTH bills.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:06:24pm

re: #46 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i dont believe mitch has ever held a vote he didnt already know what was going to happen

He may know the outcome, and that could be why he put the clean CR after this. Otherwise it makes no sense.

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freetoken  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:06:47pm

re: #35 Single-handed sailor

I still don’t like the Schumer alternative of 2 weeks.

Yes, some will get backpay… but then be out of pay again two weeks following. Meanwhile, since the government is open, Trump will claim he ought to be let into the House to give the SOTU. And that speech will be all the badness you can imagine.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:08:00pm

Mike Lee is also a nay on the Trump plan, that’s two Republicans against.

re: #55 sagehen

Manchin, Collins, Murkowski and that other guy from Colorado have all said they’ll vote yes on BOTH bills.

Seems like a “whatever it takes, just open the government” coalition.

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ObserverArt  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:08:36pm

Oh this is too good. Thank you Senator Bennett for coming out and just saying it.

(Video set to play the couple minutes of Bennett on “The Hastert Rule”…watch the subtle reaction of his fellow Senator to his left and a bit out of camera.)

Sen. Michael Bennet (D-CO) on Government Shutdown (C-SPAN)

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:08:42pm
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freetoken  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:09:12pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Trump’s plan can’t get to 60.

So it’ll be on to Schumer’s plan.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:10:09pm

re: #61 freetoken

Trump’s plan can’t get to 60.

So it’ll be on to Schumer’s plan.

Trump’s plan may not even get to 50.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:10:47pm

re: #59 ObserverArt

Oh this is too good. Thank you Senator Bennett for coming out and just saying it.

(Video set to play the couple minutes of Bennett on “The Hastert Rule”…watch the subtle reaction of his fellow Senator to his left and a bit out of camera.)

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Video

Looks like Doug Jones.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:11:08pm

Can’t wait for someone in Trumpworld to explain to Trump that the Trump bill is going down in flames in the GOP controlled Senate as they can’t get the votes among their own GOP caucus for this nonsense.

McConnell’s smirk is showing though. He’s savvy enough to know how to deflect blame on to others. He merely allowed the vote - and he can’t help it if the outcome is not helping Trump or his idiotic wall.

We’ve still got a bit of time to see how the final tally comes in, and then we get to the next vote - on the clean CR.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:11:21pm

Gonna call it a night; up early for work tomorrow. Later, Lizards.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:12:26pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bennett sounds like someone who should be joining the fray and running for President. He is a terrific extemporaneous speaker. And the brief clip of Ted Cruz shows what a lying weasel Ted is. The McConnell bill was not a clean CR at all and it would not pass the House.

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ObserverArt  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:12:36pm

re: #63 Decatur Deb

Looks like Doug Jones.

Yeah, that is who it is. I love the little surprised smile and looking down while Bennett is ripping them a new one.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:13:44pm

re: #67 ObserverArt

Yeah, that is who it is. I love the little surprised smile and looking down while Bennett is ripping them a new one.

Sent him an “Up Against the Wall” email a few minutes ago.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:13:44pm

re: #64 lawhawk

I wonder if McConnell will change his vote at the last second so that he can bring it back up for a vote later?

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:14:18pm

re: #64 lawhawk

Can’t wait for someone in Trumpworld to explain to Trump that the Trump bill is going down in flames in the GOP controlled Senate as they can’t get the votes among their own GOP caucus for this nonsense.

McConnell’s smirk is showing though. He’s savvy enough to know how to deflect blame on to others. He merely allowed the vote - and he can’t help it if the outcome is not helping Trump or his idiotic wall.

We’ve still got a bit of time to see how the final tally comes in, and then we get to the next vote - on the clean CR.

The bold’s the part that is going to lead to a lot of screaming, that there were Republicans in the Senate who actually voted against this bill. How dare they betray him, their God-Emperor?!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:14:49pm

Man Charged With Murder After Allegedly Killing 5 Women At SunTrust Bank In Florida

I’ve been outside the US quite a bit in my about-to-be 70 years. I am quite sure they have about as high a percentage of these incel nutcakes in the UK and France and Canada as we do here. Yet they don’t have a mass shooting every fucking day. What could be the reason? ‘Tis a puzzlement.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:15:00pm

Current vote on the Trump plan: 51 yea, 47 nay. It is defeated.Final.

It needs 60 votes to advance.

Manchin voted yea
Lee and Cotton voted no.

UPDATE:
3:17 - Johnson added aye; Blackburn; aye.

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danarchy  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:15:40pm

re: #56 Myron Falwell

He may know the outcome, and that could be why he put the clean CR after this. Otherwise it makes no sense.

They fully expect both bills to fail. It is Mitch saying see neither of these work and trying to force some sort of compromise.

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freetoken  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:17:24pm

re: #62 KGxvi

Trump’s plan may not even get to 50.

Just did.

The three remaining Republicans will probably follow the party line too.

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Old Liberal  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:17:48pm

re: #33 Belafon

And what about the fraction of people that don’t fall into a simple yes or no?

For example there are babies with external female appearance no ovaries and internal testes. And babies with both or unclear external genitalia And XX or XY does not produce a fixed set of outcomes so you can’t use that to define. Fucking morons in a quest with no meaning or good purpose except to deny their own god’s Creations. .

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freetoken  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:19:17pm

Two remaining Republicans to vote. Risch of ID who is very right wing… and Rand Paul, who will probably vote may who knows may just skip the thing to go do something else.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:19:40pm

Schumer’s proposal is now on the clock for the vote.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:19:53pm

re: #73 danarchy

They fully expect both bills to fail. It is Mitch saying see neither of these work and trying to force some sort of compromise.

Which is a foolish strategy, he’d be giving the Democrats all the ammo to use against him and those who vote nay on the obvious exit ramp.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:20:04pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:20:41pm

re: #75 Old Liberal

For example there are babies with external female appearance no ovaries and internal testes. And babies with both or unclear external genitalia And XX or XY does not produce a fixed set of outcomes so you can’t use that to define. Fucking morons in a quest with no meaning or good purpose except to deny their own god’s Creations. .

UNPOSSIBLE! The Bibble says “Male and female He created them”! Chekmate, libtard!

Honestly, the lengths to which they go to fuck over people who make them uncomfortable. Cripes. Imagine having a brain full of squirrels like that.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:20:47pm

re: #76 freetoken

Two remaining Republicans to vote. Risch of ID who is very right wing… and Rand Paul, who will probably vote may who knows may just skip the thing to go do something else.

Brave Senator Paul… ran away from the vote…

If Paul were the libertarian he claims to be, he’d vote against the wall, and be in favor of the free movement of people. That used to be a fairly central tenant of libertarianism

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:21:49pm

re: #81 KGxvi

Brave Senator Paul… ran away from the vote…

If Paul were the libertarian he claims to be, he’d vote against the wall, and be in favor of the free movement of people. That used to be a fairly central tenant of libertarianism

The Bundy’s actually believe that.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:21:52pm

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Man Charged With Murder After Allegedly Killing 5 Women At SunTrust Bank In Florida

I’ve been outside the US quite a bit in my about-to-be 70 years. I am quite sure they have about as high a percentage of these incel nutcakes in the UK and France and Canada as we do here. Yet they don’t have a mass shooting every fucking day. What could be the reason? ‘Tis a puzzlement.

he was fine until he wasnt - except he wasnt fine. he “had his troubles”
no one ever hurt anyone before the first time.. gah

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Josh Xaver, who told CNN he is the suspect’s father, called the news a “total shock.”

“He wasn’t raised to be like this. He’s always been a good kid,” Xaver said. “He’s had his troubles, but he has never hurt anyone ever before.”

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calochortus  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:22:08pm

re: #81 KGxvi

Brave Senator Paul… ran away from the vote…

If Paul were the libertarian he claims to be, he’d vote against the wall, and be in favor of the free movement of people. That used to be a fairly central tenant of libertarianism

Yeah, but that was back when the rules (or lack of them) applied to everyone, not just oneself.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:22:28pm
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calochortus  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:23:32pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Yet he is inflicting unbearable pain on his own citizens to get Americans to pay. Why?

Obviously, because he can.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:23:49pm

re: #81 KGxvi

Brave Senator Paul… ran away from the vote…

If Paul were the libertarian he claims to be, he’d vote against the wall, and be in favor of the free movement of people. That used to be a fairly central tenant of libertarianism

I would not want to be a tenant of libertarianism, because they’d be able to evict me anytime with no notice because there’d be no law to protect me.
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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:24:55pm

re: #75 Old Liberal

For example there are babies with external female appearance no ovaries and internal testes. And babies with both or unclear external genitalia And XX or XY does not produce a fixed set of outcomes so you can’t use that to define. Fucking morons in a quest with no meaning or good purpose except to deny their own god’s Creations. .

Interesting footnote in all of this that the Utah Democratic party nominated a trans woman for the US Senate in 2016.

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Old Liberal  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:24:58pm

re: #80 Blind Frog Belly White

UNPOSSIBLE! The Bibble says “Male and female He created them”! Chekmate, libtard!

Honestly, the lengths to which they go to fuck over people who make them uncomfortable. Cripes. Imagine having a brain full of squirrels like that.

It’s sad because in the case of external female and internal testes the person learns this when they don’t begin menstration. Why can’t we cut this shit and replace it with understanding and support, you know, like that Jesus guy said.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:25:40pm

re: #87 Blind Frog Belly White

I would not want to be a tenant of libertarianism, because they’d be able to evict me anytime with no notice because there’d be no law to protect me.
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heh, fingers faster than my brain, I guess.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:25:51pm

re: #86 calochortus

Obviously, because he can.

More like, because he doesn’t know what else to do. His sole negotiating tactic is to make a demand, and walk out if he doesn’t get it. The other side caves or they don’t. In business, if they don’t cave, he’d find another partner. There are no other partners in this.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:26:02pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Because, as I’m sure Joy is alluding to, it’s not about the wall. It’s about keeping Democrats from doing what they were elected to do.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:26:47pm
Michael Ertel, the newly appointed Secretary of State of Gov. Ron DeSantis, has resigned after photos emerged of him posing as a Hurricane Katrina victim in blackface at a private Halloween party 14 years ago.

tallahassee democrat

here’s hoping a similar result some time in the future for some of those kentucky kids

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:26:58pm

re: #81 KGxvi

Brave Senator Paul… ran away from the vote…

If Paul were the libertarian he claims to be, he’d vote against the wall, and be in favor of the free movement of people. That used to be a fairly central tenant of libertarianism

Just because he claims to be libertarian doesn’t make him one. I am no fan of libertarianism but I have never seen anything that indicates he really adheres to that philosophy.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:27:16pm

re: #82 Belafon

The Bundy’s actually believe that.

I’m as close to an advocate for open borders as you’ll find. I think legal immigration should be drastically increased, we should provide amnesty/pathway to citizenship for every undocumented person in the US, and that we should make it easier for people who want to come here for work, whether permanently or temporarily.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:27:31pm

re: #89 Old Liberal

It’s sad because in the case of external female and internal testes the person learns this when they don’t begin menstration. Why can’t we cut this shit and replace it with understanding and support, you know, like that Jesus guy said.

Because then they’d have to not be assholes to people who make them uncomfortable, which cuts against the whole basis of social conservatism.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:27:53pm

re: #91 Blind Frog Belly White

More like, because he doesn’t know what else to do. His sole negotiating tactic is to make a demand, and walk out if he doesn’t get it. The other side caves or they don’t. In business, if they don’t cave, he’d find another partner. There are no other partners in this.

he has no understanding of politics

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:28:08pm

re: #91 Blind Frog Belly White

More like, because he doesn’t know what else to do. His sole negotiating tactic is to make a demand, and walk out if he doesn’t get it. The other side caves or they don’t. In business, if they don’t cave, he’d find another partner. There are no other partners in this.

Yeah, he’s not thinking about inflicting pain (that’s up to Stephan Miller) but on how much he can stroke his ego.

He’s terrible at the job because he’s throughly unqualified, but we all knew that to begin with.

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calochortus  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:28:20pm

It seems that some Freepers are beginning to detect a problem with the Trump administration.
They’re not happy that he backed down on the SOTU address, though some are spinning it as a diabolically clever plan that hasn’t finished playing out yet.
Some are wondering why Trump didn’t fund the wall when he had the Senate and the House and are disappointed.
Others point out that the first 2 years Trump was busy with tax cuts, only to have someone point out his, and other peoples taxes have gone up because they can’t deduct state and local taxes, which may have upset some voters.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:28:31pm

On to the Democratic bill, already 5 Republicans voting yay.

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jimmyvluv4u  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:28:37pm

Alexander and Isakson voted for the Dem plan already… did not see them on the list before.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:29:46pm

Cotton is a nay on both.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:30:47pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:31:04pm

Smith25 posted a bishop’s condemnation of the Covington Cath pro-life field trip (last thread). The Freepers are on it, calling Bishop Stowe out for virtue signalling.

Freeper should read the job description.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:31:06pm

Lee is also a nay on both.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:31:15pm

re: #99 calochortus

It seems that some Freepers are beginning to detect a problem with the Trump administration.
They’re not happy that he backed down on the SOTU address, though some are spinning it as a diabolically clever plan that hasn’t finished playing out yet.
Some are wondering why Trump didn’t fund the wall when he had the Senate and the House and are disappointed.
Others point out that the first 2 years Trump was busy with tax cuts, only to have someone point out his, and other peoples taxes have gone up because they can’t deduct state and local taxes, which may have upset some voters.

Slowly catching on to the Shart of the Deal.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:31:45pm

And boom… 41 nays on the Democratic plan.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:32:07pm

re: #104 Decatur Deb

Smith25 posted a bishop’s condemnation of the Covington Cath pro-life field trip (last thread). The Freepers are on it, calling Bishop Stowe out for virtue signalling.

Freeper should read the job description.

What’s next? Calling him out for using the Bible?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:32:20pm
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jimmyvluv4u  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:32:37pm

Surprised McSally didn’t vote for it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:32:51pm

re: #92 Belafon

Because, as I’m sure Joy is alluding to, it’s not about the wall. It’s about keeping Democrats from doing what they were elected to do.

I think this is the equivalent of the old prison advice that you should choose the biggest guy as soon as you get there and beat the hell out of them, so they’ll let you alone afterwards. Trump figured he had to notch a big win against the incoming Democratic House so everyone would know he’s still the Alpha.

Trump is desperately afraid of how weak and small he’ll look if he loses. MUCH, MUCH weaker than he’d be if he hadn’t tried this stunt.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:33:22pm

Romney is in the “just open the government” coalition, yay on both.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:34:28pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

I think this is the equivalent of the old prison advice that you should choose the biggest guy as soon as you get there and beat the hell out of them, so they’ll let you alone afterwards. Trump figured he had to notch a big win against the incoming Democratic House so everyone would know he’s still the Alpha.

Trump is desperately afraid of how weak and small he’ll look if he loses. MUCH, MUCH weaker than he’d be if he hadn’t tried this stunt.

this i think is as usual gives trump too much credit for strategic thinking, planning, etc

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:34:32pm

re: #110 jimmyvluv4u

Surprised McSally didn’t vote for it.

She’s probably more worried about the primary than the general election next year. Which, given the results last year, seems… short sighted.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:35:00pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

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Shorter Levin: I don’t know history or who I look up to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:35:33pm

re: #97 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

he has no understanding of politics

he really has no understanding of business negotiations, either.

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jimmyvluv4u  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:36:20pm

So… 6 (at least) R defections and only Manchin defecting on the (D) side? Not sure what leverage McConnell/Trump think they have at this point.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:36:39pm

re: #113 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

this i think is as usual gives trump too much credit for strategic thinking, planning, etc

Nah. It’s simple dominance. It’s how he works.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:37:17pm

re: #83 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

My journalism professor used to joke about how stories on murderers have to have the obligatory quote from a neighbor that said: “He was a quiet man.”

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freetoken  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:37:41pm

re: #117 jimmyvluv4u

McConnell, as others have noted, is just covering his ass. He can now say that he let a vote happen… of course it was not on the actual CRs that the House passed, but the masses are not going to know the difference.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:37:55pm

re: #117 jimmyvluv4u

So… 6 (at least) R defections and only Manchin defecting on the (D) side? Not sure what leverage McConnell/Trump think they have at this point.

Manchin along with the six Republicans make up a group of seven that voted yay on both bills. And there are two Republicans who voted nay on both proposals.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:37:56pm

re: #117 jimmyvluv4u

So… 6 (at least) R defections and only Manchin defecting on the (D) side? Not sure what leverage McConnell/Trump think they have at this point.

“Neither bill can pass on its own, so Dems must now agree to ‘compromise’ by giving us some portion of our demands.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:38:23pm

So basically, the government is still shut down and we continue to be fucked indefinitely?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:38:44pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

he really has no understanding of business negotiations, either.

true enough and yet the rubes hired him to do this job (politics) because they thought he could do that job (real estate negotiations)

wrong on both counts

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:38:51pm

re: #122 Targetpractice

“Neither bill can pass on its own, so Dems must now agree to ‘compromise’ by giving us some portion of our demands.”

“we had more yay votes and fewer nay votes than you, you need to give up some of your demands.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:39:23pm

re: #125 KGxvi

“we had more yay votes and fewer nay votes than you, you need to give up some of your demands.”

“No.”

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:39:53pm

Paul, Risch, and Rosen haven’t voted on either bill. Burr and Wyden haven’t voted on the Democratic bill. Not sure the reasons why.

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freetoken  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:40:32pm

re: #123 Eclectic Cyborg

So basically, the government is still shut down and we continue to be fucked indefinitely?

Until enough Republican senators feel threatened that they force Mitch to go along and conference with the House on actual CRs… yes.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:40:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:40:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:41:37pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You could have looked that up Megyn Jr.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:44:41pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:45:21pm

re: #123 Eclectic Cyborg

So basically, the government is still shut down and we continue to be fucked indefinitely?

Mitch is the one who’s fucked. He’ll try to spin it every way possible, but he’s fucked.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:45:44pm
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calochortus  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:45:51pm

re: #133 Myron Falwell

Mitch is the one who’s fucked. He’ll try to spin it every way possible, but he’s fucked.

I hope so.

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freetoken  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:46:18pm

I wonder if Mitt voted “Yes” to the Dem plan just so people can tell Trump that Mitt was the reason the Dem plan got more votes than the Trump plan.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:46:18pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

Finally the legislative check begins to impeded the executive. I mean finally… Lost on State of The Union, losing on the shutdown and the wall. Investigations beginning, real enemies on oversight committees. It had to get worse before better but damn what a rocky bottom to hit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:48:48pm

Last night on NPR there was a piece where they went to Ohio to talk to people about the shutdown. The Trump voters they talked to uniformly said “We need The Wall!”, but some didn’t think this was the way to get it.

But here’s the thing - Ohio is way, way far away from the border. And the area they visited - Chillicothe, I believe - is almost 90% white and the Hispanic population is <1.5%. Yet again, it shows that the people who have the least exposure to immigrants are the worst hardliners on immigration.

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freetoken  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:49:26pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Guthrie exists to get eyes on NBC. She did that. Comcast will love her.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:50:21pm

re: #138 Blind Frog Belly White

Last night on NPR there was a piece where they went to Ohio to talk to people about the shutdown. The Trump voters they talked to uniformly said “We need The Wall!”, but some didn’t think this was the way to get it.

But here’s the thing - Ohio is way, way far away from the border. And the area they visited - Chillicothe, I believe - is almost 90% white and the Hispanic population is <1.5%. Yet again, it shows that the people who have the least exposure to immigrants are the worst hardliners on immigration.

They really should be going to places more representative of the state as a whole.

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mmmirele  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:53:18pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Glad Utah is focused on what’s important.

Utah is the same state that started that whole “porn is a health crisis” thing. When there are more important things to be concerned about!

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:53:37pm

Likewise, the Democrats’ plan succeeded in getting more GOPers to support their plan than Trump did.

Guess Trump isn’t good at negotiating with his party (or anyone else) to further his interests.

He remains a bully and a bloviator who doesn’t know how to govern.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:56:02pm

re: #142 lawhawk

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Likewise, the Democrats’ plan succeeded in getting more GOPers to support their plan than Trump did.

Guess Trump isn’t good at negotiating with his party (or anyone else) to further his interests.

He remains a bully and a bloviator who doesn’t know how to govern.

I think the big takeaway from all this is that a growing contingent of the Senate GOP just want the shutdown to end, they don’t care how that happens and are prepared to support Senate DNC efforts if it gets people back to work.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:56:26pm

Let the rage tweeting begin…

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:56:47pm

If you wanted to try to help some of the federal employees, Doug! has a link: balloon-juice.com.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:56:57pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:58:23pm

re: #141 mmmirele

Utah is the same state that started that whole “porn is a health crisis” thing. When there are more important things to be concerned about!

Well, it COULD become a health crisis, but it can be resolved with moderation, hydration, and lotion for the chafing.
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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:59:15pm

re: #146 jaunte

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Racists of a feather.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2019 • 12:59:46pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

That first image looks a bit like Trump’s makeup.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:01:33pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:02:27pm

So after five weeks of boasts about how the DNC were “breaking,” how Donny was in talks with them, and about how his “compromise” came about from said talks, the total number of Senate Dems who voted for his bill was…one.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:02:35pm

So, odds of Trump telling Federal workers that Democrats are the reason they are about to miss a second paycheck?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:02:48pm

re: #135 calochortus

I hope so.

He lost a LOT of leverage and the existing blame against him will not let up. Moreover, the Democrats showed him by passing the one true shot at ending this and he blocked it.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:04:38pm

re: #107 KGxvi

And boom… 41 nays on the Democratic plan.

So, one more vote would have passed it? Although that wouldn’t be veto-proof. Still.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:05:04pm

re: #146 jaunte

It’s a reflection on not only that twit, but DeSantis who picked him.

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ObserverArt  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:05:31pm

re: #138 Blind Frog Belly White

Last night on NPR there was a piece where they went to Ohio to talk to people about the shutdown. The Trump voters they talked to uniformly said “We need The Wall!”, but some didn’t think this was the way to get it.

But here’s the thing - Ohio is way, way far away from the border. And the area they visited - Chillicothe, I believe - is almost 90% white and the Hispanic population is <1.5%. Yet again, it shows that the people who have the least exposure to immigrants are the worst hardliners on immigration.

People of Chillicothe could use some immigrants. The damn city is hurting budget wise and is losing people. But it is part of the Appalachian thinking that starts around that part of Ohio. Beautiful area too. Nice and hilly.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:05:49pm

Hmm.

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danarchy  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:07:03pm

re: #154 Sir John Barron

So, one more vote would have passed it? Although that wouldn’t be veto-proof. Still.

the final vote was 52-44

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:08:10pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:08:44pm

re: #157 Myron Falwell

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Hmm.

Schumer’s gotta be fighting down a shit-eatting grin right now. He had a single defection from his ranks, while Mitch had several who voted for both bills. The reality is that, given another week, Schumer will have the votes to get cloture on his bill. Mitch is never going to get the votes for Donny’s, nor is Donny going to let him negotiate another bill. If there’s a way out of this, it’s going to by accepting some form of “clean” CR.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:11:23pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:12:04pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

Upding for “Republitrump”.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:13:37pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

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The 30% I might add live in fear of immigrants despite being the least likely to interact with them. Conned by a conman.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:14:28pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

The 30% I might add live in fear of immigrants despite being the least likely to interact with them. Conned by a conman.

Fear of the unknown.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:15:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:16:17pm

re: #164 KGxvi

Fear of the unknown.

I for one welcome our pupusa overlords.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:17:45pm

There’s something absolutely rotten going on over at the AP.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:18:19pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I for one welcome our pupusa overlords.

Like I say on FB whenever I get into one of those discussions on immigration and assimilation - I live in a state with no majorities. It’s cool. And the food is so much better.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:19:05pm

O_o

in Mooch’s dreams, maybe…

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:19:48pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

He still thinks that governing is tweeting about “Dems are Caving!” and “We have Great Unity!”, then having hundreds of thousands of “likes” for his tweet.

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ObserverArt  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:20:18pm

re: #162 Eclectic Cyborg

Upding for “Republitrump”.

I kinda like Trumpublicans.

He took them over and they gave up.

Let them always be associated with Trump and the worst U.S. President in history along with one of the worst Republican Senates.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:21:32pm

re: #168 Blind Frog Belly White

Like I say on FB whenever I get into one of those discussions on immigration and assimilation - I live in a state with no majorities. It’s cool. And the food is so much better.

When I moved to Western Loudoun County, the most ethnic place in town was a meh TexMex spot. We now have a pupuseria and Thai place.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:22:07pm

re: #170 Flying Squirrel Girl

He still thinks that governing is tweeting about “Dems are Caving!” and “We have Great Unity!”, then having hundreds of thousands of “likes” for his tweet.

And having one of his bootlickers on FNC praise him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:22:39pm

re: #171 ObserverArt

I kinda like Trumpublicans.

He took them over and they gave up.

Let them always be associated with Trump and the worst U.S. President in history along with one of the worst Republican Senates.

My all time favourite, and I can’t remember who here had it first, was: Branch Trumpidians

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:23:14pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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in Mooch’s dreams, maybe…

Well that’s something I didn’t need to know about.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:23:29pm

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

My all time favourite, and I can’t remember who here had it first, was: Branch Trumpidians

I like Trumpists.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:23:38pm

re: #165 Blind Frog Belly White

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I think yesterday’s events have set the stage for a very painful weekend for the GOP. Mitch probably hoped to come out of today with some measure of leverage, with either pure party-line votes or even multiple Dem defections so he could say that there was room for “compromise.” But the worst scenario played out, with Dems staying fairly united while he had several defections on his side. The growing sense that the shutdown has run its course and the GOP position is only going to further deteriorate has set in.

There’s no way that Mitch saves face at this point without Donny losing it. He’s never getting the votes for $5.7B, not without offering something of equal or greater value. This half-assed “compromise” is not that and any talk along those lines is a waste of time. Either Donny is going to have to scale back the asking price or he’s going to have to raise the offer.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:23:46pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

Call me crazy but first on my policy change list is actually prosecute employers of those not entitled to work. When they scream tight labor, open up the quotas to where we get the labor we need, and deal with all fairly. Due process etc etc. California knows how to do this, when seasonal workers have confidence of access they don’t try to settle near the work, at least not illegally.

Charles, you know those quaint places in Ventura like Piru? Founded in the days I speak of and the bosses settled but not the workers. Citrus groves for miles and miles back when. It’s hard not to scream when you know how this can work, how it should rather than this shitshow.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:24:06pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

re: #164 KGxvi

fear of whatever they’re told to fear

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:25:28pm

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:25:32pm

re: #179 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

fear of whatever they’re told to fear

Yep from a bunch of assholes who tell them to hate city folk from said cities.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:25:44pm

re: #170 Flying Squirrel Girl

He still thinks that governing is tweeting about “Dems are Caving!” and “We have Great Unity!”, then having hundreds of thousands of “likes” for his tweet.

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teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:26:21pm

Here’s a Brexit metaphor if I ever saw one.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:27:16pm
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William Lewis  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:28:05pm

re: #180 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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That, alas, is true. In fact, the announcers on the local classical station reference that quite often that tune X is known from Y cartoon.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:29:41pm

re: #185 William Lewis

That, alas, is true. In fact, the announcers on the local classical station reference that quite often that tune X is known from Y cartoon.

If it gets people interested tho, as I told you last night, I first heard Django Reinhardt in a video game. My first exposure to Celtic was in Metal Gear Solid too.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:30:02pm

re: #178 Unshaken Defiance

Call me crazy but first on my policy change list is actually prosecute employers of those not entitled to work. When they scream tight labor, open up the quotas to where we get the labor we need, and deal with all fairly. Due process etc etc. California knows how to do this, when seasonal workers have confidence of access they don’t try to settle near the work, at least not illegally.

Charles, you know those quaint places in Ventura like Piru? Founded in the days I speak of and the bosses settled but not the workers. Citrus groves for miles and miles back when. It’s hard not to scream when you know how this can work, how it should rather than this shitshow.

Prosecute employers of those not entitled to work… like Trump (who’s accused of hiring undocumented persons on multiple occasions - first with the demo of the Bonwit Teller building back in the day, and then with the Trump Bedminster golf resort operations). But businesses can’t check with E-Verify, because it’s offline thanks to Trump’s shutdown.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:30:12pm

re: #178 Unshaken Defiance

Call me crazy but first on my policy change list is actually prosecute employers of those not entitled to work. When they scream tight labor, open up the quotas to where we get the labor we need, and deal with all fairly. Due process etc etc. California knows how to do this, when seasonal workers have confidence of access they don’t try to settle near the work, at least not illegally.

Charles, you know those quaint places in Ventura like Piru? Founded in the days I speak of and the bosses settled but not the workers. Citrus groves for miles and miles back when. It’s hard not to scream when you know how this can work, how it should rather than this shitshow.

i’ve been saying this for 20 years
it’s right there in the instructions to the I-9
cut the ‘demand’ and make the supply ‘legitimate’

it’s the employers that are skimming and scamming everybody
if you work you pay taxes, get (some) benefits, and workplace protections

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:30:44pm

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

My all time favourite, and I can’t remember who here had it first, was: Branch Trumpidians

That is pretty good.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:30:49pm

You’d have thought after telling Trump that he should fire Comey and the Dems would love him for it, that Trump would be less inclined to listen to his idiot son-in-law.

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danarchy  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:31:09pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

There’s something absolutely rotten going on over at the AP.

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I’m sorry but what the heck are you talking about. The first tweet came after the first bill was rejected and the second one hadn’t been voted on yet. The second tweet came after the democratic bill also failed. could they send a tweet saying “republicans block democratic bill to reopen the government” sure, but the tweet saying they both failed more accurately summed up the current state of affairs if someone only saw the newer tweet.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:31:50pm

re: #180 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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i learned all about classical music and opera from warner brothers
it’s lasted a lifetime and turned into great heaps of discovery

kill the wabbit, indeed.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:32:22pm

re: #190 Blind Frog Belly White

You’d have thought after telling Trump that he should fire Comey and the Dems would love him for it, that Trump would be less inclined to listen to his idiot son-in-law.

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Jared assumes that Democrats think he’s a serious adult. He’s still working on adult.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:32:46pm

re: #188 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i’ve been saying this for 20 years
it’s right there in the instructions to the I-9
cut the ‘demand’ and make the supply ‘legitimate’

it’s the employers that are skimming and scamming everybody
if you work you pay taxes, get (some) benefits, and workplace protections

The problem will be the employers who say, “I can’t find anyone to do this work!”, when what they really mean is “I can’t find anyone who will do this work for the shit wages I want to pay!”

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Old Liberal  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:34:35pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

The problem will be the employers who say, “I can’t find anyone to do this work!”, when what they really mean is “I can’t find anyone who will do this work for the shit wages I want to pay!”

Exactly. They never let wages rise until someone wants to do the work. It’s bullshit top to bottom.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:35:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:36:47pm

re: #196 lawhawk

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You’re not getting your wall, dingus.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:36:50pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

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I thought the first fascist was President Obama. Oh well.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:37:34pm

re: #196 lawhawk

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This is a pretty significant walk-back by the WH. After weeks of “We’ll not accept anything less than $5B,” they’re now saying “We’ll accept any CR that gives us money for the wall.”

That gives Mitch a little wiggle room, but it also makes all the whining about Nancy’s offer of $1 being an “insult” look ridiculous.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:38:09pm

re: #198 Patricia Kayden

I thought the first fascist was President Obama. Oh well.

I thought it was AOC.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:38:15pm

re: #192 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i learned all about classical music and opera from warner brothers
it’s lasted a lifetime and turned into great heaps of discovery

kill the wabbit, indeed.

Easier to remember than “Hoyo Taho!”, or what ever die Walküre sing.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:38:17pm

re: #190 Blind Frog Belly White

You’d have thought after telling Trump that he should fire Comey and the Dems would love him for it, that Trump would be less inclined to listen to his idiot son-in-law.

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but then Trump remembers that Kushner got to nail that [redacted] piece of [redacted] that is Trump’s [redacted] and so he must know what he’s doing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:38:56pm

re: #190 Blind Frog Belly White

You’d have thought after telling Trump that he should fire Comey and the Dems would love him for it, that Trump would be less inclined to listen to his idiot son-in-law.

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He’s apparently as delusional as his father-in-law.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:39:00pm

re: #202 KGxvi

but then Trump remembers that Kushner got to nail that [redacted] piece of [redacted] that is Trump’s [redacted] and so he must know what he’s doing.

“He must be at least as smart as I am!”

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:39:02pm

re: #192 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i learned all about classical music and opera from warner brothers
it’s lasted a lifetime and turned into great heaps of discovery

kill the wabbit, indeed.

Other than our Bach and Palestrina-derived church music, I got into it because the Pittsburgh Symphony adopted our reform school and played in our gym a couple times each year. It was led then by William Steinberg, peace be upon him.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:40:57pm

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

So, odds of Trump telling Federal workers that Democrats are the reason they are about to miss a second paycheck?

The odds of Trump lying about his shutdown are at 100%.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:41:10pm

re: #199 Targetpractice

This is a pretty significant walk-back by the WH. After weeks of “We’ll not accept anything less than $5B,” they’re now saying “We’ll accept any CR that gives us money for the wall.”

That gives Mitch a little wiggle room, but it also makes all the whining about Nancy’s offer of $1 being an “insult” look ridiculous.

Right, but let’s say the Dems offer Trump a deal where he gets say, $1.5 Billion for his wall and agrees to the DACA protections. Does this not still effectively teach him that he can hold federal workers hostage to make Democrats give him what he wants?

I understand the dire need to reopen the government but this would be just a horrible, horrible precedent to set.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:41:20pm

re: #206 Patricia Kayden

The odds of Trump lying about his shutdown are at 100%.

Nah 110%

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:41:42pm

re: #195 Old Liberal

Exactly. They never let wages rise until someone wants to do the work. It’s bullshit top to bottom.

It’s the same with complaining about a ‘skills gap’, and not finding people with experience. They don’t want to PAY for the experience, and they don’t want to train people - “What if I spend all that effort training them, and they leave?”

Then you aren’t paying them well enough! Duh.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:42:36pm

re: #195 Old Liberal

Exactly. They never let wages rise until someone wants to do the work. It’s bullshit top to bottom.

This is one of the problems with consolidation and the government’s allergy to enforcing anti-trust laws. The fewer businesses that there are in a particular market, the easier it is for them to essentially price fix wages. Workers will be less inclined to change jobs if the only two other shops in two pay the same wages, hell, even if those shops are paying a little bit more they might not jump.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:42:40pm

re: #122 Targetpractice

“Neither bill can pass on its own, so Dems must now agree to ‘compromise’ by giving us some portion of our demands.”

NOPE. Not a penny for the wall. Open the government on a clean CR and then negotiate border security. That’s how adults behave.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:42:42pm

re: #206 Patricia Kayden

The odds of Trump lying about his shutdown are at 100%.

Based on current polling, the odds of any random one of them believing him are about 7:3 against.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:42:49pm

re: #207 Eclectic Cyborg

Right, but let’s say the Dems offer Trump a deal where he gets say, $1.5 Billion for his wall and agrees to the DACA protections. Does this not still effectively teach him that he can hold federal workers hostage to make Democrats give him what he wants?

I understand the dire need to reopen the government but this would be just a horrible, horrible precedent to set.

It does, which is why I don’t think that it’s going to happen. But after weeks of saying “Nothing less than $5B!,” the WH is now saying “We just want money!” That’s a significant sign that Donny has pretty much realized he has no leverage left. At this point, he’s negotiating the terms of his surrender.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:43:25pm

re: #211 Patricia Kayden

NOPE. Not a penny for the wall. Open the government on a clean CR and then negotiate border security. That’s how adults behave.

Well, THERE’S your PROBLEM!!
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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:44:21pm

re: #146 jaunte

I can’t even be mad anymore. Just disappointed. This is what Florida is, apparently.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:45:18pm

re: #215 Citizen K

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I can’t even be mad anymore. Just disappointed. This is what Florida is, apparently.

Well he’s a racist fucker himself.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:45:36pm

re: #215 Citizen K

Desantis is an illegitimate governor in my eyes. There was just too much shady shit going on in Florida this past November.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:45:53pm

re: #25 uncah91

There is no Pompeo. Only ZUUL!

That might be too kind. Wasn’t Zuul at least female, and thus a step above toxic-male Mike?
/

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:46:02pm

re: #207 Eclectic Cyborg

Right, but let’s say the Dems offer Trump a deal where he gets say, $1.5 Billion for his wall and agrees to the DACA protections. Does this not still effectively teach him that he can hold federal workers hostage to make Democrats give him what he wants?

I understand the dire need to reopen the government but this would be just a horrible, horrible precedent to set.

Yeah. I would require that the bill to reopen set spending levels for the next 24 months.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:46:42pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Jared assumes that Democrats think he’s a serious adult. He’s still working on adult.

He never started on serious, either

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Citizen K  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:48:01pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Well he’s a racist fucker himself.

He was open about it and still managed to win. That speaks depressing volumes about the political atmosphere in the state.

re: #217 Eclectic Cyborg

Desantis is an illegitimate governor in my eyes. There was just too much shady shit going on in Florida this past November.

No doubt there was. It still doesn’t change that, illegitimate or not, Florida is all but stuck with him for now, and shady shit or not, a very significant amount of voters in Florida wanted this, exactly this.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:48:13pm

re: #191 danarchy

I’m sorry but what the heck are you talking about. The first tweet came after the first bill was rejected and the second one hadn’t been voted on yet. The second tweet came after the democratic bill also failed. could they send a tweet saying “republicans block democratic bill to reopen the government” sure, but the tweet saying they both failed more accurately summed up the current state of affairs if someone only saw the newer tweet.

What I’m talking about is the first tweet blames Democrats and frames it as them blocking Trump from trying to reopen the government. The second tweet say’s “two competing bills” failed, without giving Democrats any credit for repeatedly trying to reopen the government or mentioning that the second bill was already passed by the Democratic House and was passed by the last Senate unanimously in December. The AP has been pulling this patently rancid bullshit repeatedly recently in tweets and headlines. Here’s a taste:

They got so much shit for that they finally tried to walk it back.

The Associated Press has issued a second statement on the tweet: “The tweet was intended to make clear that both Trump and Democrats have failed to find common ground in their disagreements, but it could have done a better job of explaining the dynamics that have led to the shutdown. The complete AP Fact Check was robust and focused almost exclusively on Trump’s comments.”

They’ve simply presented Trump and the White House’s flagrantly dishonest claims as news, without any educational context. They’ve gotten burned doing this shit over and over again:

Bottom line, there’s an established pattern of Orwellian fuckery going on at the AP. It’s just too much at this point to chalk up to laziness or accident, they’re doing it on purpose.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:48:23pm

re: #220 Myron Falwell

He never started on serious, either

Mmmhmm. Seriously Jared is such a mediocrity.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:50:00pm

re: #222 goddamnedfrank

AP = Assisting Putin

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:52:20pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Mmmhmm. Seriously Jared is such a mediocrity.

Mediocrity is probably aiming high for him

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:53:55pm

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:53:57pm

re: #222 goddamnedfrank

Bottom line, there’s an established pattern of Orwellian fuckery going on at the AP. It’s just too much at this point to chalk up to laziness or accident, they’re doing it on purpose.

Maybe because this is the AP’s Washington Bureau Chief (note banner photo)
@jpaceDC

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:54:55pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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in Mooch’s dreams, maybe…

Mooch followed me on twitter a couple months ago. I have no idea why.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:55:52pm

re: #207 Eclectic Cyborg

Does this not still effectively teach him that he can hold federal workers hostage to make Democrats give him what he wants?

I understand the reasoning here, but I don’t think it’s as clear as that. For example, the last major shutdown was in 2013. I believe the cause of it had something to do with the GOP not wanting to fund Obamacare. Eventually there was some agreement to end the shutdown, but whatever was conceded, the GOP did not achieve their primary objective. So, on the basis of that, it might be reasonable to conclude that hostage-taking doesn’t work.

But now we’re having a major shutdown again anyway. So, it wouldn’t appear to me that the lesson of not taking hostages doesn’t really work, at least not in the sense of deterring further hostage taking.

The person’s who’s president changes, the makeup of congress change, the issues change, and with all that, the dynamics for hostage taking changes as well. And this is compounded if one of the parties doesn’t much care if there are shutdowns and workstoppages and government workers not getting paychecks indefinitely.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:57:38pm

re: #227 sagehen

Maybe because this is the AP’s Washington Bureau Chief (note banner photo)
@jpaceDC

Oh FFS.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:58:28pm

re: #227 sagehen

Maybe because this is the AP’s Washington Bureau Chief (note banner photo)
@jpaceDC

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Did they ask the same question of the GOP who had people including the now President that wanted to reverse a century and change of precedent on citizenship law.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 1:58:58pm

re: #225 KGxvi

Mediocrity is probably aiming high for him

You’re right. Too generous.

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lawhawk  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:00:32pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:02:35pm

re: #123 Eclectic Cyborg

So basically, the government is still shut down and we continue to be fucked indefinitely?

Yes. I am still not working; everyone keeps forgetting that while HHS is funded, FDA is not. I feel for the people that are having a hard time and I hope that this mess gets cleaned up soon. The orange shit-goblin has nothing left to negotiate with, the rich are going to be inconvenienced while going to the super bowl, will that cause something to happen?

I am not being cavalier about the solution to this issue, but that or something else causing pain may be what tips the balance.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:05:02pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:06:16pm

Not. Yielding.

The GOP is so screwed here, it’s amazing.

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steve_davis  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:06:58pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

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Presumably nouns in Russian, like German, are capitalized?

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:08:38pm

re: #236 Myron Falwell

It really is amazing how they have painted themselves into a corner. Not surprising Trump did but surprising in some sense that those who’ve been around for a while went along with it. But then again they didn’t have much choice. They’ve cuffed themselves to trump and thrown away the key.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:09:32pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:10:14pm

re: #236 Myron Falwell

Not. Yielding.

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The GOP is so screwed here, it’s amazing.

If Donny wants money, he has to make a serious offer. Either reopening the government for a long period or pathway to citizenship for Dreamers. Anything less just invites further hostage-taking.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:10:44pm

Fifteen percent of Fed employees are eligible to retire right now. They are overrpresented in the unfunded agencies. If this crap continues, many will have to punch out, and the turbulence will be epic.

govexec.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:14:03pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

Fifteen percent of Fed employees are eligible to retire right now. They are overrpresented in the unfunded agencies. If this crap continues, many will have to punch out, and the turbulence will be epic.

govexec.com

Putin smiles.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:15:35pm

re: #207 Eclectic Cyborg

Right, but let’s say the Dems offer Trump a deal where he gets say, $1.5 Billion for his wall and agrees to the DACA protections. Does this not still effectively teach him that he can hold federal workers hostage to make Democrats give him what he wants?

I understand the dire need to reopen the government but this would be just a horrible, horrible precedent to set.

It seems to me that DACA protections would be a pretty serious concession by him, given his rhetoric and how his base feels about it. So I find it difficult to believe he will offer it.

If Dems compromise on just less Wall funding, there will be a lot of people who will wonder whether the mere difference between 5.7 bill and 1.5 bill was worth having a shutdown over.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:15:47pm

“We had more! We Won!”

What a moron

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:15:56pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

The problem will be the employers who say, “I can’t find anyone to do this work!”, when what they really mean is “I can’t find anyone who will do this work for the shit wages I want to pay!”

whether the issue is pay, conditions, location, whatever, if you cant find anyone who will do the work, then you made some wrong assumptions in your business model

especially if the only way you can survive is by breaking the law

if paying true wages would cut your margins to ribbons, again, you made some bad assumptions

flip it:

not enough people want to buy this crap that i sell, or no one wants to pay what i’m asking

these are all ways of saying the world dont bend to you
you dont understand your customer, or your market, or your employees or…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:16:45pm

re: #244 Dave In Austin

“We had more! We Won!”

What a moron

I guess the same mathematician that told him his victory was historic told him this.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:17:25pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

I guess the same mathematician that told him his victory was historic told him this.

It’s spewing right now

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:17:49pm

Evening Lizardim from the snowy, bitterly cold wild north country. How screwed are we tonight?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:17:53pm

I don’t think compromise is in order, because that’s really negotiating with a terrorist. You can say, “Here’s the legislation we’ll consider once government reopens,” but absolutely nothing in the CR.

The GOP has to be broken of this habit of taking the USG workforce and the economy as a whole hostage.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:17:54pm

re: #247 Dave In Austin

It’s spewing right now

I’m sure. I hope he’s miserable.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:18:32pm

re: #207 Eclectic Cyborg

Right, but let’s say the Dems offer Trump a deal where he gets say, $1.5 Billion for his wall and agrees to the DACA protections. Does this not still effectively teach him that he can hold federal workers hostage to make Democrats give him what he wants?

I understand the dire need to reopen the government but this would be just a horrible, horrible precedent to set.

i think (with no proof) the dems are pretty well settled on ‘money for border security’, not for any wall (other than those already in place)

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:18:48pm

Donny’s mad at Wilber……

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:19:36pm

re: #240 Targetpractice

If Donny wants money, he has to make a serious offer. Either reopening the government for a long period or pathway to citizenship for Dreamers. Anything less just invites further hostage-taking.

At this point, I want citizenship for dreamers now. No pathway, because it can be halted.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:19:54pm

re: #252 Dave In Austin

Donny’s mad at Wilber……

Donny’s always mad at someone. Miserable old bastard.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:20:29pm

re: #253 Belafon

At this point, I want citizenship for dreamers now. No pathway, because it can be halted.

Right. Lest we forget DACA is a compromise itself.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:20:59pm

re: #238 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

It really is amazing how they have painted themselves into a corner. Not surprising Trump did but surprising in some sense that those who’ve been around for a while went along with it. But then again they didn’t have much choice. They’ve cuffed themselves to trump and thrown away the key.

Not only have they painted themselves into a corner, they fucked up — completely fucked up — an escape from an unwinnable situation. This gave the Democrats ammo against them, and those who voted no on the clean CR — or those who didn’t vote.

In a week, Mitch may be wishing he wasn’t the majority leader.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:21:02pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

Did they ask the same question of the GOP who had people including the now President that wanted to reverse a century and change of precedent on citizenship law.

More than that. The 14th Amendment basically just reversed the Dred Scott decision. For the first time ever, there was a substantial population that weren’t citizens, even though they were born here. The 14th took care of that, but birthright citizenship was baked into English Common Law for centuries before there was a United States—and if the wingnuts are about anything, it’s English Common law. That and Jesus wrote the King James Bible in English.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:22:30pm

re: #257 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

More than that. The 14th Amendment basically just reversed the Dred Scott decision. For the first time ever, there was a substantial population that weren’t citizens, even though they were born here. The 14th took care of that, but birthright citizenship was baked into English Common Law for centuries before there was a United States—and if the wingnuts are about anything, it’s English Common law. That and Jesus wrote the King James Bible in English.

I was having a neat conversation about citizenship with an Irishman. Birthright citizenship was a thing way back when. Eliminating it is yet another example of how radical the right is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:23:03pm

You got 50. We got 52. 52 > 50. By that criterion, WE won.

Except, you know that’s not the criterion.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:23:45pm

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

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You got 50. We got 52. 52 > 50. By that criterion, WE won.

Except, you know that’s not the criterion.

Math is hard.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:24:08pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

I was having a neat conversation about citizenship with an Irishman. Birthright citizenship was a thing way back when. Eliminating it is yet another example of how radical the right is.

Paul, as in Saint Paul the Apostle, was “born a [Roman] citizen”, per the book of Acts. Rome had some citizenship laws that look similar to modern states.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:24:21pm

“we won 50-47.”

It’s not a football game, you jackass. Nobody won anything when you only made 50 when you had to get 60. You ran fucking CASINOS, you should understand this. Gah.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:24:27pm

re: #251 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i think (with no proof) the dems are pretty well settled on ‘money for border security’, not for any wall (other than those already in place)

I can potentially see a “compromise” that includes more border money, some DACA or other admin concessions, and vague Dem statements about how the extra money isn’t for The Wall, but which can be used for that purpose anyway. Future work on The Wall can be blamed on projects already agreed to, etc.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:25:25pm

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

“we won 50-47.”

It’s not a football game, you jackass. Nobody won anything when you only made 50 when you had to get 60. You ran fucking CASINOS, you should understand this. Gah.

Yes, but he ran them into the ground, so…..

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:25:30pm

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

You got 50. We got 52. 52 > 50. By that criterion, WE won.

Except, you know that’s not the criterion.

Has he tweeted about “MITCH DO THE NUKE OPTION FAST BE SMART!” yet?

/

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:26:24pm

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

You got 50. We got 52. 52 > 50. By that criterion, WE won.

Except, you know that’s not the criterion.

If DJT “won” does that mean he gets Moar Wall Moneys?

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wrenchwench  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:26:55pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:27:08pm

re: #253 Belafon

At this point, I want citizenship for dreamers now. No pathway, because it can be halted.

Yes. This so much. Dreamers are Americans and should granted citizenship. A pathway to is complete bullshit.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:27:41pm
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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:27:45pm

re: #252 Dave In Austin

Donny’s mad at Wilber……

Wilber needs to remember that this kind of talk needs to be kept private.

/

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:27:52pm

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

“we won 50-47.”

It’s not a football game, you jackass. Nobody won anything when you only made 50 when you had to get 60. You ran fucking CASINOS, you should understand this. Gah.

…into the ground

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:28:20pm

re: #264 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes, but he ran them into the ground, so…..

gmta

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:28:20pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Math is hard.

He said it several times…. TaSchupit it Pains!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:28:42pm

re: #268 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Yes. This so much. Dreamers are Americans and should granted citizenship. A pathway to is complete bullshit.

You read about these people. This is all they’ve known. That anyone would want to deport them is absurd.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:28:45pm

re: #268 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Yes. This so much. Dreamers are Americans and should granted citizenship. A pathway to is complete bullshit.

Were they born here or brought here when they were young?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:29:06pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:29:24pm

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

we won 50-47.”

It’s not a football game, you jackass. Nobody won anything when you only made 50 when you had to get 60. You ran fucking CASINOS, you should understand this. Gah.

so the shutdown’s over?

asshat

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:30:01pm

re: #275 Sir John Barron

Were they born here or brought here when they were young?

Brought when they were young, too young to remember their original country.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:30:46pm

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

“we won 50-47.”

It’s not a football game, you jackass. Nobody won anything when you only made 50 when you had to get 60. You ran fucking CASINOS, you should understand this. Gah.

Uhm. He failed at running casinos. He. Does. Not. Understand. Anything. Relevant.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:31:16pm

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

“we won 50-47.”

It’s not a football game, you jackass. Nobody won anything when you only made 50 when you had to get 60. You ran fucking CASINOS, you should understand this. Gah.

Well, he clearly can’t count. I betcha he can’t count to 100 or perform simple calculations.

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wrenchwench  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:31:33pm

re: #269 jaunte

[White House preparing draft national emergency order and identified $7 billion for wall]

So, ‘the Wall’ is the hill Trump wants to die on. I’m starting to see that’s perfectly OK.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:32:38pm

re: #275 Sir John Barron

Were they born here or brought here when they were young?

In this situation, I don’t care.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:33:00pm

re: #280 Myron Falwell

Well, he clearly can’t count. I betcha he can’t count to 100 or perform simple calculations.

Look this is the guy who said - in a deposition! - when challenged that he only owned 30% of a company he’d claimed to own 50% of, that he ‘felt like he owned 50%’.

Whatever the fuck THAT means.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:33:03pm

re: #278 Belafon

Brought when they were young, too young to remember their original country.

Right, yeah I was just thinking that if they were born here they would automatically be citizens, which I know DJT and his base don’t like and want to change.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:33:12pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

So, ‘the Wall’ is the hill Trump wants to die on. I’m starting to see that’s perfectly OK.

Time to revive a slogan from my yoot:

UP AGAINST THE WALL, MOTHERFUCKER!!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:33:18pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

So, ‘the Wall’ is the hill Trump wants to die on. I’m starting to see that’s perfectly OK.

Unlike the 300, this is not a noble defeat. This is more like Little Bighorn.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:33:52pm

re: #283 Blind Frog Belly White

Look this is the guy who said - in a deposition! - when challenged that he only owned 30% of a company he’d claimed to own 50% of, that he ‘felt like he owned 50%’.

Whatever the fuck THAT means.

If he “thinks” he owned 50%, or won the Senate vote, then obviously he really did.

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teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:34:05pm

Oh fuck, what is spewing out of his sewer mouth now?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:34:20pm

re: #285 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Time to revive a slogan from my yoot:

UP AGAINST THE WALL, MOTHERFUCKER!!

BUILD THE WALL MONEY WONT FALL

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:34:39pm

Oh, man…..

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:34:39pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:35:33pm

re: #291 I Would Prefer Not To

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Making fools out of those who expected her to actually work at it!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:35:36pm

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

My all time favourite, and I can’t remember who here had it first, was: Branch Trumpidians

Trumporrhoids

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:35:53pm

Michael Bennett from CO is in…….

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teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:36:42pm

Someone needs to increase their DIN setting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:37:11pm

re: #269 jaunte

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so now it’s $7 billion

JFC

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:37:36pm

re: #291 I Would Prefer Not To

It’s all about the resume. Seriously…..

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fern01  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:37:58pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

Sometimes I would like to join twitter, just to tell Paul Krugman how wonderful he is. The only NYT person with a clue.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:39:22pm

re: #298 fern01

Sometimes I would like to join twitter, just to tell Paul Krugman how wonderful he is. The only NYT person with a clue.

They break great stories, and then say stupid shit.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:39:43pm

“We need to Overcome people who believe they have a monopoly on wisdom”

M. Bennett

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Old Liberal  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:40:18pm

I would like the House to pass legislation where either everyone gets paid or no one gets paid during a shutdown. Don’t know if the Senate would pass it because conservatives love their shutdowns. No one would dare provoke a shutdown if Social Security would stop. It’s wrong to have carved out a piece of Federal workers and no one else pays a price.

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wrenchwench  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:40:36pm

re: #285 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Time to revive a slogan from my yoot:

UP AGAINST THE WALL, MOTHERFUCKER!!

That was my thought yesterday. I coudn’t make an acceptable comment about it. Then I forgot all about it. Thanks for bringing it back. It’s so full of optimism…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:40:48pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

So, ‘the Wall’ is the hill Trump wants to die on. I’m starting to see that’s perfectly OK.

and it’s an anthill.

a fireanthill if there is any karma…

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:41:36pm

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

and it’s an anthill.

a fireanthill if there is any karma…

more like an underground wasp’s nest

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:41:41pm
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jaunte  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:42:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:43:31pm

re: #305 The Vicious Babushka

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Incredibly out of touch even for him.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:44:04pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:44:15pm

re: #185 William Lewis

That, alas, is true. In fact, the announcers on the local classical station reference that quite often that tune X is known from Y cartoon.

I remember going to see Rossini’s The Thieving Magpie at the Frankfurt Opera and when they started into the overture, I could not get the image of Bugs Bunny tiptoeing through the garden to it…

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:44:47pm

re: #307 HappyWarrior

Incredibly out of touch even for him.

I think he’s actually losing it. Which a such a ridiculously low bar, I know.

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wrenchwench  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:45:37pm

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

and it’s an anthill.

a fireanthill if there is any karma…

re: #304 Myron Falwell

more like an underground wasp’s nest

Are you just trying to get me back for posting bugs? Or suggesting fire ants in the particle accelerator the other day?

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:46:11pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:47:40pm

re: #226 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Trump picks Red Square as alternate location for SOTU address

that was in a recent Steven Colbert Monologue

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teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:49:13pm

This. Fucking. Guy.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:49:14pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

Wait- I thought the Illegitimate Kenyan Usurper was America’s first fascist?

Infantile Idiots.

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wrenchwench  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:49:14pm

re: #313 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that was in a recent Steven Colbert Monologue

(He’s not really a Shiplord. He’s a comedy writer.)

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:49:20pm

re: #306 jaunte

It’s like you people haven’t even watched Sicario 2: Electric Boogaloo.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:50:26pm

re: #314 teleskiguy

They don’t come through a port of entry… they make a left turn, they’re in the US

We’ve got to capture them to extract the secret of teleportation.

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fern01  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:50:40pm

re: #314 teleskiguy

This. Fucking. Guy.

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trump interpreting what someone else is saying? He can’t even interpret his own words.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:50:57pm

re: #315 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Wait- I thought the Illegitimate Kenyan Usurper was America’s first fascist?

Infantile Idiots.

Levin hasn’t had an original thought in his life.

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teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:51:07pm
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darthstar  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:51:17pm

They know…they always know…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:52:03pm

Orange asshole is getting ready to triple down:

Washington (CNN)The White House is preparing a draft proclamation for President Donald Trump to declare a national emergency along the southern border and has identified more than $7 billion in potential funds for his signature border wall should he go that route, according to internal documents reviewed by CNN.

Trump has not ruled out using his authority to declare a national emergency and direct the Defense Department to construct a border wall as Congress and the White House fight over a deal to end the government shutdown. But while Trump’s advisers remain divided on the issue, the White House has been moving forward with alternative plans that would bypass Congress.

“The massive amount of aliens who unlawfully enter the United States each day is a direct threat to the safety and security of our nation and constitutes a national emergency,” a draft of a presidential proclamation reads.

“Now, therefore, I, Donald J. Trump, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C 1601, et seq.), hereby declare that a national emergency exists at the southern border of the United States,” the draft adds.

The draft was updated as recently as last week, a US government official told CNN.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:54:34pm

re: #304 Myron Falwell

more like an underground wasp’s nest

it can be both

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:54:36pm

re: #323 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s not like anyone else hasn’t been doing all the prep work to stop this insane piece of shit. Trump’s utter indecision and inactivity over making such a declaration made THAT possible.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:55:25pm

re: #323 Eclectic Cyborg

“The massive amount of aliens who unlawfully enter the United States each day

“massive” amount of “aliens”……

Just massive, these aliens.

/

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:55:36pm
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Skip Intro  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:56:34pm

Damn near everything Trump does is illegal. When is it going to matter?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:56:36pm

re: #325 Myron Falwell

It’s not like anyone else hasn’t been doing all the prep work to stop this insane piece of shit. Trump’s utter indecision and inactivity over making such a declaration made THAT possible.

“Fine. See you in court.”

/

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Amory Blaine  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:56:50pm

re: #226 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

To be fair that was his first choice, but Vlad said it was too soon.

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wrenchwench  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:58:16pm

Does Trump think Venezuela is on the US southern border? Does he think the 10% of their population who have left all came here?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:58:26pm

re: #327 jaunte

Jesus, this is gonna blow up in his face before it even gets to court.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 24, 2019 • 2:58:27pm

re: #323 Eclectic Cyborg

Let’s be fair, though. Remember when Obummer issued the executive order that took everyone’s guns and Jade Helm? That was real tyranny.

///

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:00:09pm

re: #326 Sir John Barron

“massive” amount of “aliens”……

Just massive, these aliens.

/

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:00:43pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:01:15pm

re: #327 jaunte

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From there:

but the cry of “wolf” when there is no wolf erodes the credibility of the crier

Most of us learned that shortly after learning to read. Trump’s not there yet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:01:36pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:02:46pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:03:03pm

re: #237 steve_davis

Presumably nouns in Russian, like German, are capitalized?

But no.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:03:20pm

Thread:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:04:06pm

re: #338 Charles Johnson

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any day now his eyebrows will be incorporated into his swoofy bangs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:05:14pm

“swoofy bangs”

read/translate that into whatever image you so choose…

good band name, tho

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Old Liberal  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:05:17pm

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

any day now his eyebrows will be incorporated into his swoofy bangs.

Is the White House stylist working without pay?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:06:00pm

re: #343 Old Liberal

Is the White House stylist working without pay?

according to the moron, he does his own hair.

it’s kinda obvious, innit?

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:06:14pm

All hell is going to break loose tomorrow when folks aren’t paid.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:06:17pm

re: #343 Old Liberal

Is the White House stylist working without pay?

No but the WH rodent hunter is furloughed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:07:03pm

Trump Capitalizes words he thinks are Important in his Tweets

Some would point out that this was not uncommon in Old English and praise him for his Command of English Historical Grammar

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:07:17pm

re: #345 Joe Bacon ??

All hell is going to break loose tomorrow when folks aren’t paid.

from what I’m seeing online (not just on twitter), people are taking to the streets tomorrow.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:07:17pm

More Wilbur Ross shit breaking out in Davos.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:08:10pm

re: #327 jaunte

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Why do we think tRump expects the military to expropriate American land? Why wouldn’t he think that once he declares an emergency and calls out the Military, that they can just cross the border and build the wall on Mexican territory?

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:11:03pm

Can anyone think of a reason why the thing in the WH could get re-elected at this point? I think the electorial edge has been stripped away.

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:11:05pm

re: #286 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Unlike the 300, this is not a noble defeat. This is more like Little Bighorn.

um… the side that lost Little Bighorn… their replacements came back strong. And the people who won Little Bighorn, that was their last hurrah. They got royally fucked fairly soon after.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:11:08pm

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump Capitalizes words he thinks are Important in his Tweets

Some would point out that this was not uncommon in Old English and praise him for his Command of English Historical Grammar

‘Cause you can’t italicize anything in tweets. Why the bejesus fuck can’t you use HTML tags at least?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:11:33pm

re: #351 Dave In Austin

Can anyone think of a reason why the thing in the WH could get re-elected at this point? I think the electorial edge has been stripped away.

Russia.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:13:33pm

re: #354 Eclectic Cyborg

Russia.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:15:46pm

re: #350 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Why do we think tRump expects the military to expropriate American land? Why wouldn’t he think that once he declares an emergency and calls out the Military, that they can just cross the border and build the wall on Mexican territory?

then they would have to pay for it!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:16:04pm

re: #354 Eclectic Cyborg

Russia.

I hear ya but I really think we’re ready this time. Trump won’t be the person that becomes the fourth consecutive two termer. That said the left needs to unite behind its nominee.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:16:24pm

re: #355 Joe Bacon ??

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.

Sigh I remember 2004 too well man.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:16:43pm

re: #357 HappyWarrior

I hear ya but I really think we’re ready this time. Trump won’t be the person that becomes the fourth consecutive two termer. That said the left needs to unite behind its nominee.

And hope they don’t get shafted by the Greens again.

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:18:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:18:39pm

re: #359 Eclectic Cyborg

And hope they don’t get shafted by the Greens again.

In my experience the Greens do their best when Republicans have been out of the WH for awhile I.e. 2000 and 2016. Nader didn’t cause Kerry to lose in 2004 and Stein didn’t Obama in 2012. What we need to do is build a strong left so amnesia not set in 2024 or 2028.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:19:06pm

re: #351 Dave In Austin

Can anyone think of a reason why the thing in the WH could get re-elected at this point? I think the electorial edge has been stripped away.

Hell, the whole party is spiraling down with him. 2020 is going to make the 2018 midterms look like a trip to Disney World.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:19:35pm

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Sigh I remember 2004 too well man.

I’ve said many times, if the election fraud in Ohio hadn’t denied Kerry his Electoral victory from 3,000,000 votes behind in the popular vote, A: That would not have stood, and 2: The Electoral College would be gone by now.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:19:58pm

re: #360 jaunte

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Look at what people did to escape East Germany but seeing as Donnie’s handler is an old GDR case agent…

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:20:24pm

Trump: The American Maduro

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:20:46pm

re: #363 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’ve said many times, if the election fraud in Ohio hadn’t denied Kerry his Electoral victory from 3,000,000 votes behind in the popular vote, A: That would not have stood, and 2: The Electoral College would be gone by now.

Kerry. Kerry would have been a good President.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:21:15pm

re: #362 Myron Falwell

Hell, the whole party is spiraling down with him. 2020 is going to make the 2018 midterms look like a trip to Disney World.

One would think. We’re going to have to adapt to Russia, they’re always going to be there.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:21:34pm

re: #362 Myron Falwell

Hell, the whole party is spiraling down with him. 2020 is going to make the 2018 midterms look like a trip to Disney World.

To me, I’m tbh optimistic about 2020. I’m worried about amnesia later.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:21:39pm

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Sigh I remember 2004 too well man.

W. was bad but this is catastrophic bad. There’s no means of comparison for this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:21:48pm

re: #362 Myron Falwell

Hell, the whole party is spiraling down with him. 2020 is going to make the 2018 midterms look like a trip to Disney World.

Overconfidence is not good. Remember, Hillary was projected to win “in a landslide” only two and a half weeks before the vote in 2016.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:22:32pm

re: #367 Dave In Austin

One would think. We’re going to have to adapt to Russia, they’re always going to be there.

I’m all in favor of hitting Vlad where it hurts when a non asset of his gets the presidency back.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:23:22pm

re: #370 Eclectic Cyborg

Overconfidence is not good. Remember, Hillary was projected to win “in a landslide” only two and a half weeks before the vote in 2016.

You are right but Trump actually has to run on his record this time. Trump is someone imo who will be weaker as an incumbent than challenger.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:23:52pm

re: #369 Myron Falwell

W. was bad but this is catastrophic bad. There’s no means of comparison for this.

I know. I thought W was peak awful.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:24:13pm

re: #370 Eclectic Cyborg

Overconfidence is not good. Remember, Hillary was projected to win “in a landslide” only two and a half weeks before the vote in 2016.

I dunno. I may be guilty of tying to assess a situation by normal means where one person is going clinically insane.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:24:38pm

re: #370 Eclectic Cyborg

Overconfidence is not good. Remember, Hillary was projected to win “in a landslide” only two and a half weeks before the vote in 2016.

Two million votes is a landslide in most elections, but not in the US Electoral College system

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Skip Intro  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:28:03pm

re: #351 Dave In Austin

Can anyone think of a reason why the thing in the WH could get re-elected at this point? I think the electorial edge has been stripped away.

1) Russians
2) Election fraud
3) A media that has learned nothing other than Trump brings ratings
4) The magical balance fairy that has to blame both sides equally.
5) Fox “news” and hate radio.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:29:20pm

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Two million votes is a landslide in most elections, but not in the US Electoral College system

As I said above. I think that landscape has changed. He’s hurt to many of us….

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jaunte  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:29:45pm

I can’t think of any reason why a Coast Guard member would ever vote R again.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:30:03pm

Fat squirrel break.

Fat MD squirrel
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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:31:09pm

re: #378 jaunte

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I can’t think of any reason why a Coast Guard member would ever vote R again.

My moms cousin was telling me that one of her nephews is furloughed because of the shutdown. Can’t imsg he’s too happy but you can’t underestimate how Republicans exploit prejudices.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:31:17pm

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Two million votes is a landslide in most elections, but not in the US Electoral College system

You piss off the wrong states, and it’s gonna cost you. He got lucky with Pennsylvania, Michigan and even Wisconsin. Arizona has an SOS with reform on her mind, Nevada’s a swing state too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:31:59pm

re: #378 jaunte

“If Coast Guard members are killed during shutdown, their families won’t get benefits.”

That is utterly appalling.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:32:00pm

I for one thought Trump’s treatment of McCain and the Khans would infuriate even the most red conservative of vets. I was wrong.

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KerFuFFler  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:32:08pm

re: #178 Unshaken Defiance

Call me crazy but first on my policy change list is actually prosecute employers of those not entitled to work. When they scream tight labor, open up the quotas to where we get the labor we need, and deal with all fairly. Due process etc etc. California knows how to do this, when seasonal workers have confidence of access they don’t try to settle near the work, at least not illegally.

I agree that if anyone were serious about stopping undocumented people from “stealing” jobs from ‘muricans, then rather than stopping people from crossing the border, you should go after the employers. But Trump does not want to perp-walk white guys——-that would be the wrong photo op for appealing to his base. If you want photo ops of brown people being punished you focus on things like ICE and walls.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:32:15pm

re: #382 Eclectic Cyborg

“If Coast Guard members are killed during shutdown, their families won’t get benefits.”

That is utterly appalling.

Words fail.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:32:21pm

re: #379 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Fat squirrel break.

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On that note, we had owl sign in the cedar breaks last evening. Love is in the air. This is year 3 for these guys.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:32:39pm

re: #381 Myron Falwell

You piss off the wrong states, and it’s gonna cost you. He got lucky with Pennsylvania, Michigan and even Wisconsin. Arizona has an SOS with reform on her mind, Nevada’s a swing state too.

We won Nevada. But yes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:35:34pm

re: #307 HappyWarrior

Incredibly out of touch even for him.

“They work along… the banks, the people that collect the mortgages, they work along…”

Ask Steve Mnuchin how that works (he foreclosed on thousands)

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teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:35:42pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:37:06pm

re: #383 HappyWarrior

I for one thought Trump’s treatment of McCain and the Khans would infuriate even the most red conservative of vets. I was wrong.

To put their veteran-ness ahead of (or equal to) their conservatism would be playing identity politics. They would be chastised by fellow conservatives.

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KerFuFFler  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:38:29pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

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Wow, I know most Americans don’t like graphs, but that one should be shown on all the news shows. It is simple to read and really puts the hypocrisy surrounding the shutdown into perspective.

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:42:05pm

re: #389 teleskiguy

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:44:41pm

re: #389 teleskiguy

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I am all for telling the people of the US that the republicans want Trump to hold his SOTU during the Super Bowl halftime instead of a musical act.

Everyone should know that the republicans want this to happen, I plan on telling everyone down at the hipster coffee shop.

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:45:45pm

re: #392 Joe Bacon ??

Does this little dweeb really think CBS would give Trump air time during halftime?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:47:29pm

Go ahead Don. Declare a national emergency over this. Then when you’re replaced with a Democrat, they’ll declare a real national emergency over guns and healthcare. You’re setting the precedent.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:48:51pm

re: #394 KGxvi

Does this little dweeb really think CBS would give Trump air time during halftime?

I think so. He seems to actually believe Russia is a force for good.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:49:54pm

re: #394 KGxvi

Does this little dweeb really think CBS would give Trump air time during halftime?

And I thought the GOP hated the NFL?

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:50:12pm

re: #394 KGxvi

Does this little dweeb really think CBS would give Trump air time during halftime?

Yes. He is that dumb.

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Jay C  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:52:36pm

re: #396 HappyWarrior

I think so. He seems to actually believe Russia is a force for good.

Who? Wohl or Trump?

I’m sure the latter believes that: for him, Russia has basically been a “force for good” - where “good” is defined as shoveling money at Trump businesses…

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:53:24pm

Here comes the “shut up and wrestle” comments from triggered Right Wingers.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:54:20pm

re: #398 Joe Bacon ??

Yes. He is that dumb.

He’s incredibly dumb and that’s rere: #399 Jay C

Who? Wohl or Trump?

I’m sure the latter believes that: for him, Russia has basically been a “force for good” - where “good” is defined as shoveling money at Trump businesses…

Wohl.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:54:55pm

re: #360 jaunte

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:55:14pm

re: #397 bd(it’s all true)

And I thought the GOP hated the NFL?

Says who? /

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danarchy  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:55:23pm

re: #395 GlutenFreeJesus

Go ahead Don. Declare a national emergency over this. Then when you’re replaced with a Democrat, they’ll declare a real national emergency over guns and healthcare. You’re setting the precedent.

No thank you. I would prefer instead of doubling down and perpetuating authoritarianism, that a future Dem president would sign legislation to help prevent that sort of executive abuse by any future wanna be dictator.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:56:19pm

re: #400 DodgerFan1988

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Here comes the “shut up and wrestle” comments from triggered Right Wingers.

Well, he’s retired now and can’t wrestle, so…

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:56:21pm

re: #398 Joe Bacon ??

Yes. He is that dumb.

I know he’s dumb, after the whole “Kamala Harris isn’t a natural born citizen” thing the other day but this level of stupidity is on the “help so he doesn’t drown in the rain” level.

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gocart mozart  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:56:50pm
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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:58:01pm

re: #404 danarchy

No thank you. I would prefer instead of doubling down and perpetuating authoritarianism, that a future Dem president would sign legislation to help prevent that sort of executive abuse by any future wanna be dictator.

The real check on that sort of move is impeachment and removal. But the Senate GOP is too scared to actually do that, even if/when the Supreme Court blocks the move and reaffirms Youngstown Steel.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2019 • 3:59:59pm

re: #394 KGxvi

Does this little dweeb really think CBS would give Trump air time during halftime?

Who’s performing at halftime? Is it Cardi B?

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Varek Raith  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:01:32pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:01:43pm

re: #409 The Vicious Babushka

Who’s performing at halftime? Is it Cardi B?

Maroon 5. Which is appropriate as Trump and the GOP are marooned in a five alarm disaster of their own making.

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wrenchwench  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:02:56pm

re: #407 gocart mozart

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If only you could use the Simpsons to appeal to the youth like in the old days. Back then, ‘youth’ was my youngest brother, 10 years younger than me. He’s still ten years younger, but he’s turning 51 this year. No longer youth.

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teleskiguy  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:03:36pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:04:04pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

I like Trumpists.

MAGAts works for me.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:04:40pm

re: #413 teleskiguy

Yup. Wednesday’s forecast here shows -11 degrees F for a high and -27 degrees F for a low. Anyone want to come visit?

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:05:09pm

So, did AOC learn from Mick Foley or did Mick Foley learn from AOC?

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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:11:07pm

re: #406 KGxvi

I know he’s dumb, after the whole “Kamala Harris isn’t a natural born citizen” thing the other day but this level of stupidity is on the “help so he doesn’t drown in the rain” level.

I wonder who is dumber—Jacob, Gun Girl, SMOTI, Benjyboy or Charlie Jerk?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:11:15pm

re: #411 Myron Falwell

Maroon 5. Which is appropriate as Trump and the GOP are marooned in a five alarm disaster of their own making.

I always think “Wadda maroon!” from Bugs Bunny. But then I’m childish….

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:11:38pm

Lol

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KGxvi  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:11:53pm

This is going to go over like a wet fart in church:

“The massive amount of aliens who unlawfully enter the United States each day is a direct threat to the safety and security of our nation and constitutes a national emergency,” a draft of a presidential proclamation reads.

“Now, therefore, I, Donald J. Trump, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C 1601, et seq.), hereby declare that a national emergency exists at the southern border of the United States,” the draft adds.

The moment it is signed, there’s going to be law suits filed (I’m guessing complaints are already written). And it could very well be tied up in litigation until January 2021. But it really should be grounds for impeachment (so, you know, add it to that list)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:12:44pm

re: #419 Myron Falwell

Lol

Sucks to be him. Hey Mike, I bet you feel right at home, don’t you? Isn’t this how things were going in Indiana up until Trump’s cronies stuck you to his ass?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:13:28pm

re: #395 GlutenFreeJesus

Go ahead Don. Declare a national emergency over this. Then when you’re replaced with a Democrat, they’ll declare a real national emergency over guns and healthcare. You’re setting the precedent.

this is privately scaring the shit out of the R’s

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:14:32pm

re: #417 Joe Bacon ??

I wonder who is dumber—Jacob, Gun Girl, SMOTI, Benjyboy or Charlie Jerk?

Tough to say.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:14:37pm

re: #417 Joe Bacon ??

I wonder who is dumber—Jacob, Gun Girl, SMOTI, Benjyboy or Charlie Jerk?

All of them, Katie!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:15:33pm

re: #417 Joe Bacon ??

I wonder who is dumber—Jacob, Gun Girl, SMOTI, Benjyboy or Charlie Jerk?

I’m not sure their combined brain power could activate a 75 watt lightbulb

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:15:54pm

re: #415 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yup. Wednesday’s forecast here shows -11 degrees F for a high and -27 degrees F for a low. Anyone want to come visit?

People here ask me why I don’t go back to the States for winter holiday. This here is why. Most of my family is inside that cold air mass.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:17:15pm

re: #384 KerFuFFler

I agree that if anyone were serious about stopping undocumented people from “stealing” jobs from ‘muricans, then rather than stopping people from crossing the border, you should go after the employers. But Trump does not want to perp-walk white guys——-that would be the wrong photo op for appealing to his base. If you want photo ops of brown people being punished you focus on things like ICE and walls.

he’s have to perpwalk himself, what with the housekeepers at his golf resorts just for starters

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:17:24pm

re: #426 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

People here ask me why I don’t go back to the States for winter holiday. This here is why. Most of my family is inside that cold air mass.

And that’s ambient air temperature. Wind chills will be in the realm of -40 (degrees F and degrees C) or below.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:19:04pm

re: #419 Myron Falwell

Lol

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My new prediction: The shutdown collapses and tRump gets to make his SOTU address. Since his dementia is obviously getting worse by the day, he completely blows a gasket and starts gibbering like a monkey in front of both Houses of Congress on every network.

Of course the MAGAts will say he’s speaking in tongues, and that proves he’s the Second Coming, or some shit….

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Varek Raith  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:19:59pm
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Joe Bacon ??  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:20:17pm

re: #425 Myron Falwell

I’m not sure their combined brain power could activate a 75 watt lightbulb

.75 watt might be more accurate ??

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 4:23:03pm

re: #429 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My new prediction: The shutdown collapses and tRump gets to make his SOTU address. Since his dementia is obviously getting worse by the day, he completely blows a gasket and starts gibbering like a monkey in front of both Houses of Congress on every network.

Of course the MAGAts will say he’s speaking in tongues, and that proves he’s the Second Coming, or some shit….

Can’t wait to see the Dingbat David Brody tweet proclaiming ”he’s playing fifth-dimensional chess with the English language!!!”

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dell*nix  Jan 25, 2019 • 12:55:28am

re: #59 ObserverArt

One damn good speech.


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